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    Default What life in occupied Palestine is really like.

    I thought I had a clue. But, this presentation really made it clear:

    Quote This hour-long presentation by Dr. Mustafa Barghouti is a must see (and save for reference). It explains the past, present and future of Israeli Occupation of Palestine and present facts and figures that you don't see on your TV.
    The presentation was created before Operation Cast Lead, probably in 2007. It was delivered at the 2008 American-Arab Anti-Discrimination -- ADC National Convention.
    ...and this presentation was made 7 years ago, before the "Cast Lead" and "Protective Edge" slaughters.


    Please share this video on social media and with your friends. This should be seen by everyone.

    Dennis


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    Default Re: What life in occupied Palestine is really like.

    This is a repost from another thread:


    Quote Posted by panopticon (here)
    Quote The Dividing Line, is an independent film by Jeff Stewart. Filmed in Palestine in 2009 and 2010. Jeff interviewed dozens of people for this film, including some of the poorest and most oppressed, to some of the most influential people in Palestine, including ministers to President Mahmoud Abbas, and Dr. Mustafa Barghouti former minister to Yasser Arafat, and now world renowned Palestinian human rights activist (nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize in 2010) Jeff logged in more than 600 miles on foot,1500 miles by car, and spent hundreds of hours of research to make The Dividing Line. This film is perhaps the most comprehensive and down to earth look at what life is really like for Palestinian citizens to date.
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    Default Re: What life in occupied Palestine is really like.

    Deeply saddening and distressing. I also thought I had some concept of how bad things are, but I needed to be educated.

    Godspeed Dr. Barghouti.

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    Hi Dennis tragedy does not sum up the ghetto
    of Gaza and of all people you would have thought
    the jews would not have let this happen But for
    many reasons it has. It is hard to comprehend
    how small this area is 5miles wide by 25miles
    long I heard a news anchor say the other night.

    The home of just under 2 million people many
    under 18 and refugees from other parts of
    Palestine. In one sense it would be better to
    evacuate them all and set them up elsewhere
    thru out the world. Which has happened to many
    of their fellow countrymen over the years. But
    that would be giving in to more ethnic cleansing.

    Its got to a stage where the two state solution
    is not exceptable by factions of the Israeli
    government and they won't be satisfied until
    Gaza is incorporated and the inhabitants that
    are left become Israeli arabs and the rest either
    leave or are expelled.

    The west bank may also be targeted with ever
    increasing tensions over Jeruselam. This could
    be why ISIS was set up to create the conditions
    that Israel will be able to crush a Arab uprising
    once and for all and create a greater Israel.

    Problem Reaction Solution.....


    French Report ISIL Leader is a known Mossad Agent
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...n-Mossad-Agent

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    Monday, July 14th, 2014 | Posted by Stephen Sniegoski

    The Unfolding of Yinon’s “Zionist Plan for the Middle East”: The Crisis in Iraq and
    the Centrality of the National Interest of Israel

    “The Unfolding of Yinon’s ‘Zionist Plan for the Middle East’: The Crisis in Iraq and
    the Centrality of the National Interest of Israel,” illustrates how the ethno-sectarian
    fragmentation and internecine warfare between Shiites and Sunnis is in line with
    the Yinon plan to enhance Israel’s security and was ignited by the neocon-inspired
    US invasion of Iraq in 2003. Netanyahu and the neocons currently view Iran as a
    greater threat in the Middle East than ISIS, and while they advocate US military
    intervention, they emphasize that such intervention should not empower Iran,
    notes Stephen Sniegoski.





    http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/...est-of-israel/


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    I don't know if this was coincidence first post on Davids site was this......




