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Posted by Aragorn
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Posted by araucaria
It may well be that we have visitors from a neighbouring galaxy, but, comparing apples with apples, they are much more likely to be coming from our local area. A star at only 10.3 light years is one of the very closest, in our backyard so to speak. You would expect those folk to call in if they possibly could.
With quantum teleportation - or "hyperspace jumping", if you will - distances would be irrelevant as time itself is factored out. We get visitors here who aren't even from the local cluster. ;-)
Thank you Amethyst for letting us drift off-topic
Aragorn, Wikipedia is far from perfect but its imperfections do not explain every misunderstanding. I am telling you that there are two Andromedas. There is the distant galaxy you mention, which was only identified as such in the 20th century, after Hubble discovered the existence of such extragalactic objects. M31 is only called Andromeda because of its position in the Andromeda constellation, which is the group of fairly local stars next to Cassiopeia. These two naked eye constellations were so named, along with the rest, thousands of years ago by the ancient Greeks, who knew nothing about other galaxies, and would have just seen a nebulous… nebula. If you don’t trust Wiki, try this:
http://www.stargazing.net/david/cons...andromeda.html
According to the myth, Perseus found Andromeda tied to a rock waiting to be eaten by a sea monster after her mother Cassiopeia had claimed that the two of them were more beautiful than the Nereids. Perseus arranges with the parents that if he rescues her he will marry her. Cassiopeia tries to renege on the deal but Andromeda insists on the marriage. When the goddess Athene places their images among the stars (and Perseus also gets a constellation), Robert Graves writes, Cassiopeia ‘for her treachery, is tied in a market-basket which, at some seasons of the year, turns upside-down so that she looks ridiculous. But Athene afterwards placed Andromeda’s image in a more honourable constellation, because she had insisted on marrying Perseus, despite her parents’ ill-faith.’ Graves comments on this myth that its source is probably Marduk who, according to Sitchin, rewrote Annunaki history (myth) wholesale in his own favour:
Andromeda’s story has probably been deduced from a Palestinian icon of the Sun-god Marduk, or his predecessor Bel, mounted on his white horse and killing the sea-monster Tiamat. This myth also formed part of Hebrew mythology: Isaiah mentions that Jehovah (Marduk) hacked Rahab in pieces with a sword (Isaiah li. 9); and according to Job x. 1 and xxvi. 12, Rahab was the Sea. In the same icon, the jeweled, naked Andromeda, standing chained to a rock, is Aphrodite, or Ishtar, or Astarte, the lecherous Sea-goddess, ‘ruler of men’. But she is not waiting to be rescued. Marduk has bound her there himself, after killing her emanation, Tiamat the sea-serpent, to prevent further mischief. In the Babylonian Creation Epic, it was she who sent the flood. Astarte, as Sea-goddess, had temples all along the Palestinian coast, and at Troy she was Hesione, ‘Queen of Asia’, whom Heracles [Hercules] is said to have rescued from another sea-monster.
While obviously we do have seem to have visitors from all over, including other dimensions, when asked where they come from, they usually answer that names wouldn’t mean anything to earthlings. When you have entities coming from a whole patch of local sky from Cassiopeia to the Pleiades to Sirius to Orion, and using our names to describe their origins, you would expect Andromeda to fit into that pattern. Why do so many come from fairly close stars? Presumably because there are different levels of technology that make short-distance flights more feasible than longer ones – just like small ships were invented before big ones.
Beyond this logical explanation, I have no reason or motive to prefer either Andromeda the constellation or Andromeda the constellation galaxy; I am just intrigued that you should fail to see my point. I expect you have some documentary evidence to back up the galaxy hypothesis, but you haven’t shown us yet.
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: the Andromeda galaxy is located in the constellation of the same name, just next to the constellation of Cassiopeia, so I guess Andromedans might come from any of the stars in the Andromeda constellation.
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