Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[Snoweagle]

This is the comment that David Icke alluded to by Kay Griggs, the American Senators daughter who married a senior warrior of US Special Forces whom she discovered was gorged by service to the necessary corruption to maintain his pathetic status of rank. The backbone of Freemasonry.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ch__UJaeLYo

This is awesome:
http://www.rense.com/general96/MH17.html

If those black boxes are given to the British (zionists) the truth will never come out. Malaysia should find an independent arbitrator to do this evaluation. If the British are afforded the responsibility, an alternative version to the truth will already have been created.

The fact that suspicion governs the "freshness" of the bodies at the Ukraine crash scene from a plane that embarked from Schipol airport and the bodies are being returned to the same starting point beggars belief that this be allowed. They too should be independently scrutinised by an international group of morticians for full extensive forensic analysis to corroborate the full forensic inquiry.

[ktlight]

There is info coming out that demonstrates a connection to NATO, in that they were practising in the area where the plane was 'shot' down, as they were when MA317 disappeared.

[Hervé]

Posted by Snoweagle (here)
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This is awesome:
http://www.rense.com/general96/MH17.html

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Check post # 622 (<---) above

[spizella]

A spokesman for the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), Michael Bociurkiw, says the piece of fuselage that was found "appeared out of nowhere".

"The most significant find today was we went into a heavily wooded area and found a huge piece of fuselage," Mr Bociurkiw said.

"I think this is the part of the plane that came down which ... travellers would say resembles an airline. The windows were still intact and if one wanted to they could even climb inside and be covered.

"It almost appeared out of nowhere because there were no tell-tale signs, no broken branches, nothing to indicate that a piece of fuselage had landed there."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-2...charge/5622860

[Hervé]

Said pictures from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-Ukraine.html

Now, the shrapnel...

... from "outside"? Or from "inside"?

If I am not mistaken this piece comes from the cockpit windows, right side (looking forward)...

[Akasha]

Is this the smoking Gun?

Alleged satellite video footage of missile being launched:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sdqIDYnSNq8

Youtube "about" paragraph for the video translated using Google tranlsate:

UAV fixed point of the complex "Beech" in the infrared. Bandera caught this time specifically.
White field, because shooting is done in the thermal range and, accordingly, dark soil is strongly heated. For this reason, the cooling is fast disappearing from the rocket trail.
No need to argue, than survey was conducted, it is possible to land remote sensing satellite or high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft - is now kept secret and early to reveal sources. Video is published to those who need to know - control is maintained, videos - there.

And here is the confirmation went:
Deputy State Duma Speaker Sergei Neverov said to the collapse of Boeing-777 may be involved in the "right hand" Kolomoyskogo Yuri Birch.
Head sponsored by Mr. Kolomoisky punitive battalion "Dnepr" Yuri Birch - professional antiaircrafter. Coincidence is quite amusing, given that Kolomoyskogo who owns the airlines in Dnepropetrovsk, had every opportunity to make dispatchers reject Malaysian plane off course.

Perezalivat, because the original is permanently removed, it is also reuploaded.

Unfortunately the video doesn't reveal the location of the launch (a kind of important piece of the puzzle). Anyone wishing to pour over Google Maps/Earth to match the location, be my guest. Ukraine is quite big!

[Agape]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
I feel something even bigger coming/about to happen jackovest, like we haven't seen enough in the last week! sheesh, what a mess.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28481060

How odd is a cluster of plane accidents?

In the space of eight days, three passenger planes have been lost in mid-flight. A cluster of accidents so close together may seem an unlikely coincidence but is it?

The first accident happened on Thursday 17 July, when Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 fell from the sky over eastern Ukraine, apparently brought down by a missile. Seven days later a plane crashed in Taiwan (above), and on the eighth day another flight went down en route to Algeria from Burkina Faso. In all, 462 people are thought to have died.

Some people may suddenly be wondering how safe it is to fly.

But Harro Ranter, director of the Aviation Safety Network which catalogues plane crashes, says clusters of accidents are not unusual. Analysing the number and frequency of fatal crashes of aircraft capable of carrying 14 or more passengers since 1990, he finds there have been 45 dates when there have been two or more crashes (excluding collisions).

In 105 cases there have been accidents on consecutive days. In fact, he found it was more common for an accident to happen just one day after another crash than two, three or more days later.

Why might this be?

