Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[Operator]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Many of these holes I've seen in the several photos posted in this thread almost look to me as if they are "bullet holes", such as 30 or 50 cal., but I am no expert.
...

Difficult to estimate its size but looks like a bullet hole to me, definitely bigger than 9 mm.
It looks like it came from a anti-clockwise rifled barrel.

This part must have been inside the plane ... if it was shot from outside then this is the
2nd or 3rd penetration.

[Hervé]

Message from an angry ghost?

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Anyone having any idea if this is a piece of a B-777 and if so, which part?

... KiwiElf?

http://vilaghelyzete.blogspot.fr/2014/07/lovedekek-utotte-nyomok-malaj.html

Looks more like a rusted car's engine hood to me... but... 'been known to be wrong...

Absolutely no idea - certainly not an external piece anyways

[Operator]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Message from an angry ghost?

This photo doesn't look and especially 'feel' real to me ...
How come the hairbrush is broken and the rest seems pretty much unscathed ?
Also why are there twigs over the debris ? The plastic blue part on the right doesn't seem all
that heavy but is not naturally 'buried' down those twigs. Weird ...

[Hervé]

Posted by Operator (here)
[...]

This photo doesn't look and especially 'feel' real to me ...
How come the hairbrush is broken and the rest seems pretty much unscathed ?
Also why are there twigs over the debris ? The plastic blue part on the right doesn't seem all that heavy but is not naturally 'buried' down those twigs. Weird ...

I can understand that...

The picture is a close-up from this scene taken 2014-07-20:

.. at the very top, just right of center.

See here for high resolution picture of the scene: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/jer...n/photostream/ and if you check it you'll see a bunch of money still there...
(might have to download the hi-rez to see it)

PS: I guess that quite a few people have been walking around that scene since the crash.

[Operator]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
...
See here for high resolution picture of the scene: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/jer...n/photostream/ and if you check it you'll see a bunch of money still there...
(might have to download the hi-rez to see it)
...

I did download the hires photo ... I was wondering what all that money was doing between
all that games stuff. It's not money but playing cards ...

P.S. Probably the reason why it still there ...

[Cidersomerset]

2 August 2014 Last updated at 15:34

Ukraine crisis: New fighting hampers MH17 crash .

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UjQ3GUydwr8

The BBC's Jonathan Beale joins investigators at the MH17 crash site


Fresh fighting in eastern Ukraine has forced an international forensics team to halt
operations in part of the vast crash site of Malaysian flight MH17.

Observers had to withdraw from one village when they heard artillery fire although
work is still continuing across much of the area.

MH17 went down on 17 July with the loss of all 298 passengers and crew.

The US and Ukraine say pro-Russian rebels probably shot down the jet with a
missile but rebels deny the claim.

Sniffer dogs

Alexander Hug, the deputy chief monitor with the Ukraine mission of the
Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), told Agence France-
Presse a visit to the village of Petropavlivka had been agreed with the rebels and
Ukrainian forces.

However, he said: "We heard at a distance of approximately two kilometres
incoming artillery from where we were and that was too close to continue."

However, the BBC's Jonathan Beale, at the crash scene, says there has been no
fighting at the main site and the experts have been able to do their work.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PYqjEXppqwI

The investigators released footage from their first full day of searching at the crash site



Bridge en route to crash site Pro-Russian rebels have blown bridges along the route
to the crash site, to slow any advance by Ukrainian forces



Ukrainian forces outside the eastern Ukrainian village of Nikishyne, Donetsk region,
1 Aug Neither Ukrainian forces nor rebels are in full control of the crash site


About 70 Dutch and Australian experts are scouring a site of some 20 sq km.

A spokesman for the Dutch team said it was still focusing on searching for human
remains, although security is also a key issue.

Neither the rebels nor Ukrainian forces are in full control of the site.

The Dutch team has flown in from the Netherlands two dogs trained to search for
human remains and another two specialist dogs are on their way from Belgium.

