Scotland Decides on 18th Sept, Independence or not.

[Mutchie]

I think support for the YES campaign is really taking off ... up here in Aberdeen i posted a poll on facebook asking people how they would vote it was an over whelming YES !!! I wander though how westminister will cope with a YES vote i mean the oil revenues would see Scotland THRIVE we are only 7 million people .... will no10 just hand over that income i would think they would feel that in their pockets in a VERY BIG WAY they have destroyed the shipyards and the mines and a lot of other industries is it any wander David Cameron is NERVOUS !!! The sooner we break away the better

[Billy]

Hi Mutchie, If Scotland decides to go independent, i personally hope that a percentage of the revenues gained from Oil would be used to move away from using oil altogether. I would hope Scotland would invest more funding into research for advanced alternative energy sources. I do not mean Solar or Wind power but more advanced technologies that have been suppressed by the PTB for more than a hundred years.

17 days to go and the latest polls say there is a 3 point move towards the yes campaign for independence.

The times front page headlines for tomorrow.



Polls are varied.But this is where we roughly stand.

NO's 6 points ahead.

Yes has gained 3 points last few days and up 8 points in the month of August.

Undecided at a record low at 10%

another poll says. 275.000 undecided.

peace

[ktlight]

A message to the people of Scotland

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lsxJyV35xps

"Published on 4 Sep 2014
The artist taxi driver"

Say YES, states Mark. This (Scotland) belongs to the people.

[Billy]

Thank you Ktlight. If only a few more Scots were as passionate to make a difference and move away from a corrupt Westminster system as this English Taxi driver. Well said Mark.

On the currency issue.

Opposition to currency union with Scotland is a bluff, says top economist

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...oseph-stiglitz

Prof Joseph Stiglitz accused the no campaign of deliberately stoking up fear and anxiety among Scottish voters. Photograph: Ken Jack/Demotix/Corbis

Prof Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel prize-winning economist, has accused David Cameron's government of bluffing over its opposition to a currency union with an independent Scotland.

Stiglitz boosted Alex Salmond's repeated insistence that a formal sterling zone was the best option by accusing the no campaign of deliberately stoking up fear and anxiety among Scottish voters as a short-term tactic in the referendum.

Speaking at the Edinburgh international book festival on the day the first minister faces the no campaign leader, Alistair Darling, in a live BBC debate, Stiglitz said he also believed Scotland's finance sector was using scare tactics over independence – threatening to move its operations to England, to protect its own vested interests.

"I have been a little bit shocked at how much of it is based on fear, trying to get anxiety levels up and how little of it has been based on vision," Stiglitz said, referring to the anti-independence campaign.

"There is a vision on the yes side that I see: what would an independent Scotland be like? What could it do that it can't do now?"

Stiglitz, one of Salmond's key economic policy advisers and a former chairman of Bill Clinton's council of economic advisers, said that a currency union would be accepted after a yes vote, because the Scottish and UK economies were so closely intertwined.

"For the most part, I think these are bluffs. Whatever the outcome, there's going to be a negotiation and people are going to be looking at what's in the best interests of both parties, and there will be negotiations," he said.

One important example of Scotland's more positive vision was having free university tuition – a policy rejected by successive UK governments, which charges tuition fees of up to £9,000 a year. "I think that's illustrative of a divide in a vision of society," he said. "For the notion of equality, access to higher education is really vital."

Salmond is likely to seize on Stiglitz's remarks during Monday evening's live debate against Darling, being staged at the Kelvinhall museum in Glasgow, after his bruising encounter with the former UK chancellor in STV's debate on 5 August over Scotland's currency options.

Led by George Osborne, the chancellor, all three main UK parties have vetoed a currency union post-independence. Citing expert opinion from Treasury economists, the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems insist a currency union is not in the interests of Scotland or the UK.

With polls suggesting English voters are also hostile to a sterling pact, the UK parties argue it would involve the UK carrying the greatest financial risk because it would be underwriting a foreign country's banks – which in Scotland's case are relatively very large, even while its economies were in competition.

