The Real Thirteenth Ammendment - Titles of Nobility and Honour

[observer]

- From Wikipedia:
"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain, any title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.

The official story is: "the Original Thirteenth Amendment" - "Titles of Nobility and Honour" - was never ratified. That in the early days of the Republic all but two of the required States for a quorum ratified the amendment, thereby leaving the Amendment un-ratified. As the nation grew, the number of States required for a quorum also grew, therefore the amendment was never ratified.

End of the Official Story.

On February 1, 1865, the Thirteenth Amendment eventually became that which freed the slaves, and of course, the rest is history.

If the Official Story is to be believed, why then would one find anomalous evidence that simply does not support that story?

For starters, one of the States (Virginia), who the official story claims never ratified the amendment, had the same text of that amendment, between 1819–1867, written into that State's Criminal Code. Why would any State rewrite the words of the amendment into code if they hadn't also ratified the United States Constitutional Amendment?

Many of the members, here on Avalon, are already aware how the 'historic record' is not actually a record of what occurred.

I would suggest that we consider, over a fifty year period of time (1812 to 1861), enough Esquire Lawyers got themselves into positions of enough importance to obscure the records, leaving a paper trail that did not coincide with the facts of history. This is a template that has been reused consistently over the history of Humanity.

One of the anomalies pointing to this alleged rewriting, is the fact that many of the earlier publications of the United States Constitution did include the "Titles of Nobility and Honour" Amendment.

- From Wikipedia:
"The assertion that the Titles of Nobility Amendment has been ratified by the required number of states has never been upheld by any court in the United States."

Of course not! Does anyone suppose a court of Esquires would ever uphold the idea that amendment was ever ratified?

In my humble opinion, the "Titles of Nobility" Amendment was ratified, and over an extended period of time, all evidence of that ratification was expunged from the record - in the same way so much of history has been altered, all the way back to remote antiquity.

What difference does any of this make, you might ask?

For starters, every lawyer practicing as an "Esquire" would effectively be considered a non-citizen, if the Real Thirteenth Amendment were acknowledged.

It would be a great benefit to Humanity if someone well versed in Constitutional Law could do the proper research to prove the Real Thirteenth Amendment was actually made a part of the U. S. Constitution.

I'd love to read some informed comments....

[PurpleLama]

Article. I.
Section. 9.

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.



I don't know about the missing amendment, but one might wonder how many of these critters might be holding office these days. I hear JP Farrell mention this in a recent interview on the Byte show.

[observer]

Thank you PurpleLama.

Article 1, Section 9, of the U. S. Constitution addresses the granting of Title of Nobility by the United States Government.

The "Titles of Nobility" Amendment was introduced to prevent any U. S. Citizen from holding a title of nobility from any foreign government.

It would appear from the surviving evidence that the amendment received the proper amount of ratifying State votes. The records to this effect were all lost during the war of 1812 when in 1814 most of Washington, DC was burned to the ground by British Forces.

Of course thereafter, a clever manipulation of facts by agents of the Temple Bar (Esquires) obscured this ratification over a 50 (or so) year period of time.

It has been suggested that to swear allegiance to the Temple Bar, and to be given the Title of Nobility, "Esquire", effectively nullifies that individual's United States Citizenship.

The members might want to review the collections of facts and opinions on this website:

http://www.barefootsworld.net/real13th.html

[thank you heyokah for that link]

[sigma6]

Posted by observer (here)

- From Wikipedia:
"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain, any title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.

The official story is: "the Original Thirteenth Amendment" - "Titles of Nobility and Honour" - was never ratified. That in the early days of the Republic all but two of the required States for a quorum ratified the amendment, thereby leaving the Amendment un-ratified. As the nation grew, the number of States required for a quorum also grew, therefore the amendment was never ratified.

End of the Official Story.

On February 1, 1865, the Thirteenth Amendment eventually became that which freed the slaves, and of course, the rest is history.

If the Official Story is to be believed, why then would one find anomalous evidence that simply does not support that story?

