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    Posted by zvezdar:

    This is not a pyramid. Osmanagic is cleverly excavating the ruins on that site in an attempt to fool others into believing his pyramid hypothesis.

    the hill has kind of a pyramid shape, and its a naturally rocky area which has a lot of flat and weathered stones. Many of the stone "structure" that he attempts to pass off as man-made are clearly weathered and natural formations. Others appear to be sections of roads or paths; on the hill Visocica was once a medieval fortress and the region has been occupied for at least 5,000 years (and has always had strategic and economic importance, given the intersection of two rivers occurs here). They are also showing excavations of man-made structures that are buried within the hill and passing it off as the internals of a pyramid.

    I personally know a number of people that grew up in Visoko and have been back a number of times over the years, every single one of them thinks the idea of the pyramid is hilarious. Its known that the hills were used by past civilisations in various ways, but there were never pyramids.

    The Balkans has an extremely rich history, and as the location is a major intersection between East and West it has been populated for many thousands of years. As a result there are vast complexes, underground tunnels, fortresses and the like scattered across the peninsula.

    A good example is at Petrovaradin in Serbia. While the current fortress is a few hundred years old, excavations have shown that the area has been constantly occupied for the last 15,000-20,000 years. There are fortifications on site that are 5,000 years old. Following that were Roman fortifications, and after that a monastery. There are many kilometres of tunnels in and around the area.

    This also shows the turbulence of the region throughout known history. It hasnt had the kind of stability required to support a civilisation with the strength and stability to put in the monumental effort required to build pyramids. There have always been wars and invaders from all sides; even the slavs only arrived in the last 1500 years or so and it has been a period of virtually constant fighting (the slavs, of course, conquering the previous inhabitants).

    You can expect to find the ruins of fortifications and tunnels throughout strategically important areas of the Balkans. But no pyramids.

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    Quote Posted by Joseph Davidovits
    I wrote in my main article dedicated to the Bosnian Pyramids an update stating that: « According to our information, we believe that the sample of concrete that I have examined under the electron microscope comes from a type of cistern or water tank (the drilling report is mentioning a concrete « ceiling » and an empty space of 2 meters depth followed by a « concrete » floor, see the pdf below). The geopolymer concrete analyzed is a kind of Roman concrete, which in no way corresponds to the materials that constitute the casing of the pyramids and look like pudding stone. Consequently, the information published on the Bosnian Pyramids websites are inaccurate.
    Read the entire article: Wrong statement on Pyramids of Bosnia

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    Quote Posted by Edwin van Mossel, director and DP of the documentary film, "The Bosnian Pyramids: The Biggest Hoax In History?"

    It seemed so promising, but after a short week we noticed that there was a lot of breccia created by tectonics, and no 'pyramids' at all. Bosnia is loaded with natural pyramid-shaped hills! Every researcher who went there and came back with the conclusion 'no pyramids' is ignored. It would be great if I am wrong, but alas, I do not think I am . . .

    Quote Posted by Jean-Paul Demoule, Professor of later European prehistory at Paris 1 University (Panthéon-Sorbonne) and President of INRAP

    Bosnia's professional archaeologists have all denounced this mystification, confirmed by a special delegation from the European Association of Archaeologists. In fact, Bosnia's ancient history is perfectly understood and offers no other traces of this mysterious civilization.
    Quote Posted by Jean-Paul Demoule, January 10, 2013

    The excavations have only found geological features and mining tunnels from the Middle Age. It is clear that it was never any prehistoric 'pyramid' in Visoko. Bosnian prehistory is perfectly known as are known the paleolithic societies there 15.000 years ago. The expertise of the European Association of Archaeologists and of all the Bosnian professional archaeologists was perfectly clear and unanimous.

    The only interesting point in Visoko is the invention of a new national myth based on natural curiosities. The reason for my interest on this problem is my more general interest about the connexion and interrelations between archaeology and the actual societies, and the role, use and abuse of archaeology in national identities. Sincerely Jean-Paul Demoule


    Quote Posted by Anthony Harding, professor of archaeology at the UK's University of Exeter and president of the European Association of Archaeologists

    I would say there are probably three types of people involved in the pyramids. There are fanatics who want to believe this stuff, there are people who are being misled, and there are people who are leading people along, cynically, for political and financial reasons.
    Quote Posted by Anthony Harding, January 4, 2013

    There are no ancient pyramids in Bosnia.
    Quote Posted by Curtis Runnels - Professor of archaeology at Boston University and editor of the Journal of Field Archaeology, January 10, 2013

    These natural hills have nothing to do with pyramids. There have been no new data to change this conclusion.
    Quote Posted by Philip Coppens in NEXUS Magazine, vol. 16, no. 1

    Archaeologist Dr Nabil Mohamed Swelim, holder of three PhDs and the discoverer of four pyramids in Egypt, visited the structures in September 2007 and he concludes that they are man-made "pyramid hills", as distinct from pyramids.

    A pyramid hill is a natural hill that is artificially enhanced to conform to the pyramid structure, whereas a pyramid is built from the bottom up.

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    Quote Quote Posted by Philip Coppens in NEXUS Magazine, vol. 16, no. 1

    Archaeologist Dr Nabil Mohamed Swelim, holder of three PhDs and the discoverer of four pyramids in Egypt,
    visited the structures in September 2007 and he concludes that they are man-made "pyramid hills", as distinct from pyramids.

    A pyramid hill is a natural hill that is artificially enhanced to conform to the pyramid structure, whereas a pyramid is built from the bottom up.
    That's what I think it is like , but there is plenty of archaeology in the area, its the ancestral home
    of Bosnian kings, it could be tombs, the drainage systems are for something . We are suspicious
    of mainstream archaeology and cover ups by definition, if you think history is older than we are told.

    They know about all the ancient cultures in the area, so if they are still trying to claim its older
    they know they are going to face massive opposition from mainstream, because it means the
    current time lines are wrong. Go Beki Tepi has pushed back civilisation and the work of Graham
    Hancock and others have not been acknowledged by mainstream archaeology.

    Whether these are pyramids or not, its coincidental and the conglomerate concrete is interesting
    in itself and is not the same as Roman or Egyptian types. They also have energy and frequency
    28Khz , which in the tunnel doc seems to be effecting the camera as it passed along the drainage
    tunnel.

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    I certainly would not believe this gentleman .......


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    I'm listening to this episode of Coast with Michael and later David Wilcox
    discussing the subject. As I said at the beginning this must come to a head
    in the next year or so, because the more they expose its going to be obvious.