    A Song For Gaza

    new Friday 8th August 2014 at 09:05 By david-icke



    This song relates to an earlier Israeli assault on Gaza.
    see how nothing changes. Systematic genocide in
    stage after stage







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    One Family 4 Gaza Campaign

    new Friday 8th August 2014 at 08:42 By david-icke





    ‘One Family’ aims to create direct ties between families affected by the genocide in
    the Gaza Strip and families, groups and individuals wanting to help them. Through
    this campaign, you can aid one of these families and provide them with direct
    financial and moral support.’

    http://onefamily4gaza.wordpress.com/english-2/

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    Jewish Outrage as Glasgow City Council plans to fly Palestinian flag

    new Friday 8th August 2014 at 08:30 By david-icke





    ‘Leaders declared the flag will fly above the City Council chambers tomorrow to
    show solidarity with those affected by the recent conflict in Gaza.

    The authority is the sixth to make the political statement which comes as a three-
    day ceasefire in the Middle East enters its final hours.

    Councillor Sadie Docherty, Lord Provost of Glasgow, said that the Council had
    written to the Mayor of Bethlehem, Ms Vera Baboun, to offer Glasgow’s support.’

    Read more: Jewish Outrage as Glasgow City Council plans to fly Palestinian flag


    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/496...w-City-Council

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    IDF Whistleblower Who Posted ‘Israeli Troops Killed Gaza Civilians in Revenge,’ Then Arrested

    Friday 8th August 2014 at 05:06 By david-icke





    ‘Former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) combat soldier and company sergeant Eran
    Efrati, 28, has become the Edward Snowden of Israel. This brave whistleblower has
    now found himself arrested and interrogated by the Israeli authorities for nothing
    more than speaking out against the use of illegal weapons in Gaza, and the carte
    blanche killing of Palestinian civilians by rogue members of the IDF.

    Last week, on Tuesday, July 29, Efrati announced on Facebook that his confidential
    sources within the IDF had informed him that the “real reason” for the recent IDF
    Shuja’iyya massacre, which had been carried out just over a week earlier, on July
    20, was that IDF soldiers were deliberately targeting civilians as “punishment”
    and “retribution” for the deaths of fellow soldiers in their units.’

    Read more: IDF Whistleblower Who Posted ‘Israeli Troops Killed Gaza Civilians in Revenge,’ Then Arrested

    http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/0...-under-arrest/
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    Other articles on Davids site today, he has posted loads .......

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    Israel achieved no military goals in Gaza: Analyst

    Friday 8th August 2014 at 04:00 By david-icke





    ‘A US political commentator says the Israelis have not attained their goals in their onslaught
    against Palestinians; rather, they inflamed the world public opinion against themselves.

    “They have not achieved any military objectives. All they have done is antagonizing the world
    public opinion against them,” Eugene Michael Jones, an editor at Culture Wars Magazine from
    Indiana, said in an interview with Press TV on Wednesday.

    Jones said the Tel Aviv regime did not gain anything, but humiliation, by the massacre of
    defenseless women and children in the besieged Gaza Strip.’


    About 1,900 people, including women and children, were killed and over 9,500 others
    injured by the Israeli regime’s massive offensive that began on July



    Read more: Israel achieved no military goals in Gaza: Analyst


    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08...goals-in-gaza/

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    Obscene US media monopoly stands busted: Analyst

    Friday 8th August 2014 at 04:03 By david-icke





    ‘The American people’s awareness of the US support of Israel’s savage war on the Gaza
    Strip indicates the end of US media monopoly, an analyst writes for Press TV.

    “The obscene US media behavior was possible during past conflicts because there was
    nowhere else to go, but now the US media monopoly stands busted, with truth leaking
    out from a thousand pores,” Shamus Cooke wrote in a column for the Press TV website.

    He said the American public has been turning to alternative media to get news about the
    Zionist regime’s military aggression against the besieged Gaza Strip.’





    Read more: Obscene US media monopoly stands busted: Analyst

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08...stands-busted/


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    Israel identified as top spying threat to US in NSA document

    Friday 8th August 2014 at 04:09 By david-icke





    ‘A newly published US national security document shows that the National Security
    Agency (NSA) in 2007 singled out Israel as a top spying threat to the United States.