For starters, one of the States (Virginia), who the official story claims never ratified the amendment, had the same text of that amendment, between 1819–1867, written into that State's Criminal Code. Why would any State rewrite the words of the amendment into code if they hadn't also ratified the United States Constitutional Amendment?

Many of the members, here on Avalon, are already aware how the 'historic record' is not actually a record of what occurred.

I would suggest that we consider, over a fifty year period of time (1812 to 1861), enough Esquire Lawyers got themselves into positions of enough importance to obscure the records, leaving a paper trail that did not coincide with the facts of history. This is a template that has been reused consistently over the history of Humanity.

One of the anomalies pointing to this alleged rewriting, is the fact that many of the earlier publications of the United States Constitution did include the "Titles of Nobility and Honour" Amendment.

- From Wikipedia:
"The assertion that the Titles of Nobility Amendment has been ratified by the required number of states has never been upheld by any court in the United States."

Of course not! Does anyone suppose a court of Esquires would ever uphold the idea that amendment was ever ratified?

In my humble opinion, the "Titles of Nobility" Amendment was ratified, and over an extended period of time, all evidence of that ratification was expunged from the record - in the same way so much of history has been altered, all the way back to remote antiquity.

What difference does any of this make, you might ask?

For starters, every lawyer practicing as an "Esquire" would effectively be considered a non-citizen, if the Real Thirteenth Amendment were acknowledged.

It would be a great benefit to Humanity if someone well versed in Constitutional Law could do the proper research to prove the Real Thirteenth Amendment was actually made a part of the U. S. Constitution.

I'd love to read some informed comments....

Every lawyer is a non citizen. That is part of the interpretation. When you step across the gate (cross the bar) you are stepping into a foreign jurisdiction) How they do this, on what level of secrecy, in trust or not, I don't know, but that has been in the commercial redemption interpretation, over and over... I can never get that heavy into US legal history but it is fraught with this kind of secrecy and subterfuge. The biggest evidence is right in everyone one's face. Why are the IRS and Fed Reserve non governmental agencies yet have the most control in the country, and the best legal protection. Because they are controlled by the same master the controls the BAR association. There is a Temple Bar in the Inner City of London.

Winston Shrout has done an series talking about why the first President was not ol Georgie, he was president 14 years after 1776. Why? A second secret incorporation of the US, may have been in the works right from the beginning. The satanic architecture and freemason stuff shown in Washington DC had to be planned in advance. That is the proof. In truth, we know so much less then what we do know... is the sad truth.

The Orphan Constitution.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BjycSqGRQDs

It's not just about Obama's Birth Certificate, but uses it as a focal point to explain something that is much more far reaching...
This stuff is everywhere... this is why the US government is a defacto commercial entity doing nothing but commerce, using smoke and mirrors.
which means your rights .... are being flushed down the toilet.

Why Obama's Birth Certificate is Irrelevant Part 1 of 6

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2KZJWOVhhrc

Why Obama's Birth Certificate is Irrelevant Part 2 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkG7T8tgfcw

Why Obama's Birth Certificate is Irrelevant Part 3 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJHZyAk8aRg

Why Obama's Birth Certificate is Irrelevant Part 4 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivLdbRQDwTc

Why Obama's Birth Certificate is Irrelevant Part 5 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUAVwLn8IXQ

Why Obama's Birth Certificate is Irrelevant Part 6 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3-UHla8F9k


Thus (yet another reason) why the whole legal profession is cloaked in secrecy.

Why there is a separate de facto government. Why everything in this defacto government is controlled by commercial contract, not the constitution. They are careful to keep it separate. This is the whole reason for the the "Commercial Redemption" movement. Exactly these type of stories.


US is not just a government corporation, it's a COMMERCIAL FOR PROFIT CORPORATION. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO IT'S RULES. THAT IS AN ILLUSION THAT YOU, YOUR PARENTS, YOUR GRAND PARENTS, AND THEIR PARENTS WERE BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING.

