Exploring Dulce, Archuleta, and the surrounding area above and below ground

[Agape]

Did you meet any animals there Bob ?

Posted by Bob (here)

I would ask Barry ( Spirit Wolf ) when he's back online if he can relate the story about how he got his ( spiritual ) name after meeting with wolves in wilderness while traversing the US in car , on dark night , I don't know all the whereabouts of that story but hope he will be happy to tell .

[Bob]

Hi Agape, there were Deer too numerous to count, Elk, just a few, many Birds (small, plus Hawk, and turkey vultures), Rabbits, one Dog who was interested in everyone and everything... there were no dog's barking, no birds calling. The deer stood often as statues, frozen not moving. The ELK similarly, very still.. The rabbit would not run away, the birds were animated, but silent..

Posted by Agape (here)
Did you meet any animals there Bob ?

[..]

I would ask Barry ( Spirit Wolf ) when he's back online if he can relate the story about how he got his ( spiritual ) name after meeting with wolves in wilderness while traversing the US in car , on dark night , I don't know all the whereabouts of that story but hope he will be happy to tell .

I could talk about my encounter with a lone white Wolf up in Montana about midnight also traversing the upper northern states.. but that would not have anything directly to do with the Dulce thread, except to point out, to Be Aware and Sensitive to the vibrations of the creatures, and of all life.. The breadcrumbs are there..

[mojo]

Did you encounter anyone monitoring when you were there? Surely the gov doesnt want people snooping around their secret bases. If I'm correct, the expedition was to uncover evidence of the underground facility? What would have happened if you came across something of exceptional proof? For instance if you witnessed a craft coming out of the mesa or a secret opening?

Knew a person that help design the complex air duct system at some of the facilities. I posted a thread and got nervous and ask for it to be removed. Think many of us would be intimidated by the MIB, and dropped that avenue of research because of the perceived opposition. But I knew that another avenue to discovery would be a more direct approach to contact. Bob, I admire your passion and fearless in face of what they want to keep secret.

If I may ask what drives your passion? Is it more ET related or gov conspiracy related or both? Thanks and best wishes.

[Bob]

Hiya Mojo - the passion is driven by understanding what is happening with people, with how we all interact with all life, and with the environment..

If something "alien" (non-natural) to the natural balance comes in, just what happens?

Can restoration of balance be accomplished, if so how? those are some motivation factors for me personally. I have endeavored over many years to help to develop methods, techniques, practices, and assists to help in getting that balance back again. Balance though could become totally "static" if the "dynamic" is removed, so keeping "life", quality of life high keeps that pushing of the bubble greater, instead of collapsing into a rock-like (crystallized) state..

When all works in synergy, harmony, it is great, and the vibe coming from such is wonderful.. very pro-life..

This area has intrigued me for many years.. I've been to many reservations in the upper northwest of the US, into Canada, the upper northern Great Lakes areas, throughout the lands of the South and Southwest, throughout the various lands of Florida, in short to understand the vibration and how integration has happened or not happened.. it is very obvious the sensation and seeing how things physically are built.. is the focus beauty and honoring the Creator, or is it an insult to life and anything that can grow and support life..

Dulce area I would say about 100 miles radius is extraordinarily out-of-balance..

On the question of government conspiracy ET phenomenon - it is deep and it is old. There is an immense amount of OIL and Natural Gas exploitation from Aztec through Farmington all the way to and inside the Carson National Forest. I'll get into that a little bit later in the thread.. The rape of the People and the rape of the Land is present to no end in that area. We easily could have a whole set of threads that deal with what has happened to the People placed into the Reservations - what was done and not done, what goals or lack of them has happened over the years..

Why this area for a "dumb" ? Seems like it would be close enough from Sandia, and Los Alamos Labs obviously, relatively easy rock and soil to deal with.. (I'll post a deep earth formation map later in the thread too)..

We're documenting the anomalies, things out of place which should not be present up some valley in the middle of no-where..

The vibes, those are the most predominant - there is no beauty vibe, although the scenery is breath-taking in some spots for areas in the SW of the US. Farming? not really, water is scarce, and putting in crops would be hard due to lack of underground water.. What's left? OIL and natural Gas harvesting.. Or getting hunters to come in, and pay 15-30,000$ for a hunt to go after prime game.. Maybe a Casino or two would bring in tourists to make some $$..

Techy wise, pulling together the needed research equipment is not that difficult. I have 40 years experience in high technology, and looking at "indicators" for anomalies is pretty straight-forward. If something has induced a major out-of-balance in the environment, the people (physically and psychically) one would believe to be responsible something must be done about it such as the first step being education, not sensationalization, hopefully providing adequate data that is highly objective.. and with "enlightenment" the next steps if one follows up, is things will move towards solutions.. so the data gathering steps are needed..