    The NSA document, obtained by US surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden, also
    identified Israel, along with North Korea, Cuba and India, as a “leading threat” to the
    infrastructure of American financial and banking institutions, The Intercept reported
    on Monday.

    The Intercept, an online magazine, has been launched by American journalist Glenn
    Greenwald, who also published Snowden’s leaks.’

    Read more: Israel identified as top spying threat to US in NSA document


    http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/w...-threat-US.jpg

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    US Media Outlets Cite Israeli Military Propaganda, Cast Doubt on Whether Israel Bombed UN-Run School

    Friday 8th August 2014 at 04:18 By david-icke





    ‘The New York Times’ Jodi Rudoren, who has developed a notorious representation for letting Israeli
    propaganda influence her coverage, and Ben Hubbard wrote, “The source of the blasts was unclear,
    setting off recriminations between Israelis and Palestinians over which side was responsible. People
    in the school reported three to five blasts and accused Israel of shelling them. Israel suggested that
    rockets fired by militants might have fallen short of their targets or that the school might have been
    hit with errant shells from either side in fighting nearby. The United Nations said it could not confirm
    the source of the blasts.”

    Rudoren and Hubbard mentioned that Turner had been certain that previous instances of attacks on
    schools had come from Israeli forces. Then she proceeded to grant anonymity to an Israeli military
    official for this disinformation:’

    Read more: US Media Outlets Cite Israeli Military Propaganda, Cast Doubt on Whether Israel Bombed UN-Run School


    http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/201...un-run-school/

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    Despite claims that anti-Semitism is on the rise in the UK, it’s Israel’s critics who need protection

    new Friday 8th August 2014 at 08:43 By david-icke





    ‘The horrors of Gaza continue to unfold after the guns fall silent, with thousands of displaced victims
    scoured the ruins of their bombed homes for whatever meagre salvage they can find, wondering what
    tomorrow may bring.

    Around the world, Jewish communities are now trying to regain the sympathy they forfeited by blindly
    supporting the devastating Israeli offensive. The traditional way of doing this is to announce a rise in
    anti-Semitism and whipping up fears of “another holocaust”.’

    Read more: Despite claims that anti-Semitism is on the rise in the UK, it's Israel's critics who need protection

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...n-9651586.html

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    Netanyahu says deaths in Gaza ‘justified’ as he offers to extend truce with Hamas militants

    new Friday 8th August 2014 at 08:40 By david-icke







    ‘Israel is ready to extend its ceasefire in the Gaza Strip beyond the current truce, which is
    scheduled to expire at 8am on Friday, an official has said.

    Israel had “expressed its readiness to extend the truce under its current terms”, the official
    added, referring to the three-day cessation of hostilities agreed on Tuesday.

    But Moussa Abu Marzouk, a senior figure in Hamas, the Palestinian group controlling the
    Gaza Strip, said on social media: “There is no agreement to extend the ceasefire.”’

    Read more: Netanyahu says deaths in Gaza ‘justified’ as he offers to extend truce with
    Hamas militants

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...d-9652725.html


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    ‘Help Israel avoid war crimes charges,’ Netanyahu urges US lawmakers

    new Friday 8th August 2014 at 08:32 By david-icke





    ‘Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu appealed to American legislators to help
    Israel stave off what is likely to be a concerted global push to haul the country’s
    military and political leaders to international courts for alleged war crimes
    committed in Gaza, The New York Post reported on Thursday.

    According to the Post, during a meeting on Wednesday with members of Congress
    who are visiting Israel as guests of AIPAC, Netanyahu urged the American
    representatives to summon their powers in assisting Israeli officials who wish
    to avoid trial by the International Criminal Court in The Hague.’