"It is essentially a coincidence, except for the technicality that adverse weather involving thunderstorms and typhoons is more common in some seasons than others," says Arnold Barnett, a Professor of Statistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

However, Barnett also draws attention to the theory of Poisson distribution, which implies that short intervals between crashes are actually more probable than long ones.

"Suppose that there is an average of one fatal accident per year, meaning that the chance of a crash on any given day is one in 365," says Barnett. "If there is a crash on 1 August, the chance that the next crash occurs one day later on 2 August is 1/365. But the chance the next crash is on 3 August is (364/365) x (1/365), because the next crash occurs on 3 August only if there is no crash on 2 August."

As each day passes, the likelihood of a fatal accident falls. "It seems counterintuitive, but the conclusion follows relentlessly from the laws of probability," Barnett says.

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The 'old weirdo' in Tennessee says ... ''it's the weather''.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=w9MN3g2Fjos

There were huge electrical storms in those days in the UK and good couple of us were feeling pretty unwell . Could well be a space interference ..

[GoodETxSG]

I just heard some info EARLY this morning among the info mentioned was the NATO (Who is already in the Ukraine as are a few BRICS Intel Agencies) info you hinted at. A few old contacts In that region know I am interested in what is going on and many are desperate to get "the real information out to the West" on what is going on, so if they find an ear they trust they will pepper it with info that has to be vetted...

Also a change or escalation in behavior of some of the regional BRICS Nations (Or a reaction as they may call it) after receiving some disturbing intelligence not meant for them and also in reaction to "The Plane Downing/False Flag" and other evidence found on the ground among the debris. (This Plane incident was "One in a string of pearls of failed false flags" in the last 18 months... many we don't even know about according to the person that used that "String of Pearl's" analogy...)

It appears that Russia's time of biting their lips and doing nothing but slipping quiet support and small weapons across the border while the Western Puppet Regime AKA the Ukraine Government continues to shell and actively shoot unarmed citizens/families (Russian Speaking or Heritage) in zones deemed "Pro Russian Terrorists" is coming to an end. It appears that Russia will follow their warning's to that "GOV." to spare citizens with actions and are already doing so.

The False Flag Plane incident may have backfired but it may have lit a fire under some of the other Countries and Groups that are growing wearing waiting for the fall of the Cabal and their Nazi Bully Tactic's until the end. Some believe enough is enough and it's time to go ahead and meet that tactic with like tactic, which could be a mistake...

But it's not my family and friends being slaughtered a few miles away (Not yet anyway, the US STATE DEPARTMENT SUPPORTED the SHELLING OF CITIZENS AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BRING BACK "UNITY" TO THE UKRAINE"... What would they be capable of here in the US when things get "Hairy"? One Guess!)...

So watch now for some shelling and rocket fire to come from the Russian Border which is from "Groups" within Russia not ordered directly, yet Putin will most likely own it and start making calls to over a hundred BRICS Nations to see if now is the time to pull the plug on the Western Economy all together.

One of the players that is not mentioned though it has a small part in the background is CHINA. China avoided being baited into war, helped with the Syria war "Bait and Hook" situation and is helping here as well...

The Israel & Gaza/Hamas issue is a blood bath that is going on with no intervention at an almost sacrificial blood letting level.

All of the things occurring right now even though they may not seem so are pretty inner related due to the planned BRICS movements and Reset that comes PRE- (Petro $) Western Economic Collapse. All sources are pointing to the fact that we are moving to a whole new level in this Global Struggle.

Per one of 2 sources I can get ahold of to verify this new info in the very region in question this morning... So I will stress this one as a "IMHO" and nothing more until cross checked.

I am really doubting that a CABAL transition to what ever system follows will come without war and bloodshed. It's just a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach...

Posted by ktlight (here)
There is info coming out that demonstrates a connection to NATO, in that they were practising in the area where the plane was 'shot' down, as they were when MA317 disappeared.

[MorningFox]

It's not really that odd...

List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rcial_aircraft

[Agape]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
It's not really that odd...

List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rcial_aircraft

They actually seem to go in clusters, at least some of them ... logically , there's no 'equal distribution' but also .. this may have something to do with either solar flares or other kinds of radiation affecting the atmosphere . Or else ..

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
It's not really that odd...

List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rcial_aircraft

I find MH370 very odd, MH17 very odd, and now this AH5017 in Mali, (crashing right after being diverted over a war zone) not just a little suspicious, but very odd.