    Which makes the mainstream archaeologists look more suspicious in the alternate
    community. Surely it would be easier to sponsor some archaeologist students
    to help prove it either way, there are pyramids all over the world of different
    types, the argument from Michael is it could be part of an ancient energy source
    which the mainstream want kept covered up. This is a good reason for smear a
    campaign.

    I am not saying this is the case in Bosnia, but I do not see why it cannot be
    more openly discussed, We know cover ups are easy and Graham Hancock
    and others are dismissed by mainstream archaeology, so I'm happy to see
    how this will develop. It might well have another explanation why one of
    the cultures coated a large hill with concrete slabs.



    This is from 2011/12.......
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    Q: Let’s get straight to the heart of the matter: why were these constructions not discovered “until 2005”? Let’s recall that their discoverer, Semir Osmanagic, was a Bosniak-born businessman living in Houston, USA. He presents himself as holding a doctorate in anthropology... after which things get rather unclear.

    Irna : Certainly, Semir Osmanagic does have a doctorate, but the thesis he defended at the University of Sarajevo, following studies in economics and political science, was a sociology thesis. He is, therefore, neither an anthropologist nor an archaeologist, and, prior to the discovery of the “pyramids” in 2005, had never even participated in an archaeological excavation. He had made tourist visits to various pre-Columbian pyramids in Central America, which supplied him with the material for a series of short book: but, lacking any scientific content, these are more travelogues than anything else. For the last two years, he has described himself as "Professor of Anthropology" at a small private university in Bosnia (the American University in Bosnia and Herzegovina, AUBiH), although, curious to relate, that university does not offer any courses in either anthropology or archaeology...

    Q: Obviously, the so-called "Pyramid of the Sun" has a very characteristic shape, giving the impression that we are dealing with something man-made. However, all serious on-site studies of the locale have come to the opposite conclusion. And, as for the other hills, doubt is not just permissible, but positively de rigueur...

    Irna: The distinctive shape of the “Pyramid of the Sun”, i.e., the hill of Visocica, is undeniably quite striking, at least when viewed on its northern face, whose hillside forms a fairly regular triangle. It is, incidentally, this face that is always shown in photographs; the other sides are all but indistinguishable from the sides of a normal hill, and don’t display anywhere near the same regular geometric shape. For instance, there is no real south face, as can easily be seen from any map or aerial photograph (see photo below); the south and east sides of the "pyramid" merge without any identifiable edge between the two.



    As regards the other "pyramids", their pyramidal shape is even less obvious. What’s more, you’d be hard put to it to find any pictures of the “Pyramid of the Earth” on the Foundation website, an absence that might not be wholly the result of chance: that hill, notched by a meander of the river, is crescent-shaped, and it really takes a gigantic leap of the imagination to see it as a pyramid! (The Google Earth co-ordinates are: 43° 57’52.63" N - 18° 11’25.3" E)

    In fact, very many hills in the region do have vaguely triangular or trapezoidal sides, the result of valleys hollowed out through sedimentary terrain uplifted and folded in various places since the end of the Tertiary. Half a dozen professional geologists have carried out field research on these hills, and published reasonably detailed reports containing exhaustive explanations for the appearance of the local landscape (see for example the 2006 report by Dr. Amer Smailbegovic).

    Q: In an attempt to defend his position, Osmanagic has cited several pieces of evidence. Could you tell us more about these?

    A) Presence of superior-quality concrete

    A) Irna: According to every professional geologist who has examined the substance, what Mr. Osmanagic calls "concrete" is actually "pudding stone", that is, a natural conglomerate of debris consisting of relatively rounded pieces of rock, bonded together by a calcitic/dolomitic matrix. This conglomerate was formed several million years ago in the lake that once occupied the area where today we see only hills. At that remote epoch, when the whole of the region was being geologically uplifted, there was a very active process of erosion, and the rivers surrounding the lake deposited huge amounts of debris, of varying degrees of coarseness, which then lithified (lithification being the process in which sediment turns into rock), becoming sandstone or marl in the case of finer debris, or conglomerate in the case of the coarser debris.

    Mr. Osmanagic claims that geologists are wrong, and that "scientific analyses have proven" that the substance was concrete. However, several of these analytical reports have never seen the light of day. This is the case, for example, with an analysis supposedly carried out ​​by the Polytechnic Institute of Turin, which, to the best of my knowledge, has yet to be seen by anyone at all. Admittedly, there are other analytical reports, but none of them contains any conceivable proof that the substance under discussion is concrete. For example, Civil Engineering Institutes of Bosnia, having tested the properties of the material, have confirmed that it is indeed very strong, but their reports say not one word about the origin of the substance, and whether it is natural or artificial.

    Mr. Osmanagic also relies on an analytical report by Professor Davidovits, a geopolymer specialist. But, although Professor Davidovits tested a fragment, sent by Mr. Osmanagic himself, it had not come from any of the “pyramids” – and Professor Davidovits recently blogged on his website that: "the information published on the Bosnian Pyramids websites are inaccurate." It must also somehow have slipped Mr. Osmanagic’s mind that there was a further analytical report, the work of another geopolymer specialist, from Drexel University (who, incidentally, was working on the theory that the blocks of the Great Pyramid of Khufu were moulded), who concluded that there was no possibility that the samples of conglomerate sent to him from Visoko for study had any artificial origin (see pp 130-134 [151-155 of the PDF]).

    B) Paved “cyclopean” paths

    B) Irna: What are called "paved roads" are simply sandstone layers (omnipresent on the “Pyramid of the Moon”) that have been partially cleared by excavation work. What gives them the appearance of “paving stones" is yet another completely natural phenomenon: during the progressive uplift of the region, tectonic movements fractured these layers in two directions, at right angles to one another - orthogonal jointing - thus creating the illusion of “paving.” In the natural world, there are many other examples of this type of "paving": for example, the "floor" formed of perfectly rectangular slabs at Eaglehawk Neck, Tasmania (photo below), or the Bouddi Peninsula in Australia. The most conclusive proof that this "paving" is natural is the presence of "ripple-marks" - wrinkle marks left by the tide, as seen on beaches worldwide – that were formed at the bottom of the lake before lithification of the sediment. Each “paving slab” follows on from its fellow in an ever-repeating sequence, something that would be virtually impossible if these “paved paths" had been constructed by man.


    (Eaglehawk Neck, Tasmania)

    Note: The following is an example of the "ripple-marks" mentioned above by Irna, a completely natural phenomenon...