Our correspondent says the Australian team also has specialist equipment - a mini-
drone fitted with a camera - but it has not yet been given permission by the rebels
to fly it.

The US and Ukraine say pro-Russian rebels probably shot down the plane with a
missile supplied from Russia.

The rebels say it could have been brought down by a Ukrainian fighter jet.

Most of those who died were Dutch nationals.

More than 220 coffins have now been sent back to the Netherlands.

'Highly disciplined'

Separately, a senior adviser to the rebels confirmed that extrajudicial killings had
been carried out in eastern Ukraine "to prevent chaos".



Igor Druz Mr Druz said Ukraine's government was a "terrorist" organisation

Igor Druz told the BBC such "executions" sent an important signal to the rest of the rebel forces.

Mr Druz told the BBC: "On several occasions, in a state of emergency, we have
carried out executions by shooting to prevent chaos. As a result, our troops, the
ones who have pulled out of Sloviansk, are highly disciplined."

Sloviansk was a key rebel stronghold before it was recaptured last month by
Ukrainian government forces.


Analysis: Dina Newman, BBC News, Donetsk

Igor Druz is adviser to the rebels' military commander Igor Strelkov, and a senior
spokesman for the rebel-held territories of Donetsk region. He is in charge of the
ideology of the eastern Ukrainian rebel movement. In an interview with the BBC in
Donetsk he outlined his vision of the so-called 'state of Novorossia' they hope to
build here.

He says he is a strong supporter of Orthodox Christian morality and family values,
and opposed to homosexuality. He hopes to legalise death penalty for the most
serious crimes and he is sure that most rebels will support him in this initiative.


Mr Druz said the rebels wanted to establish a socially responsible state that would
protect Christian values.

He also said the Ukrainian government was "totally illegitimate".

Mr Druz said: "These people have come to power by committing murders and
staging an armed coup. Now they are committing war crimes. They are bombing
our cities. They shell cities and then blame it on our fighters. This is nonsense."

More than 1,500 people are believed to have been killed in the conflict which
erupted in east Ukraine in April, after rebels declared independence from the new
government in Kiev.

Russia, which annexed Ukraine's Crimea region in March, has been accused of
arming the rebels and has been targeted by US and EU sanctions. Russia denies the accusations.





BBC map


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28622083

[SilentFeathers]

Dahboo must be reading this thread, he just made a video about the wreckage being riddled with 30mm bullet holes.....those Ukraine fighter jets are fitted with 2-30mm cannon/guns if my research is correct

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X3SaF-bfhes

If we now consider the armament of a typical SU 25 we learn this: It is equipped with a double-barreled 30-mm gun, type GSh-302 / AO-17A, equipped with: a 250 round magazine of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells (dum-dum), arranged in alternating order. The cockpit of the MH 017 has evidently been fired at from both sides: the entry and exit holes are found on the same fragment of its cockpit segment!
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/n...issile-or-not/

[Hervé]

“Support MH17 Truth”: OSCE Monitors Identify “Shrapnel and Machine Gun-Like Holes” indicating Shelling. No Evidence of a Missile Attack. Shot Down by a Military Aircraft?

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, July 31, 2014

Region: Russia and FSU
Theme: US NATO War Agenda
In-depth Report: UKRAINE REPORT

Su-25 aircraft

According to the report of German pilot and airlines expert Peter Haisenko, the MH17 Boeing 777 was not brought down by a missile.

What he observed from the available photos were perforations of the cockpit:

The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter caliber projectile. (Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile” Global Research, July 30, 2014)

[click image right to enlarge]

Based on detailed analysis Peter Haisenko reached the conclusion that the MH17 was not downed by a missile attack:

This aircraft was not hit by a missile in the central portion. The destruction is limited to the cockpit area. Now you have to factor in that this part is constructed of specially reinforced material

The OSCE Mission
It is worth noting that the initial statements by OSCE observers (July 31) broadly confirm the findings of Peter Haisenko:

Monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe reported that shrapnel-like holes were found in two separate pieces of the fuselage of the ill-fated Malaysia Airlines aircraft that was believed to have been downed by a missile in eastern Ukraine.

