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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    ...found this:

    Quote How Satellites Give Clues About Malaysia Jet Attack in Ukraine

    A family of satellites known as the U.S. Space Based Infrared System, or SBIRS, was probably key to determining that a surface-to-air missile took down the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 jet over Ukraine on Thursday. The satellites fly in geosynchronous orbit, 22,300 miles above the planet, and use infrared sensors to detect heat sources on the ground, such as rocket or missile plumes. Five are operational at all times, and they're supplemented by infrared sensors on other satellites that are part of the Defense Support Program, or DSP.

    Since the 1970s, the principal mission of the DSP family has been to detect launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles and sea-launched ballistic missiles via their plumes. During the Vietnam War, defense officials found that the satellites could also detect the signatures of smaller missile launches, midair explosions and nuclear tests. SBIRS readings are downloaded and initially analyzed at Buckley Air National Guard Base in Aurora, Colorado. Last month, Lockheed Martin won a $1.9 billion contract to expand the satellite system.
    See the vid entitled: Authorities Will Look for Radar Data, Inferred Info in Malaysia Crash at the link:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukr...kraine-n158741

    This too, talks about the sats that could reveal info on who did it and from where:

    Quote What Brought Down the Malaysia Airlines Jet Over Ukraine?
    By Robert Windrem, Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukr...kraine-n158601
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    it is also the aniversary of this planes first flight 17 years ago on 17/7 just sayin'

    Added: Heard on BBC news
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by cursichella1 (here)
    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    I hear with my own ears, anderson cooper refer to the anniversary of flight 800 which was also "shot down by a missle".
    Happened at 3 40 pm on cnn. Has anyone else heard this?
    It is true. Are we surprised? http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...sary/12784535/

    Quote Malaysia crash shares anniversary with TWA Flight 800 USA TODAY - 2 hours ago Oddly, today's crash of a Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shares a date with another major airline disaster, the crash of TWA Flight 800 over Long ...
    More numerology. TWA flight 800 crashed in 1996 so 1+9+9+6=25 2+5=7. 2014. 2+0+1+4=7.

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    More news on the various nationalities of the poor people on the flight:

    Quote Malaysia Airlines official: 154 Dutch passengers on board jet that crashed in Ukraine; 27 Australians, 23 Malaysians, 11 Indonesians, 6 Britons, 4 Germans, 3 from Belgians, 3 Filipinos, 1 Canadian also on board; 53 unaccounted for -
    http://www.breakingnews.com/

    My heart truely crys out for the loss of these innocent people and for their loved ones who will miss them....
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by Operator (here)
    Quote Posted by Christine (here)
    Putting pieces on the table here... Today I was studying these numbers. 223, 16, and 777. And then I remembered this speech from Christine LeGarde of the IMF.


    ...
    Well her 'magical 7' indeed immediately came to mind ...

    If it was shot down there should be evidence of launched missiles. However, keep in mind
    that this plane left from Schiphol, Amsterdam ... the same airport where they brought on
    board, under mysterious circumstances, the 'underwear bomber'.
    hmmm a 777 downed on 7/17 pretty close to their target date of 7/20
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    Quote Posted by indigopete (here)
    I can't believe this.

    For weeks the main conspiracy surrounding MH370 was that it had been "commandeered" for use in a later terror attack.

    And here we are - an identical MA 777 has turned up in an apparent terror attack.

    At face value it looks to me like they're trying to set this up and pin it on the Russians - possibly as the start of a western sponsored strategy to mitigate the impact of the BRICS financial axis getting out of the petrodollar.

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by avid (here)
    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Any body noticed that Gaza disappeared off the map?
    You mean 'off the radar' or literally off the map?
    I know that Gaza news has been marginalised due to 'other things' - especially by the BBC!
    ... seems like in a few days there won't be much left of it:

    Israeli military starts ground operation in Gaza

    Published time: July 17, 2014 19:44
    Edited time: July 17, 2014 21:06
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    AFP Photo / Thomas Coex

    Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered the military to start a ground operation in Gaza, his office has announced.

    "The prime minister and defence minister have instructed the IDF to begin a ground operation tonight in order to hit the terror tunnels from Gaza into Israel," the statement said.

