Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[Lifebringer]

Well...just now on MSM, they stated the plane was struck by "high energy weapons. On channel 6 just before the news of the flooding in AZ. Amazing disclosure if they just told that that plane was bought down that way, perhaps the bright flash before 370 disappeared off the map, may be a clue. Let's hope they left another breadcrumb to follow to their prosecution.

[Hervé]

From Dutch Safety Board: http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/onde...17-crash#fasen


September 9, 2014
The Dutch Safety Board has issued the preliminary report on the investigation into the crash of MH17 on Tuesday September 9, 2014. The preliminary report presents factual information based on the sources available to the Dutch Safety Board.

In the months to come further investigation is needed before the final report can be written. The Dutch Safety Board expects to publish the final report within a year after the crash.

Click here (YouTube) to watch the explanation of the premliminary report by Chairman Tjibbe Joustra.


Preliminary report

• Persberichten 9 sep. 2014 Preliminary report points towards external cause of MH17 crash
  
  
  No evidence of technical faults
  
  Flight MH17 with a Boeing 777-200 operated by Malaysia Airlines broke up in the air probably as the result of structural damage caused by a large number of high-energy objects that penetrated the aircraft from outside. This is mentioned in the preliminary report on the investigation into the crash of MH17 that has been published today by the Dutch Safety Board. There are no indications that the MH17 crash was caused by a technical fault or by actions of the crew.
  
  The cockpit voice recorder, the flight data recorder and data from air traffic control all suggest that flight MH17 proceeded as normal until 13:20:03 (UTC), after which it ended abruptly. A full listening of the communications among the crew members in the cockpit recorded on the cockpit voice recorder revealed no signs of any technical faults or an emergency situation. Neither were any warning tones heard in the cockpit that might have pointed to technical problems. The flight data recorder registered no aircraft system warnings, and aircraft engine parameters were consistent with normal operation during the flight. The radio communications with Ukrainian air traffic control confirm that no emergency call was made by the cockpit crew. The final calls by Ukrainian air traffic control made between 13.20:00 and 13.22:02 (UTC) remained unanswered.
  
  The pattern of wreckage on the ground suggests that the aircraft split into pieces during flight (an in-flight break up). Based on the available maintenance history the airplane was airworthy when it took off from Amsterdam and there were no known technical problems. The aircraft was manned by a qualified and experienced crew.
  
  Pattern of damage
  As yet it has not been possible to conduct a detailed study of the wreckage. However, the available images show that the pieces of wreckage were pierced in numerous places. The pattern of damage to the aircraft fuselage and the cockpit is consistent with that which may be expected from a large number of high-energy objects that penetrated the aircraft from outside. It’s likely that this damage resulted in a loss of structural integrity of the aircraft, leading to an in-flight break up. This also explains the abrupt end to the data registration on the recorders, the simultaneous loss of contact with air traffic control and the aircraft's disappearance from radar.
  
  Further investigation
  In its preliminary report, the Safety Board presents the initial findings of an investigation that is still fully underway. More research will be necessary to determine more precisely what caused the crash and how the airplane disintegrated. The Board believes that additional evidence will become available in the period ahead. From this point on, the research team will start working towards producing the definitive investigation report. The Board aims to publish the report within one year of the date of the crash.
  
  Procedure
  The draft preliminary report has been sent to the Accredited Representative of the states that participate in the investigation (Malaysia, Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, the United States of America and Australia) for review. All Accredited Representatives have sent a reaction. The Dutch Safety Board assessed the provided suggestions and amended the report where appropriate.
  
  Tjibbe Joustra, Chairman of the Dutch Safety Board
  “The MH17 crash has shocked the world and raised many questions. The Dutch Safety Board wishes to determine the cause of the crash, for the sake of the loved ones of the victims and for society at large.”
  
  “The initial results of the investigation point towards an external cause of the MH17 crash. More research will be necessary to determine the cause with greater precision. The Safety Board believes that additional evidence will become available for investigation in the period ahead.”
  
