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    Hi Jake, I have a question relating to what you wrote here -

    Quote A loose definition of OBE is any experience that you have that is beyond the restraints of the physical body... You don't have to be outside your body like a ghost,, there are different flavors to this overall experience.
    I was wondering if you could expand on the different flavours you mention here please?

    I have been out of my body but only once in the way that people generally define OBEs to be (I was four yrs old). I almost had another one more recently, I began vibrating and was floating out through my shoulders but then I slid back in before I could get completely out. Anyway, the reason I'm asking is because I have a lot of various types of experiences and I did experience some of them as being out of my body but now I'm wondering if some of those OBE experiences were more like psychic experiences. Here's an example of the type that I'm referring to (an excerpt from an experience I shared on another thread) -

    Quote I reached out to a young man who had just died a couple of days previously. I was convinced he'd been murdered, so I told him what I thought, I told him I was sorry that had happened to him and then I asked him to let me know if there was anything I could help him with.

    I then laid down and closed my eyes to focus on receiving any messages from him. After a few moments I was suddenly standing outside on the road in front of my house, looking up at the night sky (this was during the day). I noticed two stars which were much brighter than the rest and then my attention was drawn to the star on the left, which pulsed brighter for a second (I understood this to be showing me him entering here from the other side). The next instant I was back laying on my bed and I watched the spirit of the man I had addressed walk through the bedroom door. He then instantly put me to sleep (with consent from my HS, so I have no problem with spirits taking such liberties) and we spoke in private in a small wooden room. We hadn't been speaking for long when he had to leave. I pestered him to stay longer but he insisted he had to go right then, he then left and I woke up.
    Is there some sort of rule of thumb that you have that distinguishes between psychic and OBE experiences? I'm thinking of the difference between the above example and RVing. When I'm RVing I experience being where my body is, while seeing (or attempting to) the target, whereas in experiences like the above example I experience it as being out of my body. Would you agree it comes down to our personal sense of it?
    Hi Rachel.. There are many layers to this onion.. The level of consciousness that we carry in our everyday waking lives is merely one of them.. My definition of an OBE is that it is an Energy Body Experience... which makes the OBE a more tactile, more dense experience than say,, RV...

    Our minds/consciousness reach out in different ways in order to glean what it is we are observing... For example,,, when there is something cooking,, our sense of smell gathers the info without us ever inducing any process.. We might LOOK at what's cooking.. again, an automatic process that we don't have to think about,, quite natural..

    If we sort of relate that to how we have come to view our experiences with consciousness, it makes more sence...

    Let me explain... 😊 The dreaming mind is in there doing it's job,, dreaming.. It thinks that IT is the one at the center of its journey, and that IT is the one living a life.. It carries on in a non-physical world, vaguely aware of a higher self,, and quite insist that it's world is solid and physical... (just like we do in our 'physical' world... lol...)

    So both experiences are simply FLAVORS of our TRUE existence...

    When one is Remote Viewing, one will still be aware of their physical body... When in an OBE, as soon as you think about your physical body,, it triggers a 'return'.. it's not so difficult, really... There are a vast number of ways to expand/house consciousness so as to explore our worlds.. This is not the primary reality.. this physical world is only one way we are experiencing living...

    If we start by assuming that THIS is the primary reality, then trying to have an OBE will be,, well,, limiting... it is the same with RV and psychic experiences...

    All worlds are soft, subtle,, energetic/mental constructs... including this one.. (there are no particles in dreams, though you can't tell that to the dreamer..)

    Somewhere in the vastness,, we are large conscious minds observing and experiencing... As much as we believe we are physical, will be as much as we will be confused about these non-physical (OBE/RV) ways in which we glean information...

    The mental travelers and psychics are traversing those mental planes and can become part of the scene or just be an observer... That is their gift and it is wonderful... Many of us who are having OBEs, are having Energy Body Phenomenon,, that is our gift, and it is wonderful... Mental, spiritual, physical, astral,,, etc,,, these are all different ways we are experiencing our worlds... but we are experiencing them at a higher level,, we just don't fully realize it yet... We are the dreamer who is living the dream,,, we think it is real, though vaguely aware that it ISN'T.. from a higher level, we may not know a difference between RV, OBE, Psychic...

    If I take a big Sniff.. I will simply smell what I smell.. That is how I perceive smells.. However, if I am my Nose,, there may be an entire plethora of ways that I experience different smells, highlights, aromas, etc..

    I can imagine that my soul comes from a more Energetic world.. Therefore my sojourns are an energetic experience ie,, OBE... I can imagine that you (soul/essense) may come from a more mental plane.. Therefore your sojourns will be more mental, ie RV...

    I have absolutely no idea if I touched on your question.. lol... I try and get folks up and out of their bodies as soon as possible so they can judge it for themselves...

    it may very well be that the OBE is the 'thrill-ride' version of sojourning... RV/Psychic may be the peaceful path to the same place...

