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    I don't see an ongoing thread on fluoride, but if I missed it, somebody please send me a link.
    If not, then I think we need one.
    Here's the latest from FAN (Fluoride Action Network)

    Quote Simply put Fluoride Action Network’s 5th Citizens’ Conference on Fluoride exceeded all our expectations. The Science day (Sept 6), Organization day (Sept 7) and the Lobby day (Sept 8) were all great – and to crown it all key participants had meetings with top officials at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) before the conference (Sept 4) and EPA Water Division officials after the conference (Sept 8). The details of these meetings will have to come later, suffice it now to say that Bill Osmunson DDS, William Hirzy PhD, and Chris Nidel, a lawyer, attended the HHS meeting and Quanyong Xiang PhD, Chris Neurath, William Hirzy PhD and myself attended the meeting with EPA.

    Highlights

    Here are some of the highlights of the conference and lobby day from my perspective but I am a little hesitant to do this because all the speakers were unbelievably good. There were no duds and no dull moments. We hope to have videos of some of the conference presentations available in the not too distant future (we will let you know).

    But before I get to the speakers I will repeat what I said to the approximately 100 attendees. I am a very privileged person. I have met many of the activists on this issue from around the world. I know what a very special bunch they are. No one I have worked with on this is in it for money, power, or prestige. The people I have met in this battle on several continents are just wonderful people. Almost by definition they are caring; they are persevering and most have had to resist personal attacks by proponents and attempts to marginalize them in their communities. So why do they do it? For most the answer is as simple and as powerful as the desire to protect their children and grandchildren and to have the right to determine which medicines they take and for others it is a determination to have scientific integrity used to inform public health decisions. In the main many of them feel very isolated. So the joy for me at this 5th FAN Conference was to see many of these folks from the US and Canada meet up and find out that they are not alone and that they have had similar experiences to others fighting this same battle. They also experienced the joy of finding that despite our differences in many other categories (politics, religion, ethnicity, income, etc.) this is an issue that we can all work on together and behave in the way that human beings were meant to behave when their children’s health is at stake.

    Because this account is a little long and some of you may not make it to the end of my summary of the conference presentations I am going to start with Dan Stockin’s explosive revelations, which came at the end of the Sunday session, about what appears to be collusion between the Centers for Disease and Prevention’s Oral Health Division (CDC) and the American Dental Association (ADA) to mislead the American public on the dangers posed by fluoridation. (You can also read this bulletin online at http://fluoridealert.org/content/bulletin_09-16-14/ )

    Dan Stockin, MPH, is a career public health professional from Georgia. He has worked closely with Civil Rights leaders in Atlanta and in the process has coined the term “Fluoridegate” to describe the failure of the CDC Oral Health Division to issue health warnings on fluoride exposure, especially to kidney patients and members of the Black and Hispanic communities who appear to be particularly susceptible to fluoride’s toxicity. Dan brought the Sunday session to a very exciting close. In fact his presentation was like the unfolding of a John Grisham novel. Dan released 2500 pages of documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). These documents pertained to all the exchanges between employees at the Oral Health Division of the CDC (the only division at the CDC that deals with fluoridation) and the ADA. (There are also documents from the Department of Health and Human Services.) These documents make it abundantly clear that what we have suspected for a very long time has been correct: namely, the ADA and CDC Oral Health Division are the tweedledum and tweedledee of fluoridation promotion. They work hand in hand (often at taxpayers’ expense) to spin the message in favor of fluoridation. Instead of taking evidence of harm seriously, they see their job as “getting around” the information in the larger effort of protecting this practice rather than protecting the public’s health. In this effort they are tracking every step FAN is making, read every bulletin, warn local dental associations about every appearance I make, as well as several other key individuals and organizations in this battle. It is not surprising that the ADA is doing this: the shock is they have such willing and eager cooperation from the civil servants working at the CDC. The following short excerpt gives you the flavor. This comes from an email titled, “Special Analysis” from Kip Duchon, PE (an engineer working at the CDC Oral Health Division) and Jane McGinley, a spokesperson for the ADA:

    “…since you rank as a special friend with elevated consideration, I am sharing with you (confidentially, so don’t pass on to anyone without asking me first if you can) my most recent review of this information that I prepared for a “special” and confidential use (wink-wink).” (my emphasis, PC)

    See Dan Stockin’s powerpoint and four files of FOIA documents from the FAN website. You can also access the FOIA documents from Chris Nidel’s website (click on fluoride, then FOIA docs).

    Now back to the beginning of the FAN conference.

