Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[Agape]

Posted by Pris (here)
Yes... are we seeing MH370 here? Was it substituted in -- to 'replace' flight MH17... a way to destroy the evidence and kill all the people on board?!

Was this some kind of a setup to appear like a missile hit?!

Me too I'm having sort of 'deja vu' but don't think this is correct version . The passengers were different people ..

[Zionbrion]

Hey Jerry you should just post stuff like this in the other thread. Sorry to should on you.

[SilentFeathers]

Personally, I don't think this flight MH17 was/is the missing MH370 Boeing 777.....for some reason though Israel keeps popping in to my mind. It's beyond coincidence that 2 Malaysian flights now have been downed in the last four months. Convienent this time though for Israel to have the world focused on Ukraine and this shot down flight while they turn Gaza in to a pile of rubble stained red....

[Roisin]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Pris (here)
Yes... are we seeing MH370 here? Was it substituted in -- to 'replace' flight MH17... a way to destroy the evidence and kill all the people on board?!

Was this some kind of a setup to appear like a missile hit?!

Me too I'm having sort of 'deja vu' but don't think this is correct version . The passengers were different people ..

Right, it's like Groundhog Day.

At any rate, that this second Malaysian Airline incident occurred where it did today. Not to mention all of the political ramifications of that especially between the US and Russia, may have been all planned out to provide a diversion from the real reason why that plane was shot down. IOW, it's just a noisy clashing of loud drums to obfuscate the background music which I think threads a strong link between what happened today and what happened on March 8th.

Not that 370 was shot down too but I don't think it's a coincidence that the plane that was shot down today was a Malaysian Airliner too. There's a link there and it should be investigated. I'm not seeing anything in the media about that either. So that in itself is raising a lot of red flags. The talking heads on the news are totally leaving out any connections between both incidents.

[Pris]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Pris (here)
Yes... are we seeing MH370 here? Was it substituted in -- to 'replace' flight MH17... a way to destroy the evidence and kill all the people on board?!

Was this some kind of a setup to appear like a missile hit?!

Me too I'm having sort of 'deja vu' but don't think this is correct version . The passengers were different people ..

How has this been confirmed -- and by whom? How do we 'trust' anything we are told?

[bbj3n546pt]

From the FlightAware website:
http://flightaware.com/news/article/...in-Ukraine/195

“Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MAS370/MH370) from Amsterdam (AMS) to Kuala Lumpur (KUL) has crashed over Ukraine. The flight was operated by a Boeing 777-200 with registration/tail number 9M-MRD.

The flight left the gate at Amsterdam at 12:14p CEST and took off from the runway at 12:30p CEST for an estimated landing around 5:50am MYT. Our last position was at 13:20 UTC (9:20 EDT) just West of the Eastern border of Ukraine (48.135, 38.503) and the flight was cruising normally at 33,000 feet. This part of the world has limited coverage for us, so gaps of minutes or even an hour are not uncommon. I attached a flight tracking map with the green line depicting the route flown.” Flight map is at:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/M...000Z/EHAM/WMKK

Note: The FlightAware website is one of the better flight tracking sites.

[khissi]

Summary:
Boing 777
Flight MH17 crashed on 17.7.2014 ... 2+1+4=7 ... (17 7 7)
MH17 first flight on 17.7.1997 - 17 years ago.
TWA800 down on 17.7.1996 ... 1+9+9+6=2+5=7... (17 7 7)
Time incident 17:17h local time (uncofirmed) last radar log around 13.20h GMT+4, but could have already be falling a few minutes earlier.

TOO MANY COINCIDENCES.
Clearly, this has been preplaned or (not likely) a giant cosmic coincidence.

[thunder24]

do any of the people in these lists have friends/acquaintences in the intelligence community...?

Board of directors:
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/us/e...directors.html

Senior Management (local):
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/us/e...ent-local.html

Senior Management (overseas):
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/us/e...-overseas.html

How about connections to high level banking....