  “The preliminary report issues the first findings in a ongoing investigation. From this point on, the investigation team will be working towards producing its final report. The Board aims to publish this report within one year of the date of the crash.”
  
  Click here for press release in pdf

[Hervé]

I guess the only thing that can be said is that the "high energy objects" were going at supersonic speed in order to cut out communication recordings before a sonic boom could be recorded on the CVR...

... so much for Kiev's "explosive depressurization"... no data substantiating that one!


PS: Rapporten: 9 sep. 2014 Preliminary report - MH17 DOWNLOAD

[Cidersomerset]

MH17 broke up in mid-air due to external damage - Dutch preliminary report


Published time: September 09, 2014 08:06
Edited time: September 09, 2014 10:16
Get short URL



A Malaysian air crash investigator works at a crash site of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17
near the village of Hrabove (Grabovo), Donetsk region July 24, 2014 (Reuters/Maxim Zmeyev)


The MH17 crash was a result of structural damage caused by a large number of high-energy
objects that struck the Boeing from the outside, the preliminary report into the Malaysia
Airlines disaster in Ukraine said.

“Flight MH17 with a Boeing 777-200 operated by Malaysia Airlines broke up in the air probably
as the result of structural damage caused by a large number of high-energy objects that
penetrated the aircraft from outside,” the Dutch Safety Board said in its preliminary report.

Dutch investigators added that “there are no indications” that the tragedy was triggered
“by a technical fault or by actions of the crew.”

‘We need more analysis to investigate the crash” – Malaysian minister

Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said on Tuesday that more analysis was
needed to investigate the crash.

“We want to further analyze the data and the wreckage,” he said, adding that more
details were needed so that the authorities “will bring the perpetrators to justice.”

The Malaysia Airlines plane en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur with 298 people
aboard crashed in Ukraine's Donetsk region on July 17. The majority of those on the
plane – which was allegedly shot down – were citizens of the Netherlands.


Plane was ‘split into pieces during flight’

The cockpit voice recorder, the flight data recorder and data from air traffic control all
suggest that flight MH17 proceeded as normal until 13:20:03 GMT, after which it ended abruptly.

The cockpit crew made no emergency call, the radio communications with Ukrainian
air traffic control shows.


“The final calls by Ukrainian air traffic control made between 13.20:00 and 13.22:02
[GMT] remained unanswered,” the report said.




Image from onderzoeksraad.nl

The plane was “split into pieces during flight,” the investigators said, based on the analysis
of the pattern of wreckage on the ground.

The Dutch investigators said that “available images show that the pieces of wreckage were
pierced in numerous places.”

The report emphasizes that investigators haven’t yet had the chance to recover the components
for forensic investigation.

However, the photos taken from the wreckage “indicated that the material around the holes
was deformed in a manner consistent with being punctured by high-energy objects,” the
report said. “The characteristics of the material deformation around the puncture holes
appear to indicate that the objects originated from the outside the fuselage.”

The fact that the plane was damaged from the outside “also explains the abrupt end to the
data registration on the recorders, the simultaneous loss of contact with air traffic control
and the aircraft's disappearance from radar,” the report says.




Part of the inside cockpit roof, indicating penetration with objects outside (Image from onderzoeksraad.nl)

The report says that the flight recorder was “found damaged but the internal memory module was intact.”

“The external damage found on the [flight data recorder] was consistent with impact damage.”

The radar data from the aircraft shows that “three commercial aircraft were in the same
Control Area” as the Malaysia Airlines plane.

“At 13.20 UTC [GMT] the distance between the closest aircraft and MH17 was approximately
30 kilometers,” the document says.



Cockpit voice recorder. (onderzoeksraad.nl)

Dutch investigators concluded that the Malaysian airliner was flying “in unrestricted airspace above
the restricted area mentioned by the latest NOTAM [Notice to Airmen].” Commercial flights were
restricted in the area below the flight level of FL320, MH17 was flying at FL330.

Full report to be released ‘within a year of the crash’ – Dutch Safety Board

Tjibbe Joustra, chairman of the Dutch Safety Board, said that the plane tragedy in eastern Ukraine
“shocked the world and raised many questions.”