    Merrily merrily merrily merrily...
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    OK Jake, here is your target.
    Let me know if you find the stargate in the pictures or find it when you are out and about. If you find it please let me know where it is.
    This will be fun.. I have no idea what you are talking about... I guess I will see it when I get there... Just make sure you leave a light on for me... (permission to explore..)

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    Jake, Carol Clarke told me there was a stargate (portal) on the property. If she is correct, it might be fun to locate it.

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    Jake, Carol Clarke told me there was a stargate (portal) on the property. If she is correct, it might be fun to locate it.
    Fair enough.. I'm clearing my dance sheet... lol. I am clearing my goal list, and I'm gonna give it my attention... I'm going for a Real Time Projection. My goal is to find you. My secondary goal is to find your target,, with only the intent to locate it... If I have a good clear night,,, I Will try and pull you out.. Generally, my Real Time Projections are very short,, minute to minute and a half...

    On a side note,, I think I have figured out where I was in the last OBE that I described... The good sign is that I was clearly asking where you were in the Astral,,, I will find you.. I'm used to 'flying blind',, so to speak... lol...

    Be forewarned,, if you don't get up,, I'm tickling the **** out of your feet...

    Jake..
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    Jake, Carol Clarke told me there was a stargate (portal) on the property. If she is correct, it might be fun to locate it.
    Fair enough.. I'm clearing my dance sheet... lol. I am clearing my goal list, and I'm gonna give it my attention... I'm going for a Real Time Projection. My goal is to find you. My secondary goal is to find your target,, with only the intent to locate it... If I have a good clear night,,, I Will try and pull you out.. Generally, my Real Time Projections are very short,, minute to minute and a half...

    On a side note,, I think I have figured out where I was in the last OBE that I described... The good sign is that I was clearly asking where you were in the Astral,,, I will find you.. I'm used to 'flying blind',, so to speak... lol...

    Be forewarned,, if you don't get up,, I'm tickling the **** out of your feet...

    Jake..
    While sleeping, I've had someone pull my toes while I was the only physical human in the house. Must have been someone with a sense of humor.

    The playing card is on the wood stove, face up.

    And similar to the "Motel 6" commercial, "We'll leave the light on for 'ya".
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    Early morning projection. About 3:30am.. I woke to go to the bathroom and lay back down, I tickled the eye trigger and felt a robust twinge of energy.. Before I went further, I clearly held in my mind my new goals. I began to visualize myself in an elevator,, (good trick,, try it after a brief sleep,, it is a method to lower yourself into deeper states...) After a bit,, I got to a floor where I immediately felt very strong energy.. no vibrations, just a strong steady stream.. I got up and out easily.. it was dark so I allowed my vision to adjust.. I was definitely in my house. I made my way slowly down the hallway.. my vision kept getting dark, I would have to pause for it to adjust.. I tried saying 'clarity now!' But my voice seemed to be choked off,, I could not utter words... I remember Thinking about how to get to Ron... I remember thinking, 'I'd better keep it short..' I phased back into the physical and got up and jotted down some notes and dozed back off to sleep...

    Both the loss of vision and the the loss of a voice has always meant (for me) lack of energy...

    It only gets better from here.. I'll begin an Energy work regiment immediately.. I've been slackin...

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    Quote Posted by Rachel (here)
    Hi Jake, I have a question relating to what you wrote here -

    Quote A loose definition of OBE is any experience that you have that is beyond the restraints of the physical body... You don't have to be outside your body like a ghost,, there are different flavors to this overall experience.
    I was wondering if you could expand on the different flavours you mention here please?

    I have been out of my body but only once in the way that people generally define OBEs to be (I was four yrs old). I almost had another one more recently, I began vibrating and was floating out through my shoulders but then I slid back in before I could get completely out. Anyway, the reason I'm asking is because I have a lot of various types of experiences and I did experience some of them as being out of my body but now I'm wondering if some of those OBE experiences were more like psychic experiences. Here's an example of the type that I'm referring to (an excerpt from an experience I shared on another thread) -

    Quote I reached out to a young man who had just died a couple of days previously. I was convinced he'd been murdered, so I told him what I thought, I told him I was sorry that had happened to him and then I asked him to let me know if there was anything I could help him with.