[ghostrider]

did the propaganda machine actually show dead bodies ??? The camera man was pretty quick on scene wasn't he ??? He had some good vantage points in a war zone , that's all I'm saying ...

[Agape]

Posted by Pris (here)

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Pris (here)
Yes... are we seeing MH370 here? Was it substituted in -- to 'replace' flight MH17... a way to destroy the evidence and kill all the people on board?!

Was this some kind of a setup to appear like a missile hit?!

Me too I'm having sort of 'deja vu' but don't think this is correct version . The passengers were different people ..

How has this been confirmed -- and by whom? How do we 'trust' anything we are told?

We've had long thread here on the MA370 incident that's not been recovered till now, list of passengers together with their photos was published in open and their relatives are still mourning if not searching for them .

You'll see that these people too have relatives , they passed through airport security checkpoint at Schiphol , IDs are recovered from the crash side together with remains of bodies .

It's all very sad . But I think that 'common reasoning' prevails here, I can't speak for all but as far as I'm concerned, truth is often stranger than a fiction - that does not mean that every 'conspiracy' is automatically more plausible truth .
We 're not competing in 'creating conspiracies' . Though open minded thinking is always welcome ..


Hope I've not offended you anyhow .

[jerry]

Russian separatists supposedly claim responsibility

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g

to me this was expected, but from what we know for several sources none of these separatist groups had fire power to shoot down such a high plane. False flag for the sheeple to pile on for justice and nail Russians to the cross for something that globalist backing Ukraine most likely did IMHO

and of course comment from utube have been suspended

[Sunny-side-up]

Just watching this on RT, seeing repeated image feed of the the wreckage. What is striking me is that you keep seeing bodies laying and slumped and on the ground where they fell! also see people just standing around like they are guarding the area but! no one seems to be checking for survivors or signs of life? Still little pieces of fire burning? also a nice neat little pile of passports Hmm? this wreckage all looks staged again to me 0.o

Hmm! news reader just pointed out the coincidences/alignments of the first and last dates of this plane.

[Zionbrion]

Its very strange that the MMS seems to know so much about this flight crash, but still is yet to know or confirm who all the passengers on the plane actually are?!?

[jackovesk]

Hot News Release: NWO Attempted Assassination of Vladimir Putin, But Got the Wrong Plane? It Looks That Way! (Breaking News Videos)

Thursday, July 17, 2014



New information reveals that President Valdimir Putin’s plane may have been the target of an attempted assassination! He is doing many things right and standing strong for what is moral in this world. Furthermore, he is going against the grain of the New World Order, and we all know they don’t like that!

NWO Attempted Assassination of Vladimir Putin–It Certainly Looks That Way!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sZVnPwr8zj8

RT News reports:

Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax news agency reports citing sources.“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft – 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.

“The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical”, the source added. http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/



Is it possible that the Malaysian plane that went down was meant to be his? Did they try to assassinate him? Watch the facts stated in the videos below, because it certainly appears that way!

Check out this breaking video news footage and see for yourself!

RT NEWS LINK: http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/ (Please check out for full details)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dH4pJVFixhw

President Putin’s plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile – sources
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-pl…

Obama on the phone with Putin as a Jetliner is taken down. Was this a planned assassination fail?

BRICS establish $100bn bank and currency pool to cut out Western dominance
http://rt.com/business/173008-brics-b…

Faced With Western Freeze-Out, BRICS Bank Is a Coup for Russia

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xcq81IlZczo

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...o-2994596.html

PS - Nice ((Alibi)) Barry...

Obama on the phone with Putin as a Jetliner is taken down. Was this a planned assassination fail?

Ukraine + BRICS = NWO Banksters

False-Flag WARNING..!!!

PSS - Now watch this story UNFOLD

Media War (West vs Russia)

Watch what Putin says when he will be ((FORCED to EXPOSE)) the False-Flag Event..!

This is NOT going to play out the way the NWO/BANKSTERS expect...