Judge Napolitano - Congressman Allen West, Connie Mack,
US President is CEO of a CORPORATION! (posing as a de facto government)
on Glenn Beck Mar 9, 2011

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dG60frvwTrM

And Corporations are supposed to be controlled by trust interpretation. Ask Bill Gates, the death knell of any corporation is .... ANTI-TRUST allegations.... (how ironic but there you have it...)

The constitution is still there, they are infact reviving it as we speak. Part of a process of people who aware of the issue. They hid it from you. They are playing on the HUGE INERTIA of centuries of ignorance as a hedge and protection against this day... The day of awakening is going to be a RUDE AND PAINFUL AWAKENING for those who even get the chance. Back to school for the whole nation will be the order of the day.

[observer]

Thanks for that informed input, sigma6.

I would advise any concerned member to listen to the videos sigma has offered.

My reaction is to paraphrase the words of Randy Newman:

"[Esquires] are just the same
As you and I
(A fool such as I)
All men are brothers
Until the day they die
(It's a wonderful world)"

It's as we've always known, smoke-and-mirrors.

[observer]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
For the content of Sigma6's comment, please click-on the forwarding icon.

For at least the past four thousand years, the Eternal Souls of the Mass of Humanity have been trapped in an endless ass-biting loop of birth-death-rebirth. Most of Humanity doesn't even know this is happening.

• The evidence goes back to the great Jewish Lie known as the Old Testament, or rather the Five Books of Moses. [We could look at evidence that takes the Human condition much further back in time, but that's not the issue, here.]
• That evidence continues with the Roman Empire creation of the New Testament, and the morphing of that book with the original lie into what is known as the Holy Bible.
• Four thousand years later, we have a continuation of this Great Soul Trap with the creation of two separate governments occupying the same space, The United States of America, and The United States.

Funny thing is, The United States of America never really existed - who would have ever guessed?

[heyokah]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
.......

The constitution is still there, they are infact reviving it as we speak. Part of a process of people who aware of the issue. They hid it from you. They are playing on the HUGE INERTIA of centuries of ignorance as a hedge and protection against this day... The day of awakening is going to be a RUDE AND PAINFUL AWAKENING for those who even get the chance. Back to school for the whole nation will be the order of the day.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OlNZN94_u-s

[observer]

Posted by heyokah (here)
For the content of heyokah's coment #7, click-on the forwarding icon.

Thank you for the 'bump' heyokah.

I see this Constitutional issue as a clever continuation of the ages-old Soul Trap.

Ol'Rex Mundi (The King of the World/Demiurge) will continue capturing souls, and reincarnating them back into this gross physical dimension in any way It can.

What better way to accomplish this then to take the sovereignty away from every conscious being - even without them realizing it - and then making them soul slaves to a demonic monetary system.

Very clever....

It all makes perfect sense.

Research Resources:
Demiurge, i.e. Rex Mundi -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge

(scroll-down to "Gnosticism")

[Sierra]

I am assuming that:

""If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain, any title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

...does not apply to lawyers accepting the title of esquire. Somewhere, somewhen, a tiny hidden law was enacted by congress to give default permission to lawyers to accept the title.

And/Or... They really are not US citizens and work under British Admiralty law (if the flag in the US courtroom is bordered in gold braid, British Admiralty law is in effect).

Sierra

P.S. Observer, I was once kissed smack on the lips by Randy Newman lol.

[observer]

Posted by Sierra (here)
"...does not apply to lawyers accepting the title of esquire. Somewhere, somewhen, a tiny hidden law was enacted by congress to give default permission to lawyers to accept the title."

Or, Sierra, certain amendments pertaining to "Titles of Nobility and Honour" were purposely extracted from the original document and the extraction was cleverly covered-up. This is where the evidential trail leads me.

Posted by Sierra (here)
P.S. Observer, I was once kissed smack on the lips by Randy Newman lol.

