Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[Ravenlocke]

I just came across this news bit :

"Mystery as £20,000 cash is withdrawn from accounts of four passengers who went down with doomed Flight MH370 "

More than £20,000 has been stolen from four passengers aboard the doomed MH370 flight.
Five months after the Malaysia Airlines flight went missing, mysterious withdrawals totaling 111,000 RM (£20,916) have been recorded, reports claim.
A bank in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, reported the apparent discrepancies in their accounts on July 18, before lodging a police complaint, Assistant Commissioner to the crime investigation department Izany Abdul Ghany revealed


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3AUqSboPP

[Operator]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The end of the "30mm gun theory":

rolan, August 12, 2014 - 8:09 pm
The cannon theory is UNTENABLE/UNSUSTAINABLE.


The 777 having flown at 250 m/s means that every point A, B, or C of the aircraft shifted 250 m every second (A+250m, B+250m, C+250, ect.) WHILE the cannon was able to *only* fire rounds in the order of the tens per second. (Say 50 rounds/s = 3000/min.)


Admitting one burst of a fraction of second with the cannon, every next round would have hit in the order of the meters aside, next to the preceding hit, the 777 flying at 250 m/s. (250 m/s) / (50 rounds/s) = 2.5 m/round


Shooting at the 777 at an angle changes little (see trigonometry), the order of spacing of the rounds hitting the 777 would be still in the orders of the meters.


Is what observation of the cockpit and of the reaming body of the aircraft confirm?! **NO**


(And *finishing* the 777 off with a cannon makes VERY little sense JIC, aside NOT solving the initial problem anyway.)

Not to debate that issue at all but ...

I think the above is not entirely correct ... the sketched scenario only applies if the cannon had a ground speed of 0 m/s.
But if it was fired from a fighter jet the ground speed could have been more or less equal to the airliner.

Maybe I've misinterpreted the sketched scenario ... also possible

[Flash]

Posted by avid (here)
A lot of posts ago - we discussed this. Bodies are repatriated to various countries en route. On normal flights. Every day. So 'deader-than-dead' cargo may be normal, or going to be 'gifted' samples for research for a scientific conference. I have seen them loading up coffins at the main terminal in Manchester to repatriate the dead, lots of coffins on overseas flight cargo on lots of international flights. A vile view, but this is what you observe on international departures lounges looking inwards to the core of the main hub. They are definitely repatriating lots of dead daily all over the world. This will happen all over the world - repatriation of the dead. Absolutely a normal procedure.

However - we must always question that which gives us grief and torment and there are many links to the truth of this tragedy elsewhere.

yes, i worked abroad for a travel agency aons ago (lol) and when some tourist from the agency would die, we would have to find a way to put them in ice and fridge coffins and have them repatriated - Canada was asking the bodies to be frozen (once dead you are treated as a piece of imported meat and meat contamination has to be avoided), in the airplanes going back.

so, yes, dead bodies in the cargo area is usual procédures.

[Cidersomerset]

A couple of articles on David Ickes site today.



M17 and MH370......The Vanishing Point.....








THE ROVING EYE
Vanishing point …
By Pepe Escobar

First, passenger airliner MH370 vanished from Planet Earth. Then MH370
vanished from the news cycle. First, MH17 was shot down by "Putin's missile"
- as Planet Earth was told. Then MH17 vanished from the news cycle.

Where's Baudrillard when we need him? Had he been alive, the dervish of
simulacra would have already deconstructed these two Malaysian planes as
mirror images; from absolute vanishing to maximum exposure, then
vanished again. They might as well have

been abducted - and shot - by aliens. Now you seem them, now you don't.

Black boxes, data recorders - everything MH17 is now floating in a black
void. The British are taking forever to analyze the data - and if they have
already done so, they are not talking. It's as if they were singing, I see a
black box / and I want it painted black … void.

The Pentagon, with 20-20 vision over Ukraine, knows what happened.
Russian intelligence not only knows what happened but offered a
tantalizing glimpse of it in an official presentation, dismissed by the
"West". The best technical analyses point not to "Putin's missile" - a
BUK - but to a combination of R-60 air-to-air missile and the
auto-cannon of an Su-25.