“The initial results of the investigation point towards an external cause of the MH17 crash,” he said.
“More research will be necessary to determine the cause with greater precision. The Safety Board
believes that additional evidence will become available for investigation in the period ahead.”

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gCh2ZsmS_Eg

Joustra said that the Dutch Safety Board’s full report will be published in summer 2015, “within one
year of the date of the crash.”

In the meantime, the Russian Federal Aviation Agency said that the Dutch report marks the beginning
of a thorough investigation of the plane crash.

“The investigation of the crash site and the wreckage should be an important part of this work,” said
Oleg Storchevoy, the agency’s deputy head. “[We] need to investigate all the radiolocation data,
perform forensic expertise…. Without this information one can’t speak of any preliminary conclusions
concerning the tragedy.”

http://rt.com/news/186256-malaysia-a...-probe-report/

[Cidersomerset]

MH17 broke up in mid-air due to external damage - Dutch preliminary report


Published time: September 09, 2014 08:06
Edited time: September 09, 2014 10:16
Get short URL



A Malaysian air crash investigator works at a crash site of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17
near the village of Hrabove (Grabovo), Donetsk region July 24, 2014 (Reuters/Maxim Zmeyev)


The MH17 crash was a result of structural damage caused by a large number of high-energy
objects that struck the Boeing from the outside, the preliminary report into the Malaysia
Airlines disaster in Ukraine said.

“Flight MH17 with a Boeing 777-200 operated by Malaysia Airlines broke up in the air probably
as the result of structural damage caused by a large number of high-energy objects that
penetrated the aircraft from outside,” the Dutch Safety Board said in its preliminary report.

Dutch investigators added that “there are no indications” that the tragedy was triggered
“by a technical fault or by actions of the crew.”

‘We need more analysis to investigate the crash” – Malaysian minister

Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said on Tuesday that more analysis was
needed to investigate the crash.

“We want to further analyze the data and the wreckage,” he said, adding that more
details were needed so that the authorities “will bring the perpetrators to justice.”

The Malaysia Airlines plane en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur with 298 people
aboard crashed in Ukraine's Donetsk region on July 17. The majority of those on the
plane – which was allegedly shot down – were citizens of the Netherlands.


Plane was ‘split into pieces during flight’

The cockpit voice recorder, the flight data recorder and data from air traffic control all
suggest that flight MH17 proceeded as normal until 13:20:03 GMT, after which it ended abruptly.

The cockpit crew made no emergency call, the radio communications with Ukrainian
air traffic control shows.


“The final calls by Ukrainian air traffic control made between 13.20:00 and 13.22:02
[GMT] remained unanswered,” the report said.




Image from onderzoeksraad.nl

The plane was “split into pieces during flight,” the investigators said, based on the analysis
of the pattern of wreckage on the ground.

The Dutch investigators said that “available images show that the pieces of wreckage were
pierced in numerous places.”

The report emphasizes that investigators haven’t yet had the chance to recover the components
for forensic investigation.

However, the photos taken from the wreckage “indicated that the material around the holes
was deformed in a manner consistent with being punctured by high-energy objects,” the
report said. “The characteristics of the material deformation around the puncture holes
appear to indicate that the objects originated from the outside the fuselage.”

The fact that the plane was damaged from the outside “also explains the abrupt end to the
data registration on the recorders, the simultaneous loss of contact with air traffic control
and the aircraft's disappearance from radar,” the report says.




Part of the inside cockpit roof, indicating penetration with objects outside (Image from onderzoeksraad.nl)

The report says that the flight recorder was “found damaged but the internal memory module was intact.”

“The external damage found on the [flight data recorder] was consistent with impact damage.”

The radar data from the aircraft shows that “three commercial aircraft were in the same
Control Area” as the Malaysia Airlines plane.

“At 13.20 UTC [GMT] the distance between the closest aircraft and MH17 was approximately
30 kilometers,” the document says.



