Posted by Jake
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Posted by Sebastion
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Well Jake, methinks I will lay out the rest of my theory as this seems to be the best place for it! I thank you guys for the support, otherwise I would have kept my mouth shut, or my fingers quiet!
First of all, my first experience that started the ball rolling for me, was my initial entry point to cosmic consciousness. At one point, I was standing outside of my body watching-I was sitting down at the time-and I saw what appeared to be miniature lightening bolts entering my physical body around my head and temple area. I was simultaneously able to see and feel from inside my body, that when an electrical bolt entered my head, that it was recognized as a thought coming in! Time was slowed down, seemingly so that I could observe the entire phenomenon. I watched as the thought registered in the brain and swept thru my entire nervous system! Then the thought was categorized and placed within the brain or you could call it, the mind shelf.
It was at that moment, that I knew that thinking did not occur in the brain but rather in the area of the crown chakra or nimbus which surrounds the area above the head. I knew also that it was the neurons, neural pathways which are responsible for the receiving of thoughts from immediately outside of the head. I suspect strongly also that the neurons also send thoughts out back to that area. In other words, it's your neural networks, neurons which is the body's link up electrically with your consciousness which surrounds and permeates the physical body.
I think also that the energy field which surrounds the body complex is your consciousness itself and your entire central nervous system is wired to it via neural complexes, etc. I could be wrong but what the hay! It is all quite marvelous to see how this system works and when it is understood for what it is, the possibilities are far greater then anyone realizes. I have one more explanation to finish this off but will save it for another post.
I thank you Jake for the compliment but believe you me, I am just the same as everyone else! I continue to thank all of you for your comments on this thread!
Brilliant! Bravo!!!
Even if you were not 100% correct, I'd be willing to wager you were in the upper 99 percentile... 'Mindshelf"! I like that too.. I've been privy to witness a similar process with Memories. Though, not directly over the crown but in the energy fields that surround the body. Also I've experienced witnessing multiple energy fields flowing and pulsing and the energy follows definitive paths and directional ebbs and flows and they are all interconnected... This is the same thing, methinks,, that correspond to the vast complex of nervous system... The subtle energies are part of a 'subtle' Nervous System that are very physical... This is where we begin to rethink our understanding of what is Physical, and what is Non-physical.. If you break it down like this, even the subtle energy systems and astral body can be consider to be Physical... However, when you find yourself out of your body,, you tend to really not care what the definition of Physical is,, as the rules change... Really, physicality is a POINT OF VIEW...
I was told by another projector that she witnessed the same thing as I did but she noticed that when as the energy flows became 'in tune' or 'synced up' with each other, the Chakras began to glow, not from bottom to top (like I am usually aware of) but all at the same time. This is a fascinating aspect of consciousness. And a fascinating aspect of ObE!! I haven't really gotten into the energy fields that Surround the body. For the scope of the OB study, my plan was to make sure that we covered the basics, as an in depth, philosophical discussion can lead to much unneeded confusion. But this is turning into less Philosophical,, and more Nuts and Bolts... I've noticed energy centers in the energy fields around the physical body.. I haven't locked in a location for any of them... Ha, (like an electron,,, in know that they are there, but I haven't had any luck pointing to one.. lol..) Advanced energy work techniques deal with extending awareness beyond the body and into the energy field Around the body.. Extend the focused awareness outside the body and you can start to 'feel' the energy. It is never 'still'. Always moving/spinning/circling.. (that's how I feel it,,) Subtle neural fields... Sebastion, I am all ears when you are ready to continue... This is all fascinating...
NancyV,,, Tom Campbell is one of my favorites.. I tell ya, I missed my calling.. I should have been a physicist. I understand many of the deep theoretical 'problems' within physics, and can sing them like a canary sometimes... I have the deepest respect for ANY physicist.. That is a lot of work... It's not easy approaching these more 'esoteric' subjects when you have been completely programmed to brush them aside. Tom Campbell is a SKEPTIC... Well, not so much any more,,, lol... hahahaha!!!