    FOLLOW UPDATES on Israel's military offensive in Gaza

    A large IDF force has launched a new phase of Operation Protective Edge starting a ground operation in the Gaza Strip, IDF spokesperson has confirmed.
    BREAKING NEWS: A large IDF force has just launched a ground operation in the Gaza Strip. A new phase of Operation Protective Edge has begun.
    — IDF (@IDFSpokesperson) July 17, 2014
    According to the statement, IDF goal is to target Hamas tunnels “enable terrorists to infiltrate Israel and carry out attacks.”

    "We are now continuing with the ground forces to strike terrorist infrastructure, Hamas infrastructure, in multiple areas throughout the Gaza Strip," army spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Peter Lerner told reporters.

    "Following 10 days of Hamas attacks by land, air and sea, and after repeated rejections of offers to deescalate the situation, the Israel Defence Forces (army) has initiated a ground operation within the Gaza Strip," the IDF said in a statement, according to AFP.

    The IDF also accused Hamas of using civilian deaths to paint Israel’s actions in a negative light.

    "In the face of Hamas' tactics to leverage civilian casualties in pursuit of its terrorist goals, the IDF will continue in its unprecedented efforts to limit civilian harm," it said.

    Hamas spokesman meanwhile said Israel's move is "foolish" and will have "dreadful consequences."

    Witnesses and Gaza residents reported heavy artillery and naval shelling along the Gaza border.

    WATCH LIVE feed of Gaza skyline


    Israel launched Operation Protective Edge on July 8 following an escalation between Israel and Hamas. Around 230 Palestinians and one Israeli have been killed during the operation so far.

    Israel’s latest ground operation comes after attempts to broker a cease-fire with Hamas failed to take hold. The last 10 days have seen both sides exchange rocket fire, resulting in the deaths of more than 220 Palestinians and one Israeli, with some attacks coming under intense scrutiny. Recently, four Palestinian children were killed by an Israeli airstrike while they were playing on a beach in Gaza.

    Although both Israel and Hamas agreed to observe a brief suspension of hostilities following a request by the United Nations, reports indicated on Wednesday that Israel was considering sending boots on the ground in order to remove rockets and other weapons used by Hamas.

    "The IDF's objective as defined by the Israeli government is to establish a reality in which Israeli residents can live in safety and security without continued indiscriminate terror, while striking a significant blow to Hamas's terror infrastructure,” the army said in its statement.

    The last time Israel launched an extensive ground offensive in Gaza was back in January 2009, following an armed conflict that began the month prior in December. That offensive, known as Operation Cast Lead, began on January 3 and was tasked with a similar objective: to secure areas from which militants were launching rockets. The entire conflict – which ran from December 27, 2008 to January 18, 2009 –resulted in the deaths of up to 1,417 Palestinians and 13 Israelis.


    An Israeli missile hits Palestinian buildings in Gaza City on July 17, 2014.(AFP Photo / Thomas Coex )

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    Quote Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
    price of gold has shot up.

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    Watching Sky and BBC - already suggesting this is the fault of Russia.
    All planes around that area rerouted.
    That could be it... a lot of people don't realize these "terror attacks" are nothing more then a strategy for the US to hide the fact that their economy is ratcheting down... Now what if the price of gold went up ONLY in response to the the BRICS announcement, that would be too easy... Someone had said it would go up, and then spike again... Now if this was just because of the bad news, technically it should come back down again, I am guessing it will NOT...
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    Quote Posted by MorningSong (here)
    Here's what Huffington Post is saying so far:

    Quote Malaysia Airlines Plane Crash: Flight Shot Down Over Ukraine (LATEST UPDATES)
    The Huffington Post | By Eline Gordts
    Posted: 07/17/2014 11:40 am EDT Updated: 43 minutes ago

    Interfax news agency reports that a Malaysian jet has crashed in eastern Ukraine, near the Russian border. The Malaysian Airlines passenger plane had 295 people on board and was on its way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

    Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's Interior Minister, wrote on Facebook that the plane was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher over the country's east, the Associated Press reports.

    Malaysia Airlines confirmed it had lost contact with flight MH17 and that its last position was over Ukrainian airspace.