The vibe that is being conveyed both through books, legends, 'first hand or anecdotal evidence' is something is very wrong, reptilian and military or special agency coercion and collusion.

If I were to make a generalization, the feeling is "evil" when reaching out into consciousness in the area. I felt that vibration in the slums of Queens, NY during the Riots in the 60's and 70's.. (see http://crdl.usg.edu/events/ny_race_riots/?Welcome). Evil as in the opposite of LIVE.. or an out - of - balance.. WHO induced that, why was it allowed to fester, and grow.. Those are some questions we can get into answering.. as a group.

Posted by mojo (here)
Did you encounter anyone monitoring when you were there? Surely the gov doesnt want people snooping around their secret bases.

If I'm correct, the expedition was to uncover evidence of the underground facility?

What would have happened if you came across something of exceptional proof? For instance if you witnessed a craft coming out of the mesa or a secret opening?

As to some of those questions - it was hard to NOT have the feeling that one was being watched. I was driving a BIG BLACK vehicle with some "gadgets" stuck to the running boards.. I had to keep my head down, not reach out when in the crowds, not make eye contact.. Things that are not natural to my way of being..

As to monitors, there were some monitors on the roadside similar to the Area 51 monitors. I will post a few pictures too on that.. I mentioned I tripped one of the motion monitors while trying a particular road to get close to one of the mountain's valley's.

With the equipment on-board, any "craft" would be able to be documented, from the gravity anomaly to the changes in EM spectrum. The anomaly locations marked on the maps in the thread are pointing out likely spots that simply do not fit in to a simple mountain valley. To get to them, it takes a lot of work, they are not something one just happens upon.

In talking with one of the leading researchers who was good friends with Dr. Josef Allen Hynek, he said the observations in the field with those "in-the-know" have said, the spiritual component is just as valid as the physical component to the phenomenon, and that they cannot be readily separated. In other words, consciousness/spirit and advanced "transport", capturing consciousness AND manipulating such (for some agenda) and capturing bodies (and modifying them for whatever purpose) appears to be part of some larger agenda, that encompasses not just this area, but many areas..

[Axman]

Thanks Bob this is great.

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Bob: In other words, consciousness/spirit and advanced "transport", capturing consciousness AND manipulating such (for some agenda) and capturing bodies (and modifying them for whatever purpose) appears to be part of some larger agenda, that encompasses not just this area, but many areas..

Thank you for the most interesting review of your 'field jurney', Bob. Do you have any thoughts on where this agenda may be leading? I also feel it is done on a larger scale and certainly outside of the US as well.

Blessings ~

Limor

[Bob]

Hi Limor -

I think for me it is starting to build some answers to some deep questions. In the first, the understanding comes from knowing how much, an oppressed group of people 'broadcasts' into the allness-matrix, and how much that broadcast affects how life and livingness goes on elsewhere (and within the group).

It used to be the beauty of life would sustain, nurture, (the mother earth) life and synergy could be there, not too much taken, and always, there would be a "give back" when something was taken, to get the balance restored, or quite possibly create a slight surplus. Air, light, warmth, food, water -- all on a planet, land or sea based (such as a whale or dolphin pod).. integrated and functioning and capable for thousands of years with good stewardship..

Maybe understanding that stewardship and when there is lack of it, the consequences.. there is a lot more to explore in those questions.. this just touches it.

The Agenda questions:

Where is it going? I'll restate this from above

In talking with one of the leading researchers who was good friends with Dr. Josef Allen Hynek, he said the observations in the field with those "in-the-know" have said, the spiritual component is just as valid as the physical component to the phenomenon, and that they cannot be readily separated. In other words, consciousness/spirit and advanced "transport", capturing consciousness AND manipulating such (for some agenda) and capturing bodies (and modifying them for whatever purpose) appears to be part of some larger agenda, that encompasses not just this area, but many areas..

Is the manipulation a human agenda, or an alien agenda? It would be great to hear thoughts on this. Anyone please jump in.. to stay on thread focus, let's keep it with the "dumbs", and/or specifically why would ET want to come to the middle of some nowhere location, coerce or work with the government(s) and play McDonald's hamburgers using humans and animals for food-stock.. With an advanced technology, there is no reason to go harvesting, when ALL of the DNA RNA and biologicals can be synthesized without the messiness of "bodies". What cannot be synthesized is CONSCIOUSNESS MANIPULATION, as that requires emotionally motivated MINDS (and bodies)..

This later, the mind manipulation is what sways civilizations.. Breeding FEAR, or APATHY, or ANGER, or HATE.. all of that allows for a psychic battery so to speak.. the dark, or EVIL majik..

What would having global consciousness control mean for ET? for some government, or special group?