    Saturday (Sept 6)

    Henry Lickers, Director of the Mohawk Council of Akwesasne, Department of the Environment, opened the proceedings with the traditional and moving Mohawk greeting and welcome.

    After my presentation (Fluoridation 101) we heard from Michael Connett, JD, who summarized what he called the “rest of the iceberg” with respect to the neurotoxicity studies of fluoride’s impact on the brain, which makes fluoride’s lowering of IQ quite understandable. Look out for the videotape of Michael’s presentation, as it will be a great addition to our video library. See Michael’s powerpoint. Also see FAN’s press release, Fluoride Brain Damage Studies Mounting, based on Michael’s presentation.

    The highlight of the day came when Quanyong Xiang, PhD, gave a most important presentation on his IQ work in China. Dr. Xiang works for the Chinese Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) in Jiangsu Province. As many of you know the EPA is basing its new risk assessment for fluoridation on the endpoint of severe dental fluorosis. Dr. Xiang confirmed that the lowering of IQ was a more sensitive endpoint than severe dental fluorosis because some of the children in his study with lowered IQ had either moderate or mild dental fluorosis. Thus we must urge the EPA to use lowered IQ as the more sensitive end point for its risk assessment to determine a new MCLG (maximum contaminant level goal). See Dr. Xiang’s powerpoint.

    After Xiang we heard from Bill Hirzy, PhD (a former risk assessment specialist at the EPA). In his presentation Bill showed the EPA how to do an honest risk assessment using standard safety factors. This reassessment would force a MCLG of zero – and thus end water fluoridation. See Bill’s powerpoint.

    Chris Neurath of FAN then showed how weak the fluoridation promoters’ criticism of the IQ studies, contained in the meta-analysis performed by the Harvard team (Choi et al, 2012), are. Chris easily dismissed the lightweight NZ study by Broadbent et al. (2014). See Chris’ powerpoint.

    We were delighted when we heard that Jennifer Luke, DDS, PhD, was attending our conference. It was Luke who pioneered work on fluoride and the pineal gland. In her short presentation (which she agreed to give at the last minute) Luke produced an unexpected bombshell. She told us that children with autism and other developmental disorders produce very little melatonin. Since melatonin production was lowered in the high fluoride treated animals in her experiments (Luke, 1997), researchers may have to add exposure to fluoridated water as a possible additional cause or compounding factor for the rapid rise in autism in the US. See Luke’s powerpoint.

    In a legal panel Jim Turner, Charlie Brown and other lawyers discussed what steps we can take to force the EPA to do an honest job with their much delayed risk assessment on fluoride. The timeline here is shocking. In 1986 the EPA produced a horribly non-protective standard for fluoride in drinking water (Maximum Contaminant Level) and the science based, but not enforceable, Maximum Contaminant Level Goal (MCL, MCLG) of 4 ppm (the WHO and our neighbors Canada and Mexico have a 1.5 ppm standard). Whistle blowers at the EPA warned that this 4 ppm standard was politically-motivated and the Natural Resources Defense Council took legal action. All to no avail. Americans have had to live with this unscientific MCLG for nearly three decades. In 2003, the US EPA asked the National Research Council of the National Academies to review the MCLG. Three years later they produced a 500-page review (NRC, 2006). This review concluded that the 4 ppm standard was non-protective of health and advised the EPA to do another risk assessment to determine a new MCLG (this is the ideal scientifically based goal to protect all our citizens; the MCL is a federally enforceable standard which takes into account the economic costs of removal of fluoride where it occurs naturally). Eight years later and we are still waiting for that risk assessment to be completed.

    Chris Nidel, tort case lawyer, explained the status of his current lawsuit against the sellers of artificially fluoridated bottled water targeted for infants. He, and other lawyers, is seeking out more parents around the country with children afflicted with dental fluorosis who will join this class-action suit, as well as others with evidence that they have been harmed by fluoride. See Chris’ powerpoint.

    Bill Osmunson, DDS, gave his usual clear and concise summary of just how weak the evidence is that swallowing fluoride reduces tooth decay. This graphical plots he used examined the percentage of parents answering ”yes” to the question, “Do your children have very good or excellent teeth” in 50 state surveys administered by the HHS. The response from high-income families was about 80% across the board and for low-income families about 60%. However when plotted against the percentage of the population of each state drinking fluoridated water, the graphs were essentially flat indicating no obvious relationship between children having excellent teeth (at least as perceived by parents) and the fluoridation status of each state. See Bill’s powerpoint (in pdf) to see these graphs.