A reader led me to this fair assessment by former USAF and Boeing
engineer Raymond Blohm: "With proper vectoring, a Su-25 need not
be quite as fast as a Boeing 777 in cruise. It just has to get to a
missile-firing position. Since the 777 was not maneuvering, it would
be simple to pre-calculate when to get in a certain spot in the sky
below the 777. From there, it's the missile that has the speed and
altitude capability to hit the 777. (The R-60 is a very capable missile.)
After the missile takes out an engine, both the 777's max speed and its
max altitude are well within the Su-25 fighter's speed & altitude
capabilities. Then, the Su-25 can show off its cannon power."

Follow the engine wreckage. Follow the cockpit wreckage. Follow the
motive. One cannot even imagine the tectonic geopolitical plates clashing
were the Kiev regime to be deemed responsible. It would be the vanishing
point for the whole - warped - notion of the Empire of Chaos's
"indispensable" exceptionalism.

So as MH370 totally vanished, the MH17 story must also totally vanish.
The Dutch and the British might eventually come out and hold a
high-profile press conference telling the world what His Master's Voice
finally redacted. Still, one may count on certified, residual outrage, if not
puzzlement, by a large number of grieving Dutch families. And one may
count on certified outrage by Malaysia as a nation. As in Why Us? And
not once but twice?

Moscow, after deconstructing the "logic" of the ongoing Russia/Putin
hysterical demonization, knows that whatever they say will be invalidated
by the Orwellian Thought Police. Yet as much as His Master's Voice controls
what the Dutch and the British might eventually reveal, Russia can
counterpunch by leaking the crucial scenario to Malaysia. And Malaysia
will talk.

MH370 vanished as in a video game. MH17 was hit as in a video game.
Now their respective narratives are being vanished. It's as if we are living
a tiny rehearsal of the black hypothesis of post-history.

Postmodernist star Jean-Francois Lyotard and later Flemish thinker Lieven
De Cauter were the rarified few who dabbled in studying the black hypothesis.
The black hypothesis is the ultimate dystopia - playing out in the cosmological
time of the death of the sun, something like 4.5 billion years away. Basically
this is about techno-science surviving the death of the sun and the death of
humanity itself.

So MH370 may have vanished into an antechamber of the black hypothesis.
But MH17 is much more prosaic; it could have been just a false flag gone wrong.
Thus, under Empire of Chaos's rules, it must also vanish. The question is whether
global civil society will accept it - or has already entered its own vanishing point.

Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving
into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007), Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad
during the surge (Nimble Books, 2007), and Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009).

He may be reached at pepeasia@yahoo.com.




http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central...02-150814.html

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/


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MH17: First crash report ‘in weeks’: Dutch investigators

11 August 2014 @ 9:30 PM






MH17: First crash report ‘in weeks’: Dutch investigators

11 August 2014 @ 9:30 PM


THE HAGUE: Dutch air crash investigators said Monday they expect
to release an initial report into what brought down flight MH17 over
Ukraine with the loss of 298 lives “in a few weeks.”

There were 193 Dutch citizens aboard the Malaysia Airlines 777 when
it exploded over strife-torn eastern Ukraine on July 17 and the Dutch
are in charge of victim identification and probing the cause of the disaster.

The West has accused pro-Russian separatists of shooting down the
jet with a missile supplied by Russia. Moscow has accused Ukraine
of shooting it down.

“We have sufficient information to compile a preliminary report,” said
Wim van der Weegen, spokesman for the Dutch Safety Board (OVV).

“We hope that it will be ready in a few weeks,” he told AFP, announcing
that international crash investigators had now returned to the Netherlands
without visiting the crash site.

“In order to analyse the information... it’s not essential to remain in Ukraine,
” Van der Weegen told AFP, saying the team will now be based in The Hague.

Ukranian air crash experts, who are taking part in the international probe,
had been at the crash site shortly after the crash, before the Dutch were
tasked with leading the investigation, Van der Weegen said.