    A Russian aviation industry source told Reuters that the plane did not enter Russian airspace when expected.

    Ukraine's east has seen heavy fighting between the country's military and separatists in recent days. Earlier on Thursday, the Ukrainian military claimed Russian jets had shot down a Ukrainian warplane late Wednesday night.

    More from the Associated Press:

    KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — A Ukrainian official said a passenger plane carrying 295 people was shot down Thursday over a town in the east of the country, and Malaysian Airlines tweeted that it lost contact with one of its flights over Ukrainian airspace.

    Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet) when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher. A similar launcher was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday. The Buk missile system can fire missiles up to an altitude of 22,000 meters (72,000 feet).

    Malaysia Airlines said on its Twitter feed that it "has lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow."

    The region has seen severe fighting between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russia separatist rebels in recent days.

    On Wednesday evening, a Ukrainian fighter jet was shot down by an air-to-air missile from a Russian plane, Ukrainian authorities said Thursday, adding to what Kiev says is mounting evidence that Moscow is directly supporting the separatist insurgents in eastern Ukraine. Security Council spokesman Andrei Lysenko said the pilot of the Sukhoi-25 jet hit by the air-to-air missile was forced to bail after his jet was shot down.

    Pro-Russia rebels, meanwhile, claimed responsibility for strikes Wednesday on two Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 jets. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry said the second jet was hit by a portable surface-to-air missile, but added the pilot was unscathed and managed to land his plane safely

    Moscow denies Western charges that is supporting the separatists or sowing unrest in its neighbor. The Russian Defense Ministry couldn't be reached for comment Thursday about the Ukrainian jet and Russia's foreign ministry didn't respond to multiple requests for comment.

    Earlier this week, Ukraine said a military transport plane was shot down Monday by a missile fired from Russian territory.

    The rebels are known to possess portable anti-aircraft rocket launchers, but Ukrainian officials say that kind of weapon would have been unable to reach Monday's plane at the altitude at which it was flying Monday. Aviation experts, however, have questioned whether the stricken transport plane was flying at the altitude Ukrainian officials had claimed.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5595516.html

    So.. Russia was expecting the plane to enter its air space... but the plane entered Ukraine air space instead... which was closed to civilain (does that include international commercial) air traffic on the 8th according to Amzer Zo's post.... (shaking head back and forth...).. ... could this plane have been highjacked?

    Yet.. I'm seeing that AirFrance, Russian Airliner Transaero, German airline Lufthansa and Turkish Airlines have announced that they will avoid Ukraine air space now.

    RE: Reuters breaking news feed: http://live.reuters.com/Event/World_News

    Here is another map of the plane's planned flight path... not passing over Russian air space at all.... huh?


    lets say they can control everything from a remote location, they cut off the air supply or do something that knocks out the pilots, based on your map, at the point of "communication shut down" they could fly it in a straight line over the Ukraine.
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Numerology and Christine Lagarde's prediction have already been mentioned I see..
    MH17 = letter 18 of alphabet + letter 8 of alphabet + 1 +7 = 18817 = 34 = 7
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    heres a spin that has been pointed out already on here. We don't know what we don't know as daboo points out his insight about no plume coming from the plane after being reportedly hit by a missile ...watch the vid see what you think????

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Passenger planes are now, more than ever, a cheaper alternative for many companies than going the cargo plane route. And for some airlines, they may be more willing than established cargo plane companies to bend the rules wrt any number of things having to do with whatever cargo they agree to transport.

    Malaysia Airlines, as we well know, is a company that is lax in its security policies which undoubtedly most likely also extends to whatever cargo they carry too. I don't think it's a coincidence that another major incident involving this airliner occurred again and that maybe those who shot down that plane did so to prevent the cargo on that plane from reaching its final destination; just like what may have had something to do with the disappearance of Flight 370.

    But listen to this, there are at least 65 major airlines out there that travel world-wide.... not to mention all of those smaller airlines that are out there too. No way am I going to believe that it was only a coincidence that yet another Malaysia Airliner went down again in a matter of only a few months since the last one.... especially when one considers how many other airliners there are out there that fly all over Europe and Asia.

