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    Nikola Tesla said or wrote the following:

    “My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”

    To me this is a beautiful statement, but today's neuroscience strongly disagrees. They say that the personality is entirely made up of the sum of all the wiring inside the brain, and there is no 'outside' force intertwined.

    I really like to believe there is more to me than my physical body, but I can't disregard neuroscience completely just because it doesn't feel right. My question to you is, can we somehow come up with a perspective that takes into account and does justice to the spiritual side as well as the scientific side?
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    Why not make it your signature Skyhaven?
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    I wouldn't worry about what "today's neuroscience" thinks. By "today's" I assume you mean "mainstream." It's safe to say that mainstream anything is inadequate to describe/define anything of importance because the mainstream (what I call the fake reality control matrix) leaves out so much of the truth of the world. Yes, there is a way to take into account the spiritual. You do that on your own and study others in science who do the same and, of course, keep coming to Project Avalon!
    I like Star Tsar's idea about the signature statement, too!

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    I don't know how else to convince you, other than to say: "In 1991, after death of the body during child birth, I was up in the corner of the room watching every thing being done, including the ability to "see" the injury/shoulder fracture, from my pelvis, as they pulled her out feet first and her hands were folded as if in prayer. I remember thinking, ohhh, look at my baby girl, and then the paddles went across my chest, and I was back in my body, and conscious. I told them my baby's shoulder was fractured when they pulled her out feet first. That it hit my pelvis on the way out. There was a lab tech named Tina that was there to draw my blood before the emergency C-section, which did not happen because I cardio arrested, and they just pulled her out. I can safely say, that we still exist, after the "body/vehicle" expires. Like a car, take care of it, you live longer, if you don't, you don't get to ride for long.

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    The body loses some weight when it dies apparently. That could be a telltale sign of the soul. We have a soul, it's just a matter of science finding it...

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    Quote Posted by Skyhaven (here)
    [...] can we somehow come up with a perspective that takes into account and does justice to the spiritual side as well as the scientific side?
    Read some Aurobindo. He' s the 'spritual scientist'.
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    Quote Posted by Skyhaven (here)
    Nikola Tesla said or wrote the following:

    “My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”

    To me this is a beautiful statement, but today's neuroscience strongly disagrees. They say that the personality is entirely made up of the sum of all the wiring inside the brain, and there is no 'outside' force intertwined.

    I really like to believe there is more to me than my physical body, but I can't disregard neuroscience completely just because it doesn't feel right. My question to you is, can we somehow come up with a perspective that takes into account and does justice to the spiritual side as well as the scientific side?
    to repeat what other are indicating, we already possess that complex and involved science that explains these simple and real things.

    All one has to do is..look widely with open eyes and the science is out there.

    The leading edge of science is not in the textbooks, nor is it in the mainstream. It is in the places that are not considered by the aforementioned to be acceptable. The thing about the mainstream and the texts is that both are subject to change, as the very idea of science is about discovery and discovery involves changes in knowledge via exploration. even the fundamentals of science, those tenants of science..they cannot be allowed to slip into permanence - as that is dogma, or religion.
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    Maybe you could think of your brain as a CPU, your soul as RAM - mechanical devices to perform a function. Neither will work however, without energy- which you could think of as your spirit. Given that energy cannot be created or destroyed, that would suggest a universal source. Energy also has mass, which would explain why the body loses mass after expiring.

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    Maybe you could think of your brain as a CPU, your soul as RAM - mechanical devices to perform a function. Neither will work however, without energy- which you could think of as your spirit. Given that energy cannot be created or destroyed, that would suggest a universal source. Energy also has mass, which would explain why the body loses mass after expiring.


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    Nice reply Arig.
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    You can stump any so-called neuroscientist spewing their brain theory with this:

    How come certified brain-dead individuals come back to life and recount their OOBE/NDE of what happened to them, what was going on in the emergency room, etc...

    Since the "brain" was dead, who/what was perceiving/recording/seeing/hearing/sensing the whole environment?
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    Conservation of momentum....... blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
    Conservation of energy......blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
    Conservation of mass....blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
    What's next? Conservation of Oil?

    Only one kind of conservation exists on this planet. Conservation of idiots.

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    Quote Posted by AriG (here)
    Maybe you could think of your brain as a CPU, your soul as RAM - mechanical devices to perform a function. Neither will work however, without energy- which you could think of as your spirit. Given that energy cannot be created or destroyed, that would suggest a universal source. Energy also has mass, which would explain why the body loses mass after expiring.


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    Nice reply Arig.
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    Default Re: My brain is only a receiver

    My brain is a receiver, too, as well as a processor.
    One can take an idea, and then imagine its opposite, and a whole host of other spin-offs,
    and then choose a course of actions from there on.
    Which means that ideas from the spirit world, or whatever one wants to call it,
    can still be taken a few steps further by a mere mortal.