    C) Presence of chambers detected inside the “Pyramid of the Sun”

    C) Irna: To the best of my knowledge, what the GPR studies that have been conducted on the “Pyramid of the Sun” have demonstrated is the existence of "inhomogeneities," or underground anomalies. These inhomogeneities might include all manner of things: not just cavities, but also what are merely areas of different density within the sediment, faults, bedding planes, etc. Nothing particularly striking, therefore, and no outsize cavities. The only person to claim the existence of a whole elaborate network of cavities inside the "pyramid" is Klaus Dona (the "OOPArts expert"), who claims to have at his disposal ultra-secret military technology enabling him to detect tunnels at a depth of over 3,000 meters! Unfortunately for his credibility, the only evidence supplied by Mr. Dona is a Google Earth image of the "pyramids" on which he had drawn a whole multicolored network of "tunnels", as can be seen in this video...

    D) Detection of an electromagnetic signal, as well as an ultrasound frequency of 27 (or 28) Hz (or kHz), at the summit of the “Pyramid of the Sun”

    D) Irna: Research into various EM or ultrasound phenomena on the "pyramid" is relatively recent, and appears to be the result of Mr. Osmanagic’s inability to produce any archaeological evidence. In the absence of artifacts, and traces of the mysterious civilization that he believes to have been responsible for the construction of the "pyramids", he tries to find "evidence" from other disciplines, in this case, physics. Unfortunately, considerable confusion reigns over what is published by the Foundation or other independent "researchers". For example, many of the individuals engaged in discussing these questions systematically confuse electromagnetic waves with mechanical waves (sound), making it very difficult to know exactly what has been measured.

    Moreover, none of these measurements has been published with a serious and reproducible protocol, despite this being one of the most basic tenets of scientific methodology. How exactly is one meant to place reliance on a "physicist" who professes to measure EM waves with a plate wrapped in aluminium foil? Or on an “explorer" who claims to have measured a precise ultrasonic frequency, and the origin of that frequency, with a heterodyne bat detector, when the manufacturers themselves confirm that such a feat is well beyond the capabilities of the device? (Extract from the letter that I received from the Magenta Co., the manufacturer of the detector used: "As you are aware, it is not possible to deduce the actual frequency as it would be in a time expansion or frequency division detector," and: "The ability to determine that a source of 28kHz acoustic waves is 60 metres underground is well beyond belief, even using our excellent bat detectors!")

    It is therefore quite possible that, in terms of EM radiation and/or ultrasound, there might be some local anomaly on the hill of Visocica. However, the question should be firmly and systematically tackled from the outset. Measurements should be carried out over relatively extended time-periods (at various points during the day, and the year…) and with a sufficient number of points of comparison with other hills in the area... so that a proper measurement protocol can be set up! If, at length, it becomes apparent that there is an anomaly of some sort, that would be the time to start searching for the origin of that anomaly. One electromagnetic anomaly doth not a pyramid make…!

    E) Presence of tunnels (known as the “Ravne tunnels”) intentionally blocked with debris

    E) Irna: The “Ravne” tunnel system is probably the only genuine archaeological site "discovered" by Semir Osmanagic (it was actually known before his time, although no one had ever thought of clearing it). The tunnel presents many points of great interest, with a complex plan, the existence of a drain in some areas, the presence of drystone walls along some tunnel walls, and evidence of the deliberately backfilling of many galleries. Most of these features are characteristic of an old mine (e.g., the plugging of abandoned galleries with waste rock - sediment lacking any mineral content - to prevent accidental collapses within them), a surmise reinforced by some of the findings mentioned in the 2012 report by the Italian archaeologist Riccardo Brett (pages 34-36, and page 40): marks on the walls left by picks, wheelmarks, niches stained with soot, the discovery of an eighteenth century oil lamp...

    Semir Osmanagic, of course, is insistent that it cannot be a mine, but must be a much older tunnel linked to the "pyramids". However, the hypothesis of a secondary gold deposit (a “paleo-placer”) is entirely consistent with the local geology (see Light at the end of the tunnel? on my site). Unfortunately, the methodology employed by the Foundation in excavating this tunnel is likely to jeopardize any chance of ever learning more about its age and function: the excavators dig pell-mell in the general direction of the “Pyramid of the Sun”; the galleries are widened and "reconstructed" to facilitate tourist visits; the excavated sedimentary material is not sieved to recover any small artefacts; no stratigraphic study on the digging and backfilling sequences has been carried out; etc. etc...

    F) Hypothetical ducts leading from the tunnels to the pyramids

    F) Irna: "Hypothetical" is definitely the word for it! There is no evidence to suggest that these supposed ducts actually exist. Two things should be borne in mind: that the distance from the Ravne tunnel to the “Pyramid of the Sun” is about 3 kilometres (and further to the other "pyramids"); and that, between the two locations, the supposed route of the tunnel has to cut across two ravines that are deeper than the current height of the tunnel!

    G) The 60° equilateral triangle formed by the tops of the so-called “Sun,” “Moon” and “Dragon” pyramids

    G) Irna: The triangle is equilateral provided that you don’t fuss too much about precision, or the location of the points of the triangle (which, contrary to what is shown on the documents from the Foundation, are not situated on the actual hilltops). Also, as I said earlier, the area is full of hills whose slopes are vaguely triangular or trapezoidal. What would be more surprising, in my opinion, would be the absence of a more or less regular equilateral triangle formed by three peaks in this area!

    H) The presence in the Ravne tunnel of ceramic blocks – with piezoelectric properties - termed monoliths by the Osmanagic Foundation, in quasi-“chambers”

    H) Irna: The problem here, as with the so-called "concrete" is: where is the confirmation that it is ceramic? The Foundation is supposed to have in its possession an analysis of material from one of these "monoliths" by the Boskovic Institute in Zagreb, but, yet again, this analysis has never been published anywhere, either on the Foundation website or on the Boskovic Institute site, and nobody, including even some individuals closely linked with the Foundation, has ever been able to confirm having seen it...

    Again, another analytical report was carried out by an Italian group, independent of the Foundation, whose members include a geologist. From an examination of samples from one “monolith," this geologist concluded that what she was looking at was an unremarkable example of sandstone. (Unfortunately, this report has never been published by the authors, who have restricted it to private circulation. However, the findings have been published on an Italian forum [scroll down to the section “Concrete and Megaliths" - Dr. Nunzia Croce]. Dr. Nunzia Croce’s conclusions were confirmed by the leader of this Italian group himself, Paolo Debertolis – posting as “Pablito" on another Italian forum).