    Another interesting fact. The majority of the passengers on Flight 370 were Chinese or Malaysian. And even though there was a very small handful of people that you could count on a few fingers who were from other countries on that flight, included in that count were 2 Ukrainians and one Russian. I find that very interesting especially now that a second Malaysia Airliner went down and that it went down over... you guessed it, Ukraine. Do we have another coincidence here? Maybe not.
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    Quote Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
    http://lifenews.ru/watch-live LIVE NEWS FEED - VERY GRAPHIC!!!!!!! Bodies everywhere.
    And a 'rituals' bag that did not burn?
    Also there have been found passports: https://twitter.com/lifenews_ru/stat...993793/photo/1

    Strange world!
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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Here's some more fodder for you numerology people since you'll soon discover it anyway.

    The airframe construction (serial) number: 28411

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post854507

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
    http://lifenews.ru/watch-live LIVE NEWS FEED - VERY GRAPHIC!!!!!!! Bodies everywhere.
    They're saying there was either one or several disabled people on the plane with accompanying medical equipment , many children , women among all .
    Then also pointing to news in some internet newspaper where it's claimed that missiles of such long range capability are in the rebels possession ( contrary to some of the previous statements ) ..and , it was reportedly calculated that the missile was fired from the Donetsk area .

    Disgusting . And very dangerous to everybody around . I still find hard to believe them .


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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Has anybody seen the Jim Stone site? There is a screen shot showing a flight display with MH17 was cancelled, he then surmises that flight MH 370 plane was used and remotely controlled into the area where it was shot down.

    Also mentions that it was extremely quick that those responsible were found and what missile was used, and I will guess that it is probably true that photos were quick to emerge, also mentioned was a comparison to flight 93 from 9/11 comparing amounts of wreckage - bloody interesting i will admit

    I awoke to this news and my firsts thought were false flag and expect MSM lies, very sad that I felt this way and very sad to the see the MSM juggernaut run with this in their rabid dog fashion.

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

    Quote Posted by Craig (here)
    Has anybody seen the Jim Stone site? There is a screen shot showing a flight display with MH17 was cancelled
    It was cancelled from Flightradar 24's tracking list that's all.

    If the flight itself was actually "cancelled" or never existed, presumably the staff at Schiphol, Malaysian Airlines, the catering services, the refuelling services, the ground handling people and the air traffic control people would have something to say about it.

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

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    Has anybody seen the Jim Stone site? There is a screen shot showing a flight display with MH17 was cancelled, he then surmises that flight MH 370 plane was used and remotely controlled into the area where it was shot down.

    Also mentions that it was extremely quick that those responsible were found and what missile was used, and I will guess that it is probably true that photos were quick to emerge, also mentioned was a comparison to flight 93 from 9/11 comparing amounts of wreckage - bloody interesting i will admit

    I awoke to this news and my firsts thought were false flag and expect MSM lies, very sad that I felt this way and very sad to the see the MSM juggernaut run with this in their rabid dog fashion.
    Yes... are we seeing MH370 here? Was it substituted in -- to 'replace' flight MH17... a way to destroy the evidence and kill all the people on board?!

    Was this some kind of a setup to appear like a missile hit?!
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    Now the missing Malaysian Jet liner has been found , oops it was shot down ... all the terror of the last 14 years has been triggered from the sky/planes ... someone wants to control all of the sky of Earth ... one side shoots it down , blames the other , they really want their WW3 don't they ??? A moving target going 400mph at 33,000 feet , only a super power nation has that capability ... America, Russia , China ... The media was quick on this one , hmmm, they had their special contributors already in studio , hmmmmmm, been covering it all day , Hmmmm , it's always a sham when they do that , while the real story is in the background and away from the curious minds of the public that don't ever buy the official story ... get your clothespin on your nose , I smell a SKUNK , the whole thing stinks ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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    Default Re: Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

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    Yes... are we seeing MH370 here? Was it substituted in -- to 'replace' flight MH17... a way to destroy the evidence and kill all the people on board?!

    Was this some kind of a setup to appear like a missile hit?!
    Me too I'm having sort of 'deja vu' but don't think this is correct version . The passengers were different people ..

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