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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

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    [...]

    I have noticed, almost without exception:
    • - the people who seek peace and believe it's possible are usually soft spoken, polite and don't really push much. They offer.
    • In my opinion as a fellow traveler, this is a signal
    • - the people looking forward to it all falling apart are highly vocal, well versed in the art of subtle ridicule. They tell you what will be.
    • In my opinion as a fellow traveler, this is noise
    I am going to print that out, laminate it and put it up by my computer ...

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    A big bump for what Bob quoted.....it is SO true & a good yardstick for us all to use in our interactions here on Avalon!

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

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    Quote Posted by Another1 (here)

    [...]

    I have noticed, almost without exception:
    • - the people who seek peace and believe it's possible are usually soft spoken, polite and don't really push much. They offer.
    • In my opinion as a fellow traveler, this is a signal
    • - the people looking forward to it all falling apart are highly vocal, well versed in the art of subtle ridicule. They tell you what will be.
    • In my opinion as a fellow traveler, this is noise
    I am going to print that out, laminate it and put it up by my computer ...
    I'm looking forward to "new beginnings" I guess I'd call it, but not suffering and turmoil. Anyone who looks forward to suffering and turmoil has something wrong with them - and if I had my way - there wouldn't be any of them. Maybe I'm just an impatient murderer, but I can't help how mad it makes me =/

    I can find peace and happiness sometimes, but true happiness won't ever exist in my mind while other people continue to suffer.

    To me it just feels like we're in the midst of a mess! And yes... there's Garbage everywhere.

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    Hello, Everyone.

    I figured I'd offer the following simple points here, though the topic isn't quite so much about signal-to-noise. But it is about standards.

    My thoughts were really focused by looking at what's happening in so many places elsewhere on the net. Social media has become increasingly barbaric, a kind of dog-eat-dog jungle where the freedom of anonymity seems to unleash the shadow in many people.

    Here's a screenshot of a discussion on the Voat forum, where Qanon followers have migrated after being banned from Reddit (for "posted threats and incitement of violence").

    Caveats:
    1. I didn't take the screenshot. I actually found it on Reddit.
    2. I won't embed it here. It's too repugnant. Read it if your eyebrows are well-pinned to your forehead.
      https://imgur.com/a/3CVgvp9#95DmLZy
    It makes every single member we have look like a saint.

    My point: what you see there is now the internet norm. Toxic mudfights like that are easy to find, everywhere. Look at the comments on any politically-oriented (or otherwise controversial) YouTube video.

    We really are different here. Our standards are miles higher than anyone else's. New members in their application forms tell us this almost every day.

    So this post is to acknowledge that, thank everyone reading this who really knows and understands that, and make the following reminders:
    • Please consciously preserve the high standards that we're all rightly proud of.
    • Please always allow other viewpoints and respect them if they're well-stated. Simply put: reply to others the way you'd like to be replied to yourself.
    • Please do NOT NOT NOT make 'jokes' that one might personally think are funny on the spur of the moment, but are likely to be upsetting or hurtful to others. This is a big problem sometimes.
    • Please always be mindful of the effect that you WANT to make when posting. Do you want to actually hurt someone? Score points? Be admired? Be understood? It matters.
    ***

    Like one of the ancient Atlantean refugees, I still have a memory of early 2010 when the entire forum was closed, and then re-opened in a different format with all members being asked to re-apply. The community, every bit as large and active as this one, had been ripped in half — and sunk under the waves — by an epic, highly-charged disagreement that focused on just one major thread and then sucked in everyone. (The conflict was over metaphysical issues, not political. But similar emotions were invoked, including the almost uncontrollable strongly felt need to defend territory and attack others, sometimes way too strongly.)

    Maybe a tiny handful of current members recall all this, as well. But for everyone else, it's a kind of misty historical legend. And some have no knowledge about it whatsoever.

    But we DO have a precedent for cataclysm. It's happened before.

    We're living in important and emotional times. Many things feel that they matter, a great deal, to many people — often rightly, too. But, as Richard Dolan counsels at the end of all his weekly radio broadcasts, be kind to one another. No matter how irritating another member here might seem when they've just countered or disagreed with one of your well-crafted, deeply-felt posts — if that person was literally your real-world neighbor, living in the next-door house, you'd probably like them very a great deal.

    We're all good people here.


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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    Good Bill, point taken. But I would like to know what are the forum policies regarding trolling and blatantly lying and baiting. It seems sometimes to me that trolling and lying is diregarded for some members while others are readily admonished. This has become definitly unclear to me.

    Plus, baiting and lying does not seem to be a good omen for the forum.

    I personnally think that intentional lies on posts have to be corrected publically, mostly when they damage another member in any way, including its credibility, when it can lead to damage to others or can be detrimental to the forum.

    As was done to a few prominent alt media members in the past why not now?
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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

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    Good Bill, point taken. But I would like to know what are the forum policies regarding trolling and blatantly lying and baiting. It seems sometimes to me that trolling and lying is diregarded for some members while others are readily admonished. This has become definitly unclear to me.
    It's not quite like that! The mods really do discuss all these things a LOT (believe me! ), and we ourselves don't always agree. That's not because we're being obstinate or difficult with one another — far from it — it's simply that the 'lines' are sometimes very unclear.

    What feels like offensive trolling to one person feels much milder (or even, sometimes, nothing at all) for others. That's because we're all human and different.

    We're not intentionally trying to be partial, ever. We do recognize that someone who's a longstanding member, whom we all respect, may just have a bad day or a bad week (or may feel very emotional about just one issue). That happens to us all, mods included. It's when someone is persistently a certain way that there's a different kind of problem.

    As they say in a court of law, 'previous good character' really does count for something when the suspect is charged with a misdemeanor.

    You and I both know about the recent instance of a member who did 'lie' in a post (i.e. what they said about themselves was untrue). But they were making a rhetorical point, not meaning what they wrote literally. The problem is, of course, that it's very likely to be misunderstood.

    As above, what's a 'lie' to one person is a rhetorical device to another. The point, once more, is that we all need to be aware of the probable effect on others reading, and whether we really intend that or not.

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    Plus, baiting and lying does not seem to be a good omen for the forum.
    I should also add:

    Of course, this is why I wrote my major post above.

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    For me it's one huge lust and search for truth. It's ever elusive. Disceting the Deep state and figuring out who did what to whom,how,when,and where
    are seemingly endless searches one must take in todays' world where nothing is straight forward but everything couched in politcalese.
    The differences between left and right grow larger but they come together in the deep state which is all criminal all the time.Figuring out the players
    and who is who is almost a part time job. This site is far more humane and has many more intelligent posters than many of those one will find in searching endlessly
    for truth.

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    I'd like to give this thread a bit of a bump, if I may. A little too much drama for my liking recently. As has been said previously, quality over quantity.

    Dave - Toronto

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    Default Re: The quality of Avalon: keeping the signal-to-noise-ratio high

    It’s got to some points I will not comment in case the ‘applecart’ is upset. Biting one’s tongue is good, gives you time to research, get other opinions, and level ‘reality’.

    However, the very important posts concerning the health of humanity are so vital, thanks to Herve, Bob, Onawah, Paul, and so many others who are dedicated to healthy lives for ourselves and our animals.

    This forum is so helpful, informative, rationalistic and grounded I am so grateful to be a part of it since its inception, watched its birthing from previous existencies with such positivity, and many years later we’re still here being supporting, kind and loving.
    Last edited by avid; 3rd November 2018 at 21:56.
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