Setup a situation of fear, of something hidden, keep it unknown and unfathomable, and as described in the post at the top of this page: "And what you do not know, you will fear... and then attempt to destroy it" - and there is the essence of the manipulation tool, the battle, the keep-busy-doing-ness, and the trap, and further entrapment's.. at least that is how it seems to me..

Posted by Limor (here)

Originally posted by Bob: In other words, consciousness/spirit and advanced "transport", capturing consciousness AND manipulating such (for some agenda) and capturing bodies (and modifying them for whatever purpose) appears to be part of some larger agenda, that encompasses not just this area, but many areas..

Thank you for the most interesting review of your 'field jurney', Bob. Do you have any thoughts on where this agenda may be leading? I also feel it is done on a larger scale and certainly outside the US as well.

Blessings ~

Limor

[Limor Wolf]

Very thankful for your response, Bob :) and I would prefer to take time to read it again and indulge in some thoughts.

In the meantime, human and alien agenda are one and the same, my guess is that the dark blanket is hovering above them both..

The dumbs must be the labaratories where the physical genetic aspect of the experiments/modfying takes place and it may also involve the non-physical, but mostly the non-physical may take place on board a ship or in the astral. That is only a guess. So much attempt to modify a species that was already modified, possibly more times than we may care to know, for what reason would that be? Are the astral 'feeding requirments' are now changing and becoming more 3D materialized? or is this agenda has a much higher intention than just colonising the surface of this planet, what is happening in the galaxy, and how does black magic is interwoven into all of that?

I have more questions than that, why would alien souls would come to inhabit human bodies at this time, what is the increasing of consciousness represents and it's relations to the changes in the celectial bodies in our solar systems, Is it a race against the clock? and by whom..

Blessings ~

Limor

[Bob]

OK then, so what was in the sky?

Here is a pix that I took using the camera which would respond into the IR band. This is a visual white light image, but this object above the Mesa was NOT visible with the plain eye.

I circled and expanded the spot being pointed to by the arrow so you don't have to rescale your browser. Because the images originally are stored as jpg (sigh), there IS pixilation to deal with. That something is appearing in the IR portion should warrant more investigation 'on-site' obviously.

It seems to be a bit narrow, and snake-like.. this is similar but much smaller, to an image I would now and then see over the Alamosa Valley, in Colorado, a bit south of Villa Grove and headed towards Saguache. (but more over the valley than near the mountains)

[Bob]

What is the source of the "reptoid" invader dialog? Besides just reading up on stories, books, reports from people who went down into the tunnels, into the 'complex', is there any surface indication besides the silver spheres, that are 5 foot across and cast a shadow showing the object is about 5-6 feet tall?

Possibly...

On this image in the previous page of this thread:

in the other valley to the left, there is another silver object located. Looking closely on the ground, for the 'crop circle' phenomenon (or trapped in images), besides those "circles" being found, a rather set of disturbing images appears..

Here is the original showing the coordinates, and the subsequent image afterwards, I ran through edge and color enhancement. I also added in the missing portion of the image which appeared to be washed out, or otherwise missing, the right half of the image. It could have been erosion, or it could have been ONLY the left half was deliberately placed there... anyway, see what it looks like with the rest of the image (the mirror) added in...

and enhanced and the missing half added..

Is that a representation of the VAT or TANK purported to be in the underground base?

Is that a critter? This doesn't look reptoid exactly, or one's typical Grey alien.. but something else? What?

[mojo]

Hi Bob,

Loving your thead. I was wondering if you thought about a visit to the skinwalker ranch? Bigelow air is in control of the property and I know people have tried to get in there and neighbors around have reported some strange things. Maybe the security is not as important to protect there and a look on the surrounding hills is a possibility?

[Bob]

Posted by mojo (here)
Hi Bob,

Loving your thead. I was wondering if you thought about a visit to the skinwalker ranch? Bigelow air is in control of the property and I know people have tried to get in there and neighbors around have reported some strange things. Maybe the security is not as important to protect there and a look on the surrounding hills is a possibility?

Hia MoJo - actually when I was headed out west further on the exploration path, that location was an intent if I had time (was headed up to Vancouver Island to do some research with the transient Orca Pod...) During that trip a very large thunderbird appeared again after one of the storms (about 20 miles across for that one). I was going to mention this later in this thread, the smaller, (only about 2000 foot sized thunderbird) that appeared after getting into New Mexico. I have been to area 51 and danced with the camo dudes -- weee..

--Bob

-- PS reference to an earlier link when I first mentioned to the Forum, my intentions to delve into this place: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post727621

[Bob]

Help me with this one -

Insectoid, Reptoid, or what?

I took the image which was on the ground and emphasised some of the features for clarity. Looking through the search engines nothing really came up - what is it?

Vibe wise, this is what seemed to be present.. It's not a Grey, no cute "et" phone home critter.. but something else..

[Bob]

Do u recall District '9' - the alien race prison ship which had to seek refuge on Earth?