    Read more: 'Help Israel avoid war crimes charges,' Netanyahu urges US lawmakers

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    I thought I had a clue. But, this presentation really made it clear:

    Quote This hour-long presentation by Dr. Mustafa Barghouti is a must see (and save for reference). It explains the past, present and future of Israeli Occupation of Palestine and present facts and figures that you don't see on your TV.
    The presentation was created before Operation Cast Lead, probably in 2007. It was delivered at the 2008 American-Arab Anti-Discrimination -- ADC National Convention.
    ...and this presentation was made 7 years ago, before the "Cast Lead" and "Protective Edge" slaughters.


    Please share this video on social media and with your friends. This should be seen by everyone.

    Dennis
    G'day Dennis,

    Just a quick question bloke.

    In the US main stream media has there been any presentation of the Palestinian situation in Gaza & the West Bank?

    I often forget that the US system is different to the Australian one.

    Here's a recent report from Australia's 60 Minutes (aired July 27th, 2014) which clearly shows the plight of the Palestinians:

    Back in February Australia's oldest Current Affairs program, 4 Corners, aired a documentary it made called 'Stone Cold Justice'. It shows the problems for Palestinians living in the Occupied West Bank caused by the Israeli Government and Settler support system. In particular it focuses on the effect IDF detention of children and violence against those detained children has on the entire Palestinian community as well as those directly affected children. If you watch it take note of the Israeli Settler talking about her conversations with Sharon back in the 1970's and compare that to the section of Barghouti's presentation about Sharon's plan.

    Here's the UNICEF report referenced in the documentary:
    Children in Israeli Military Detention: Observations and Recommendations

    Is there similar reporting to this in the US main stream media or is it more like this from the Israeli Foreign Affairs Ministry?

    -- Pan
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    The only consequence is what we do."

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    Anna Baltzer (Piller) is a Jewish-American Columbia graduate, former Fulbright scholar, the granddaughter of Holocaust refugees, and an award-winning lecturer, author, and activist for Palestinian rights.


    As a volunteer with the International Women's Peace Service in the West Bank, Baltzer documented human rights abuses and supported Palestinian-led nonviolent resistance to the Israeli occupation

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    This nice Jewish American speaks truth about her experience in occupied Palestine... It will make you cry...



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    Our Story by Mustafa Barghouti.

    2010 documentary presentation by Barghouti on the story of the creation and present reality of the "Israel" Nation-State from the perspective of the Palestinian people.

    Be aware -- contains some disturbing images (eg amputations, dead children, dead bodies).
    It's difficult to post anything about the Israel occupation that doesn't include "disturbing images" because the entire thing is "disturbing". The use by the IDF of DIME weapons, white phosphorus and other experimental weapons that it is alleged Israel is field testing (as they have anti-crowd measures for years) is part of the reason that Palestinians are protesting the injustices of the system...

    -- Pan
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    Quote Posted by panopticon (here)
    G'day Dennis,

    Just a quick question bloke.

    In the US main stream media has there been any presentation of the Palestinian situation in Gaza & the West Bank?

    I often forget that the US system is different to the Australian one.

    Here's a recent report from Australia's 60 Minutes (aired July 27th, 2014) which clearly shows the plight of the Palestinians:
    ...
    Is there similar reporting to this in the US main stream media or is it more like this from the Israeli Foreign Affairs Ministry?

    -- Pan
    I don't watch TV, but as far as I know, the furthest the US corporate mainscream media goes is to offer the false equivalency of "two sides" at fault. Nothing even remotely approaching the truth.

    -Dennis


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    To those who think that Israeli's are the problem...

    Here's what Israeli protesters do on a daily basis:


    This small group is called Ta'ayush and they are 'Israelis & Palestinians striving together to end the Israeli occupation and to achieve full civil equality through daily non-violent direct-action' (source).

    In the intensely nationalist climate that exists in Israel at the moment and remembering that Ta'ayush operates in Area C of the Occupied Territories, where Settler violence is commonplace, they are still accompanying Palestinians on their land as a non-violent form of protest.