The deteriorating security situation prevented crash investigators under the
OVV’s leadership from reaching the remote site, although Dutch, Australian
and Malaysian forensic experts did reach the area to look for body parts and
personal belongings.

“Since we’ve taken over the investigation, there has been no new opportunity
to get to the crash site,” Van der Weegen said.

The OVV said in a statement that it was only investigating what brought down
flight MH17, not who was responsible.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte last Wednesday called off the search for body
parts as a result of escalating fighting between Kiev and pro-Russian separatists.

Van der Weegen said enough sources were available including cockpit voice
recorders, flight data recorders (black boxes), radar details and information
from air traffic controllers.

“We have enough information (for a preliminary report), but we would like
to return to the crash site to verify some of our findings and get additional
information,” he said. -AFP







http://www.nst.com.my/node/22219

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Slorri]

The silence is deafening MH17 Black Box Results. No data ever released

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qgwdbQ9wgu4

[Operator]

Posted by Slorri (here)
The silence is deafening MH17 Black Box Results. No data ever released

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qgwdbQ9wgu4

This is what I expected ... the story will die out as a candle in the night. I hoped I was wrong ...
But when they start yelling they will not rest until the perpetrators are caught followed by so
many indications that evidence is silently spirited away you know how it ends.

[Hervé]

Indeed, all channels silent...

Cover-Up? Why Have the Media and Obama Administration Gone Silent on MH17?

By Niles Williamson, Global Research, August 18, 2014

The deafening silence of the US media and government about the investigation into the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 one month ago reeks of a cover-up.

In the hours and days immediately after the crash, without a single shred of evidence, US officials alleged that the passenger jet was shot down by an SA-11 ground-to-air missile fired from pro-Russian separatist-held territory in eastern Ukraine. They launched a political campaign to obtain harsh economic sanctions against Russia and strengthen NATO’s military posture in Eastern Europe.

Picking up on the scent, the CIA attack dogs in the US and European media blamed the crash squarely on Russian President Vladimir Putin. The cover of the July 28 print edition of German news magazine Der Spiegel showed the images of MH17 victims surrounding bold red text reading “Stoppt Putin Jetzt!” (Stop Putin Now!). A July 26 editorial in the Economist declared Putin to be the author of MH17’s destruction, while the magazine ghoulishly superimposed Putin’s face over a spider web on its front cover, denouncing Putin’s “web of lies.”

Anyone comparing the media’s demonization of Putin with their treatment of Saddam Hussein or Muammar Gaddafi had to conclude that Washington was launching a campaign for regime change in Russia like those it carried out in Libya and Iraq—this time, recklessly pushing the United States towards war with a nuclear-armed power, Russia.

Having built up the crash into a casus belli against Russia, however, the US media suddenly dropped the matter completely. The New York Times has not found it fit to print a word on the MH17 crash since August 7.


[...]


Full article: http://www.globalresearch.ca/cover-u...n-mh17/5396372

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Why would that be?

Simply because all the False Flag objectives were achieved, whether political, social engineering or $$...

Putin, Russia and pro-Russians instantly demonized;

Economical sanctions applied with expected retaliations implemented giving the US and allies a breather and plunging Europe into a nightmare while re-enforcing the BRICS ties and exchanges...

... leaving Ukraine's fascists and mercenaries alone to keep doing their business as usual while Ukrainian army patriots have no other options than defect to Russia since the $$ in the form of pay and supplies are flowing to the mercenaries.

Fait accomplit!

[Cidersomerset]

Boeing-777 was downed by Ukrainian MiG-29, Romanian expert says

Thursday 21st August 2014 at 11:28 By david-icke





‘Romanian military expert, pilot and former deputy commander of Otopeni military
airport, Valentin Vasilescu, presented his version of the tragedy of the Malaysian
Boeing in the sky over Ukraine.

According to the expert, the plane was shot down by Ukrainian MiG-29, possibly
piloted by Polish pilot.

Valentin Vasilescu refutes the theory, according to which the plane had been
shot down by surface-to-air missile, which, according to American and Ukrainian
versions, the militia launched from Buk-1M mobile unit.’