Sierra, your comment begs the question, did you leave your hat on? lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfZdbzfWE1k

[gripreaper]

My take, is the original Articles of Confederation, which were drafted with the help of the indigenous indians, did not suit the gentried freemason landowners with ties to the crown, and half the freedom loving delegates without ties to the crown were thinking, hey the people in the 13 colonies are not going to sign up for this new constitution because they will see it is designed for the white male slave and landowners with ties to the crown, and will never buy into it, so we need to add a 'bill of rights" to it in order to make it more palatable.

So they did. The rest is history, but not the history taught in schools. The real true story is we have always been an agent of the crown, a subsidiary of Rome, and indentured slaves, run by nobility. That's why they took the original 13th amendment out.

[sigma6]

There are two types of slavery. One is a total misconception the other is more accurate, but nobody has looked into the history and connected the dots.

To call the Black's slaves was either a mockery of the word slave or purposely designed to misconstrue the interpretation.

Slavery originates from the Roman concept of working off a debt. It was about willingly "working" for someone in exchange for offsetting a debt owed.
Slavery = Voluntary Servitude i.e. by CONSENT

What people Think Slavery is today is mind conditioning and word manipulation and only one definition (Prison for your mind) is actually more properly called INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

And CONSENT is exactly what our current legal system and court system (originated from Roman civil law) is based on today. Ask any lawyer. It's about about getting CONSENT. You are paying tickets "by your consent", You are paying taxes to a Private Banking Cartel "by your consent" You are going into a court, and coming under the jurisdiction of the personage of a guy wearing a wig and a black robe, "by your consent" Thus you are going to jail "by your consent".

Problem is people keep looking at these words from their own point of view... I suggest we start looking at these words according to the view of the people in power. How THEY use it.

People can't rise above the inertia of centuries of misuse and manipulation, and therefore can't see the whole system of SLAVERY is the system we have today, because we can't see it right in front of us.

Btw... I happened to find this book on the 13 Amendment, haven't read it yet, it just in my library... so I put it up on 4shared...
http://www.4shared.com/office/uAa7nq...h_Amendme.html

[heyokah]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
.....
Btw... I happened to find this book on the 13 Amendment, haven't read it yet, it just in my library... so I put it up on 4shared...
http://www.4shared.com/office/uAa7nq...h_Amendme.html

Thank you sigma.

This is really a good article and worth reading.

It's a pity I can't copy and paste some of the PDF here to get members to read it .....



http://www.4shared.com/web/preview/pdf/uAa7nqx5ce

[observer]

Thank you sigma, that link unlocked a cache of evidence. It is most significant.

Here's something I found in that document that sigma linked (http://www.4shared.com/office/uAa7nq...h_Amendme.html) which explains just what I had suspected:

- From the "Missing Thirteenth Amendment" Document:

SIGNIFICANCE OF REMOVAL

"To create the present oligarchy (rule by lawyers) which we now endure, the lawyers first
had to remove the 13th "titles of nobility" Amendment that might otherwise have kept
them in check. In fact, it was not until after the Civil War and after the disappearance of
this 13th Amendment, that American Bar Association began to appear and exercise political power."

Since the unlawful deletion of the 13th Amendment, the newly developing Bar
Associations began working diligently to create a system wherein lawyers took on a title
of privilege and nobility as "Esquires" and receive the "honor" of offices and positions
(like District Attorney or Judge) that only lawyers may now hold. By virtue of these
titles, honors, and special privileges, lawyers have assumed political and economic
advantages over the majority of U.S. Nationals. Through these privileges, they have
nearly established a two-tiered citizenship in this Nation where a majority may vote, but
only a minority (lawyers) may run for political office. This two-tiered citizenship is
clearly contrary to Americans' political interests, the Nation's economic welfare, and the
Constitution's egalitarian spirit.

At the very least, this missing 13th Amendment demonstrates that two centuries ago,
lawyers were recognized as enemies of the people and Nation. Some things never
change.

By evidence of just this one fact it becomes apparent the removal of the "Titles of Nobility" Amendment was systematically expunged from the record by a clever cabal of bottom feeders - The American Bar Association. Their conniving spans over 50 years of time.