Scottish anti-independence campaigners, including Darling, insist it would also tie Scotland's hands and make it heavily dependent on a larger foreign government's economic decisions.

The economics thinkthank Fiscal Affairs Scotland said on Monday that a currency union would require so many compromises for an independent Scotland, over tax rates, borrowing or debt levels, it was "likely to involve severe curtailment of an independent Scotland's ability to influence its own future fiscal and monetary policy".

Stiglitz, now at Columbia university in New York, took a different position from Salmond's government on the best measure of prosperity, by criticising the use of gross domestic product (GDP) to assess economic success – a measure repeatedly used to underline Scotland's relative wealth.

Earlier on Monday, John Swinney, the Scottish finance secretary, said Scotland's per capita output was higher than that of France, the UK as a whole and of Japan.

"It is frankly insulting to the people of Scotland to suggest that they are somehow incapable of managing the nation's immense wealth," Swinney said.

Before sidestepping a question on whether Salmond was right to say that sterling was an government asset that Scotland had a right to share, Stiglitz said GDP was too crude, and did not measure equality and income distribution across society.

"The way we measure economic performance doesn't really capture a lot of what's going on. GDP isn't really the best measure of how an economy is doing. This is very important because we often rate our politicians on how well GDP is going up," he said.

More here. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...oseph-stiglitz

[Billy]

I like this video.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dbW_AT64m8E

peace.

[aheb]

I would make the point also that Norway has one of the richest Soverign wealth funds in the world, due to the small population and the massive amounts of oil wealth, so could Scotland be. This fact won't be lost on westminister or the banksters. As I understand it the UK government cannot take the pound off the Scotts if they opt for independence. However, I think that Scottish independence could be the Black Swan that collapses the whole finnancial ponzi scheme. This could be due to many factors, UK debt,oil revenue, adopting a new gold backed currencey or currencey tie with Russia or Germany. If Scotland does become independent it would ruin the chances of the labour party in Englad as Scottish MP's make up a lot of the labour seats.
One black swan could be RBS which owns National Westminister it has bad debts from Ulster bank of many millions, and as all banks are connected by derivative swaps etc ( and nobody knows who owns or owes what).......any restructurig could badly affect them and in some way cause a panic or systemic collapse.
As much as people are talking about it, I don't think anyone has really sat down and thought hard about the benefits or the downside, and it could well be that the downside is more than the benefits.

[Billy]

Update. 11 days to go and the polls show a swing towards Yes.
Today's Sunday times front page.





Fear responds.



Exciting times, It's never over until it's over. I leave you with a wee song from Dougie Mclean.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=54kqMkWEZ_M

peace.

[East Sun]

I'm sure someone has said it already but I'll say it anyway;
don't use machines to count the votes. In the US machines were rigged to sway the results.

Scotland, don't let that happen. Say no to machine counts.

[ktlight]

Scottish Independence ! ahead in polls

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zybQVUKjA8g

"Published on 7 Sep 2014
The artist taxi driver"

Scotland is saying yes. May your choices reflect your hopes.

[mahalall]

Finally the scots will tell the english to piss off.
but will the european union be so tolerant of the scottish assertions?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ws74HTywcwg

[mahalall]

mutchie

I wander though how westminister will cope with a YES vote i mean the oil revenues would see Scotland THRIVE we are only 7 million people .

Could the oil be piped south of the boarder where refining and taxation would become cheaper?

[greybeard]

I posted this else where but it got buried.
The reason I re posted it is.
He (Craig Murray) had first hand information pre Iraq invasion due to his position as an ambassador and it was known by the high ups in the UK government that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq---he talks of this and other matters in the short video.

Scotland has got dragged into many conflicts due to being part of the UK.

Chris

Craig Murray, former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, tells us why he is for YES and reveals some horrendous truths about the UK/Westminster establishment. Seriously, listen to the man.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CIQ8VVn8AJA

[Cidersomerset]

There is some panic in the establishment camp now....LOL
The English as well as the Scottish !!