Michael Bociurkiw of the OSCE group of monitors at his daily briefing described part of the plane’s fuselage dotted with “shrapnel-like, almost machine gun-like holes.” He said the damage was inspected by Malaysian aviation-security officials .(Wall Street Journal, July 31, 2014)

The monitoring OSCE team has not found evidence of a missile fired from the ground as conveyed by official White House statements. As we recall, the US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power stated –pointing a finger at Russia– that the Malaysian MH17 plane was “likely downed by a surface-to-air missile operated from a separatist-held location”:

The team of international investigators with the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) are uncertain if the missile used was fired from the ground as US military experts have previously suggested, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reported. (Malay Mail online, emphasis added)

The initial OSCE findings tend to dispel the claim that a BUK missile system brought down the plane.

Evidently, inasmuch as the perforations are attributable to shelling, a shelling operation conducted from the ground could not have brought down an aircraft traveling above 30,000 feet.

Ukraine Su-25 military aircraft within proximity of MH17
Peter Haisenko’s study is corroborated by the Russian Ministry of Defense which pointed to a Ukrainian Su-25 jet in the flight corridor of the MH17, within proximity of the plane.

Ironically, the presence of a military aircraft is also confirmed by a BBC report conducted at the crash site on July 23.

All the eyewitnesses interviewed by the BBC confirmed the presence of a Ukrainian military aircraft flying within proximity of Malaysian Airlines MH17 at the time that it was shot down:

Eyewitness #1: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when …

Eyewitness #2: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.

Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.

Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zUvK5m2vxro

The original BBC Video Report published by BBC Russian Service on July 23, 2014 has since been removed from the BBC archive. In a bitter irony, The BBC is censoring its own news productions.

Media Spin
The media has reported that a surface to air missile was indeed fired and exploded before reaching its target. It was not the missile that brought down the plane, it was the shrapnel resulting from the missile explosion (prior to reaching the plane) which punctured the plane and then led to a loss of pressure.

According to Ukraine’s National security spokesman Andriy Lysenko in a contradictory statement, the MH17 aircraft “suffered massive explosive decompression after being hit by a shrapnel missile.” (See IBT, Australia)

In an utterly absurd report, the BBC quoting the official Ukraine statement says that:

The downed Malaysia Airlines jet in eastern Ukraine suffered an explosive loss of pressure after it was punctured by shrapnel from a missile.

They say the information came from the plane’s flight data recorders, which are being analysed by British experts.

However, it remains unclear who fired a missile, with pro-Russia rebels and Ukraine blaming each other.

Many of the 298 people killed on board flight MH17 were from the Netherlands.

Dutch investigators leading the inquiry into the crash have refused to comment on the Ukrainian claims.

“Machine Gun Like Holes”
The shrapnel marks should be distinguished from the small entry and exit holes “most likely that of a 30 millimeter caliber projectile” fired from a military aircraft. These holes could not have been caused by a missile explosion as hinted by the MSM.

While the MSN is saying that the “shrapnel like holes” can be caused by a missile (see BBC report above), the OSCE has confirmed the existence of what it describes as “machine gun like holes”, without however acknowledging that these cannot be caused by a missile.

In this regard, the GSh-302 firing gun operated by an Su-25 is able to fire 3000 rpm [round per minute]which explains the numerous entry and exit holes.

According to the findings of Peter Haisenko:

If we now consider the armament of a typical SU 25 we learn this: It is equipped with a double-barreled 30-mm gun, type GSh-302 / AO-17A, equipped with: a 250 round magazine of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells (dum-dum), arranged in alternating order. The cockpit of the MH 017 has evidently been fired at from both sides: the entry and exit holes are found on the same fragment of it’s cockpit segment (op cit)

The accusations directed against Russia including the sanctions regime imposed by Washington are based on a lie.

