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    This fellow explains the importance of keeping goals. I couldn't have said it better myself... Have a list of goals for when you DO get out, so you don't just stand there confused... (Have a journal handy too... )




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    Wow, just, wow. I'm doing my due diligence and taking my own 30 day course. It's been quite a long time since I've practiced to have OBEs. I usually just wait for them to come. This is going to be fun. More to come.

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    Jake, I am looking forward to your OBE course.
    Will this be a procedure to do once each day for 30 days?
    Can you estimate how much time is required for each practice run?


    I want to have fun.

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    Jake, I am looking forward to your OBE course.
    Will this be a procedure to do once each day for 30 days?
    Can you estimate how much time is required for each practice run?


    I want to have fun.
    Hey, Ron. It will, at least, be fun. You can, of course taylor the practices to your own liking. I do my routine separate from any other meditative practice. I do my energy work right before I lay down and nod off. There are several reasons why, and we'll get into why. It's almost like meditating, we are clearing our minds and breathing, but we have specific intent to move energy. You'll see. When we add proper breathing with energy work it makes for a potent mix. I will even pay on my back and do it just before sleep. It only takes about 15 minutes. Then I do it for a few minutes each time I wake at night. By the whitching hour, we will have worked up some potent natural energy flow, and worked in a little"mind-awake, body-asleep" trance type work. We will work through the whole thing. There's quite a bit more. I don't want to get ahead of myself. I'm on day 7. I've mustered up platform quality energy flow each night. (A platform being the conditions necessary for projection, like a platform to jump from.

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    My OBE to do list is:
    1, Clear conversation with Inner Being. What is our plan for the remainder of this lifetime?
    2. If it does not interfere with their adventures I want to visit Bubba, Fuzzy, Bruno and Frodo. These are my 4 dogs who left this reality from 2007 till 2020.
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    My OBE to do list is:
    1, Clear conversation with Inner Being. What is our plan for the remainder of this lifetime?
    2. If it does not interfere with their adventures I want to visit Bubba, Fuzzy, Bruno and Frodo. These are my 4 dogs who left this reality from 2007 till 2020.
    That is actually quite a touching post. Number one on your list is not my best subject. I have some fun stories and a few profound ones, but my soul still burns for more on that subject. Number 2, however, I have had much experience with. From time to time, my little dog, Ricker, will be out of his wee body with me. On a couple of occasions, when we both woke up, Ricker jumped up out of the bed and pranced around and went and (it seemed like) bragged to the other dogs like he does if I take him for a walk or a ride without the others. My wife has commented about it. Its strange, but I have an astral projecting dog. Their little souls never go away. It’s physical reality that comes and goes…

    Love to you, Brother.
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    BTW having a to-do list is an important part of the course. Stay tuned. (pun intended)
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    I have been setting the intention to visit you Jake.
    If it ever works I will pull your toes and I will not be gentle so you know it is me. :-)

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    Hey I remember you! You were the first person I really talked to about my lucid dreaming. (I try and keep this to myself these days but) remember the dream I mentioned where I was pointed to an area of my backyard and it was to be a 'regrowing area' or something like that? Trees grew/grow and they are invasive. I have to constantly mow the area to keep it clear. It really creeps me out honestly and I don't know what to make of it.

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    Hey I remember you! You were the first person I really talked to about my lucid dreaming. (I try and keep this to myself these days but) remember the dream I mentioned where I was pointed to an area of my backyard and it was to be a 'regrowing area' or something like that? Trees grew/grow and they are invasive. I have to constantly mow the area to keep it clear. It really creeps me out honestly and I don't know what to make of it.

    So good to see you here.
    Wow, good to here from you. Of course I remember. Every time I play pool, I tell myself that I'm practicing to beat ol' Strat. Damn good to see you around. I've written up a 'how-to' guide on OBE. We're gonna go through it in a couple of weeks. Feel free to join in, or swing by and say hello..

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    Often during dream time I look for my car (physical body?) but cannot find it. I wonder if this is OBE related.
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    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-without-drugs

    Just an FYI in case you didn't see this article. A neuroscience team at Stanford has found that a 3Hz signal from the 5th layer of an area of the brain called the Retrosplenial Cortex (RSC) causes out-of-the-body feelings. In case you're not up on your RSC anatomy (I certainly wasn't, it's part of the postmedial cortex, near the midbrain, and is proportionately much bigger in mice), one thing to mention on this kind of board and this kind of topic is that it's the part of your cortex closest to your pineal body -- it sort of surrounds it from the rear.

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    Quote Posted by Old Student (here)
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-without-drugs

    Just an FYI in case you didn't see this article. A neuroscience team at Stanford has found that a 3Hz signal from the 5th layer of an area of the brain called the Retrosplenial Cortex (RSC) causes out-of-the-body feelings. In case you're not up on your RSC anatomy (I certainly wasn't, it's part of the postmedial cortex, near the midbrain, and is proportionately much bigger in mice), one thing to mention on this kind of board and this kind of topic is that it's the part of your cortex closest to your pineal body -- it sort of surrounds it from the rear.
    Indeed. Thank you. I have no doubt that these areas of the brain process the OBE sensations, I may not agree that they are the Cause. I'll definitely check out the link.