    This is Gandhi's direct-action activism at its best:
    Quote It was hard work getting the owners of the land to come with us today. They’re afraid. These fields and grazing grounds abut on the settlements of Tekoa IV and Nokdim. It’s dangerous to come here. Guy and Ezra have both been savagely beaten by settlers in these parts. Ezra warns me today: there’s a 50% chance that we’ll be attacked by settlers or soldiers or both, anyway they’re all the same.
    Source
    My thoughts are with those who believe in change and those who are change manifest.

    -- Pan
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    ****

    Here's a searing interview with Avichai Sharon and Noam Chayut, both veterans of the Israeli Defense Forces and members of Breaking the Silence.
    Sharon and Chayut served during the second intifada, an on-going bloodbath that has claimed the lives of over three thousand Palestinians and nine-hundred-fifty Israelis.

    After thorough introspection, these young men have chosen to speak out about their experiences as self-described "brutal occupiers of a disputed land."



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    These three videos expose the most shocking picture of planned persecution, abuse, theft and murderous GENOCIDE of Palestinians, quite opposite to the picture painted in international controled media. Here I see a group of Zionists, backed and paid by other Zionists who have the U.S.A. budget and banking system under their sole control. They have established Israel as a beachhead for WWIII to eliminate everything Arab and grab all their OIL. It is the money of U.S. Citizens misappropriated in an evil plan of world takeover in which the Vatican is the head of the Bankers in London and the U.S.A. is the Military arm to bully and kill Americans and the rest of the world under Agenda 21 in just the same way they have closed off Israel to the Palestinians and nibbled away at their land like mice while exterminating them surely. Let us identify all these Zionists by NAME AND ADDRESS AND REMOVE THEM FROM POWER. Open up the newspapers and media. Close them down by not patronizing them or their advertisers. Get the word out to the present and former soldiers of the country, because they are destroying the future of their own families by their cooperation with these vagabond usurpers of power. These bankers have used people's stolen wealth to pay off fighting groups and incite them against one another to bring down the Arab banks and countries and steal their oil. This was not difficult, since they installed the corrupt heads of those countries in the first place, sold them arms with which to create an adversary to excuse their attacks upon countries. The City States of City of London, the Vatican and Washington (the military arm) all need to be abolished and their occupiers torn from their seats of power or all human kind is going to be murdered off shortly.

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    For those who have watched the first video posted, or the one posted by panopticon in Post#8, (narrated by Dr. Mustafa Barghouti), a word is repeated, and I had to find a transcript of one of his videos to find that he is saying the word "bantustan" which was unfamiliar to me. Of course I am familiar with South African apartheid, but somehow that particular word never caught my ear. It comes from the tribal name "Banu" and really means a segregated and separated enclave. It is obvious that the occupier/oppressor wants to fracture the society, by physically separating people - almost like clusters of small prisons.

    I pretty much got the word's meaning from the context of Dr. Barghouti's narration, but knowing the etymology of the word gives greater meaning and context.

    I thought I'd pass this along in case there were any others that were unfamiliar with the word "bantustan."


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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    For those who have watched the first video posted, or the one posted by panopticon in Post#8, (narrated by Dr. Mustafa Barghouti), a word is repeated, and I had to find a transcript of one of his videos to find that he is saying the word "bantustan" which was unfamiliar to me. Of course I am familiar with South African apartheid, but somehow that particular word never caught my ear. It comes from the tribal name "Banu" and really means a segregated and separated enclave. It is obvious that the occupier/oppressor wants to fracture the society, by physically separating people - almost like clusters of small prisons.

    I pretty much got the word's meaning from the context of Dr. Barghouti's narration, but knowing the etymology of the word gives greater meaning and context.

    I thought I'd pass this along in case there were any others that were unfamiliar with the word "bantustan."
    G'day Dennis,

    I don't know if you're familiar with the award winning documentary 'The Law In These Parts'.