Are the Dulce' creatures similar to the mock-up of the District 9'ers?

WAS District 9 just a fantasy?

[Kristin]

Thank you for this thread Bob, very interesting!

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Bob]

Posted by Kristin (here)
Thank you for this thread Bob, very interesting!

From the Heart,
Kristin

Took a bit of time to get the expedition setup - https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post727461 was where we were talking on this earlier... Perseverance so adding in some of those missing datum..

[Bob]

Wandering around the roads, one continually trips where one is.. goes somewhere, but where? Earlier in the first page, the remote sensor on a close in road, had two antennas, one was to a satellite, which is a serious monitoring system, the other apparently is to some local location (the lowerband VHF antenna). Apparently they don't seem to think it needs much power (like not too many trips warranting high power...) Who are the 'they' if we may ask?

The can on the left is typical of what is used in Area 51. Meaning they have not upgraded (apparently...) to the more modern annunciation systems.

[Bob]

Posted by mojo (here)
Hi Bob,

[..] Bigelow air is in control of the property and I know people have tried to get in there and neighbors around have reported some strange things.

[..]

Hia Mojo - this isn't the first time that Bigelow has crept up. We can get back to the funded research on all sorts of 'odd' goings on... From one page:

and that 'tank/vat' image earlier found on the other valley plane could also be resembling one of Bigelow's inflatable space habitats.. hmmm

From (Source) -

"BT said that there is a rumor that Bob Bigelow's NIDS Institute has a UFO artifact, and will be bringing that into public view as an attention-getting device, to make the public aware and focus in on the UFO/ET phenomenon. There is the possibility, in my opinion, that such waving around of a piece of a UFO could manipulate people into giving the MJ-12/Aviary/Bigelow NIDS Institute undue power to negotiate with the extraterrestrials on behalf of the rest of us.

"Thus far the Aviary "leaks" for now."

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Merely using the thread title, or part thereof, DULCE. Its inspired many debates, books, vids and speculation. Have you, thats the average Avalon reader, realised that in the entire subject matter only 2 people have stepped forward with claims, in detail that is, of working in these underground bases, In this I'm leaving out Phil Schneider as this could be covered separately. You have one individual called Thomas Castello whom claimed to work at Dulce, a very bold set of claims surrounds that guy. Then you have moi, working in a similar underground base but here in the UK. Now the funny thing is Thomas could not prove Dulce actually exists, nor can anyone else, FACT, there might be circumstantial evidence but certainly NOT proven, just as no one can prove it does not exist. The very same can be said for myself in regards to AL/499 Peasemore in the UK. I cannot prove it exists and no one can prove it does not, many have tried but came up empty handed in trying to prove its not there. I'm also leaving out of the equation Bob Lazar re S4 as I see that a different kettle of fish. Thomas Castello was security, I was security. Funny old World aint it?

[Bob]

Posted by SPIRIT WOLF (here)
Merely using the thread title, or part thereof, DULCE. Its inspired many debates, books, vids and speculation.

Have you, thats the average Avalon reader, realised that in the entire subject matter only 2 people have stepped forward with claims, in detail that is, of working in these underground bases, In this I'm leaving out Phil Schneider as this could be covered separately.

You have one individual called Thomas Castello whom claimed to work at Dulce, a very bold set of claims surrounds that guy.

Then you have moi, working in a similar underground base but here in the UK.

Now the funny thing is Thomas could not prove Dulce actually exists, nor can anyone else, FACT, there might be circumstantial evidence but certainly NOT proven, just as no one can prove it does not exist. The very same can be said for myself in regards to AL/499 Peasemore in the UK.

I cannot prove it exists and no one can prove it does not, many have tried but came up empty handed in trying to prove its not there. I'm also leaving out of the equation Bob Lazar re S4 as I see that a different kettle of fish. Thomas Castello was security, I was security.

Funny old World aint it?

Just to point out, the spots located with the anomalies, are not in the Jicarilla nation, not in Dulce, but are in the Colorado side, on the North side of the Mesa. Why are there ground images (artifacts?), why are there metal structures planted in the middle of no where? (as pointed out in the satellite images)?

Big mystery obviously. To check it out with equipment certainly is a good thing if one is interested.. Anecdotal stuff is an interesting fire-side story to be told around the campfire, and of course the total unusual coincidence of regular earthquakes, geometrically spaced is certainly something to ask how come?

Unknowns are just that, just begging to have some one take a look just why. The earlier posts point out anomalies.. And points out some history of underground use of explosions. We haven't yet gotten into the oil and gas exploitation in the region, or why would ANYONE choose DULCE to write a book on.. Sensationalism? Maybe.

As I have said, I am interested in why there, what is the mystery? Why the cattle mutilations? Why aerial sightings? Why the road sensors? If nothing is there, everything would be innocuous nothing to see.