The evidence does not support the official US narrative to the effect that the MH17 was shot down by a BUK missile system operated by the DPR militia.

What next? More media disinformation, more lies?

See:
Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile” By Peter Haisenko, July 30, 2014

PS: ... still leaving Schiphol and the possibility of a sure fire bomb... alone.

[Operator]

After a period of more than 2 weeks we are now in the era where the world has been split in 2 halves.

- the ones that keep on digging for the truth
- the ones that accept the best plausible explanation to their (limited) knowledge

The latter group is by far the biggest and propaganda has once more done its job.
And, last but not least, this is what counts for the moment ... unfortunately.
Politics are fully based on what has been said so far, who cares if it is true or not?
Case closed ... (politically wise) ... next !

Even when you've proven over a dozen times that people's opinions are played with,
most of them are not willing to go there because the situation requires them to be
loyal and in support of who governs them. They may realize it later but by then the
momentum has already been shifted to a new case. Can we even blame them? Most
of the people are busy 'surviving'.

I think this has been the frustrating factor of the last decades. How do we turn the
tide on this?

[Pris]

Posted by Operator (here)
After a period of more than 2 weeks we are now in the era where the world has been split in 2 halves.

- the ones that keep on digging for the truth
- the ones that accept the best plausible explanation to their (limited) knowledge

The latter group is the by far the biggest and propaganda has once more done its job.
And, last but not least, this is what counts for the moment ... unfortunately.
Politics are fully based on what has been said so far, who cares if it is true or not?
Case closed ... (politically wise) ... next !

Even when you've proven over a dozen times that people's opinion's are played with,
most of them are not willing to go there because the situation requires them to be
loyal and in support of who governs them. They may realize it later but by then the
momentum has already been shifted to a new case. Can we even blame them? Most
of the people are busy 'surviving'.

I think this has been the frustrating factor of the last decades. How do we turn the
tide on this?

I think the tide is turning on this -- thanks to people like you. More and more people are waking up. We're all just waiting for everyone to 'get it' which is agonizing.

Still, I don't think the Cabal can keep up their charade much longer.

[jerry]

The MH 017 looked similar in it’s tricolor design to that that of the Russian President’s plane.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/german-...n-mh17/5394111

[ThePythonicCow]

An article by Eric Zuesse has been posted both here and here, with more evidence that MH17 was shot down by high powered gun fire (as in aircraft cannon), not by a missile or bomb.

Michael Bociurkiw, a Ukrainian-Canadian monitor with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), was one of the first international monitors to reach the wreckage after the jet was shot down. When he first arrived, the wreckage was still smoldering. Bociurkiw reports that:

There have been two or three pieces of fuselage that have been really pockmarked with what almost looks like machine-gun fire, very very strong machine-gun fire.

Here is the snippet of the Canadian Broadcast Corp (CBC) in which Bociurkiw made this statement.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7ze9BNGDyk4

Here is the entire July 29, 2014 CBC article on this report, with an embedded video of the full interview: Malaysia Airlines MH17: Michael Bociurkiw talks about being first at the crash site

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P.S. -- I am a bit surprised to see that it is CBC, not a more "dubious" alternative news site, that published this interview.

[Hervé]

Thanks Paul,

I couldn't get that video working for me from the CBC.ca website (see post # 839)

PS: CBC is having a hard time with gov-ca because it's a public org and wants to retain some journalistic Independence... so its funding is being cut down.

[Slorri]

MOSCOW, August 3 (RIA Novosti) – The data received after the preliminary examination of Boeing-777 Malaysia Airlines black boxes indicated nothing unusual on board before the crash in eastern Ukraine, New Straits Times reported Sunday.
“So far, from what the team has heard, there was nothing unusual. The last voice heard was not the pilot’s. No, there was no indication that the pilots saw or sensed anything off,” the paper quoted the source close to the international group of investigators as saying.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140803/1916...s-Nothing.html

[Cidersomerset]

De-Escalation? US to train Ukraine National Guard, EU lifts arms ban

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-TNyVCGWJlE

Published on 2 Aug 2014


Despite the Ukrainian conflict claiming more lives every day, Kiev is getting further
support from its Westen backers. The Obama administration now plans to train and
equip National Guard fighters, while the EU's quietly lifting a ban on supplying
Ukraine with weapons.