Read more: Boeing-777 was downed by Ukrainian MiG-29, Romanian expert says



http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/...n-expert-says/


The Romanian expert noted that Polish military pilots are best trained in
south-eastern Europe and have many hours of flight time (180-200 hours
per year). “They are familiar with the airspace of Ukraine, they took part
in all exercises that Ukrainian Air Force has organized in the last four or
five years. Polish Air Force has 31 MiG-29 jets, 16 of which were
re-equipped by specialists of Israel Aerospace Industries. The planes
received new avionics (multifunction color displays (MFCD), GPS-guided
weapons, data-link support, UHF / VHF RT-8200 Rockwell Collins radio
station and MDP video technology, etc.). Polish pilots were trained by
Israeli instructors who have extensive experience in destroying a variety
of air targets, concluded Valentin Vasilescu.

Lyuba Lulko
Pravda.Ru

Read the original in Russian

[Cidersomerset]

‘Kiev, US propaganda war leave little motive to let Russian aid in’

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lzdYiXT-UWQ

Published on 21 Aug 2014


A small part of trucks with Russian humanitarian aid has been
cleared to cross the border. Following about a week of delay,
Russian aid convoy may set off on Friday for its final
destination - Ukraine’s Lugansk region. RT talks to Former
advisor to the US-Russia Bilateral Presidential Commission
at the State Department, James W. Carden.


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"Incoming!" petrified locals tell RT 'there's nowhere to go" as Lugansk is bombed

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_kVobIv-QVM

Published on 21 Aug 2014


The civilian death toll is rising in Ukraine's bloody war. At
least 52 civilians were reported killed in the last 48 hours.
RT’s Maria Finoshina returns to Lugansk, a near-deserted
city under constant shelling, and listened to those unable
to flee the frontline, and for whom the terror has become
too much.

[Cidersomerset]

Kiev in U-turn over claim that 'Russian tanks, artillery and 1,200 fighters'
had been deployed in Eastern Ukraine as evidence fails to materialise

Ukrainian official claimed troops moved in just as the city was poised to fall
But they have since been forced to deny the allegation after strong rebuttal

If true it would have been tantamount to an invasion of Ukraine by Russia
Putin set to meet Ukrainian president Poroshenko in Belarus on Monday

By Will Stewart and Reuters and Associated Press and Damien Gayle for MailOnline

Published: 09:54, 20 August 2014 | Updated: 19:30, 20 August 2014



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3B6He4Flc
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook




Tragic: A woman stands by the body of a dead man after a Ukrainian army mortar attack hit the city centre

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3B6IXmjdO
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

[araucaria]

Maybe this silence is golden. People are not standing for this nonsense any more. We have come a long way since 911, which produced ten years of such terrific noise. The overall scenario being played out is not heading towards global disclosure and massive trials in The Hague. No disclosure is necessary because enough people are now aware of what is going on. And the Nuremberg trials were something of an anticlimax, just leading to the hanging of a few broken henchmen. What we are seeing is more like a well-loved but broken toy being put away in a cupboard before it is quietly thrown out.

Yesterday I read that the best ‘joke’ that the Edinburgh Festival Fringe could come up with was this: ‘I have just thrown out my hoover [vacuum cleaner]; it was just collecting dust’. If it is a joke you want, I think many on this forum could do better than that; but if you want a comment on what is going on, I think it is very apt. The machine has a kind of built-in obsolescence in the sense that when no longer working it continues to do what it was made for. The global clean-up operation, cleaning up financially, militarily etc., is still cleaning up, but in a very different way, before itself getting cleaned up.

This week has been the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Paris, and last night they aired the movie Paris brûle-t-il? (Is Paris Burning? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060814/) The title is a quote from Hitler on the phone to von Choltitz, the governor of Paris, asking if the explosives he ordered to be placed on all the bridges and major buildings have been detonated prior to evacuation. The movie ends with his question coming out of the phone dangling on the desk von Choltitz has just vacated after surrendering. My point is that the ultimate firework display of Paris burning never materialized, and that this came about through the deliberate delaying tactics of a leading Nazi.