Cockpit voice recorder. (onderzoeksraad.nl)

Dutch investigators concluded that the Malaysian airliner was flying “in unrestricted airspace above
the restricted area mentioned by the latest NOTAM [Notice to Airmen].” Commercial flights were
restricted in the area below the flight level of FL320, MH17 was flying at FL330.

Full report to be released ‘within a year of the crash’ – Dutch Safety Board

Tjibbe Joustra, chairman of the Dutch Safety Board, said that the plane tragedy in eastern Ukraine
“shocked the world and raised many questions.”

“The initial results of the investigation point towards an external cause of the MH17 crash,” he said.
“More research will be necessary to determine the cause with greater precision. The Safety Board
believes that additional evidence will become available for investigation in the period ahead.”

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gCh2ZsmS_Eg

Joustra said that the Dutch Safety Board’s full report will be published in summer 2015, “within one
year of the date of the crash.”

In the meantime, the Russian Federal Aviation Agency said that the Dutch report marks the beginning
of a thorough investigation of the plane crash.

“The investigation of the crash site and the wreckage should be an important part of this work,” said
Oleg Storchevoy, the agency’s deputy head. “[We] need to investigate all the radiolocation data,
perform forensic expertise…. Without this information one can’t speak of any preliminary conclusions
concerning the tragedy.”

http://rt.com/news/186256-malaysia-a...-probe-report/

[Matt P]

Did you guys hear what Simon Parkes had to say about this? In an interview with Kerry, he said the plane's passengers were infected with some bioweapon and the plan was for it to crash in a city in Russia for this virus or whatever it was to be spread all over. Russia found out but the plane couldn't be hit with a missile because that would have had the same effect. The only way to bring it down was by having it hit the ground. Simon said there were two Ukrainian jets (who is controlling them currently?) acting as chaperones and that a missile was fired just to scare them away, after which a Russian fighter or two did come in and hit the cockpit with cannon fire in order to disable the pilots and cause the crash. The evidence of holes all over the cockpit is consistent with this. Simon says Russia did in fact bring the plane down, obviously for justifiable reasons. He explains many other things that have relevance here but I would probably screw it all up...so have a listen yourselves and see what you think.

http://projectcamelotportal.com/vide...ish-councillor

Upon hearing about the various conditions of the bodies at the crash site, I suspect this might actually have been flight 370 from a couple months ago. Of course, this is all just food for thought. I have no friggin idea!

Matt

[Cidersomerset]

MH17 penetrated from outside by hi-energy objects, broke up mid-air - probe

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kwpA3mksnvE

Published on 9 Sep 2014


The MH17 crash was a result of structural damage caused by a large number of
high-energy objects that struck the Boeing from the outside, the preliminary
report into the Malaysia Airlines disaster in Ukraine said. DETAILS: http://on.rt.com/ejtt3e


=====================================================

Back to MH17 crash site: Parts still there, early probe results soon

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jKjsx4-b3r8

Published on 9 Sep 2014


Dutch investigators are set to release the first results of the probe into July's tragic Malaysian
plane crash in Ukraine. RT's Paula Slier visited the site, where the plane came down.

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Back to MH17 crash site: Parts still there, early probe results soon

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JGMF-5K6UMk

Published on 8 Sep 2014


The ceasefire between the Ukrainian army and self-defense forces is “still shaky, but holds
the OSCE stated. The fighters are still skeptical of the peace process, but they are hoping
for the war to end. READ MORE:

[Cidersomerset]

MH17 penetrated from outside by hi-energy objects, broke up mid-air - probe

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kwpA3mksnvE

Published on 9 Sep 2014


The MH17 crash was a result of structural damage caused by a large number of
high-energy objects that struck the Boeing from the outside, the preliminary
report into the Malaysia Airlines disaster in Ukraine said. DETAILS: http://on.rt.com/ejtt3e


=====================================================

Back to MH17 crash site: Parts still there, early probe results soon

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jKjsx4-b3r8

Published on 9 Sep 2014


Dutch investigators are set to release the first results of the probe into July's tragic Malaysian
plane crash in Ukraine. RT's Paula Slier visited the site, where the plane came down.