[jerry]

6 reasons to question the official story of the Malaysian flight over Ukraine

Brandon Turbeville
Activist Post

With the recent shooting down of a Malaysian Boeing 777 over Ukraine, the Western media is aflame with fingerpointing at Russia and Ukrainian separatists. However, while NATO and its media mouthpieces attempt to rekindle the Cold War and ignite a confrontation with Russia, there exists a number of fundamental questions surrounding the events that have taken place in Eastern Ukraine.

Although not a detailed list, below are six reasons why one should question the official story of the Malaysian flight shot down over Ukraine.

1.) The Ukrainian separatists do not have the military hardware capable of shooting down an airplane at the height at which the Malaysian Boeing 777 was flying.

Ukrainian separatists are equipped with shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles which are capable of bringing down an airplane. This much is true. However, the systems believed to be possessed by the separatists are those such as the Igla missile system, which is incapable of hitting planes at the altitudes at which the Malaysian flight was flying. 33,000 feet is simply too high an altitude to be reached with the shoulder-fired missile delivery systems with which the Ukrainian separatists are currently outfitted.

There is no evidence to suggest that the separatists possess the BUK missile systems. At the time of the writing, this writer is not aware of any reports suggesting that separatists commandeered BUK missile launching systems from the Kiev fascist government forces; the only way they could have acquired them unless given the BUK by Russia, which itself is highly unlikely given Russian strategic concerns.





2.) The Kiev forces do have the BUK missile launching system.

While separatist forces are not known to possess missile systems as advanced as the BUK system, the Kiev forces most certainly do.

The BUK system, which requires transportation and mounting on a tracked vehicle or large truck, is not likely to be in the hands of rebels surviving on Russian small arms and other basic forms of military and tactical aid. BUK is much more the type of system that would be property of a national government.

If the Malaysian plane was shot down using the BUK system, it is the Kiev military forces that should immediately be investigated.

3.) Kiev moved its BUK system to the Donetsk area the day before

Reports emerging from Russian news agencies like ITAR-TASS suggest that the Kiev military moved its BUK missile systems into the area surrounding Donetsk on Wednesday, one day before the Malaysian flight was shot down allegedly using that very missile launching system.

The fact that the type of missiles allegedly used to shoot down the Malaysian flight were not only possessed by the Ukrainian military but moved to the very region and area where the shootdown occurred implicates the Kiev forces vastly more than it does the Russians or the Ukrainian separatists.

4.) The questions surrounding why the Malaysian flight was flying over the area to begin with.

As reported by The Atlantic, the Federal Aviation Administration placed an order prohibiting “American pilots, airlines, charter carriers, and everyone else over whom the FAA has direct jurisdiction, from flying over parts of Ukraine” nearly three months ago.

This flight prohibition clearly demonstrates that aviation authorities fully understood that this particular flight path was over a dangerous area. So why was the Malaysian flight flying over this area to begin with?

5.) The timing of the event.

The shooting down of the Malaysian flight conveniently comes only a day after claims by the Ukrainian military that Russia shot down a Ukrainian jet fighter over Ukrainian territory.

It also comes only days after the Western media seized on reports suggesting that the Russian government was considering targeted strikes inside Ukraine in order to protect the Ukrainian people, ethnic Russians, and Russian interests.

Lastly, it comes only hours after the United States issues a statement announcing yet another round of sanctions against Russia.

6.) ANOTHER Malaysian 777.

The fact that the flight shot down over Ukraine is the same type of flight that went missing over the Indian ocean only months before is a highly questionable coincidence. Such a coincidence is almost too big to be believed.

Given the track record of the United States, NATO, and governments in general throughout history, one must at least wonder whether or not the recent shootdown of the Malaysian flight over Ukraine was not simply a false flag designed to drum up national fervor and a new Cold War ultimately leading to a confrontation with Russia.

It is important for the Western public and the rest of the world to become more streetwise regarding incidents such as the Malaysian flight and that they immediately cease to accept an entirely discredited government and media’s explanations as truth.