    I then laid down and closed my eyes to focus on receiving any messages from him. After a few moments I was suddenly standing outside on the road in front of my house, looking up at the night sky (this was during the day). I noticed two stars which were much brighter than the rest and then my attention was drawn to the star on the left, which pulsed brighter for a second (I understood this to be showing me him entering here from the other side). The next instant I was back laying on my bed and I watched the spirit of the man I had addressed walk through the bedroom door. He then instantly put me to sleep (with consent from my HS, so I have no problem with spirits taking such liberties) and we spoke in private in a small wooden room. We hadn't been speaking for long when he had to leave. I pestered him to stay longer but he insisted he had to go right then, he then left and I woke up.
    Is there some sort of rule of thumb that you have that distinguishes between psychic and OBE experiences? I'm thinking of the difference between the above example and RVing. When I'm RVing I experience being where my body is, while seeing (or attempting to) the target, whereas in experiences like the above example I experience it as being out of my body. Would you agree it comes down to our personal sense of it?
    Hi Rachel.. There are many layers to this onion.. The level of consciousness that we carry in our everyday waking lives is merely one of them.. My definition of an OBE is that it is an Energy Body Experience... which makes the OBE a more tactile, more dense experience than say,, RV...

    Our minds/consciousness reach out in different ways in order to glean what it is we are observing... For example,,, when there is something cooking,, our sense of smell gathers the info without us ever inducing any process.. We might LOOK at what's cooking.. again, an automatic process that we don't have to think about,, quite natural..

    If we sort of relate that to how we have come to view our experiences with consciousness, it makes more sence...

    Let me explain... 😊 The dreaming mind is in there doing it's job,, dreaming.. It thinks that IT is the one at the center of its journey, and that IT is the one living a life.. It carries on in a non-physical world, vaguely aware of a higher self,, and quite insist that it's world is solid and physical... (just like we do in our 'physical' world... lol...)

    So both experiences are simply FLAVORS of our TRUE existence...

    When one is Remote Viewing, one will still be aware of their physical body... When in an OBE, as soon as you think about your physical body,, it triggers a 'return'.. it's not so difficult, really... There are a vast number of ways to expand/house consciousness so as to explore our worlds.. This is not the primary reality.. this physical world is only one way we are experiencing living...

    If we start by assuming that THIS is the primary reality, then trying to have an OBE will be,, well,, limiting... it is the same with RV and psychic experiences...

    All worlds are soft, subtle,, energetic/mental constructs... including this one.. (there are no particles in dreams, though you can't tell that to the dreamer..)

    Somewhere in the vastness,, we are large conscious minds observing and experiencing... As much as we believe we are physical, will be as much as we will be confused about these non-physical (OBE/RV) ways in which we glean information...

    The mental travelers and psychics are traversing those mental planes and can become part of the scene or just be an observer... That is their gift and it is wonderful... Many of us who are having OBEs, are having Energy Body Phenomenon,, that is our gift, and it is wonderful... Mental, spiritual, physical, astral,,, etc,,, these are all different ways we are experiencing our worlds... but we are experiencing them at a higher level,, we just don't fully realize it yet... We are the dreamer who is living the dream,,, we think it is real, though vaguely aware that it ISN'T.. from a higher level, we may not know a difference between RV, OBE, Psychic...

    If I take a big Sniff.. I will simply smell what I smell.. That is how I perceive smells.. However, if I am my Nose,, there may be an entire plethora of ways that I experience different smells, highlights, aromas, etc..

    I can imagine that my soul comes from a more Energetic world.. Therefore my sojourns are an energetic experience ie,, OBE... I can imagine that you (soul/essense) may come from a more mental plane.. Therefore your sojourns will be more mental, ie RV...

    I have absolutely no idea if I touched on your question.. lol... I try and get folks up and out of their bodies as soon as possible so they can judge it for themselves...

    it may very well be that the OBE is the 'thrill-ride' version of sojourning... RV/Psychic may be the peaceful path to the same place...

    Merrily merrily merrily merrily...
    Jake
    Thank you Jake
    Your description of rv and obe travellers makes so much sence and has given me a different way of looking at things.I've found it very easy to travel while meditating knowing it's not an obe.you have reminded to appreciate the gift I've been given

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    A nice introduction into the OOB experience with Luis Minero who is a chemist and takes a bit more of a logical and scientific approach in explaining it. He says that anyone can learn it.
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    Hi Jake,
    I want to congratulate you and this superb thread. The methodical structured approach and the content with the detailed descriptions makes this easy to follow and understand. I am a new Avalon member but have been a “lurking” guest to the forum for a few years. I have been interested in trying to Astral project for a long time now and have read the other interesting Avalon threads on this subject including; Sirdipswitch’s, Trainee Human & Another bob, all of which provide great information.
    Whilst these have helped alleviate fears and concern your advice on energy work and the detailed explanation of the Munroe trigger method started the vibrations for me basically straight away which really surprised me.
    Just a quick question if I may and please bear with me if you would I’ve only read about one third of this thread and you may have addressed this further on but could you please explain why it is necessary to remove any jewellery prior to attempting energy work and OBE?
    So....many thanks for your help and I’ll keep you posted on any further progress.
    Best wishes;
    Andrew

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