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[Agape]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/flight-mh1...3.html#6Ce1myL

Flight MH17 Downed By 'High-Energy Objects'

Crash investigators say flight MH17 was probably downed by "a large number of high-energy objects".
An initial report by the Dutch Safety Board, which is leading the investigation into the July 17 disaster, found it likely the Malaysia Airlines plane broke up in the air as a result of "structural damage", caused by the items which "penetrated the aircraft from outside".
Available images showed pieces of the aircraft fuselage were pierced in numerous places, while the pattern of wreckage on the ground, scattered over a large area, indicated it had broken up in flight.
This would also explain the abrupt end to the recording of flight data on the plane's black boxes, the loss of contact with air traffic control, and the plane's disappearance from radar.
The report said: "There are no indications that the MH17 crash was caused by a technical fault or by actions of the crew."
All 298 passengers and crew on board the plane were killed when the aircraft, which was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur over an area in eastern Ukraine controlled by pro-Russian separatists.
Following the publication of the report, the rebels denied they had the military equipment capable of bringing down a passenger plane.....



What is 'high energy objects' ? Beam weapon ?

[TargeT]

Posted by Agape (here)
What is 'high energy objects' ? Beam weapon ?

AKA shrapnel, (fast moving objects = high energy objects) its just another way to describe high kinetic energy objects or fast moving objects... basically a missile exploded near the aircraft and showered it with shrapnel (or at least that's the most probable right now).

[Billy]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
What is 'high energy objects' ? Beam weapon ?

AKA shrapnel, (fast moving objects = high energy objects) its just another way to describe high kinetic energy objects or fast moving objects... basically a missile exploded near the aircraft and showered it with shrapnel (or at least that's the most probable right now).

Or a fighter jet riddled it.

[Agape]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
What is 'high energy objects' ? Beam weapon ?

AKA shrapnel, (fast moving objects = high energy objects) its just another way to describe high kinetic energy objects or fast moving objects... basically a missile exploded near the aircraft and showered it with shrapnel (or at least that's the most probable right now).

I know that's the prevailing theory but to me 'high energy objects' sounds like something faster .

[TargeT]

Posted by Billy (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
What is 'high energy objects' ? Beam weapon ?

AKA shrapnel, (fast moving objects = high energy objects) its just another way to describe high kinetic energy objects or fast moving objects... basically a missile exploded near the aircraft and showered it with shrapnel (or at least that's the most probable right now).

Or a fighter jet riddled it.

Hole size, inconsistency and damage done seems to strongly indicate Air to Air missile.

Posted by Agape (here)

I know that's the prevailing theory but to me 'high energy objects' sounds like something faster .

Looks pretty "typical" nothing Atypical (except for all the official "lies" piled on top of this situation) aluminum melts at a fairly low temp, anything super high energy would leave different evidence.

[Hervé]

Now that we "know," according to that preliminary report, that there was nothing unusual along the flight, whether it be from ATC exchanges, CVR or FDR; the end result defies all statistics:

How come a SAM or AAM could disable a 4 X redundant Fly By Wire automatic system all at once... unless sabotaged?

[Agape]

Posted by TargeT (here)
[

Hole size, inconsistency and damage done seems to strongly indicate Air to Air missile.

See , and that could be about anything they want to have tested these days that would confuse the evidence ..

All that the people inside saw before it went down was probably flash of light anyway ..


Air to air missile sounds somewhat more logical to me as well.

[Hervé]

...


20mm canon shots from F-16 jet fighter
(SU-25s are equipped with 30mm canons)


Shrapnel, i.e. "machine-gunned" as with a HANDHELD sub-machine gun
(assassination attempt by shrapnel bomb, target survived)




Surface-Air Missile (SAM) shrapnel damages... safely landed


SAVVY?

[Cidersomerset]

'Target started falling apart' MH17 radio transcript released

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=J66ySGDAfn0

Published on 9 Sep 2014


The report on MH17 Boeing 777 crash provides a transcript of communications
between the pilots and ground control minutes before the crash.