    What is perplexing is why, if the Foundation is so sure that the megalith is ceramic, they did not carry out thermoluminescence dating tests. (This is a dating technique that can reveal when a sample was last exposed to intense heat, and is therefore ideally suited to the case of ceramic, if that is really what we are dealing with here...)

    I) These monoliths are believed by some to bear, etched into their surface, something that looks like writing (paleo-Sanskrit?), the topology of the Valley of the Pyramids, etc.…

    I) Irna: The Foundation is sometimes prone to seeing “inscriptions" in the slightest scratch on a stone surface… :-)

    It is an undisputed fact that inscriptions do appear on one – though only one - of the “monoliths". However, this statement must be qualified; first, by the fact that the Foundation has never yet managed to post pictures of all of the fifty or so symbols that it claims are there, and never shows anything apart from the same three or four symbols; and, second, by the fact that there continues to reign some doubt over the authenticity of these inscriptions.

    Some members, or former members, of the Foundation stated that they were not present during the first explorations of the tunnel, and details about the date and author of the discovery are hidden in swirling clouds of murk and confusion. According to the Foundation, the inscriptions were discovered by an Egyptian, Dr. Barakat, at a time when he was not physically present in Bosnia! (see In which the "proto-Bosnian" alphabet is mentioned again). As for the so-called "miniature map" of the valley, you would need rose-tinted laser-vision spectacles to see it...

    J) Several carbon-14 dating tests by several different institutes have come up with very early dates for the pyramidal constructions: a date of about 25,000 years for the Pyramid of the Sun, and about 11,000 years for the Pyramid of the Moon, etc...

    J) Irna: In fact, several C14 dating tests have been carried out, providing a rather impressive range of dates, from 3,000 BP to 35,000 BP! The problem is: what –exactly - was dated? In an archaeological dig, absolute dating, whether obtained from carbon-14 or other methods, complements the stratigraphy that allows the establishment of relative dating; the archaeologist knows what it is that he wants to date, and the reasons for that. In the case of Visoko, it is not archaeological remains (hearths, timber, bones...) that have been dated, but organic plant debris (roots, leaves, fragments of wood...) collected at random from the surface, or from within the sedimentary layers.

    The varying ages obtained for these samples have no archaeological significance. As regards the samples taken from the surface, there is a high risk of contamination by material of recent date, and, at best, all that they can do is indicate the age of the soil naturally formed on the hill. As regards samples extracted from within a sedimentary layer dating back millions of years, we are no longer talking about organic debris in the proper sense, but fossilized material; theoretically, this fossilized material should contain no C 14 at all, were it not that, here again, there are opportunities for contamination (e.g., from circulating groundwater).

    These dates are therefore devoid of significance, since it is not fossil carbon that is being dated, but enrichment by recent organic carbon contaminants. Even if never accepted by the Foundation, this is precisely the conclusion reached by one of the laboratories requested by the Foundation to date a piece of petrified wood found in the Ravne tunnel: “Our conclusion is that the sample delivered to our lab is not wood, but low carbon sediment. As such we do not think that we can attach any archaeological significance to its radiocarbon content." (Letter from the laboratory of the University of Oxford, dated September 2008.)

    Full interview: http://irna.lautre.net/Irna-intervie...e-Bosnian.html

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    I dont know if many have made the connection between Tesla tower and the pyramids? There is a strong connection in what they both do and how they do it. The water under it has a very important role and it is found where all the pyramids are found. Same with the many tunnels and chambers under them.

    http://www.gizafaces.com/page45.html take a look and think for yourself?

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    You cant fake the largest Pyramid in the world, and no one is trying to.
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    Last night I watched the first hour of a 2+ hour video of Josh Reeves giving a talk, and the focus up the first hour was the Rockwall of Texas.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqUecrjW8I0

    I already bought the first CD Josh Reeves did with a focus on Ancient America, which included his research to date on the Rockwall. It was a 4 hour dvd http://www.theglobalreality.com/docu...erica-volume-1. I haven't yet bought the follow up volumes he did.

    Some of the talk I watched last night was in his previous dvd for sale, but there was some very interesting new information as to the composition of the Rockwall of Texas.

    Some of the rock wall incorporates natural formations, thus he thinks that The Smithsonian's declaration some decades back may have been because they were looking at a section where there were natural formations.

    However, a really interesting part of his talk is where he mentions all the crystals that were found in the mix that made up the rocks, and one of them (I forget which one right now, but maybe it was tourmaline???, maybe not, he listed quite a few crystals in his talk) had to be separated from what it normally is found with before being put in with the others - all of which were ground to small bits, but somehow, when put together with the mixture didn't adhere to each other.

    He said that he would like to compare the various crystals found in this mixture to what is found at the Bosnian Pyramid.

    There was a photo of Christopher Dunn (author of a book on the Giza Pyramid) at the site and Josh Reeves told an interesting story of the rockwall having an apparent piezo effect that became apparent when a big construction equipment (like a bulldozer or something) was running, and it created a vibration that the wall picked up. Because there were these unusual metal rings found - he listed the various metals found in the rings, of which he said the presence of tin was significant - and that these rings reminded him of something to do with cables or plugging something in to get energy.

    He also mentioned that the construction, due to something to do with "buttress" construction, allowed for something really big and heavy to settle on the wall, which would then start the piezo effect, and perhaps provide energy via the metal rings.

    Also, the wall is level all around the site, at the same height.

    Not done with the video, but last year I watched whatever Bosnian pyramid videos I could find - really enjoyed the Earthkeeper talk the best - and it appears the findings are coming out fast about Ancient structures and more and more common factors in the construction are being found.

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    Editing Post after finishing the YouTube video (linked above) of Josh Reeves' talk in Texas. A very interesting talk, a slideshow, as Josh Reeves is very articulate and quick minded and full of more information than he manages to get out in the short time he has for a talk . . . even though this was over 2 hours.

    Some additional information that came out in this talk (which I recommend to be watched) is the thought by some of the in-depth researchers of the Texas Rockwall site that it was built by aliens. Josh Reeves speculated that the big and heavy thing that would settle on top of the wall, thus starting the piezo energy, along with the iron rings (and there are also bore holes) would allow for energy transfer?. Also, in response to an audience question, the wall is estimated to go down 100 feet. The wall and entire area was speculated to have been covered in a big catastrophic event (he explains how the conclusion came about).