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Malaysian Air Probes Are Led By Perpetrators Of The Lockerbie Cover-up

new Sunday 3rd August 2014 at 09:53 By david-icke





‘“Massive explosive decompression” is how a Ukraine defense spokesman
described the midair destruction of Malaysian Airlines flight 17. The three
words, leaked through military liaison, are based on flight-recorder analysis
being conducted at the official inquiry office at TAG London Farnborough
Airport in Hampshire, south of the British capital.

Adding scandal to a double tragedy, the official investigations into both the
midair destruction of MH17 and the MH-370 disappearance are being led by
the same team that perpetrated the cover-up of the PanAm 103 bombing
over Lockerbie, Scotland. Cloaked in secrecy, the Air Accident Investigation
Branch (AAIB) is an agency of the UK Transport Ministry, which was created
by Royal Army and reputedly connected with the MI-6 spy service, the Crown
and the House of Rothschild.’

Read more: Malaysian Air Probes Are Led By Perpetrators Of The Lockerbie Cover-up

http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/w...82-587x396.jpg


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Ukrainians Protest Against Conscription Orders

Sunday 3rd August 2014 at 09:48 By david-icke





‘NATO’s war against Ukrainians opposed to the State Department installed
regime is in serious trouble. In addition to mounting casualties and desertions
within the Ukrainian army a growing number of citizens are protesting against
conscription imposed by the government.

In response authorities have promised to arrest anybody who uses social
media to engage in political activism against the war. The order was issued
by Anton Gerashenko, an advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.’




Ukrainians are burning their military drafts[eng subs]



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_R9-LCwd54#t=156

Read more: Ukrainians Protest Against Conscription Orders

[Cidersomerset]

This is about the US and allies creating and exploiting an opportunity to
discredit Russia and stop their economic plans with BRICS and also
give them a bloody nose militarily if possible. Putin has seen this coming
and although backed the Crimea re joining the Russian Federation, has
only given limited aid to the separatists in East Ukraine. This is cold war
brinkman ship similar to how the Cuban crises began.....

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The Globalists Asymmetric Warfare Tactics Could Trigger Nuclear War

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VjNaBxFN__E

Published on 25 Jul 2014


David Knight conducts an extensive interview with Paul Craig
Roberts an insider and global affairs expert. He covers in detail
the tactics employed through the current conflict in Ukraine. He
identifies the key players, their intentions and the likely outcomes
of this deadly game.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/ukrainia...on-orders.html


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The discussion in the vid above is interesting and explains what politically
maybe going on and Washingtons strategic planning.They think this could be
an opportunity to provoke Russia into a major conflict , and dealing them
a major setback in their potential military revival and stop the BRICS
countries from interfering with the dollar economy. Paul Craig Roberts
explains his theory and how Putin has seen it coming and trying not
to be provoked, even by Washingtons plans to get Kiev to attack ethnic
Russians. Germany is a key player and both sides have been 'courting'
Mrs Merkyl. Germany is a bit miffed at being spied on with Prism,
although German intelligence must have known and probably took part.

Now all this may explain the US decision to appoint a high ranking
German military officer, as chief of staff for the US Army Europe.So
that if a shooting war begins Germany will be even more obliged
to full fill its NATO obligations.

(senate bill 2277 more Seven's ??)

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Obama Places German Foreign Commander as Chief of Staff for US Army Europe

Saturday 2nd August 2014 at 08:32 By david-icke





‘A German Army brigadier general who recently served with NATO forces in
Afghanistan is assuming duties as the chief of staff of U. S. Army Europe, the first
time a non-American officer has held that position.’

Read more: Obama Places German Foreign Commander as Chief of Staff for US Army Europe

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=23883

[Tesseract]

Did you guys cover this yet?