One has to wonder what The United States of America would have become had it not been for The American Bar Association. Had the "Titles of Nobility" Amendment remained intact, would any of these narcistic elitists attorneys be considered citizen?

None of them would be permitted to hold public office.

[Sierra]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)
P.S. Observer, I was once kissed smack on the lips by Randy Newman lol.

Sierra, your comment begs the question, did you leave your hat on? lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfZdbzfWE1k

It was a hot summer night in the hills of Los Gatos, outdoors under huge oak trees, at a villa used for concerts, therefore no hat. Mr. Newman was being talked to death by a fervid fan, so when it was my turn, I said, "Thank you.", and stopped. That was when he grabbed me and kissed me... Hee hee hee. My girlfriend whooped, my husband howled, and that was it.

Sierra

[heyokah]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)
"...does not apply to lawyers accepting the title of esquire. Somewhere, somewhen, a tiny hidden law was enacted by congress to give default permission to lawyers to accept the title."

Or, Sierra, certain amendments pertaining to "Titles of Nobility and Honour" were purposely extracted from the original document and the extraction was cleverly covered-up. This is where the evidential trail leads me.

Observer, you have a point.

From:
The Missing 13th Amendment
"TITLES OF NOBILITY" AND "HONOR"
Date 08/01/91
David Dodge, Researcher
Alfred Adask, Editor

Part I

http://freedom-school.com/truth/10/missing13th.htm

TITLES OF NOBILITY

In seeking to rule the world and destroy the United States, bankers committed many crimes. Foremost among these crimes were fraud, conversion, and plain old theft.
To escape prosecution for their crimes, the bankers did the same thing any career criminal does. They hired and formed alliances with the best lawyers and judges money could buy. These alliances, originally forged in Europe (particularly in Great Britain), spread to the colonies, and later into the newly formed United States of America.

Despite their criminal foundation, these alliances generated wealth, and ultimately, respectability. Like any modern member of organized crime, English bankers and lawyers wanted to be admired as "legitimate businessmen". As their criminal fortunes grew so did their usefulness, so the British monarchy legitimized these thieves by granting them "titles of nobility".

Historically, the British peerage system referred to knights as "Squires" and to those who bore the knight's shields as "Esquires".
As lances, shields, and physical violence gave way to the more civilized means of theft, the pen grew mightier (and more profitable) than the sword, and the clever wielders of those pens (bankers and lawyers) came to hold titles of nobility.
The most common title was "Esquire" (used, even today, by some lawyers).

INTERNATIONAL BAR ASSOCIATION

In Colonial America, attorneys trained attorneys but most held no "title of nobility" or "honor". There was no requirement that one be a lawyer to hold the position of district attorney, attorney general, or judge; a citizen's "counsel of choice" was not restricted to a lawyer; there were no state or national bar associations.
The only organization that certified lawyers was the International Bar Association (IBA), chartered by the King of England, headquartered in London, and closely associated with the international banking system. Lawyers admitted to the IBA received the rank "Esquire" -- a "title of nobility".

"Esquire" was the principle title of nobility which the 13th Amendment sought to prohibit from the United States. Why? Because the loyalty of "Esquire" lawyers was suspect.
Bankers and lawyers with an "Esquire" behind their names were agents of the monarchy, members of an organization whose principle purposes were political, not economic, and regarded with the same wariness that some people today reserve for members of the KGB or the CIA.

Article 1, Sect. 9 of the Constitution sought to prohibit the International Bar Association (or any other agency that granted titles of nobility) from operating in America.
But the Constitution neglected to specify a penalty, so the prohibition was ignored, and agents of the monarchy continued to infiltrate and influence the government (as in the Jay Treaty and the US Bank charter incidents). Therefore, a "title of nobility" amendment that specified a penalty (loss of citizenship) was proposed in 1789, and again in 1810.
The meaning of the amendment is seen in its intent to prohibit persons having titles of nobility and loyalties foreign governments and bankers from voting, holding public office, or using their skills to subvert the government.