    From the floor Mark Gietzen from Wichita, Kansas, offered an intriguing hypothesis as to how early dental researchers like McKay unwittingly ascribed in the late 1920’s less tooth decay to those with dental fluorosis – and set the whole idea of water fluoridation in motion. There may have been other reasons why in those days people with dental fluorosis had less tooth decay. Mark will be refining his hypothesis for possible future publication.

    And that was only Saturday. The power-points of all these presentations are online at FAN’s website. In the next few months we hope to have some edited videotaped versions of the presentations. A very special word of thanks to Doug Cragoe for videotaping virtually the whole proceeding and ditto to Clint Griess for streaming most of the conference online.

    After dinner, the highlight of Saturday evening was when a grand piano suddenly appeared and we were entertained by Jay Sanders (Clean Water California) a professional musician from San Francisco and Richey, a professional singer and guitarist from Ireland. Their professional performance was not completely sabotaged by a solo from Michael! We all joined in the sing-along, which was a great end to an exciting and information-packed day.

    Sunday (Sept 7)

    Aisling FizitGibbon got Sunday off to a colorful and cracking start in her brilliant pink “super hero” flying suit and cape. In Ireland Aisling is known as The Girl Against Fluoride and she is getting huge media attention. She presented her experience in fighting fluoridation and the reasons why we must change the way we fight. She stressed that it was more about psychology than information. Aisling said that people should consider marketing a positive message instead of a negative one. She said that negativity in Ireland did not work because the citizens swallowed the PR that fluoridation is good for you. She said she got the most attention when she went “naked” – holding up posters “Stripped of My Rights” in strategic places. Currently she is working on a comic book for kids where she will be taking on Freaky Flora, a F-pusher.

    Rick North is an activist who worked with Clean Water Portland during their historic fluoridation referendum. Rick presented a thrilling account of the incredible victory citizens achieved – against HUGE odds – in keeping fluoridation out of Portland, Oregon, in 2013. He detailed some of the devious behind-the-scenes moves by the pro-fluoridation forces – which included paying out $143,000 to local, largely ethnic groups to support fluoridation. Some literally got $20,000 for doing little more than have their name on a list of “endorsements.” Luckily the local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People held out against this bribery and instead were active participants in the anti-fluoridation campaign. Rick made the audience gasp at pictures Clean Water Portland’s huge billboard (the largest I have ever seen in a campaign of this kind and included in his powerpoint). Rick also compiled a list of arguments and messaging systems, which seemed to work best in their campaign. This information should be very, very useful for people just beginning their campaigns, although we should remember that what might work in one community might not work in another as locals know their community better than anyone else.

    Stuart Cooper, FAN’s campaign manager, outlined the progress being made in two recent FAN initiatives: The Worldwide Alliance to End Fluoridation and Parents Against Fluoridation, or at least that’s what we thought we would call this campaign before some of the comments made at the conference. There was very strong sentiment (from Jim Turner, Aisling and others) that we should be FOR something not AGAINST something – at least in the title of the group. So we will give the last word to our members. See Stuart’s powerpoint.

    WHICH TITLE DO YOU PREFER:

    1) Parents Against Fluoridation

    2) Parents For Fluoride-Free Water

    3) Or a third alternative (your suggestion)?

    Please email your responses to Ellen this week.

    Another last minute addition to our agenda was Jim Bohl, the legislator from Milwaukee, who led an effort there to end fluoridation in this very large city. Jim outlined the pitfalls of undertaking an initiative like this without the support of an organized group of citizens. Even though Jim was able to bring in several experts (dentist Bill Osmunson, pediatrician Yolanda Whyte and myself) the well-heeled proponents were able to bring in their shock-and-awe team and mobilize a few local dentists and doctors to speak up at the same hearing. They sowed enough doubt in the minds of his fellow legislators (some of whom were very sympathetic to removal of fluoride) to make a vote against fluoridation “risky” in their minds without a public clamoring for them to do so. Jim was able to salvage something for his efforts. He got the council to vote to have a statement on water bills warning parents not use fluoridated tap water to make up baby formula to reduce the risk of dental fluorosis. See Jim Bohl’s powerpoint.

    Henry Rodriguez, Concilio Zapatista 4383, is from San Antonio and works with the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), the oldest and largest Hispanic organization in the US. Henry explained his involvement in helping communities fight fluoridation and told us of a dispute that occurred after a vote was taken at LULACs September 2011 annual conference that approved a resolution on the Civil Rights Violation Regarding Forced Medication. An individual in the LULAC leadership unanimously removed the resolution from the group’s website and Henry explained what he did to get back online. In addition to his wise words Henry won the audience with his passion and his dancing ability! See Henry’s powerpoint.