The alleged satellite imagery of the launch is claimed to be a fake made from imagery in a computer game called Flaming Cliffs 2:


http://www.allmystery.de/themen/pr112045-450#id12555461

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age2603977/pg1


This link has a slider tool to compare the images:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/deb...nch-fake.4025/


I've never played this game, so waiting for some confirmation either way. Will this get any weirder?

Edit: Here is the footage in question:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iPNfpWScXGM

There are some comments from Gordon Duff, or someone using that screen name, that staunchly defend the authenticity of the footage.

[Hervé]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Any body noticed that Gaza disappeared off the map?

While attention was diverted to MH17 and now to Ebola...

Israel 'Wiping Gaza off the Map'

Juan Cole
juancole.com
Sat, 02 Aug 2014 10:06 CDT

© RT

Would you know ethnic cleansing when you see it?

Back when the warmongers had hopes of ginning up a war between the United States and Iran during the Bush administration, one of their propaganda talking points was the Iran had "threatened to wipe Israel off the map."

When we look at Gaza's before and after pictures (below) it becomes clear that the charge is more appropriate to Israel itself.

The late Christopher Hitchens, who went off the deep end at the end of his life, joining with the Neoconservatives in hoping for Iran to be so targeted, was furious with me for questioning this underpinning of the war effort.

I pointed out that there is no such idiom in Persian and that the phrase was a quotation from Imam Khomeini in the 1980s, quoted by then president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. What Khomeini had said was "This Occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Ahmadinejad said he hoped the Zionist enterprise would collapse just as had the rule of the shah in Iran or that of the Soviet Union. Iran's then president (who is not head of the armed forces) had no authority to order tanks to roll on Israel. There were several countries in between, so Iran cannot attack Israel militarily even if it wanted to. Israeli fighter jets would make mince meat of a conventional Iranian invasion, and anyway Israel has several hundred atomic bombs, which are rather a deterrent.

The argument from Ahmadinejad's use of the Khomeini quote was based on a bad translation. But it was also a logical fallacy, belonging, I think, to the family of "irrelevant appeals." The Iranian leadership does not like Zionism or Jewish nationalism, and wishes it would fade away and collapse ("vanish from the page of time"). This rhetorical hatred, however, has nothing to do with military threats. Iran has no air force or navy to speak of and its military budget is in the same ballpark as Norway and Singapore. Equating hateful speech to an intent to launch aggressive warfare is silly.

Note that the current president of Iran, Hassan Rouhani, elected last summer, doesn't engage in over the top rhetoric and so there have been no attempts to demonize him and use him as a pretext for attacking Iran. Iran has the same regime, so the real difference in only that propaganda via ad hominems has become more difficult.

But after the last three weeks it is clear, in any case, who is in the business of actually wiping other countries off the map. The RT report below shows UN aerial photos showing entire neighborhoods in Gaza razed by the Israeli military. Over 5,000 building have been destroyed and over 26,000 have been damaged. This is a significant proportion of Gaza's housing stock, and the Israelis want to make sure that the damage cannot be repaired. As the Gandolfo article makes clear, water sewage treatment plants aren't working because the Israelis bombed the power station (this was deliberate; they knew exactly where it was). Babies have died in Gaza hospitals because their incubators ceased functioning.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=90wFV9AqOI4

How come the UN can pull out accurate satellite imagery for Gaza but none for Ukraine?

[KiwiElf]

Hmmmm and what "other" type of weaponry is Israel using to achieve it? Is it "Iron Beam,"? A Tesla-based particle beam weapon (also discussed in the latest Series 7 Episode 2 of Ancient Aliens)? This photo is allegedly "a recent attack" on Gaza... what IS THIS?




The EricsonReport website shows this image of an unusual explosion which allegedly hit Gaza recently, posing the question, "what kind of weapon does this?" Ideas anyone?

http://www.ericsonreport.com/what-ki...pon-does-this/

(Apologies for getting off topic)