    Also, Ron, when I was studying with the original voyagers group with the Monroe Institute, many if the dreaming state lessons that were being recorded were of folks 'looking for their cars', and they turned out to be memory fragments of them trying to get back to their bodies. I've heard that from Robert Bruce too. Many OBEs are going to be remembered through the dreaming state. You can enter into the OBE state from a dream, and you can return from an OBE through the dreaming states.

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    Jake, there was a great OBE article/issue in Nat Geo magazine years ago. Did you ever see it? That magazine is great I would still subscribe to it if I had the time but my nose is always in a book these days. Plus the library is free.

    OBE's isn't exactly in my wheelhouse (high level lucid dreaming is) but I like to think of it as the next gem of scientific discovery. It would be neat to put you through a SPECT scan as you exit your body. I believe it can be proven, it's just that it's an expensive endeavor and nobody wants to risk their scientific reputation on it.

    I've popped out of my body (on accident) twice. The first time scared the **** out of me because I was fully conscious and aware of what was going on and I was in public. I may have told you this, it's been a while. Anyway I was with friends around a fire just hanging out. I was standing in front of the fire smoking a cig (shows how long ago this was, I quit smoking in my early 20s). Suddenly I just popped out of my body. The first sensation I got was that someone was in my personal bubble, standing way to close to me. Ever watch Seinfeld? There's a joke about this, some folks are 'close talkers,' it's uncomfortable. So I backed up a bit. Thing was, I was looking at the back of my own head. I popped directly out of the back of my body.

    Just imagine a wax figure of yourself standing up, then walk directly behind it so your nose is almost touching the back of your own head. Sorta like that.

    It was uncomfortable, I 'shook it off' so to speak and was back in my body and went home.

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    This fellow explains the importance of keeping goals. I couldn't have said it better myself... Have a list of goals for when you DO get out, so you don't just stand there confused... (Have a journal handy too... )



    Cheers Jake...
    6:20 (in the video) quote: "put your arm/hand through the ground"? >>> then why are you able to stand on something that you hand goes through it ... am an NDE/OBE myself but love to detect an obvious paradox here!

    Great video btw. Jake


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    Yes, the physical creates many a paradox... Lol... The best way to say it is to simply stress that the non-physical locales are impressively thought responsive. Of course there's no floor or feet or walls or hands. Thoughts and energy go hand in hand, and so wherever focus goes, energy flows, and so forth. Interacting with the astral environment will be, how you say, paradoxical especially if we are coming from a mindset that things are physical. Things are not even physical in the physical world. It's all energy, though not as thought responsive.
    When I put my hands through a wall, I'm feeling the texture of the plywood, and sheetrock,, and I feel the nails and the wires, I can even taste the dry chemical smell that accompany adhesives and putties in the wall. I'm not really confused about my feet.
    It takes some getting used to, for sure.

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    Quote Posted by Old Student (here)
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-without-drugs

    Just an FYI in case you didn't see this article. A neuroscience team at Stanford has found that a 3Hz signal from the 5th layer of an area of the brain called the Retrosplenial Cortex (RSC) causes out-of-the-body feelings. In case you're not up on your RSC anatomy (I certainly wasn't, it's part of the postmedial cortex, near the midbrain, and is proportionately much bigger in mice), one thing to mention on this kind of board and this kind of topic is that it's the part of your cortex closest to your pineal body -- it sort of surrounds it from the rear.
    Here is a link to the article incase someone wants to give it a read. It's right on target with some things i've been pointing out. They are causing small oscillations or vibrations in the targeted areas of the brain, Triggering OBE exit sensations. I've mentioned the vibrational or vibratory state that is a platform for projection. We can learn to do it naturally by moving energy and 'tickling' these same areas. It is an excellent study. They call it 'Rhythmic Optogenetic activation'. In the upcoming tutorial, we will do it another way.
    The article does make clear thar despite the basic and clinical importance of their findings, the underlying cellular and circuit mechanisms of dissociation remains unknown.

    Ahem....

    They are most certainly NOT Unknown...

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    Default Re: The Out-of-Body-Experience. A Place Where Science and Spirituality Meet.

    So, I'm about halfway through my course. Sorry it's taking so long. I feel like I have to get it right. I can say,,, so far, so good. In about a week, I'm going to try and get an idea of who wants to participate. It will be designed like a normal course. We'll go day one, then day two, then three, etc...
    I think I Will start a new thread for the course and for discussion, and keep this one going for an open study, like I've been doing.

    I appreciate the patience. Stay tuned...

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    Day 21. Fully conscious, Full Exit Projection FROM SCRATCH..

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    Hi Jake - I'm currently reading The Book of Jacob (great writing by the way) and I would definitely like to register my interest here!

    All the best,

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    Hi Jake - I'm currently reading The Book of Jacob (great writing by the way) and I would definitely like to register my interest here!

    All the best,

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    Welcome to Avolon. Thanks for the interest. I'll count you in. The Book of Jacob is from 2010. I appreciate it.

    The upcoming course is a culmination of the book, this study, and everything else I can muster to help get folks out of their bodies. I'll keep you posted.

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