    Also, in Josh Reeves Ancient America Volume 1 dvd (linked above) there were many instances as he traveled to various sites across the USA where instances of all the artifacts, or most of them, especially anything to do with giants or their skeletons were taken by "The Smithsonian". These reports go back far in time and wide in geography.

    Interestingly, in a book I recently read "Flying Saucer to the Center of Your Mind" a collection of writings by John Keel, there is mention in various places in the book of a similar confiscation or clean-up in various stories he relates of "The Smithsonian" representatives removing unusual artifacts or evidence. However, he relates these representatives as having a connection with Men In Black. He has a lot of MIB stories in this book.

    http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Saucer-...r+of+your+mind

    It makes one wonder . . . in John Keel's writings the MIB seem to have a purpose of not letting the population experience something beyond everyday reality - by removing strange evidence and warning people who have had strange experiences to keep quiet and John Keel even suggested that those that didn't disappeared.

    As Josh Reeves travels around to strange ancient American sites, with histories of giants, or high technology, or unknown writing, megalithic structures aligned to various stars or seasons, he mentions over and over again that things were removed by "The Smithsonian" representatives.

    The Bosnian Pyramid research did meet up with quite a bit of academic resistance, as was amusingly told in Dr. Semir Osmanagich's talk at the Earthkeeper conference (on YouTube). As far as I know, he hasn't related any tales of confiscated or removed items. Maybe it's just an ancient America thing.

    Interestingly too, in various interviews and lectures, one thing that commonly comes up in reference to "The Smithsonian" and the ancient America artifacts they took from various sites - as mentioned in Josh Reeves YouTube talk in Texas about an ancient coin that was found - is that over and over again "The Smithsonian" has lost or can't find specific items they had taken from various sites. In this talk, Josh Reeves mentions that "The Smithsonian" told someone who flew there to see this coin, after he got there, that they couldn't find it.

    That is strange, that this famous museum keeps losing historical stuff.

    It would be great if Dr. Semir Osmanagich could also visit the Rockwall site, or if Josh Reeves could also visit the Bosnian Pyramid, and if they could compare the materials found in the composition of the huge rocks. Josh Reeves spends a lot of time in the first hour of his Texas talk on the composition.
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    Personally, I have not seen anything that would convince me that these actually are man made pyramids, or even man modified hills.

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    Personally, I have not seen anything that would convince me that these actually are man made pyramids, or even man modified hills.
    Which youtube videos have you watched? There are quite a few with Dr. Semir Osmanagich has done - I prefer the one he did with Earthkeeper as I really enjoyed his wit and humor throughout his talk, and the videographer did okay in capturing his slide show.

    In Rupert Sheldrake's recent book Science Set Free, he gives some amusing and actual firsthand experiences with people who were skeptical about this or that topic, only to find out that they didn't take the time to look at, research, or listen about the very same topic they didn't believe in.

    It is more useful to comment on what specific video you watched, lecture or interview you listened to, or websites you looked at. I think I've watched only 4 or 5 youtube videos about the Bosnian Pyramids, a few over an hour or two. And, listened to at least one interview, maybe it was on Red Ice or such, which would be about 2 hours. And, I've been to the website a few times. But, not recently, so I appreciate information that comes out as updates to things I learned a couple years ago. The recent short youtube video on the composition of the materials is very interesting as an update.

    Please point out the video or information source that leads you to your opinion? That would be so helpful as I like to look at something from different angles. Thank you.

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    Can't remember the names of the ones I have watched, but have watched good 4 or 5 of them, including the one "debunking" the pyramid.
    If there was even a little of something I would reconsider, as I would love to have a huge pyramid in Europe, but I don't think this is it.
    There is no real evidence anywhere that this actually is pyramid. Claims of manmade concrete, ceramic blocks etc. needs evidence to support it and they haven't provided any.
    As for the tunnels, there IS evidence for the mining operations in there that took place in the middle ages.
    Also so called evidence that it is very old simply based on a vegetation found in strata is not evidence of anything.
    Example: Where I live they have build a hill, just from sand, but clearly a manmade stucture. Now, if in 300 years someone went there and then dug under the hill and found plant material deposited in to the soil in the last ice age (area is full of ridges and pits created by ice) and carbon dated it to 20 000 years old, it does not make the hill above it as old.

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    . . .
    There is no real evidence anywhere that this actually is pyramid. Claims of manmade concrete, ceramic blocks etc. needs evidence to support it and they haven't provided any. . .
    I haven't personally been to the site, only able to watch the videos and slide show lectures done by Dr. S.O.

    here's a good one, again:



    But, the manmade concrete is validated via the laboratory test results (as in the short Youtube video provided on the first page of this thread) - that's evidence to me short of actually going to the site myself, collecting a sample, delivering it to the lab, watching the procedure, and then reading the scientist's results.



    The ceramic blocks have been discussed for a few years at least, and I've seen the various photographs if the blocks which were located inside the structure, and because I'm also on some dowsing related lists have read further information on their relationship to the location of water.

    http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/index.php?id=34&lang=en

    Quote Megaliht K-2 - Underground Labyrinth 'Ravne'

    About 160 meters inside the Underground Labyrinth ‘Ravne,’ in the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids, lies an 800kg heavy ceramic block named Megalith K-2. Megalith K-2 was found 4 years ago and has since been one of the main tourist attractions in Visoko, Bosnia & Herzegovina.

    Although there have been several megalit blocks found in the underground tunnels in Visoko, Megalith K-2 has been the largest one found by a long shot.

    Samples of Megalith K-2 were sent to the Institute for Atomic Physics - Rudjer Boskovic in Zagreb; the results demonstrated that the Megalit K-2 is a large ceramic block. The conclusion to draw from these findings is that the 8 ton ceramic block is not natural, but man made. This makes the Megalith K-2 the largest known ceramic sculpture in the world.

    The surface of Megalith K-2 is a relief which resembles a valley with two intersecting rivers and hills.

    Measurements show that 22 meters under the exact location where Megalith K-2 is found, there is a junction of two water flows.

    It appears that this large ceramic block was opened and closed at some point in time.

    Measurements taken show that an object made out of silicon has been detected on the inside. It has not yet been decided if the scientists will attempt to open the ceramic block and take a closer look.

    Scientific measurements show that Megalith K-2 releases an electromagnetic energy field with the frequency of 28 kHz and an ultrasound in the range of 28-33 kHz.