[Cidersomerset]

'Target started falling apart' MH17 radio transcript released

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=J66ySGDAfn0

Published on 9 Sep 2014


The report on MH17 Boeing 777 crash provides a transcript of communications
between the pilots and ground control minutes before the crash.

[Cidersomerset]

Poroshenko promises Donetsk, Lugansk special status inside Ukraine

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JUas0rNn75I

Published on 10 Sep 2014


Kiev will not acknowledge any kind of independence of the self-proclaimed Donetsk
and Lugansk People’s Republics, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko told the
government. The draft law states that they will remain parts of a unitary Ukraine,
the president said.

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'E.Ukraine offensive went bad, too late for Donetsk, Lugansk 'special status'

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GQmtEQXPQ90

Published on 10 Sep 2014


On the 5th day of the ceasefire in Eastern Ukraine, President Poroshenko has announced moves towards a
possible change of status for Lugansk and Donetsk republics. World affairs journalist Neil Clark believes this
'special status' deal to the regions is vague and could be used by the Ukrainian army to regroup.

==================================================


CrossTalk: West vs Russia (ft. Ray McGovern)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gEMjiTgZKyg

Published on 10 Sep 2014


A troubled relationship or a transforming international system? As the West and Russia
turn away from each other, can we expect more tensions or merely indifference? And is
this a divorce or just a long-term separation?

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Satellite Images of Alleged Russian Artillery in Ukraine Come A-Cropper

Wednesday 10th September 2014 at 08:11 By david-icke


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Washington’s seedy propaganda campaign

Satellite Images of Alleged Russian Artillery in Ukraine Come A-Cropper

Tue, 09/09/2014 - 11:05
by: Dave Lindorff


‘In the ongoing propaganda campaign mounted by the Obama administration to
claim that Russia has “invaded” Ukraine from the east, it offered up some grainy
black-and-white satellite images purporting to show heavy Russian military
equipment inside the Ukraine.’

I earlier noted how unlikely it was that heavy mobile artillery pieces would be set
up in a perfect line in what appeared to be a field of crops, with, as the government
claimed, cannons aimed towards Ukrainian positions in toward the west. As I
pointed out, there was no sign of piles of ammunition alongside these “units” as we
routinely see in closeups of heavy mobile artillery -- for example in photos of IDF
pieces positioned outside of Gaza. I also noted the unlikelihood that such
equipment would have been set up in an open field, unprotected by trees or other
cover, and lined up to make for easy targeting by enemy artillery or air attack.

Now an alert reader from the agricultural state of Texas (Laredo, TX to be precise),
has sent a note suggesting out that what the supposedly incriminating images most
likely show are combines in a field of grain or some other crop planted in rows. He
sent along photos showing harvesters, which of course feature a long,
straight “cannon-like” tube which is used to shoot the harvested grain up and into
an accompanying truck to be hauled off to market or to a storage silo.

As he points out, these harvesters are typically run in groups which often work in
parallel, an explanation that does a much better job of explaining the precision
alignment of the machines visible in the US government’s image than do mobile artillery units.

Now maybe the released satellite images do show Russian artillery, but given
Washington's extensive history of abject lying in the interest of promoting its war
agenda (think Gulf of Tonkin, Iraq WMDs and mobil poison gas factories, Assad gas
attacks in Damascus, etc.), it's worth taking the claim with a "grain" of...well, in
this case actual grain.






Combines or cannons? From 100 miles up, Washington's 'clear evidence' of Russian
heavy artillery in the Ukraine starts looking a little 'corny'. Are these mobile heavy
artillery pieces or harvesting combines in a field of maize

http://thiscantbehappening.net/node/2449

[Hervé]

Well, well, well:

The most interesting news came from the chairman of the Dutch safety board. He explained to the press that metal fragments (using the word 'shrapnel' would imply missile parts) were recovered from the bodies of the pilots and these fragments were now being investigated whether these are parts of the airplanes or something else.

... gonna have to wait over 1/2 a year now to get that question answered...