Don't forget there has been a lot of Scots and ministers of
Scottish decent running Westminster , so be careful what
you wish for...LOL



This is like a scene from Braveheart , in medieval times it was not
uncommon to negotiate before a battle to see if one side or other
would give way before a contest of arms ......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lEOOZDbMrgE

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8 September 2014 Last updated at 11:02
Nick Robinson, Political editor Article written by Nick Robinson
Political editor



More from NickScotland - Vote No and get something better?File picture of flags
Scotland DecidesReferendum latest Live
What are the 'No' parties offering?
New Scots powers plan 'within days'
Check out the latest polls

On the morning after the poll before, "Vote No and get something better" summed up
George Osborne's message. It's a tried and trusted message which worked in the
independence referendum in Quebec when a last minute poll lead for Yes was transformed
into a narrow No. It is, though, a message with a difficult history in Scotland.

Thirty five years ago it was precisely what Scots were told when they were voting in a
referendum on a much more modest proposal - to create a Scottish Parliament with
some devolved powers.

A former prime minister, a Scot and, as it happens, a Tory, Sir Alec Douglas Home urged
his countrymen to vote No and get "something better". The referendum rejected devolution
and what they got soon afterwards was 18 years of Margaret Thatcher's government and no
devolution at all (until, that is, Labour were re-elected in 1997).

That is just one reason why Osborne's promise of a plan to transfer new powers to Holyrood -
covering tax raising, spending and benefits - caused such confusion yesterday. It is why
Alex Salmond felt able to attack it as a sign of "panic" on the No side.

The other reason is that the three rival Westminster parties - the Conservatives, Labour and
Liberal Democrats - have not agreed a plan for which precise powers to devolve. Each party
has published its own set of proposals which overlap in the areas Osborne listed.

The plan he was talking about - but which is still being argued about behind the scenes -
is to give Scottish voters certainty that this time - unlike last time - they are guaranteed
to get "something better" whoever forms the next government in Westminster.

The Lib Dem Scottish secretary Alastair Carmichael has long talked about the idea of setting
up a Scottish Constitutional Convention bringing together representatives of all parties -
including the SNP - and none (trade unionists, business groups, the churches etc). This would
hammer out a new settlement which all the Westminster parties would then promise to
implement whoever is elected in the 2015 general election.

Who should announce this, where and how poses its own problems since Scottish voters - like
voters right across the world - are deeply mistrustful of what politicians say. If all three party
leaders stood together it would simply allow Alex Salmond to say "I told you they were all the
same and that Labour were in bed with the Tories."

A striking finding of this weekend's YouGov poll is that the leader of the Labour Party - for so
long the natural party of government in Scotland - is trusted by under a quarter of Scottish
voters, the same number as it happens as trust David Cameron.

Alex Salmond is not immune from the anti politician mood, but 38% of people said they trusted
him which may be one reason the Yes campaign is doing as well as it is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29106901

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Queen 'horrified' at prospect of Scotland breaking away from UK


The Queen beamed as she attended Scotland's Braemar Gathering but
privately her mood is said to be far less sunny as a constitutional crisis looms.



Buckingham Palace aides have revealed the Queen has a "great deal
of concern" that Scotland will vote to leave the United Kingdom.

Palace officials have publicly insisted Her Majesty is neutral over the issue
of independence despite the threat to her own position as queen of Scotland.

The 88-year-old monarch appeared in good spirits as she and the royal
family attended this weekend's Highland Games in Scotland.

But privately she is said to be very worried as the latest referendum poll
showed the Yes campaign taking the lead for the first time with little
more than a week to go to the vote

http://news.uk.msn.com/in-pictures/q...-from-uk344566


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Cameron 'Yes' vote would leave Scotland more vulnerable to Terrorism ( from CIA, MI6 and Mossad)
NO No.....ISIS !!





http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/09/0...slamic-terror/

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‘Trust Me’ On The Economy? New Report Claims Darling’s Deception Cost Us £25 Billion

new Monday 8th September 2014 at 09:57 By david-icke





‘A devastating new report has raised serious concerns over former Labour Chancellor
Alistair Darling’s role in the UK’s financial crisis.