Is the world burning? No sir, and it’s not going to happen. The hoover has been hoovered. There are still a little sniping going on, but already the streets are full of happy liberated people.

So that was a pretty good joke after all, as long as people see the really funny side

Edit: an hour after posting I found this:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...acuum-cleaners

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The end of the "30mm gun theory":

rolan, August 12, 2014 - 8:09 pm
The cannon theory is UNTENABLE/UNSUSTAINABLE.


The 777 having flown at 250 m/s means that every point A, B, or C of the aircraft shifted 250 m every second (A+250m, B+250m, C+250, ect.) WHILE the cannon was able to *only* fire rounds in the order of the tens per second. (Say 50 rounds/s = 3000/min.)

That doesn't seem right to me. The airspeed (250 m/s) of the aircraft doesn't matter in this calculation. What matters is the speed of the aircraft relative to the fighter firing the cannon. If they are both flying at the same speed, then the cannon fire holes could be closed spaced on the aircraft.

Oops - looks like my analysis is a week behind the times:

Posted by Operator (here)
I think the above is not entirely correct ... the sketched scenario only applies if the cannon had a ground speed of 0 m/s.
But if it was fired from a fighter jet the ground speed could have been more or less equal to the airliner.

[Cidersomerset]

MH17 Downing: CIA Analysts Won’t Support White House Claims of Russian Culpability

new Saturday 23rd August 2014 at 09:44 By david-icke





‘A central part of that campaign by Washington has been the effort to
blame the downing of Malaysian Flight 17, which killed all 298
passengers and crew, on Russia, or failing that, on pro-Russian
separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine. This campaign has used innuendo,
falsified evidence and, weirdly, spurious and sometimes absurd
“evidence” circulating in various social media — all of which which
people like Secretary of State John Kerry and president Obama
himself have tried to say “prove” that Russia, or at least a
Russian-provided high-altitude BUK anti-aircraft missile, was
responsible for the downing.’

But increasingly, critics, including analysts within the CIA, have
been throwing cold water on that theory. Suspiciously, the US,
which had a spy satellite located directly over the Malaysian
plane at the very time of the shoot-down, and which certainly
has detailed photographic images of exactly what happened,
has offered no a single photo to prove its contention that a
missile was fired from territory under rebel control.’




What's the truth behind Malaysian Flight 17 downing?: CIA
Analysts Won't Support White House Claims of Russian Culpability


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War is a Crime.org....


By dlindorff - Posted on 22 August 2014

By Dave Lindorff


With the US continuing to push its submissive European “allies”
towards an ever more confrontational stance towards Russia
over the crisis in Ukraine (a crisis initially provoked by the US
itself through CIA and State Department actions that led to
the overthrow of Ukraine’s elected government), the world
appears headed towards a dangerous renewed Cold War
between the world’s two nuclear superpowers.


A central part of that campaign by Washington has been the
effort to blame the downing of Malaysian Flight 17, which
killed all 298 passengers and crew, on Russia, or failing that,
on pro-Russian separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine. This
campaign has used innuendo, falsified evidence and, weirdly,
spurious and sometimes absurd “evidence” circulating in
various social media -- all of which which people like
Secretary of State John Kerry and president Obama himself
have tried to say “prove” that Russia, or at least a
Russian-provided high-altitude BUK anti-aircraft missile,
was responsible for the downing.


But increasingly, critics, including analysts within the CIA,
have been throwing cold water on that theory. Suspiciously,
the US, which had a spy satellite located directly over the
Malaysian plane at the very time of the shoot-down, and
which certainly has detailed photographic images of exactly
what happened, has offered no a single photo to prove its
contention that a missile was fired from territory under
rebel control.