    It has interviews with the military judges, officers and persons who formulated and administered the foundation of the law used by the IDF in the Occupied Territories.


    Quote Can a modern democracy impose a prolonged military occupation on another people while retaining its core democratic values?

    Since Israel conquered the territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the 1967 war, the military has imposed thousands of orders and laws, established military courts, sentenced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, enabled half a million Israeli "settlers" to move to the Occupied Territories and developed a system of long-term jurisdiction by an occupying army that is unique in the entire world.

    The men entrusted with creating this new legal framework were the members of Israel's military legal corps. Responding to a constantly changing reality, these legal professionals have faced (and continue to face) complex judicial and moral dilemmas in order to develop and uphold a system of long-term military “rule by law” of an occupied population, all under the supervision of Israel's Supreme Court, and, according to Israel, in complete accordance with international law.

    The Law In These Parts explores this unprecedented and little-known story through testimonies of the military legal professionals who were the architects of the system and helped run it in its formative years. The film attempts to ask some crucial questions that are often skirted or avoided: Can such an occupation be achieved within a legal framework that includes genuine adherence to the principles of rule-of-law? Should it? What are the costs that a society engaged in such a long term exercise must bear? And what are the implications of the very effort to make a documentary film about such a system?
    The reason I posted the video from Ta'ayush above is because of the important work that groups like this (and the Rabbi's for Human Rights in their protection of Palestinian olive groves) do. At around 30 minutes in to the documentary, where the Israeli Supreme Court blocks Settlement development and Ariel Sharon finds out about an old Ottoman legal argument to allow for it to continue, it should be clear why these non-violent direct-action initiatives need to be undertaken.

    If an area of land is found to not be being tended by the Palestinians for a period of time (3 years from memory) then it can be "repossessed" by the Occupying force and utilised for Settlement growth/productivity. That's why Settlers attack Palestinian shepherds and pull Olive trees out of the ground. It isn't just being petty, it is to extend the reach of the Settlements (for more start with here, here and here).

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    The David Icke Videocast: So Where From Here?

    He talks about Palestine on here and the response he had for posting a picture.


    new Sunday 10th August 2014 at 07:42 By david-icke


    Here’s a clip from this week’s video …



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdQQd1lERhg#t=106
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    I have no intention to listen to Howard Stern. I know it's good to understand what the "other side" is saying, but... I have seen several very slick videos from the Israeli government (or sympathizers) that show a very deceptive official rhetoric of "defense" and "security", deflect the real issue by talking about "both sides hate each other", and portray a false equivalence in what is really far beyond the David and Goliath metaphor - and I feel like I have enough understanding of how they work. Listening to Howard is like smearing feces all over myself to study scatology.

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    Quote I have no intention to listen to Howard Stern. I know it's good to understand what the "other side" is saying, but... I have seen several very slick videos from the Israeli government (or sympathizers) that show a very deceptive official rhetoric of "defense" and "security", deflect the real issue by talking about "both sides hate each other", and portray a false equivalence in what is really far beyond the David and Goliath metaphor - and I feel like I have enough understanding of how they work. Listening to Howard is like smearing feces all over myself to study scatology.

    Dennis

    The worry was Jesse Ventura was half serious about running with him for office
    because of his audience base. I think Howard represents an audience that see
    the world as irrelevant and if we are all sovereign individuals that's there right.

    I don't blame you for not listening, I wish I hadn't but sometimes we need
    to expose bigotry and ignorance. Second thoughts I'l get rid of the post and
    show something more appropriate
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    The worry was Jesse Ventura was half serious about running with him for office
    because of his audience base. I think Howard represents an audience that see
    the world as irrelevant and if we are all sovereign individuals that's there right.

    I don't blame you for not listening, I wish I hadn't but sometimes we need
    to expose bigotry and ignorance.
    I'm a little confused about this.