[cursichella1]

Posted by Zionbrion (here)

Posted by cursichella1 (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I hear with my own ears, anderson cooper refer to the anniversary of flight 800 which was also "shot down by a missle".
Happened at 3 40 pm on cnn. Has anyone else heard this?

It is true. Are we surprised? http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...sary/12784535/

Malaysia crash shares anniversary with TWA Flight 800 USA TODAY - 2 hours ago Oddly, today's crash of a Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shares a date with another major airline disaster, the crash of TWA Flight 800 over Long ...

More numerology. TWA flight 800 crashed in 1996 so 1+9+9+6=25 2+5=7. 2014. 2+0+1+4=7.

Then there's the 295 passengers and crew. 2 + 9 + 5 = 16 1 + 6 =7

P.S. almost forgot...U.S.A. Today and others claiming the plane was at 33,000 feet when it was hit...you know, 33 degrees, uh huh

[Roisin]

Antonov-26 transport aircraft that was shot down close to the Russian border...
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ne-356007.html



Compare:

[jerry]

07.17 20:15 ET BREAKING: 2 Ukrainian Fighter Jets Allegedly Tailing Malaysian Air Flight MH17 Before Intercept



by John Galt
July 17, 2014 20:15 ET

Consider the fog of war please when reading all of the stories tonight as Russia, the Ukraine, the US and NATO all have their own interests in tilting world opinion and the story of this unfortunate incident to their propagandist favor.

However, if this story tonight which just broker via Russia’s ITAR-TASS news service verifies, then the Ukrainian government is guilty of endangering this flight by trying to sneak two fighters into combat by hiding behind the commercial passenger airliner.

2 Ukrainian fighters seen following Malaysian jet minutes before crash

MOSCOW, July 18, /ITAR-TASS/. Two Ukrainian fighters were following the passenger Boeing-777 of Malaysian Airlines several minutes before the crash, Russia’s television Channel One said on Friday, citing a tweet made a Spanish air traffic controller of Kiev’s airport Borispol.

According to the Spanish air traffic controller, two Ukrainian fighters had been seen near the Malaysian jet three minutes before it disappeared from radars.

This information is confirmed by eyewitnesses in the Donetsk region who saw Ukrainian warplanes near the passenger jet. They say they heard sounds of powerful blasts and saw a Ukraine warplane shortly before the crash.

A Boeing-777 of the Malaysian Airlines that was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, disappeared from the radars and crashed on Thursday evening near the settlement of Grabovo in Ukraine’s Donetsk region. All those who were onboard the plane – 280 passengers and 15 crew members – died. According to preliminary data, passengers included citizens of the Netherlands, the United States, Great Britain, France, and Malaysia. According to Russian Emergencies Minister Vladimir Puchkov, there were no Russians among the passengers.

If confirmed, President Poroshenko has some serious explaining to do.

[Tesseract]

It’s quite amazing. The fastest investigation and wrap up in air-disaster history. Within hours (or was it minutes?), the Ukrainian government broadcast its conclusion that eastern rebels shot down the plane. Also within hours, the US government made public its conclusion that the plane had been hit by a missile – will someone get a promotion for that speedy analysis? It sure beats examining the wreckage. Also, within hours of the tragedy, Ukraine intercepts, isolates, analyses, translates and publishes an incriminating phone call. The NSA must be envious of such efficiency . They even had the names and photographs of the interlocutors. There was no need to keep this interception private, as special evidence, evidence that needed to be checked. No, in this investigation the right thing to do was send it out on twitter at the earliest convenience. Within hours, leaders from all over the world have made their conclusions as well – for they too don’t need to wait for an examination of the wreckage, nor for the gathering of witness testimony, nor for the consideration of such minutiae as motive, means and opportunity. Quite amazing indeed.