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    Conservation of momentum....... blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
    Conservation of energy......blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
    Conservation of mass....blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
    What's next? Conservation of Oil?

    Only one kind of conservation exists on this planet. Conservation of idiots.
    You know, I wasn't going to say anything. I just quietly reported your angry arrogance to the Moderators, but I have now changed my mind. Hearing this might do you some good (or not). I just read through your posts. You are angry, arrogant and uninformed and you would be well served to keep your typing fingers planted beneath your buttocks and spend some time reading before posting your all knowing observations about a realm in which you have spent a mere 14 years. You might be under the misguided impression that the very wise and well read beings on this forum are somehow beneath your intellect, but all you have provided to this point is hot air and quite a number of veiled insults. I have surmised that you are either a very precocious and possibly abused 14 year old human with delusions of grandeur, or you are a schill. Both possibilities being equal in value. Now, go clean your room, go outside and get some exercise, live ten more years and then come back to talk with the grown ups when you have spent a bit more time on the vine. This advice applies to teeny boppers and government schils. One in the same.

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    Thanks all for the warm welcome!

    I just found a scientific article that supports the "the brain is only a receiver" view. Here are some interesting statements from it:

    Consciousness and matter cannot be equated. Consciousness is not physical. Consciousness may
    have physical correlates but consciousness itself is entirely nonphysical. Neurotransmitters,
    neurons, brain chemistry, loops, circuits, ionic flux, electrical interference patterns, etc., are all
    physical correlates of consciousness but not consciousness itself.

    Unlike physical things, consciousness itself is not measurable. Consciousness has no mass, no
    location, no boundaries, and does not occupy physical space. But matter has location, mass, and
    physical dimension that can be measured. To clarify this, you may ask yourself, “What are the
    dimensions of my perception of yonder tree? What is the height of my perception of that tree in
    feet or inches?” Or, “What is the weight or length of my thought?” The contents of
    consciousness are simply not in the physical world as we know it. One can discover no units of
    measure for any aspect of consciousness.

    Unlike the physical, consciousness itself is not directly observable. No instrument or technology
    can detect consciousness. Brain imaging devices measure such correlates as blood flow or
    oxygen consumption in a specific area of the brain. But this is not consciousness, awareness, or
    subjective experience. Furthermore, if the activity imaged in a specific area is to be considered a
    conscious or subjective awareness it would still require a unified self or observing homunculus
    somehow or somewhere in the brain. But neuroscience cannot trace the presence or absence of
    this kind of consciousness to any area of activity. There is no homunculus in the premises.

    Consciousness itself then seems to fall outside the domain of science. Science is about what is
    measurable or quantifiable. There is nothing that can be measured. There is nothing that can be
    observed. There is no evidence for the existence of consciousness in the physical world except
    by subjective report. And subjective report is consciousness reporting itself. Under the
    prevailing jurisdiction of materialist science, subjectivity is forbidden.

    If everything must be measurable, observable, and objective, then what is a materialist to do
    about the undeniable reality of consciousness? To succeed in its quest the materialist paradigm
    must find that critical point where a mind state and a brain state are identical. It is self-evident
    this is impossible within materialism’s own definitions.


    Source: http://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/viewFile/269/301
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    Yeah, neuroscience... Business ? Maybe.

    There are signs sometimes, when you are aligned with something in the air, that the matrix isn't perfect. You can receive, send, even create/generate from nothing.
    Just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Posted by Skyhaven (here)
    Unlike the physical, consciousness itself is not directly observable. No instrument or technology
    can detect consciousness.
    Source: http://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/viewFile/269/301
    Its important to note (and surprising that the author of this paper didn't note) that electrons were not directly observable until 1897..

    One day, it may be proven that a direct pathway to consciousness exists, but that the conscious being is seated outside of the body as an observer. Virtual reality so to speak.

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    Quote Posted by Skyhaven (here)
    Thanks all for the warm welcome!

    I just found an scientific article that supports the "the brain is only a receiver" view.
    there are quit a few of these out there, keep looking


    Look into the studies of how it seems that brain activity and body activity timing is pretty "off" (like we do things before we think of doing them).

    this is a great topic, definitely worth fleshing out... it will take a bit of research though.
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    Thanks all for the warm welcome!

    I just found an scientific article that supports the "the brain is only a receiver" view.
    there are quit a few of these out there, keep looking


    Look into the studies of how it seems that brain activity and body activity timing is pretty "off" (like we do things before we think of doing them).

    this is a great topic, definitely worth fleshing out... it will take a bit of research though.
    An example of this is instinctive reflexes themselves. They happen faster than can be explained by the mere physical circuitry in our bodies.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
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