    Dr. Joseph Mercola gave the keynote address immediately after lunch. Dr. Mercola is a passionate advocate of natural medicine, organic food, a wellness champion, and a visionary who has succeeded in implementing much needed changes to our current healthcare system. In 1997, after 25 years as a physician to thousands of patients, Dr. Mercola merged his passion for health with his interest in technology and created Mercola.com, now the #1 natural health website in the world, educating and empowering millions. He has crafted a simple but powerful plan for readers to take back their health.

    Dr. Mercola’s presentation was largely based on his soon-to-be-published book Effortless Healing. He argues that good health is your birthright and within your grasp, you just have to step out of its way. In both his book and his presentation Dr. Mercola described the 9 simple secrets to sidestepping illness, shedding excess weight, and helping your body to fix itself.

    Before he began his presentation Dr. Mercola introduced members of the Health Liberty Alliance he has put together and supports so generously. These included Ronnie Cummins of Organic Consumers Association; Charlie Brown of Consumers for Dental Choice; Barbara Loe Fisher of the National Vaccination Information Center and myself for Fluoride Action Network. Jeffrey Smith of the Institute for Responsible Technology was unable to attend. Smith is a staunch advocate for ending GMOs.

    It was inspiring to be able to hear and meet Dr. Mercola in person in addition to some of the key players in his team.

    Mike Ewall, JD. I have known Mike for over 20 years. He is simply one of the best grass roots organizers I have met. Back in the late 80’s it was while he was still a student that he introduced me and many other grass roots activists to the power of the internet. Like many other areas of life this revolutionized the grass roots movement. In his talk he told us how year after year (or rather every other year) the promoters of fluoridation have tried to introduce mandatory fluoridation in Pennsylvania. There have been some squeaky moments but every time the opponents have fought it back. Mike told us how they have successfully put together a broad coalition to do this. Mike also spoke of the importance of putting together a multi-racial coalition to fine tune the arguments on the disproportionate harm fluoride causes to communities of color. See Mike’s powerpoint.

    Charlie Brown, JD. Charlie is the executive director and legal council for Consumers for Dental Choice. He discussed the success that they have had fighting the use of mercury amalgams. This has become a worldwide campaign with a global mercury bill on reducing mercury contamination of the environment. The language in the bill refers to a phase down (Charlie would prefer phase out) in the use of mercury amalgams (euphemistically and deceptively referred to as “silver fillings” by the ADA, even though they are 50% mercury!). Charlie urged us to stress the environmental damage caused by dumping thousands of tons of hazardous waste into the environment each year, resulting from the use of the fluoridating chemicals derived from the phosphate fertilizer industry. He also urged us to drive a wedge between the CDC and the ADA, just as they have tried to do with FDA and the ADA. A trade association (ADA) has no right to tap into taxpayers’ money to promote or defend its dirty work in its effort to protect itself from accumulated liabilities from its aggressive promotion of two neurotoxins: mercury amalgams and fluoride.

    Bill Osmunson, DDS. Explained to us his many years of effort to get the FDA to regulate fluoride for ingestion. It currently identifies fluoride as an “unapproved drug” even though this has been the most prescribed medicine (via water fluoridation) in American history. In his presentation Bill gave details of his second petition to the FDA CDER. This petition, submitted in Nov 2010, had 32 pages and 36 Appendixes with documentation for support. The request read:

    The Undersigned Submits this Petition in Support for Reconsideration of a Decision, to the Commissioner of Food and Drugs, in Dockets FDA-2007-P-0346 (FDA CDER denial). The FDA CDER denial is in Violation of the FD&C Act when the FDA CDER delegates Drug Regulatory Authority to the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency). This Appeal Respectfully Orders the FDA to No Longer Defer Regulatory Action on the Manufacturing of the Unapproved Fluoridated Water Drug

    This petition lays out the evidence that fluoride is a drug and argues that Congress has prohibited the EPA from adding drugs to water. The MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) between FDA and EPA did not include drugs (the MOU has been rescinded). Fluoride is not a nutrient. Public water systems are manufacturing a misbranded, adulterated, and illegal drug. The FDA has the power and the responsibility to put this right but refuses to do so. As a result the American public is not being protected by the very agency responsible for protecting the public from drugs. This is one of the issues we hope will be taken up – if or when – Congress organizes joint hearings on fluoridation, which was our goal for lobbying for Monday (Sept 8) see below.