    Why are so many people concerned what some mediocre, US celebrities have to say about anything?

    I appreciate that some people give a sh!t about their opinion but they just don't seem relevant to this thread...

    How does what Joan Rivers and Howard Stern relate to the OP topic which is:

    What life in occupied Palestine is really like.



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    Quote Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    The worry was Jesse Ventura was half serious about running with him for office
    because of his audience base. I think Howard represents an audience that see
    the world as irrelevant and if we are all sovereign individuals that's there right.

    I don't blame you for not listening, I wish I hadn't but sometimes we need
    to expose bigotry and ignorance.
    I'm a little confused about this.

    Why are so many people concerned what some mediocre, US celebrities have to say about anything?

    I appreciate that some people give a sh!t about their opinion but they just don't seem relevant to this thread...

    How does what Joan Rivers and Howard Stern relate to the OP topic which is:

    What life in occupied Palestine is really like.
    I agree I have changed it , Joan Rivers was posted yesterday
    and I ignored it. the Howard Stern one was strange as because
    he is a 'shock jock' he has been more open to alternate views
    when he had Jesse on. But in the end he is irrelevant , but he
    has a large audience , hopefully some of them will be offended
    by his out burst who knows ??

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    An 11 year old boy was shot by IDF troops today while playing outside his house in Hebron (Occupied Territories).

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    Israeli troops kill Palestinian boy during West Bank clash - relative
    Reuters - Sun, 10 Aug 2014

    JERUSALEM, Aug 10 (Reuters) - Israeli soldiers killed a Palestinian boy during a confrontation with rock-throwing protesters in the occupied West Bank on Sunday, a relative who witnessed the incident said.

    Youssef al-Anati said his 11-year-old nephew, Khalil, was shot dead even though he was not taking part in the disturbances near the city of Hebron. The boy was taken to a local hospital, which said he had been hit in the back with a live bullet.

    "Khalil was standing outside and at a distance some kids were throwing stones at the Israeli army," al-Anati told Reuters. "Suddenly Khalil collapsed to the ground and we rushed to him; he was all covered in blood."

    An Israeli military spokeswoman said she was checking the report.

    Tensions in the West Bank have run high during Israel's more than month-old war with Islamist militants in the Gaza Strip, another territory where Palestinians seek statehood. (Reporting by Ali Sawafta; Writing by Dan Williams; Editing by Mark Heinrich)

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    Israeli forces shoot, kill 12-year-old Palestinian boy near Hebron
    Ma'an 10/08/2014

    HEBRON (Ma'an) -- A 12-year old Palestinian boy was shot dead by Israeli soldiers while playing in front of his home in al-Fawwar refugee camp south of Hebron in the southern West Bank early Sunday.

    Palestinian medical sources at Hebron's al-Ahli Hospital told Ma'an that Khalil Muhammad Ahmad al-Anati arrived at the hospital after being shot in the back.

    They said that the gunshot entered through the victim's lower abdomen and exited through his groin.

    Doctors tried their best to resuscitate the boy and stop severe bleeding, but they announced his death shortly after he arrived in the emergency room.

    Locals told Ma'an that shortly before the boy was killed an Israeli military force escorted Israeli engineers into a neighborhood known as Nabat al-Haffara for unknown reasons.

    A few young men hurled stones at the soldiers in response to the military incursion, and the soldiers subsequently opened fire at the boys.

    A bullet hit al-Anati while he was standing in front of his home.

    He was evacuated to the hospital in a private car.

    Al-Fawwar is located south of Hebron near an Israeli military checkpoint that divides a number of local Palestinian communities close to the local illegal Israeli settlement of Haggay.

    At least 17 Palestinians have been killed across the West Bank in the last month, amid widespread public anger and growing protests over an Israeli assault on Gaza that has killed more than 1,915 Palestinians in the last four weeks.

    An Israeli military spokeswoman did not return calls seeking comment.

    Source
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