[KiwiElf]

Malaysian 777 Shot Down Over Ukraine - VT

Thursday, July 17th, 2014
Posted by Gordon Duff

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07...-over-ukraine/

Israeli owned Fox News propagandizing for a World War, blames Russian ground based missiles
Getting Past the Lies

by Gordon Duff with Jim W. Dean, VT Editors


Scroll below for Oriental Review’s take on this event:

Unconfirmed: Malaysian plane mistaken for Putin’s private jet which had flown over the area only moments before, leaving Israel and the Kiev junta as prime suspects. This may well have been an assassination attempt on Putin.

We have people on the scene now (1:45PM EST) who have found a bag of passports and medical equipment. We will keep you updated.

With the beginning of the Israeli ground attack on Gaza, might they well claim the plane was:

1: An “Egyptian horse barge,” shot down by mistake

2: Spying on Israeli troop movements

(ref: USS Liberty Israeli cover stories)

From Mike Harris:
Malaysia hosted the war crimes tribunals which found George W Bush and company guilty as well as Israel guilty of war crimes, perhaps this is why they were targeted.

Update: If, as claimed a BUK missile was fired at Putin’s plane. President Putin’s version of Air Force One has extensive ECM modules capable of jamming incoming missiles. Were a missile fired at them and it locked on, ECM, as with America’s “Air Force One,” would jam the missile systems. It is also likely that Russia has a “back door” into all systems they build, such as the one the “Ukies” had deployed outside Donetsk..

We have no confirmation that Putin’s plane had a fighter escort but are assuming it did not. Were a missile to have hit the Malaysian plane, evidence will be easily discernible and missile wreckage should already have been found.

As to whether an air-to-air or ground-to-air missile is found to be the culprit, we should know in hours unless that is suppressed. Either way, John McCain’s childish threats, to only go after those responsible if they happen to be enemies of his “handlers,” was an unwise statement.

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Initial stories, traced back to Israeli intelligence, that a Russian jet is responsible for downing the Malaysian Airlines 777 with all aboard, are being disseminated to anyone stupid enough to listen. Showing their hand this early is a monumental blunder.

Here is what we have so far, unconfirmed. An American built F 15 fighter took off from an airfield in Azerbaijan. Back in 2010, Azerbaijan claimed that this and one other airfield was taken over by Armenian militants.

However, these two facilities were home to Israeli aircraft that relocated there as while participating in training exercises with the Turkish Air Force. Turkey allowed Israel to train pilots in strategic bombing in areas selected because they closely resembled potential Israeli targets in Iran.

Israel would send 8 aircraft in for training with the Turks, 6 would return to Israel, two went on to Azerbaijan in preparation for a planned air assault on Iran. To aid this effort, Saudi Arabia put out cover stories stating that it had denied Israeli requests to cross their territory to attack Iran.

These bases are supplied through the Georgian seaport of Poti. Armaments for the “attack that never happened” were offloaded in Poti by the USS Grapple in 2010 and shipped with help of Chechen extremists working with the Jamestown Foundation and Rand Corporation.

Those two organizations were recently found to be working with groups in Turkey in support of ISIS operations in Iraq as reported by Jeffrey Silverman, Veterans Today Bureau Chief working out of Tbilisi.

The reason for the attack on the airliner is not clear and can only be speculated on. This is an extremely serious incident. Pro-Russian separatists in the Ukraine have no air defense systems capable of operating that high, or a need for them with air ground attack being their main concern.

US surveillance which includes AWAC, drones and satellites is capable of detecting the launch of any air defense missile, ground based, capable of reaching the necessary 32,000 foot altitude.
real evidence doesn't "disappear"

Such a weapon would have been spotted in seconds and, as all such systems in the region are under continual surveillance due to the sensitive nature of the conflict and the history of allegations made, making claims we expect to be made outlandish.

There are questions. Why two Malaysian Airlines planes? If someone or something so threatening that this act was seen as ”reasonable and justified,” even by the Israelis, was undertaken, we will never hear the truth. Minimally, biological or chemical agents capable of global holocaust would have to have been onboard.