Meanwhile, there are multiple claims that the CIA -- and
perhaps the National Security Agency too -- have evidence
that it was Ukrainian forces, not separatists, who shot down
the plane, either using one of the several dozen BUK
launchers that they are known to possess themselves, or
by two Ukrainian attack fighters that were known to be tailing
the Malaysian commercial jet shoot it down with machine
gun fire and/or air-to-air missiles. Significantly, a Canadian
investigator with the international team sent to collect and
examine pieces of the crashed airliner, has said he saw holes
that appeared caused by heavy 30 mm machine-gun fire --the
type of ammunition used by the fighter jets -- in a section of
the front of the Boeing jet, as well as in both sides. Such holes
in the nose and both sides of the doomed plane could not have
all been caused by the projectiles released by a BUK missile,
which would have all hit the plane from one direction --
reportedly normally from a location beneath the plane.


A week ago, this reporter interviewed Ray McGovern, a former
CIA analyst with 27 years of experience at the agency, about
the Ukraine crisis, on ThisCantBeHappening!’s weekly radio show
that airs each Wednesday at 5 pm Eastern Time on the Progressive
Radio Network (PRN.fm). McGovern says on that program that
sources he knows who are still at the CIA say that the agency
has refused to back the US claim that separatists or Russia
were behind the shoot-down of Flight 17.



Read more: MH17 Downing: CIA Analysts Won’t Support White House Claims of Russian Culpability

http://warisacrime.org/content/whats...-house-claims-

[Cidersomerset]

MH-17 ‘Investigation’: Secret August 8th Agreement Seeps Out

new Sunday 24th August 2014 at 11:15 By david-icke





‘Regarding what caused the downing of the Malaysian airliner MH-17 in Ukraine on
July 17th, the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN, reported in a brief Russian-language
news story on August 12th, that four days earlier (August 8th) a representative of
that nation’s Prosecutor General office, Yuri Boychenko, had said that (as auto-
translated by google), “the results [of the investigation] will be announced upon
completion of the investigation and with the consent of all the parties who signed
the corresponding agreement.”

This UNIAN report said that, “As part of the four-party agreement signed on August
8 between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia [all of which nations are
allies of the United States and are cooperating with its new Cold War against
Russia], information on the investigation into the disaster Malaysian ‘Boeing-777’
will not be disclosed.”’

Read more: MH-17 ‘Investigation’: Secret August 8th Agreement Seeps Out




http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/...reement-seeps/

[giovonni]

The Corbett Report

"When Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 went down on July 17, 2014, we were immediately inundated with base propaganda trying to convince us that the shootdown could be traced back to the Kremlin. But what was this rush to judgement based on? What have we learned about the crash since then? Why has MH17 completely disappeared from the news cycle? And who really stood to benefit from the disaster? Find out the answers to these questions and more in this week's edition of The Corbett Report."

Show notes and MP3: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=11947

Published on Aug 26, 2014

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gWlAARb0fN4

[Tyy1907]

Such a good point ie dissappeared from the news. A mission gone wrong? Putin prevented a biological catastrophe like Simon Parkes claims?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Clicked on the video "An error occured"
Ha ha right.

[Cidersomerset]

Giovanni posted this earlier, some good points mulled over
many already discussed on this thread. There is always money
involved and he has some interesting points about Royal
Dutch Shell and there involvement in the area. Also points
out Israel started its assault on Gaza within hours of the plane
downing, which did take some of the initial focus off that slaughter,
plus other views brought up......

=============================================

From James Corbett ~ MH17 And Plane Crashes Of Convenience

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gWlAARb0fN4

From The Corbett Report

"When Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 went down on July 17, 2014, we were
immediately inundated with base propaganda trying to convince us that
the shootdown could be traced back to the Kremlin. But what was this
rush to judgement based on? What have we learned about the crash
since then? Why has MH17 completely disappeared from the news cycle?
And who really stood to benefit from the disaster? Find out the answers to
these questions and more in this week's edition of The Corbett Report."

Show notes and MP3: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=11947

Published on Aug 26, 2014



Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gWlAARb0fN4

[Cidersomerset]

27 August 2014 Last updated at 00:04

Ukraine crisis: Poroshenko and Putin hold direct talks



The Ukrainian and Russian presidents have held their first direct talks on the crisis
in eastern Ukraine, but there appears to be no breakthrough.