    People studying bio-energy and other alternative sciences are reporting restorative waves emanating from the Megalith K-2 which are beneficial to the human body. When in close proximity to the megalith, it is reported that one feels a calming sensation, warmth and pulsation.

    Many meditation sessions have been held around the megalith over the past 4 years; the word about the healing attributes of the ceramic block is well known among the volunteers in Visoko.

    Famous Slovenian violinist, Miha Pogacnik, held a concert in the Underground Labyrinth Ravne on the July 1st, 2012, while sitting on the Megalith K-2.

    For more information about the Megalith K-2, we would advise you view a 15 minute YouTube video made by the team of Dr.sc. Slobodan Mizdrak, titled ‘MEGALIT K-2 - Underground Labyrinth RAVNE’. This video is filmed by Fiko Henna rANKo TINTORetto and is mainly in English.


    In the Earthkeeper lecture Dr. S.O. did he did an amusing section of all the pyramids worldwide that were denied being pyramids. He'd have a photo of the "it's not a pyramid" up on the screen, then quote the local "authorities" saying "It's not a pyramid" and show this same pattern worldwide.

    The events related to the renowned Egyptian expert on pyramids who helped in the early research on the Bosnian pyramid (shared also in the Earthkeeper lecture) was disheartening. Because he helped, and affirmed that this Bosnian pyramid was real, he lost his job and was ridiculed. I hope he didn't lose his retirement too.

    http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/index.php?id=20&lang=en

    Quote Egyptian expert confirmed that stone blocks are man-made

    One of the leading Egyptian pyramid experts, Ali Abdallah Berekat, geologist at the Egyptian Mineral Resources Authority, confirmed that the stone blocks excavated on the Visocica hillside – Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun - are not natural, but man-made creations.

    Semir Osmanagic confirmed Berekat’s statement in the interview given to the FENA News Agency and said that Berekat explained how the stone blocks were made. According to the expert coming from the land of pyramids, the stone blocks were molded.

    Also, Osmanagic said that the Egyptian expert explained the purpose of the white building material excavated on the north side of the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun.

    http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/index.php?id=20&lang=en

    “Ali Abdallah Berekat PhD is sure that white building material is actually connective material, or the same type of material used to build the walls of the Egyptian temples”, Osmanagic said and added that the statement made by the Egyptian expert is a very important verification of the hypothesis about the existence of the pyramids.
    The pyramids in Egypt are a major source of revenue, and the Bosnian pyramid structures are bigger, thus there is reason for the Egyptian keepers of the archaeological treasures to do all they can to dispute the Bosnian site.

    Now, as to the Bosnian pyramid being *entirely* 100% geopolymer? (was that the word they used to indicate it was a *man*-made (was it even *man* who made it?) material, that I don't know.

    I think it is interesting that the Rockwall of Texas, which is entirely level at the top edges, but can go down to about 100 feet, that was covered by some catastrophe and is now mostly buried, is not entire made of these geopolymer? (blended stones) but also incorporates some of the existing geology.

    Just because some of the Rockwall has used what was already existing, then continues on, doesn't mean the wall doesn't exist.



    (the entire lecture was longer than this youtube sample, it appears he has the longer version for sale - in the first hour there is a lot of discussion of what the rockwall is made of, with samples of the various ingredients passed around)

    To say there is no evidence of the Bosnian structure being a pyramid, when the evidence is offered, video taped, photographed, has some type of imaging done on it to see inside, has laboratory analysis done on it with a report that says what the blend is made of. That's a handy dandy *skeptics* argument.

    As Rupert Sheldrake showed as he sought to debate a skeptic, even after sending the skeptic information to research and study, when it came time to debate the skeptic (who had no problem putting down Rupert Sheldrake's work) the skeptic came to debate without even looking at the materials. (per Science Set Free book and recent youtube interviews)





    From the Bosnian Pyramid website:

    http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/index.php?id=39&lang=en

    excerpt from the page, see page for the photographs:

    Quote The construction material comprising the Pyramid of the Sun is not a normal, natural process. Dr. Aly Barakat, a geologist from Cairo, spent weeks researching all of the environment surrounding the Pyramid of the Sun. He did not find materials similar to the blocks of the Pyramid of the Sun and therefore he concluded his research noting that the pyramid is a natural hill shaped by man and covered with stone blocks. Other scientists, however are continuing to research differing hypotheses.

    Dr. Semir Osmanagic is the founder of a government funded geological excavation project that aims to uncover and learn more about the potential pyramids in Visoko, Bosnia and Herzegovina. The foundation is called “Archaeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation.” Osmanagic and his team are continuing to research the hypothesis that the pyramid is constructed from the blocks, unlike Dr. Aly Barakat who suspects the pyramid consists of blocks covering a man-made hill. Osmanagic and his team theorized this for two reasons: Firstly, because only a few areas of the pyramid were cleared of soil and vegetation. Secondly, the excavation techniques being used were not enough to see deeply enough into the pyramid to determine if anything is located on the inside.

    Semir Osmanagic discussed how each concrete block is a different size and shape, and how this structure is similar to pyramidal structures in Cuzco, Peru. He suggests that a potential benefit of having a structure with different sized and shaped blocks is to help with structural stability; blocks of this sort would lock themselves in as opposed to collapsing during, for example, an earthquake.

    Osmanagic also talks about how the spaces between the blocks go all of the way to the inside of the pyramids, and how these gaps possibly served to collect water and to ventilate the air. He also speculates that the reason that there two layer blocks on the pyramids (the base being completely flat and the top being wavy and textured) is that, “whoever designed these blocks wanted a wavy texture on the top.” In general, there are two types of blocks, each with a different look - one block looks like a monolith line of concrete and the other block looks like construction plates with clear edges and sides.

    Although the construction of the Bosnian Pyramids in Visoko, Bosnia and Herzegovina is not entirely known, there seems to be evidence pointing towards the idea that the material used to build the pyramids is an extremely advanced form of man-made concrete with unique properties. Perhaps research done by volunteers of the “Archaeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation” over the summer of 2013 will tell us more...
    I wish I was naturally a skeptic. It would save me a lot of time.

    I see evidence. You don't see evidence. People are wonderfully different, and that's a good thing. How boring it would be if we all thought alike.

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    Quote Posted by Alien Ramone (here)
    I have looked at some of the other discussions on this forum about the Bosnian pyramid and realize that a major significance of it is evidence for a civilization over 25,000 years ago, but I'm specifically wondering about the construction, because I'm not finding much consistent information on that. In the argument about whether it is a pyramid or hill, I guess a major determining factor is how you define "Pyramid" and what the actual construction is.

