Question about the matrix: Zion ?

[Operator]

Hi,

Maybe it's just me but although we refer to the Marix a lot where people escape from the Matrix and get enlightened I have a question
about the movie in it's entirety.

Those who have escaped the matrix are now hiding in underground bases, are using advanced technology and chase through underground tunnels.
Also their most important weapon is using EMP and in a scene they are trance-like dancing and call out for Zion.

Do I need to formulate my question or do you get the picture ?

[Luke]

Funny you mention that.

I think about that scene in "Zion underground" when councilor talks with Neo about machines that support life in the city: we know they keep us alive, but we do not know how they do it.

[Tigger]

Now THAT is a superb point!

It reminds me of a scene in the movie "Human Traffic" where Moff says:

The Emperor wants to control outer space, Yoda wants to explore inner space.
That is the fundamental difference between the good and the bad sides of the force.
I don't know where it comes from sometimes I really don't.

[Carmody]

The matrix and philosophy:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=GSE5...page&q&f=false

[Operator]

Posted by Carmody (here)
The matrix and philosophy:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=GSE5...page&q&f=false

Thanks for this link I will check it and see if I find an answer there ...

All others, also thanks for the input ... I think we need to be more critical on the stuff that is fed to us.
UFO's might not be our most important and most urgent focal point at the moment.
(Do not wait for 'them' ... they are probably waiting for us)

[Carmody]

For me, I was formally kicked out of organized religion at the age of 8.5 years, at the same time I quit. (I was never originally in their system n this life). By the time I Was ~12, I told my mother that it was obvious to me that, "you just can't tell them. You can try, and try, and try..until you are blue in the face. They have to go out and experience things on their own."

And on that note, I proceeded to tear down, within myself, the construct that western society and human relations in general manifests upon it's unthinking children. Which becomes the construct of the unrealized feeling self. Which the intellect rides upon when coloring it's judgments. So i tore that edifice down as powerfully as possible in order to clear myself of it's influence. This took until the age of nearly 19. By that time I was a total mess, rootless, damaged beyond all former recognition, and left with nothing but questions that could not be answered by or through my past. It was not mere teenage rebellion it was directed, systematic, and with a plan. However, being a teen and surround by such issues, worlds, society and potentials, it necessarily took on the shape/appearance of extreme teenage rebellion.

This is a literal interpretation of the Socratic method of questioning reality on the fundamental level. I had done nearly the maximum damage possible upon my own psyche form in order to reclaim the intellect from the ashes of my prior burned down monkey minded and directed self. I knew I had to act fast as the young mind is only elastic for so long. Thus I began the clearing as soon as I recognized the problem in the formation of my 'self'.

This would not have been necessary if I had been raised in a clear state in the first place, which is an incredible rarity and does not really exist in this western world of thought/mind forms.

The final point, without covering the needed ~50 (or whatever) pages of text that explains why..is that we need to be training the intellect of our children for mental clarity in the initial wiring from the youngest age possible. As soon as communication allows for their internal mental construct of the idea of thought forms... engage them. I have always done that with kids I run into, by engaging them as questioning small adults that have a blank slate..and they want to know why. They want to understand. Instead of allowing their monkey minds to play as long as possible (a HUGE and fundamental mistake!) in the realm of emotional thought formation, but to intellectually challenge the child into a form of question the existence of the self and reality function as the wiring is formed in the mind. Not me placing anything but they simply having a deeper scope of questions and wider view at these earlier states of mental formation. Thus, giving them a mental tree in the physical mind sense that can grow to immense proportions as they grow, instead of being stunted into a unquestioning and limited construct.

A Giant interconnected oak forest instead of stunted bonsai tree. The latter being where the things that run this planet want you to remain as.

What it can come down to is that: "The more impossible and difficult the problem is to solve, the more fundamental the mistake in the formation of the question".


Which is what you are dealing with here. The damage that Aristotle did to Socrates and Plato. The confusion of the map as being the territory. This is only one point and answering that, like the Socratic method, will only lead to more question and on into infinity and infinite growth. Change being the one nearly immortal and nearly infinite state. The physical desire for comfort in the monkey based mind wants the finality of the black and white..and thus Freud and Aristotle either knowingly or unknowingly polluting man's growth to the point of extreme damage.

The damage that Freud did with attempting to 'solve' the situation and creating the idea of the ego as a finality in forms of analysis of the mental construct.

These are things that the mind does in order to satisfy the emotional underlying construct that thoughts in the mind-- form out of.

An unnoticed and unrealized (intellectually unrealized) DESIRE to have black and white proofs and realities, hence the rise of religious structure and the finality in laws in the so called "intellectual" scientific method. The bigger the internally created mental construct box, the harder it is to see the edges of the system and thus find a way out of the mind trap. thus, modern science, and Aristotelian philosophy..and the nightmare of emotionally derived modern society.

finality and perfection in answers is not growth. It is the decapitation and death of growth. Answers are merely a stage or step in growth. A growth that has no real end, and equates to an unfolding. A journey.

Thus...An answer which completes a full and all encompassing circle of human function is inherently a self lie. Or is... an answer erected by those who wish to control you and your expansion of the self.

This is what got Socrates killed, in essence. He dared to question the fundamentals that defined systems of logic, and broke the circle of control.

We could go on and on here.

[DeBron]

You should do a search of Sophia Stewart, who won a lawsuit for copyright infringement. She wrote a Story and had it copyrighted in 1981, and has purported that the Terminator movies and the Matrix movies were based on her book the 3rd eye. I have listened to her speak before and find her very sincere. I am sure any information about that movie would be best provided from its true creator.

She does have a website:

http://truthaboutmatrix.com/

Happy searching.