Ukraine's leader Petro Poroshenko said a "roadmap" would be prepared as soon as
possible to end fighting between Ukrainian troops and separatists. Vladimir Putin
said Russia would assist a dialogue, but stopping the fighting was a matter for
Ukraine itself.Ukraine accuses Russia of arming the rebels, a claim denied by the
Kremlin.Prior to their one-to-one meeting in Belarusian capital Minsk, the two
leaders also took part in discussions with the EU's top diplomat Catherine Ashton.

The summit comes after 10 Russian soldiers were seized in Ukraine's east.

More than 2,000 people have died in fighting between Ukrainian forces and
separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk.The two regions declared independence from
Kiev following Russia's annexation of the southern Crimean peninsula from Ukraine
in March.

Read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28940095
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In search of peace: Putin & Poroshenko shake hands at key Ukraine talks

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=I-ZeuTLrQUs

Published on 26 Aug 2014


Russian President Vladimir Putin has arrived in Minsk for talks with the leaders of the
member states of the Eurasian Customs Union, Ukraine and representatives of the EU.

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'E. Ukraine independence vote could be a compromise' - Sir Richard Branson

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AVlXuYPoF8o

Published on 24 Aug 2014


Watch the full episode here: http://youtu.be/7DP1JHsarjg

Russia and the West are locked into geopolitical tit for tat over Ukraine, and
with both sides escalating the sanctions game, businesses are suffering. But
can businessmen mediate between political leaders to reach a peaceful solution
to the conflict? And how helpful are sanctions in achieving that goal? Oksana is
joined by Sir Richard Branson, the founder of Virgin Group, to negotiate these issues.

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Russia to send another humanitarian convoy to Ukraine

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NWBt9VdhULQ

Published on 25 Aug 2014


Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has announced plans for a second humanitarian
convoy to be sent to eastern Ukraine, urging all foreign actors and agencies to participate.
READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/wd4kzx

Russian humanitarian aid distributed in Lugansk

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RkDPyVjyCsk

Published on 25 Aug 2014


With heavy fighting underway in south-eastern Ukraine, the distribution of humanitarian
aid from Russia has started in the city of Lugansk, which is besieged by the Kiev forces.
READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/8co41j


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Wasteland: Devastation and breadlines behind Ukraine's frontlines

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q4-N0I8zpm4

Published on 26 Aug 2014


Weeks of fighting and shelling have left thousands of people in the East struggling
to find any food. Russian humanitarian aid is being distributed in Lugansk, with anti-
government forces also handing out supplies to the struggling citizens of Donetsk.



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Refinery blazes as heavy shelling hits outskirts of Donetsk

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kykXnMpjizQ

Published on 25 Aug 2014


Ukrainian city of Makeevka in Donetsk region came under artillery fire on Monday
morning. A large plume of black smoke could be seen for miles, as firefighters
struggled to control the blaze.

[Cidersomerset]

A discussion about how we got to where we are now
where Russia has been standing up to NATO for their
own interests that were lapsed after the collapse
of communism and the wests encroachment on her
borders over the last 24 years.

Which explains another piece of this strategic puzzle.

Ray MC Govern raises the point a couple times NATO
needs a real enemy for the up keep of the mil ind
complex not only in the Us but Europe...

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CrossTalk: Russia's Worldview (ft. Ray McGovern)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lspli7CubV8

Published on 25 Aug 2014


Russia's worldview of international politics is largely neglected in western media.
Nevertheless, Russia has its national interests and red lines. What is the world
according to Russia? CrossTalking with Martin McCauley, Nebojsa Malic and Ray McGovern.

[gripreaper]

At the end, James mentions his Federal Reserve Documentary. I've not seen or heard anything about it. Has it been featured here at Avalon, and if so, has anyone commented on it?

I am in total agreement, that this is central to the proliferation of the entire global military industrial complex and should be the main focus for awakening the masses. Until we get that done, the rest pales in comparison.

Sorry to hijack this thread. He also did an excellent job on MH17 as well.