The one in Taiwan (GE222) seems to be very much weather related, not much suspicion surrounding that crash, but the other 3, well, VERY odd.

We must consider AH5017 went down during an aviation alert over Israel because of a missile threat and while all carriers were avoiding the area there. Also many many countries are pissed right now with Israel and many of these countries contain radicals that'll shoot at anything that moves, especially if they think it has any western interests what so ever, including those fighters on the ground in Mali being suppressed by the French (coincidence half the passengers were French???). Also sand storms at 30,000ft???? Also diversion to avoid a collision? Collision with what? Storms? theres planes flying through and around storms daily and they don't all crash.

Anything that happens right now needs to be looked at with a sharp eye in my opinion, there's just too much going on right now and too many ingredients to cause motive to do such things.....and the pressure for war is escalating not de-escalating.

[Operator]

Posted by Snoweagle (here)
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If those black boxes are given to the British (zionists) the truth will never come out. Malaysia should find an independent arbitrator to do this evaluation. If the British are afforded the responsibility, an alternative version to the truth will already have been created.
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Same thoughts here as soon as I heard on the news that the Dutch OVV council handed the
black boxes over to the British to 'retrieve' the data.

The OVV declared that the black boxes were not tampered with ... to underline that the
data coming out of the investigation must be authentic ?

Give me a break. They hand it over to a country that declared that they would not have
to think twice about cancelling an arms deal with Russia if they were in the same position
as France. Who was one of the parties that fabricated the Iraqi WMD evidence in 2003?

They are not the ones that are gonna prove they were wrong ...

[Wind]

Posted by Agape (here)
They actually seem to go in clusters, at least some of them ... logically , there's no 'equal distribution' but also .. this may have something to do with either solar flares or other kinds of radiation affecting the atmosphere . Or else ..

You're right about space weather, I think that cosmic rays play a huge role in the "accidents", but I could be wrong.

http://www.suspicious0bserverscollec...yare-lal-verma

[jerry]

Another flaw in the US blame game
US Intelligence: No Evidence Russia Did It — Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014...craig-roberts/

[Cidersomerset]

Where have the Rothschilds disappeared to?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=roR3sSunqpo

Good presentation by David about the Rothchild Zionists. Mainstream
press and academics ignore him or laugh , but Where does David get
most of his information ? Research connecting the dots. He may ad
his own interpretations on his findings which is open to debate, but
the basic facts he presents are available to any one to research.

The difference between Jews and Zionism is not what David made up.

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Talk to Al Jazeera - Rabbi Dovid Weiss: Zionism has created 'rivers of blood'

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oUppu2OHVTY

Published on 10 Mar 2012


The Jewish scholar explains why Zionism and Judaism are not necessarily the
same thing and why he believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate.

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The David Icke Videocast: Exposing The Lie On Israel’s Fake History – ‘The Cruellest Hoax’

Sunday 20 July 2014






The David Icke Videocast: Exposing The Lie On Israel's Fake History - 'The Cruellest Hoax'

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jhEtCL_zkwk

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An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ

Published on 2 Dec 2012


Miko Peled was born in Jersusalem into a famous and influential Israeli Zionist
family. His father was a famous General in the Israeli Army, of which Miko also
served his time. When Miko's niece was killed by Palestinian suicide bombers, you
may have expected the family to put Palestinians at fault, but surprisingly they
blamed the state of Israel, and their violent torturing and persecution for driving
people to such sadness that they would take their own lives.

Through his father's deep knowledge of the Israeli war of terror, together with his
own research, Miko Peled ruins the myths surrounding the Israel and Palestine
situation, and delivers a truth so damning that many Jews and Israel supporters
will not be able to bear it. He reveals facts such as the original expelled Jews are
not the ones returning, and they are not their descendants either, covers the
double standards regarding the right of return, which doesn't apply to Palestinians,
and dispels the myth that there has been a conflict for ages by producing proof that
it was peaceful up until 1947 when Israel launched their illegal attacks.

Miko is just one of the many modern day Jews against Zionism and the state of
Israel, and with the information he delivers in this astounding talk, it is not difficult
to see why more and more Jews are rejecting Zionism and calling for the
dismantling of Israel. It is a true eye-opener for anyone who has for too long been
blinded by the fake misinformation given by the mainstream media, and the truths
come straight from the heartland where he has spent many years documenting the real story.