HONOR

The missing Amendment is referred to as the "title of nobility" Amendment, but the second prohibition against "honour" (honor), may be more significant.

According to David Dodge, Tom Dunn, and Webster's Dictionary, the archaic definition of "honor" (as used when the 13th Amendment was ratified) meant anyone "obtaining or having an advantage or privilege over another". A contemporary example of an "honor" granted to only a few Americans is the privilege of being a judge: Lawyers can be judges and exercise the attendant privileges and powers; non-lawyers cannot.

By prohibiting "honors", the missing Amendment prohibits any advantage or privilege that would grant some citizens an unequal opportunity to achieve or exercise political power.
Therefore, the second meaning (intent) of the 13th Amendment was to ensure political equality among all American citizens, by prohibiting anyone, even government officials, from claiming or exercising a special privilege or power (an "honor") over other citizens.

If this interpretation is correct, "honor" would be the key concept in the 13th Amendment. Why? Because, while "titles of nobility" may no longer apply in today's political system, the concept of "honor" remains relevant.

For example, anyone who had a specific "immunity" from lawsuits which were not afforded to all citizens, would be enjoying a separate privilege, an "honor", and would therefore forfeit his right to vote or hold public office. Think of the "immunities" from lawsuits that our judges, lawyers, politicians, and bureaucrats currently enjoy.

As another example, think of all the "special interest" legislation our government passes: "special interests" are simply euphemisms for "special privileges" (honors).

WHAT IF?

(Implications if Restored)

If the missing 13th Amendment were restored, "special interests" and "immunities" might be rendered unconstitutional. The prohibition against "honors" (privileges) would compel the entire government to operate under the same laws as the citizens of this nation.
Without their current personal immunities (honors), our judges and I.R.S. agents would be unable to abuse common citizens without fear of legal liability.
If this 13th Amendment were restored, our entire government would have to conduct itself according to the same standards of decency, respect, law, and liability as the rest of the nation.
If this Amendment and the term "honor" were applied today, our government's ability to systematically coerce and abuse the public would be all but eliminated.

Imagine!

A government without special privileges or immunities. How could we describe it? It would be ... almost like ... a government ... of the people ... by the people ... for the people!

Imagine: a government ... whose members were truly accountable to the public; a government that could not systematically exploit its own people!

It's unheard of ... it's never been done before. Not ever in the entire history of the world.

Bear in mind that Senator George Mitchell of Maine and the National Archives concede this 13th Amendment was proposed by Congress in 1810.
However, they explain that there were seventeen states when Congress proposed the "title of nobility" Amendment; that ratification required the support of thirteen states, but since only twelve states supported the Amendment, it was not ratified. The Government Printing Office agrees; it currently prints copies of the Constitution of the United States which include the "title of nobility" Amendment as proposed, but un-ratified.

Even if this 13th Amendment were never ratified, even if Dodge and Dunn's research or reasoning is flawed or incomplete, it would still be an extraordinary story.

Can you imagine, can you understand how close we came to having a political paradise, right here on Earth? Do you realize what an extraordinary gift our forebears tried to bequeath us? And how close we came?

One vote. One state's vote.

The federal government concedes that twelve states voted to ratify this Amendment between 1810 and 1812. But they argue that ratification require thirteen states, so the Amendment lays stillborn in history, unratified for lack of a just one more state's support.

One vote.

David Dodge, however, says one more state did ratify, and he claims he has the evidence to prove it.

Continue in Part II of II

http://freedom-school.com/truth/10/missing13th2.htm

****

September, 2002 -- 2006 An exciting find has come into our hands

http://www.amendment-13.org/index.html

[sigma6]

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)
.....
Btw... I happened to find this book on the 13 Amendment, haven't read it yet, it just in my library... so I put it up on 4shared...
http://www.4shared.com/office/uAa7nq...h_Amendme.html

Thank you sigma.

This is really a good article and worth reading.