Revelations from an investigation by the Independent on Sunday (IoS) show that the
Better Together chairman may have colluded with the Bank of England to conceal the
true state of at least one of Britain’s giant banking institutions leading to a seemingly
fraudulent report to potential investors.’

Read more: 'Trust Me' On The Economy? New Report Claims Darling’s Deception Cost Us £25 Billion

http://nationalcollective.com/2014/0...-cost-us-25bn/



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[Billy]

Osborne breaks election purdah laws..#indyref

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=i7qXYaepKPA

[Billy]

Craig Murray's Blog today.

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv...g-has-to-stop/

When the push polling has to stop

by craig on September 8, 2014 12:39 am in Uncategorized

YouGov stood to have its reputation shattered if it continued to put out polls showing ten point leads for No, when Yes is very obviously headed for a majority.

Those massive YouGov leads for No were all part of the Unionist tactic of making independence appear both uniquely impossible to Scotland, as opposed to any other small nation state you can name, and an unattainable dream. Too poor, too wee, too stupid and politically isolated. YouGov are known in the trade as “You Can Have Any Result You Pay For Gov”. For months, James Kelly on the Scot Goes Pop blog has brilliantly analysed the methodologies they employed to give those large No leads – asking prior leading questions, a large preponderance of Labour voters in their panel, and the “Kellner Correction” – an assumption that lies or faulty memory about how people last voted, would penalise Labour unless corrected for statistically. The result was YouGov polls that were great reading for the No camp, but made no sense whatsever to anybody who had talked to voters.

My own view is that there has not been an extraordinary 12 point swing in a fortnight, as illustrated by YouGov’s last two polls. What there has been is a continuing stead swing and a realisation in YouGov that, having helped the No campaign for over a year by trying to make a Yes vote seem hopeless, to be over 12% out on this vital vote might damage YouGov’s share price fatally. So they have had to start publishing something close to the truth.

As I have been reporting, the truth has been very obvious to people on the ground for weeks. And the truth is not only that independence is coming, but that the entire political class, BBC and mainstream media has been rejected, and a new form of popular power, based on community democracy and social media, has taken over.

I received an invite from the National Library of Scotland to a post-referendum debrief at 9am on 19 September. Anybody sober at 9am on 19 September (unless having medical excuse) is not part of the New Scotland. But more crucially, the panel includes Henry McLeish and Michael Moore – and they want people to pay 35 pounds to listen to their words of wisdom.

They really haven’t got it yet. Nobody will ever care what Moore and McLeish and their like have to say again, and the kind of democracy we will have will not involve paying substantial sums to hear pearls of wisdom drop from troughers on a pedestal. Nor will members of the old political establishment have a future in that career. It was a good tactic for Alex Salmond to say that Darling and Carmichael will be on the negotiating team: the people will not allow it to happen.

There is at last some understanding that Yes will win: the penny has not yet dropped that this is a revolutionary moment, not a polite constitutional shuffle.

[Hogswitch]

Hi Kevin, it's not just about the oil either, where's the best place to put a nuclear submarine base? Somewhere remote with lots of deep sea inlets similar to the Norwegian fjords. How many of those does England have...?

Hog.

P.S. If those bastards in Westminster want you in you'll probably be better off out, best of luck from the other side of the border.

[Cidersomerset]

Scotland offered increased powers as parties unite to rally no voters

Monday 8th September 2014 at 08:38 By david-icke


THE TELEGRAPH.........





‘A last-minute all-party plan to devolve further powers to Scotland over tax,
spending, welfare and a host of other areas will be unveiled in the next few
days, George Osborne has said.

The announcement came after a YouGov poll showed the yes side taking a
narrow lead, spreading fears at Westminster of a constitutional crisis.

The chancellor detailed the plans – the product of backroom talks – saying
they would be unveiled in the next few days with a clear timetable for
implementation in the event of a no vote. The offer is similar to the
last-minute package offered to Quebec by the Canadian government in
1995, that staved off a vote for separation.’