    Panel of Activists:

    •• Dawna Gallagher-Stroeh is the founder of Clean Water Sonoma-Marin.


    •• Neil Carman, PhD, formerly with the Texas Air Commission and member of the Sierra Club and Fluoride Free Austin.


    •• Jay Sanders helped form the new non-profit: Clean Water California- see Jay’s powerpoint

    
•• Brooke Templeton is founder of End Fluoridation in Baltimore – see Brooke’s powerpoint

    In addition to the details raised by each of these activists which were pertinent to their local situations, the exciting thing for me and others was to see the combination of both experience (Dawna and Neil) and the energy, youth and enthusiasm of the new people getting involved in this battle. If the proponents of fluoridation were waiting for us “oldies” to die off then they must be shaking in their boots as they see the waves of younger folks marching over the hill. I think we can safely say that it is no longer a question of “if” fluoridation is going to be defeated but “when.”

    In addition to these formal presentations from this panel, there were many contributions from the floor from other grass roots activists. I am thinking especially of Regina Imburglia from Dallas, Texas. Talk about the irrepressible force meeting the immovable object that is Regina. She reminds me of the remarkable fact that a mushroom, despite it softness of its flesh, can push its way through concrete!

    Monday Sept 8, FAN lobby day.

    Our anticipation was that this Lobby Day would be the beginning of a year-long effort to get Congress to hold joint Congressional hearings on fluoridation. Over the next 12 months we hope that all of you will keep sending letters into your Congressional representatives asking them to hold these hearings. At our end we will be organizing a number of sign-on letters via our online system. But in addition please use each new piece of information as an excuse to write to them again (e.g. another community ending fluoridation; another scientific paper showing harm or another scandal where it is shown that our regulatory bodies are being subverted by lobbyists representing special interests like the ADA and the pharmaceutical industry).

    Remember our three demands:

    1) No more taxpayers’ money to the CDC to promote fluoridation. There is enough private money from the ADA and the Pew Charitable Trusts to finance pro-fluoridation propaganda.

    2) That the US EPA Office of Water conduct an honest risk assessment based upon the studies that have associated lowering of IQ with fluoride exposure. The EPA’s job is not protect the fluoridation program but to protect our health, especially our children’s intellectual development.

    3) That the FDA finally after 68 years of dragging its bureaucratic feet regulate fluoride for ingestion – both in tablet form and as delivered in water. They have done a good job regulating fluoridated toothpaste now do the same for fluoridated water and fluoride supplements.

    Thanks to all the people that helped to organize this wonderful conference (Ellen C., Bill H., Bill O, Sylvia Erville, Stella Kwan, Stuart Cooper), to all those who helped Ellen at the registration desk and book table, those who supported it financially, and to all to those who dug deep and came to Crystal City in person.

    To view the conference powerpoints we also have them at this site.

    Sincerely,

    Paul Connett, PhD
    Director
    Fluoride Action Network
    Co-Author, The Case Against Fluoride
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    There are 52 threads on Fluoride. Go here:

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    type in they keyword box: "Fluoride", select "Search Titles Only" and they will come up.
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    The Spice That Prevents Fluoride From Destroying Your Brain





    Fluoride is found everywhere today, from antibiotics to drinking water, to stick pans to toothpaste, making exposure inevitable. All the more reason why new research proving this common spice can prevent fluoride damage is so promising!

    Continues...
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    I was led to this website by another member quite some time ago and have been buying in bulk when funds allow it. Definitely reccommend them if anyone is ever interested: http://www.herbco.com/o-organic-170-turmeric.aspx

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    I did do a search, but didn't see one main, current thread just on fluoride, in general, though lots of places where it's mentioned in reference to something specific. There is always something new about fluoride in the news, like GMOs, and I think we need to have one general, ongoing thread about each.
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    Surprised that I haven't found history of this being posted on this forum



    Very good documentary.

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    FAN IS NOW SUING THE EPA TO END FLUORIDATION
    (Looks like it's time to resurrect this thread!)
    Fluoride Action Network | Bulletin | April 25, 2017
    http://fluoridealert.org/content/bulletin_4-25-17/

    Quote It’s official: the Fluoride Action Network–along with a coalition of environmental and public health groups–has filed a complaint in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California against the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in response to their denial of our petition under Section 21 of the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) seeking a ban on water fluoridation. This may be the lawsuit we have all been waiting decades for.