I haven't made my way through the MY BIG TOE trilogy, but I am making my way through the first one... Tom is friggin brilliant... Wouldn't you believe that it was Robert Monroe that came into Toms life and turned it upside down?? Tom loves to talk about 'back in the day.. lol... Toms boss threw the book 'journeys out of the body' by Robert Monroe and was told to read it, and tell him what he thought.. After a couple of days, he got back with his boss and made a couple of remarks about the book but nothing too intense.. This started the ball rolling with regards Toms explosive research into consciousness.. Tom was one the original 'explorers' group, before the idea for the Monroe Institute ever came into being... When Robert Monroe verified the legitimacy of the ObE, he set himself on a journey to get to the 'science' behind it.. That's where Tom Campbell comes in! Tom and Bob mad a deal... Tom was going to share everything he knew about science and physics and help Bob get Monroe Labs off the ground,,, and Bob was going to share everything he knew with Tom, and help him to get up and out of his body, so that they could begin to experiment scientifically... And O what a match they were... I studied with Bob Felix, who was also a member of the original explorers group with Bob and Tom... What they started is carrying over into a whole new generation. Tom is still alive and kicking,, and lecturing and debating and experimenting and writing... He is very active with regards getting this information out into to a broader public arena...
Here is a vid of him talking about the early days with him and Robert Monroe...
(Hey weird, look,,, the still of the vid above shows Tom Campbell out of his body... lol...)
A great deal of his experiences with Monroe is documented in
Toms first Book, MY BIG TOE...
The Wizard of Whistlefield... lol... That's what they called Bob. lol. It's particularly funny because one of the chapters in the book is called,,
'Is this guy Monroe, Nuts, or what? That is poetry!! Tom and Bob were the first of their kind with regards putting actual science to 'altered states' and 'threshold consciousness'....
When Tom verified it for himself,,, he didn't stop there. He made sure that he brought friends and family into the isolation booths so that they could learn and grow too..
Consider this account from Tom Cambell...
"One of our first experiments was for Dennis and me to take a trip (experience) in the nonphysical together. Our independent descriptions of what we were experiencing should correlate closely if the experience were real and independent of either of us. From the beginning of our training, we had learned to give real-time descriptions of whatever we experienced. A microphone was suspended from the ceiling above each of our heads. What we said was recorded on tape. Dennis and I could not hear each other because we were in separate soundproof chambers.
Dennis and I quickly achieved the appropriate altered state, left our bodies, and met in the nonphysical as planned. It was a long adventure. We went places, saw things, had conversations with each other and with several nonphysical beings we happened to run into the long way.
Bob had let us go a long time before he ended the session and called us back. We pulled off our EEG and GSR electrodes and stumbled out of the darkness into the hallway of the lab.
In the control room, Bob was waiting for us. After a quick exchange, we knew that his would be a good test because we both had experienced many specific interactions. But were they the same interactions? Bob looked at us deadpan. 'So you two think you were together?' he asked, trying to sound disappointed. We looked at each other and shrugged our shoulders.
'Maybe,' Dennis said tentatively, 'at least we perceived meeting each other.'
'Listen to this!' Bob said emphatically. The tapes, rewound as we disconnected electrodes and climbed out of our chambers, began to roll forward. We sat down and listened. The correlation was astonishing. For almost two hours we sat there with our mouths open, hooting and exclaiming, filling in the details for each other. Bob was now grinning. 'Now that tells you something, doesn't it?' he exclaimed beaming. He was every bit as excited as we were.
I was dumbfounded. There was only one good explanation: THIS STUFF WAS REAL! (...)
We repeated that experiment with similar results. It wasn't a phenomenon that depended on the two of us. Nancy Lea and I shared equally astonishing joint experiences. We tried other things as well. We read three and four digit numbers written on a blackboard next to the control room. Somebody would write a random number and we would read it while our bodies lay asleep. Then they would erase it and write another one, and so on and on. We went places - to people's homes - and saw what they were doing, then called them or talked to them the next day to check it out."
- Dr Thomas Campbell (My Big T.O.E.)
There is much more to Tom than we can cover in just a couple of posts... But that's good for now. I'll end for the night by paraphrasing Toms analogy of OBE and how he regards it.. Very important perspective, methinks...
What If you lived your whole life alone in a single room with no windows, and maybe just a door. You couldn't open the door and go through it, but it is there. You've never met anyone or been outside. You didn't have a TV or radio,, just you in this single room for your whole life and that is all that you knew.. Well, let's say that one day you find a way to open the door, and you step out into your back yard... A whole new reality opens up to you that you had no idea existed. Now you can see the sky and space and trees and you can hear the dogs barking and see houses and folks mowing their lawns... You see birds and you can smell the air and a larger reality has dawned on you.... As amazing as it is,,,, It is still just your back yard..
There is more,,, much much more...
Cheers, all
Jake.
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Ahhhhh. So much fun reading this thread. Wish I could contribute in some way and join in. But apparently my Mission Control Center hasn't cleared me for lift-off. So I'll just have to be a spectator for the time being. 
I'll try to get the Astral Work/Rescue thread going before the week ends. I can't wait to hear some of your rescue stories.
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