Read more: Scotland offered increased powers as parties unite to rally no voters

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...upport-parties

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The Scottish Referendum: Decision on a Knife-edge

Monday 8th September 2014 at 07:08 By david-icke



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The Scottish Referendum: Decision on a Knife-edge





‘The debate over which way to vote in the Scottish Referendum is hotting up.
The polls say that the gap between those voting to stay in the United Kingdom
is now only a few points ahead of those planning to vote for independence.

With many still undecided, there has been a tidal wave of people registering to
vote, particularly among the young. The norm for UK electoral turnout is poor.
Fewer and fewer people bother to vote in local and general elections.
Governments can come into power on less than a quarter of the electorate
voting for them.

But in a few days Scotland may going to show us how it should be
done – some predict a turnout of 80%.’

Read more: The Scottish Referendum: Decision on a Knife-edge

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-sco...e-edge/5399935

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[Cidersomerset]

I watched these two docs the other night as part of my Myths and legends thread.
William Wallace was certainly a real Scottish patriot, But not quite as portrayed by
Mel Gibson.....

' Brave heart' As I'm sure all you Scots know was the name for Robert The Bruce.......

Just for the sassanach (Saxons)...LOL....




Fact or Fiction E01 Braveheart

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dgyWg_3ALuI

Published on 5 Nov 2013
Category
Education

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Braveheart William Wallace - Documentary

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Gx9qJfjYh_A

Published on 28 Jul 2014


William Wallace is one of Scotland's greatest national heroes, undisputed leader of
the Scottish resistance forces during the first years of the long and ultimately
successful struggle to free Scotland from English rule at the end of the 13th
Century.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/edit...81&do=editpost

[Cidersomerset]

Personally I don't mind what the people of Scotland want to do.......

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I don't think the threat of ISIS will work somehow...LOL





Billy Connolly - Terrorist Attack At Glasgow Airport, Must Watch!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7gMJBQoHJ4E

Uploaded on 4 Mar 2011


Billy Connolly, speaking about the islamic terrorist attack at Glasgow Airport.
You must watch this is Hilarious!


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Billy Connolly - A laugh at Islam

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-xwPVgRaROA

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Just for balance.....

Billy Connolly on Christians and Christian Rock

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2-WJO0YQLOs

Uploaded on 20 Apr 2008


From "Was it Something I Said" concert film, live from Australia

[Cidersomerset]

8 September 2014 Last updated at 18:11

Referendum round-up: Ten days to goBy Martin Currie


Read more.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29109006



BBC Scotland
Don't panic, Darling



Alistair Darling

Better Together chairman Alistair Darling denies his campaign is panicking after
Chancellor George Osborne's promise of a timetable for further devolution in the
event of a "No" vote.

First Minister Alex Salmond called the proposal a "panicky" attempt to "bribe" Scots
as opinion polls tighten, with one suggesting "Yes" is ahead.

When speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Darling acknowledged that
the referendum race was "clearly very tight" but said there was no panic.

Should Scotland be an independent country?
Latest poll: You-Gov, 6 Sep 2014

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/sco...s/poll-tracker




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29109006
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"Oh **** get the cheque book !!!!"......Bribery in order..LOL

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8 September 2014 Last updated at 17:39





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Former prime minister Gordon Brown has set out a timetable for
boosting the Scottish Parliament's powers if voters reject independence.

Mr Brown said a "No" vote would be the "starting gun" for Holyrood
to be handed greater control over finance, welfare and taxation.

It is understood the three main Westminster parties will formally
back Mr Brown's proposals on Tuesday.

The SNP has said the "No" campaign is in a state of "absolute panic".

A Downing Street spokesman said of Mr Brown's announcement:
"We welcome this Labour initiative and we are content with the proposed timetable".

On Sunday, Chancellor George Osborne pledged to set out a "plan of action"
on the implementation of new powers.

It came in the wake of a YouGov poll which gave the pro-independence campaign
a narrow lead for the first time in the campaign ahead of the referendum on 18 September.

The value of the pound on Monday fell by about 1.3% against the US dollar to a
ten-month low of $1.61 in the wake of the poll, while shares in some firms
with Scottish links also fell.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-29115556