    According to FAN’s attorney, Michael Connett, “this case will present the first time a court will consider the neurotoxicity of fluoride and the question of whether fluoridation presents an unreasonable risk under the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). And, in contrast to most other legal challenges of Agency actions, TSCA gives us the right to get the federal court to consider our evidence ‘de novo’—meaning federal courts are to conduct their own independent review of the evidence without deference to the EPA’s judgment.”

    READ THE OFFICIAL COMPLAINT

    Industry, legal, and environmental observers following the EPA’s implementation of the new TSCA law have pointed out that a lawsuit challenging the EPA’s denial of our petition would provide a test case for the agency’s interpretation that petitioners must provide a comprehensive analysis of all uses of a chemical in order to seek a restriction on a particular use. Legal experts have suggested that the EPA’s interpretation essentially makes the requirements for gaining Agency action using section 21 petitions impossible to meet.

    Background Information

    On Nov 22, 2016, a coalition including FAN, Food & Water Watch, Organic Consumers Association, American Academy of Environmental Medicine, International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology, Moms Against Fluoridation, and several individual mothers, filed a petition calling on the EPA to ban the deliberate addition of fluoridating chemicals to the drinking water under provisions in the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). The full TSCA petition can be accessed here, a shorter 8-page summary here, and our press release here.

    We presented the Agency with a large body of human and animal evidence demonstrating that fluoride is a neurotoxin at levels now ingested by many U.S. children and vulnerable populations. We also presented the Agency with evidence showing that fluoride has little benefit when swallowed, and, accordingly, any risks from exposing people to fluoride chemicals in water are unnecessary. We believe that an impartial judge reviewing this evidence will agree that fluoridation poses an unreasonable risk.

    On February 27th, the EPA published their response. In their decision the EPA claimed, “The petition has not set forth a scientifically defensible basis to conclude that any persons have suffered neurotoxic harm as a result of exposure to fluoride in the U.S. through the purposeful addition of fluoridation chemicals to drinking water or otherwise from fluoride exposure in the U.S.”

    As many independent scientists now recognize, fluoride is a neurotoxin. The question, therefore, is not if fluoride damages the brain, but at what dose.

    While EPA quibbles with the methodology of some of these studies, to dismiss and ignore these studies in their entirety for methodological imperfections is exceptionally cavalier, particularly given the consistency of the findings and the razor-thin margin between the doses causing harm in these studies and the doses that millions of Americans now receive.

    EPA’s own Guidelines on Neurotoxicity Risk Assessment highlight the importance of having a robust margin between the doses of a chemical that cause neurotoxic effects and the doses that humans receive. We presented the EPA with over 180 studies showing that fluoride causes neurotoxic harm (e.g. reduced IQ), and pointed out that many of these studies found harm at levels within the range, or precariously close to, the levels millions of U.S. children now receive. Typically, this would be a cause for major concern. But, unfortunately, the EPA has consistently shied away from applying the normal rules of risk assessment to fluoride — and it has unfortunately continued that tradition with its dismissal of the Petition.

    Fortunately, the TSCA statute provides that citizens can challenge an EPA denial in federal court. For too long, EPA has let politics trump science on the fluoride issue (see examples)
    http://fluoridealert.org/researchers/epa/
    We welcome therefore having these issues considered by a federal court.

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    Exclusive: Dr. Paul Connett interview on shocking new fluoride study

    by Jon Rappoport Nov 19, 2017

    Explosive: new mainstream study concludes fluorides are lowering children’s IQ.

    The study referred to in this interview was published in Environmental Health Perspectives, in September 2017. It is titled: “Prenatal Fluoride Exposure and Cognitive Outcomes in Children at 4 and 6-12 Years of Age.” It is often referred to as the Bashash study, after its first listed author.

    The study concluded:
    “…higher prenatal fluoride exposure, in the general range of exposures reported for other general population samples of pregnant women and nonpregnant adults, was associated with lower scores on tests of cognitive function in the offspring at age 4 and 6–12 y.”
    In short, pregnant women exposed to fluorides give birth to children who later show up with lower IQ.

    I interviewed Paul Connett, PhD.

    From his CV:
    “Paul Connett is Professor Emeritus in Environmental Chemistry at St. Lawrence University in Canton, NY. For the past 30 years, Paul has put his scientific knowledge to work by helping (without fee) communities around the world understand the science of controversial issues like…fluoridation. In addition to explaining the dangers of these practices he offers details of the alternatives…[Dr. Connett is the author of] The Case Against Fluoride (Chelsea Green, 2011, co-authored with James Beck & H. Spedding Micklem).”