    There are some pictures of areas where it looks like there is stone cladding, and articles talk about the entire pyramid being covered over in top soil. Is it supposedly a hill that was formed into a pyramid shape or built from the ground up, then completely or partially covered over in stone cladding by humans, and eventually covered over by top soil by nature?

    Or

    Is it just a hill that is naturally shaped like a pyramid and has remnants of an old civilization including some stone cladding and tunnels in certain areas on it?

    I Just ran across an article where a researcher claims that ancient concrete was used, but there is no specifics about whether that supposedly covers or fills the whole pyramid or if it is just found in one area. If the whole surface or interior was concrete or stone, I would think that wherever they dug they would run into it:
    http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-scie...t-2441772.html


    From articles and videos, it doesn't seem like it has a stone interior with granite cladding like the Great Pyramid of Giza and therefore wouldn't have the same possible function related to that type of construction. Some have speculated that the Giza construction could have given that pyramid some type of electrical energy.

    Here is a short video that discusses the Bosnian pyramid:

    The Smithsonian's 2009 article debunking the Bosnian Pyramids:

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histor...990462/?no-ist

    In the same Smithsonian article page, in the last of 4 reader's comments below the article was a link to an interesting, generously photo-filled response to specific points debunkers have made:

    http://anamericaninbosnia.blogspot.c...genda_455.html

    (Lots of photos here at An American In Bosnia blogpage, but I don't know how to share them, so you have to click the webpage link above to see them)



    From another angle to consider, there is the work of Dr. Harry Oldfield, who has made available a new form of photography that shows energy patterns. I bought one of his low cost filters to use in front of a camera lens and found it to have interesting results. Of course, he must have been using his more professional version, which was a lot more expensive. The more expensive version was available if you sent in the camera lens to be adapted, but I just used the slide filter and held it in front of my camera. I wish I had the more expensive version because sometimes it is good to see things for ones self.

    Here is Dr. Harry Oldfield's energetic photography of the Bosnian site:



    I bought some of the documentaries Dr. Oldfield had on his website, and the energetic photographs of people, artifacts, and landscapes are fascinating. The Bosnian Pyramid photographs shown in this Youtube video are an example.

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    I haven't personally been to the site, only able to watch the videos and slide show lectures done by Dr. S.O.

    here's a good one, again:

    Before seeing that video, I had been thinking that by excavating a corner they could get a lot of clues and possibly strong evidence of construction. At 1:06:38 into the video he shows a photo of the corner, and although it looks like a very straight corner, it's difficult to see the shape of the corner piece in that shot.

    At 106:50 into the video, he shows a place where they excavated, and it does appear that there are blocks that have been put in place, but it looks like some blocks are missing in part of the excavation, so I'm guessing that it must be thought that some of the blocks slid down before it got completely covered over with soil and vegetation.

    Considering how much higher the land is on one side, I wonder if it is thought that the pyramid had a much higher starting point on one side, or that the pyramid was built on level ground with the soil then building up much more over time on one side.

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    Osmanagić's assertions have been categorically refuted by a number of experts, who have accused him of promoting pseudo-scientific notions and damaging archaeological sites with his excavations.

    Amar Karapuš, a curator at the Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina in Sarajevo, said "When I first read about the pyramids I thought it was a very funny joke. I just couldn't believe that anyone in the world could believe this."

    Garrett Fagan of Penn State University is quoted as saying "They should not be allowed to destroy genuine sites in the pursuit of these delusions[...] It’s as if someone were given permission to bulldoze Stonehenge to find secret chambers of lost ancient wisdom underneath."

    Enver Imamović of the University of Sarajevo, a former director of the National Museum of Sarajevo, concerned that the excavations will damage historic sites such as the medieval royal capital Visoki, said that the excavations would "irreversibly destroy a national treasure". Excavations by archaeologists not related to the Foundation in the summer of 2008 uncovered medieval artefacts and led to renewed calls for the government to cancel Osmanagić's digging permits.

    One of his former employees, Nadija Nukic, told a Bosnian newspaper that carvings on stones that Osmanagić characterizes as dating from ancient times were not present when the stones were first uncovered but were later inscribed by his team, an accusation that Osmanagić denies.

    Source: wikipedia

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    Quote Posted by HaulinBananas (here)
    I haven't personally been to the site, only able to watch the videos and slide show lectures done by Dr. S.O.

    here's a good one, again:

    Before seeing that video, I had been thinking that by excavating a corner they could get a lot of clues and possibly strong evidence of construction. At 1:06:38 into the video he shows a photo of the corner, and although it looks like a very straight corner, it's difficult to see the shape of the corner piece in that shot.

    At 106:50 into the video, he shows a place where they excavated, and it does appear that there are blocks that have been put in place, but it looks like some blocks are missing in part of the excavation, so I'm guessing that it must be thought that some of the blocks slid down before it got completely covered over with soil and vegetation.

    Considering how much higher the land is on one side, I wonder if it is thought that the pyramid had a much higher starting point on one side, or that the pyramid was built on level ground with the soil then building up much more over time on one side.
    I haven't personally been to the Bosnian Pyramids, and can only watch videos, lectures, and read articles, hopefully with photos. Most of us can only absorb the information that is made available and hope that some great mysteries will be solved in our lifetime. It does seem apparent that there is a huge amount of information available via the internet, and that previously tightly controlled turfdoms of knowledge and research are being broken down. Whether or not the Bosnian Pyramids are entirely blocks, or land encased, or land partially blocks and partially cased, I hope there will be some way to determine this.

    It is interesting to see more documentaries coming out that examine the ancient earth evidence of advanced technology scattered across the world, such as evidence of lasers or high precision drilling, and some type of ability to move or raise or shape or mold stone or create a blend that is not technologically possible with today's "advanced" tools, methods, and knowledge.

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    Osmanagić's assertions have been categorically refuted by a number of experts, who have accused him of promoting pseudo-scientific notions and damaging archaeological sites with his excavations.

    Amar Karapuš, a curator at the Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina in Sarajevo, said "When I first read about the pyramids I thought it was a very funny joke. I just couldn't believe that anyone in the world could believe this."

    Garrett Fagan of Penn State University is quoted as saying "They should not be allowed to destroy genuine sites in the pursuit of these delusions[...] It’s as if someone were given permission to bulldoze Stonehenge to find secret chambers of lost ancient wisdom underneath."