It's a pity I can't copy and paste some of the PDF here to get members to read it .....



http://www.4shared.com/web/preview/pdf/uAa7nqx5ce

hey you have to show me how you got a preview link out of 4shared. haha, (will have to figure that one out, didn't know you could do that... completely overlooked that... cool!!! )

[heyokah]

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)
.....
Btw... I happened to find this book on the 13 Amendment, haven't read it yet, it just in my library... so I put it up on 4shared...
http://www.4shared.com/office/uAa7nq...h_Amendme.html

Thank you sigma.

This is really a good article and worth reading.

It's a pity I can't copy and paste some of the PDF here to get members to read it .....



http://www.4shared.com/web/preview/pdf/uAa7nqx5ce

hey you have to show me how you got a preview link out of 4shared. haha, (will have to figure that one out, didn't know you could do that... I'll bet you can do that with other docs and videos to I wonder... cool!!! )

Lol. I went to your link and pressed view document and there it was......

http://www.4shared.com/office/uAa7nq...h_Amendme.html

[observer]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
[....snip]

hey you have to show me how you got a preview link out of 4shared. haha, (will have to figure that one out, didn't know you could do that... I'll bet you can do that with other docs and videos to I wonder... cool!!! )

When I went to the link you provided, a pop-up window appeared telling me to download something called "Citro+4. I opted-out of that download and the original 4Shared Page reappeared. On that page you will see a link that says "view document" near the upper left corner of the page. When I clicked on that link, the document that appeared allowed me to copy-and-paste any of the text I cared to, as I did in Comment #14.

Perhaps not downloading the Citro+4 Program is the key to copying-and-pasting in the document - just a guess....

[sigma6]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)
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hey you have to show me how you got a preview link out of 4shared. haha, (will have to figure that one out, didn't know you could do that... I'll bet you can do that with other docs and videos to I wonder... cool!!! )

When I went to the link you provided, a pop-up window appeared telling me to download something called "Citro+4. I opted-out of that download and the original 4Shared Page reappeared. On that page you will see a link that says "view document" near the upper left corner of the page. When I clicked on that link, the document that appeared allowed me to copy-and-paste any of the text I cared to, as I did in Comment #14.

Perhaps not downloading the Citro+4 Program is the key to copying-and-pasting in the document - just a guess....

yeah be VERY WARY of 4 shared.... I usually put up instructions, I guess I can never repeat this enough... so here is a copy of those instructions... to get past their little advertising game... (that is one pathetic thing about 4shared...) They are constantly making little changes, but it is essentially the same... (the instructions are NOT as complicated as they look...)

For people new to 4shared:
may vary slightly as 4 shared is constantly updating, but the basics
are still the same... have these instructions handy BEFORE you go to page!
http://www.4shared.com/dir/vo3VIWx9/Trust.html (example link)

(Warning! - 4Shared "pop up" windows and fake “download” buttons = advertisements)
(i.e. follow CAREFULLY to bypass ALL advertising)

(1) To Start: click 4shared link provided ... (add password if requested)
- folder or files will display (click on files or folders ONLY)
- window will "refresh" displaying file selected for download and/or play (file may start playing)
note: a "pop up" window now appears - close and GO BACK to page

- LOOK FOR 3 buttons below (side by side)
"Download" "Share" and "Add to my account"
(note: everything else will sidetrack you into advertising)

(2) Select "Download"
a "pop-up window" will appear in front - it's advertising!
(CLOSE "pop-up window" - go back to original page!
- look for these 2 buttons...
"4 PRIORITY DOWNLOAD" and "FREE DOWNLOAD"

(3) Select "FREE DOWNLOAD" (with "20 seconds" in box)
Sign-in 'box' will appear...
Look for 4shared account access at bottom (in fine print)
- Sign Up (left) - or Log-In (right)
Don’t download anything to sign up...
(by-pass "social media" signup - requires additional info)

(4) Login: (username, password)
- "download, save, save as, etc" should appear
a count timer will appear (wait 20 seconds)
if another pop up window appears - close it AGAIN