    “Paul has researched the literature on fluoride’s toxicity and the fluoridation debate for 17 years. He helped to found the Fluoride Action Network (FAN).”
    I found the following items from Dr. Connett’s bio fascinating:
    “In June 2001, Paul (together with Dr. William Hirzy) was invited to debate proponents of fluoridation at the annual conference of the Association for Science in the Public Interest (ASIPI) in Richmond, Virginia. The proponents refused to participate in this debate.”

    “In November 2001, Paul (together with Dr. Phyllis Mullenix) were invited by the American College of Toxicology to debate proponents, but they [the proponents of fluoridation] again refused. On both the above occasions Dr. Connett gave a presentation of the arguments against fluoridation in lieu of the debate.”

    “In March 2003, Paul was invited by the US EPA to present the opponent’s position in a one-on-one debate on fluoridation to be held at their annual Science Forum in Washington, DC, on May 6, 2003. Despite a six week effort by the organizers of this event, no scientist or official holding a pro-fluoridation position was willing to participate in this debate. In lieu of this debate, Paul provided a power-point presentation to a packed audience, which included 8 congressional aides, representatives from major environmental organizations, EPA officials and the media. The title of Paul’s talk—‘Fluoridation: The Undefendable Practice.’”
    Here is my interview with Dr. Connett:

    Q: There is a new study on the effect of fluorides on IQ. Several questions: Do you believe the study is well done? Does it deserve our attention? What conclusions does it draw?
    A: This is a very important study. You can see my reaction to it in the videotaped interview at this link on the day it was published: Fluoride Exposure in Utero Linked to Lower IQ in Kids, New Study Says.

    Taken at face value it should have been a good study. It was financed largely by the NIEHS [National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences] (part of NIH [US National Institutes of Health], which of course is pro-fluoridation). It was conducted largely by specialists in the field who have done similar studies on other neurotoxicants. None of them to my knowledge had taken a public position against water fluoridation (indeed one was known to be pro-fluoridation) so the notion of bias here was small…

    Q: What is the reaction of public health agencies to the new study?
    A: Pro-fluoridation agencies have done what they always do – attack any study that finds harm. They are all more interested in protecting the archaic practice of water fluoridation than to protect the health of our children. Extraordinary that any civil servant should think that children’s teeth are more important than their brains! The people at the top are desperately trying to protect a policy they have waxed lyrical about for 70 years. The people in the middle are taught to promote “policy” not question it and the people at the bottom simply believe what they were taught at dental or medical school and reinforced by their professional bodies. Others I think are very concerned that if they lose fluoridation it will affect the public’s trust in other public health practices – a clear example would be vaccination, a multi-billion dollar interest supported by the CDC (a big champion of fluoridation).

    Q: How have major media reacted to the new study?
    A: Apart from CNN and CTV in Canada and Newsweek there has been little coverage by the mainstream media. It was not covered by the NY Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal or any other major newspaper. That again is extraordinary for a study of this significance. Sadly, this is also typical of these outlets when it comes to the detailed science on this issue. They simply don’t want to know.

    Q: I’ve been covering the fluoride situation [fluoridating water supplies] in New Zealand (note to reader: article archive here). Last I heard, there was a move to take decision-making away from local governments and put it in the hands of federal health councils, who would determine whether to fluoridate water supplies. Can you give me an update?
    A: Yes this is a dreadful development. Thus, in addition to the health issues we now have democracy threatened in NZ. Yesterday [11/16/17], the new government re-introduced the bill [handing over fluoridating decisions to federal authorities] for a second reading. One can only hope that the coalition partners will not be bullied into going along with this. A NZ first member is strongly against this bill. I would hope that the Green Party will not be railroaded on this either. But they have been very weak so far.

    Q: I’ve been told that many years ago, you were in favor of water fluoridation. What was the turning point? What made you change your mind?
    A: To be more accurate I didn’t want to get involved. I was so busy teaching chemistry and working on waste [disposal issues] (which has taken me to 49 states and 65 other countries) that I didn’t have time for a third issue. And I certainly didn’t want a third issue in which if I got involved would get me labelled as “loony tunes.” Over the years I was approached by three different people to get involved (once in Spokane, WA; another from Ohio and a third from Ontario). I resisted them all. Then someone I couldn’t resist twisted my arm…– my wife – in 1996. When I read the literature she had amassed I was both shocked with what I learned and embarrassed that I had not got involved before. I have spent the last 21 years trying to make amends.

    —end of interview—

    Here are further comments on the new Bashash fluoride study, from the group Dr. Connett helped start, the Fluoride Action Network:
    “The loss of IQ [reported in the Bashash study] is very large. The child of a mother who was drinking 1 ppm F [fluoride] water would be predicted to have 5 to 6 IQ points lower than if the mother had drunk water with close to zero F in it.”