After the disappearance of Flight 370, author Chris Bollyn published photographs of a plane that looked identical to flight 370 stating that plane was in Israel and was likely to be used by that nation in a terror attack. The story, both fascinating and yet reeking of wild conspiracy theory, dominated alternative media for some time. There is now serious reason to reassess the story, why was it written, what were the sources and was it simply a hoax or tied to something far more serious.

The only other possibility is destabilization of the region and to push for a world war. It is reasonable to suggest that an Israeli plane was involved because we know they have the only clandestine capability within the region.

As to the plot or reason, simply blaming Israel is not supportable, no more than blaming Hamas for murdering the 3 children a few short weeks ago.

Thus, we assume these as high probability:

An aircraft was used, most likely an American built F15 because of range and capability.
Azerbaijan was used because we know of clandestine bases there, which were confirmed by military officers who defected to Iran in 2013.
We know Israel has some role, yet undefined, because they are spreading stories blaming Russia.
As this is a second Malaysian Airlines plane to go down, we look for false stories regarding Israel and Malaysian planes and reassess their meaning.
As is always the case, que bono, who benefits?

We ask readers to watch the world news and those in the region, report directly to our bureau there.

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Who shot down the Malaysian jet over Ukraine?

Fri, Jul 18, 2014

Phenomenon of Terrorism, Ukraine

By ORIENTAL REVIEW



On July 17, 2014 the madness of three-month-long Ukrainian military conflict in the East has brought the first shocking international consequence. At 3.20PM GMT the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777-200 jet flight #MH-17 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala-Lumpur disappeared inside the Ukrainian airspace right above the area of intense military combat in Donetsk region and crushed near Grabovo village, around 60 km to the east from Donetsk. All 285 passengers and 15 crew members have reportedly died.

According to data available the airliner “was moving at the altitude of 10,600 meters on the 350th flight level”. This flight level was opened for international transit flights, despite since July 8, 2014 the Ukrainian aviation authorities “did not recommend” international transit flights in the area below 302th level i.e. 9600 meters due to the “anti-terrorist operation” unleashed in the area involving Ukrainian pursuit aviation and air-defense capabilities in action. So formally the Malaysian company complied with the ruling of Ukrainian civil aviation authority although the security risk for the flight was evident.

The area of the catastrophe is indeed the epicentre of the ongoing fierce fighting between regular Ukrainian army units and rebellious armed militias of Novorossia opposing anti-constitutional February coup d’etat in Kiev. An informed source monitoring operational situation in the area has revealed earlier on Wednesday that a battery of Buk antiaircraft missile systems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was deployed near Donetsk.

At present, another battery of the same missile systems is being loaded in Kharkiv. The aircraft flying at the altitude of more than 10,000 meters might be hit only with weapons like S-300 or Buk. The militias don’t have such weapons, and cannot afford them as it was acknowledged even by the Ukrainian Defense minister Valery Galetey in a statement on another issue two days before the Flight MH-17 tragedy:

“…a “powerful weapon” must have been used to down the plane flying at 6,500 meters, an altitude the shoulder-fired missiles used by the separatists can’t reach.”

The Russian military expert Igor Korotchenko argues that the catastrophe in Donetsk was most likely caused by the incompetence and non-professionalism of the Ukrainian operators of the Buk systems during its testing after the battery was deployed in the new location. He said that the Ukrainian antiaircraft unit did not have any kind of proper training for the last 23 years since the collapse of Soviet Union.

What happened today is hardly the first case of “errant shooting” of the Ukrainian military on civilian air targets. On October 4, 2001 the Russian Siberia Airline flight #1812 Tel-Aviv-Novosibirsk carrying 66 passengers and 12 crew members was erroneously hit by a Ukrainian missile over the Black Sea during military exercises, which was eventually admitted by the Ukrainian side. No one on board survived.

So regardless the MH-17 incident was caused by the criminal negligence and incompetence of the Ukrainian military or deliberate (and reckless) Kiev’s provocation to put blame on Russia, the strong international committment to make Kiev immediately halt its punitive actions in Novorossia until all the circumstances of the tragedy are thoroughly investigated is urgently needed.