[Cidersomerset]

Civilian cost of Ukraine war: hundreds dead, thousands flee

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GaT1iz9-ptE

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If Texas or Scotland becomes independent in the upcoming vote, and say
in 10 years ethnic English or US residents were being attacked or wanted
to form enclaves if they were the majority in that county or city. I'm sure
American and English weapons if not troops would soon be on the ground
helping them. So if things get worse and more civilians refugees flee over
the border. Russian troops will intervene I would have thought.....

[Cidersomerset]

Media wars
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OSCE, journalists question claims surrounding MH17

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=th0PotnT8T0

Published on 24 Jul 2014


Experts are combing the crash site of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 for evidence,
including victims’ body parts and plane fragments. Members of the Organization
for Security and Cooperation say they have a high-level of access to the site, and
also said that reports of looting are impossible to verify. As the investigation continues
and the media frenzy calms, some journalists, most notably CNN’s Diana Magnay,
are beginning to ask questions about the reliability of the evidence presented by both
the US and Russian governments. RT’s Lindsay France and Roman Kosarev have more.

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In the media age........Like hypnosis and mind control , when pointed out
to the masses , it does not work.

Obama’s writer confesses brainwashing tactic

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v90Lzvz02dU

Published on 25 Jul 2014


Recently, NPR did a story on how presidential speechwriters intentionally use
cadence, or rhythm of speech, to move people emotionally. They reference Jon
Favreau, Obama's ex-speechwriter, and Mary Kate Cary, George. H.W. Bush's ex-
speechwriter, who both admit to intentionally counting beats in a speech in order to
hook people in. The Resident discusses. Follow The Resident at http://www.twitter.com/TheResident

[SilentFeathers]

Just a note: Do you see how our attention is now being drawn away from this crash and more so towards what's happening in Gaza, and now the West Bank? It's as if they steer us like mindless minds! lol!

But, anyways, with the resignation of the Ukraine PM and a couple other western puppets now, eyes must remain on that area of the globe regardless.

It does seem Israel is connected to MH17, but speculation is all it's adding up too. With Israel ramping up it's killing machine and the media focusing more there right now, I don't believe it's an accident or coincidental that the masses (mindless minds) are being steered drastically in that direction right now.

It really does seem that the controllers are on a campaign to massively get everyone divided right now from the simplest differences to the extreme differences....and many people are dieing in the process.

My personal opinion/prediction right now; Too many people, here in the states especially, are looking at too many things right now abroad and having many legitimate questions and doubts about what they are being told as truth. For this reason alone I'll predict an event is about to occur here in the states to cause many to stop looking abroad so much, especially towards Israel and Ukraine, and cause them to focus on this event here instead to a larger degree rather than looking at what's going on elsewhere.

[KiwiElf]

My question to Israel is, what is it in Palestine that you so badly want??

My question to the Cabal is, what is it in Ukraine that you so badly want??

Wouldn't have anything to do with some ancient pyramids, tunnels and artifacts, would it?

[Cidersomerset]

My question to Israel is, what is it in Palestine that you so badly want??

I think there are various reasons for the Zionist take over of 'The Holy Land'

By getting rid of non Isreali muslims, they will be able to

Rebuild Solomon's temple and full fill the bible prophecies ...




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Mysteries of the Temple

Why does Rothschild, the Jewish Sanhedrin, the Masonic Lodge, The Mormon
Church, and scores of Satanic cults seek to rebuild Solomon�s Temple in
Jerusalem? What of Jesus� prophecy that the Temple of the Jews would be
destroyed and the House of Israel "left desolate" until His return? Why do millions
of pro-Zionist evangelical Christians take pride in attempting to undo what Christ
has done and strive to nullify Jesus� prophecy and rebuild both the Temple and
the House of Israel? What occult mysteries and satanic purposes are embodied in
the millennia-old quest to rebuild the Temple and reinstitute blood sacrifices? What
will happen when the antichrist (666) enters the rebuilt Temple and blasphemously
declares he is "God?"


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My question to the Cabal is, what is it in Ukraine that you so badly want??

Maybe to do with that is the region where the Khazar Jews come from and
most jews in Isreal desended from Khazari , see a couple of posts up and
below......


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Wouldn't have anything to do with some ancient pyramids, tunnels and artifacts, would it?

Don't know...LOL ..but keep your eye on that !!