    Enver Imamović of the University of Sarajevo, a former director of the National Museum of Sarajevo, concerned that the excavations will damage historic sites such as the medieval royal capital Visoki, said that the excavations would "irreversibly destroy a national treasure". Excavations by archaeologists not related to the Foundation in the summer of 2008 uncovered medieval artefacts and led to renewed calls for the government to cancel Osmanagić's digging permits.

    One of his former employees, Nadija Nukic, told a Bosnian newspaper that carvings on stones that Osmanagić characterizes as dating from ancient times were not present when the stones were first uncovered but were later inscribed by his team, an accusation that Osmanagić denies.

    Source: wikipedia
    Buares, the "categorical refutations" were discussed in the lectures on youtube, which I hope you have spent some time to watch as well. It is so easy when a person wants to make a point in a thread to just spend a few seconds to Google an answer that negates someone else point of view. I have spent time watching videos, reading articles, perusing websites, and then made some of my own remarks that briefly summarized my opinion based on what I have absorbed.

    Thank you for going to Wikipedia and retrieving some quotes to assert a skeptical or debunker's point of view.

    However, Wikipedia is ruled by skeptics and debunkers, and even people who know much about a particular topic can have their knowledge erased and replaced by some fourteen year old with an agenda.

    Quote Most of the people who have problems with Wikipedia are trying to get some bit of information corrected on a subject of their expertise. Hilarity often ensues.

    A Nobel Prize winning physicist and a senior editor of a science magazine tried to get an article about Energy Catalyst fixed, and failed. Professor Timothy Messer-Kruse tried to get an article about the Haymarket riots, his area of expertise, corrected, using the Library of Congress as a source and failed as well. Economist David Henderson was not trusted to know his own birthday.

    These types of problems occur because anybody can edit Wikipedia. In order for all of these people to edit this encyclopedia, Wikipedia has a rule that only secondary sources are allowed because primary sources need to be interpreted. It’s more complicated than that, but what happens is that this opens the door for all sorts of gaming of Wikipedia by less than objective editors. Especially in regards to controversial topics and people, there are often a number of conflicting opinions to choose from and it requires a bit of subject knowledge to sort them out. If you’re an ideologue however, you merely choose the opinions that you agree with and ignore everything else while dismissing contrary sources as being biased.
    http://weilerpsiblog.wordpress.com/2...kes-biography/

    Craig Weiler has made some excellent points and done some great research on what has happened to Wikipedia (which started out as a great idea but has been hijacked.)

    Again, if only I was a skeptic and debunker. I'd have so much more time. Alas, I'm an avid sponge for information on certain topics. Not that it makes me an expert. Just someone who is curious.

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    Live on location with Dr. Semir Osmanagich
    I think Dr. Osmanagich is the real deal, and is being attacked because he is such a threat to the established order in Academia, and especially to the tourist industry in Egypt.
    I saw him speak on two occasions and was very impressed.
    He has had plenty of validation from respected sources as well as detractors.+

    Live on location with Dr. Semir Osmanagich
    http://www.awakeningzone.com/Episode...his+Week+on+AZ
    Quote Live from Bosnia! Jonette in the Valley of the Pyramids
    This week Jonette Crowley talks live on location with Dr. Semir Osmanagich, who in 2005 discovered a complex of pyramids in Bosnia, including one that is the largest in the world. Subsequent discoveries have revealed a large complex of other monuments and interconnecting tunnels, along with unusual electromagnetic beams radiating from the pyramids and many other fascinating details. Hear all about them on Thursday, May 22 at Noon CDT on Journeys with Jonette!
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    Default Re: The Bosnian Pyramid - rewriting human history?

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    he is such a threat [...] to the tourist industry in Egypt.
    This really is not an argument. If you like pyramids and even if there are hundreds of them, you still need to visit Egypt anyway. The fact is that Osmanagich is corrupting the truth and it's a shame that Zahi Hawass is to blame for Semir's lies. I'd like Osmanagich to say that it is not a conventional pyramid like the ones in Egypt (but still an interesting archaeological site) but it might be too late for him to go back and admit the hoax.

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    Default Re: The Bosnian Pyramid - rewriting human history?

    I think that there are pyramids in Bosnia, but I admit that I could be absolutely wrong. I wish that someone like Graham Hancock could visit the place with his expert friends and have their say about, though Robert Schoch didn't think that those were pyramids, but note that he was also wrong about the Yonaguni underwater monuments. Graham Hancock is convinced that those monuments certainly are not natural formations and I agree, it is so obvious just by looking at the pictures.

    Earlier David Wilcock though that those were not pyramids, but later he changed opinion. I would love to visit the Bosnian pyramids one day myself and make my own conclusions. So far there is data for and against the "pyramids".
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    I cant be sure either way, it's like pulling teeth to get information. I was following this with much interest but the information available is conflicting or from questionable sources not that I am suggesting that highly regarded mainstream sources can necessarily be trusted with something that may well be challenging history as it has been upheld for so long. The Balkans are old, really old so I wouldn't entirely discount the possiblilty. I think the biggest problem is how SO has managed the project, I have to say I do agree with the experts on damaging an archeolgical site with what appears to be balls out backhoeing all over the show, it's a big risk.

    Found this interesting article, which none of you will under stand lol, but you never know. The Catholic Church has a lot of explaining to do with the buring and pillaging in Croatia as well as Bosna etc (not to mention the rest of the world).

    http://sibenskiportal.hr/2014/03/13/...ledu-sibenika/

    I'll give you the gist, I've found nothing else, it seems to be one of those blips.
    It explains how an interesting feature on a map of the region of Nevest and Sera in Zagora (Croatia) produced in 1570 - the site was found - "Colina Pyramide" as marked on the map.

    What got his attention was the village of Ostrogašica as it seems to be named after the Ostrogoths that once ruled the area. When studying the maps he saw the "pyramid" pictured and titled. On location there is evidence of stone construction (pictured) this is in the shape of a fortress, he is rather reseved about it but feels it makes sense especially when considering the aerial photography, history and checking different souces he feels that it is but advises to leave it open to interpretation.

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    Sorry forgot to name "him" Alan Mandić
    AND! I found an English version! Yay for you

    http://digitaljournal.com/life/trave...article/375835
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    an interesting feature on a map of the region of Nevest and Sera in Zagora (Croatia) produced in 1570 - the site was found - "Colina Pyramide" as marked on the map.

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