    “The range of F exposures in this study is likely to be very close to the range in a fluoridated area of the United States. The doses in this study are directly applicable to areas with artificial fluoridation.”

    “This study was very carefully done, by a group of researchers who have produced over 50 papers on the cognitive health of children in relationship to environmental exposures. This was funded by the NIH and was a multi-million dollar study. This was the group’s first study of fluoride, their other studies mostly dealing with lead, mercury, and other environmental neurotoxicants.”

    “The study authors are cautious in their conclusions, as is common for scientists. But the implications of this study are enormous. A single study will never prove that F lowers IQ at doses found in fluoridated areas, but this is more than a red flag. It is a cannon shot across the bow of the 80 year old practice of artificial fluoridation.”
    As I’ve been writing and saying for many years, one of the major forms of fake news is not mentioning the real news at all. Omitting it. Or downplaying it. This is the case here, with the new fluoride study.

    Mothers giving birth to children with lower IQs?

    Not a concern.

    Not a problem.

    This is the stance of major media, who shout about “other people’s fake news.”


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    28 medical studies come to the same shocking conclusion: Fluoride is linked to lower intelligence in children

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    To date, there are at least 53 known international scientific studies concluding that fluoride consumption is harmful to the development of intelligence in children, it impairs their learning and memory capacity. Children are commonly exposed to fluoride from municipal water supplies, dental treatments, environmental pollution, and in-utero.

    Municipal water fluoridation is a state-mandated pharmacological intervention that ostensibly aims to fight dental fluorosis, but this claim is highly contested, and a growing body of research indicates that water fluoridation is linked to lower IQ in children. Medication without consent is a human rights violation.

    In 2017, former EPA senior scientist, William Hirzy, PhD noted:
    "The significance of this peer reviewed risk analysis is that it indicates there may be no actual safe level of exposure to fluoride. Groups of children with lower exposures to fluoride were compared with groups having higher exposures. Those with higher exposures performed more poorly on IQ tests than those with lower exposures." ~Former EPA senior scientist, William Hirzy, PhD
    Here is a sampling of some of the shocking conclusions from these studies, as documented by The Fluoride Action Network, where a full breakdown on these studies, as well as comments about study methodologies and locations, may be found.
    "Chronic exposure to high levels of fluoride in water was observed to be associated with lower intelligence quotient." ~IQ Study #41: Nagarajappa (2013)

    "School children residing in area with higher than normal water fluoride level demonstrated more impaired development of intelligence when compared to school children residing in areas with normal and low water fluoride levels." ~IQ Study #47: Sebastian (2015)

    "[C]hildren residing in areas with higher than normal water fluoride level demonstrated more impaired development of intelligence and moderate [dental fluorosis]. Millions of children including adults around the world are affected by higher level of fluoride concentration through their drinking water and are therefore potentially at risk. It is concluded that for the benefit of the future generation, urgent attention should be paid on this substantial public health problem." ~IQ Study #50: (Das 2016)

    "[S]tudents of the study area have less IQ than students of non-contaminated area, demonstrating that consumption of F also has a major role with the intellectual development of children." ~IQ Study #49: Mondal (2016)

    "The data from this research may support the hypothesis that excess fluoride in drinking water has toxic effects on the nervous system." ~IQ Study #48: Khan (2015)

    "Fluoride in the drinking water was significantly related with the IQ of children. Along with fluoride, mother's diet during pregnancy was also found to be significantly related with IQ of children." ~IQ Study #46: Kundu (2015)

    "Results of our field study raise a concern about the safety of elevated systemic exposure to fluoride from high concentrations in the drinking water. While topical fluoride treatment confers benefits of reducing caries incidence, the systemic exposure should not be so high as to impair children's neurodevelopment especially during the highly vulnerable windows of brain development in utero and during infancy and childhood and may result in permanent brain injury." ~IQ Study #45: Choi (2015)

    "Exposures to fluorine and arsenic are deleterious to the development of intelligence and the development of growth in children" ~IQ Study #43: Bai (2014)

    "We observed reduced AChE activity in [the high fluoride area] which may be directly correlate[d] with the reduced intelligence score of the subjects." ~IQ Study #40: Singh (2013)

    "The study found that children residing in a region with a high drinking water F level had lower IQs compared to children living in a low drinking water F region (p<0.001). The differences could not be attributed to confounding educational, economic, social, cultural, and general demographic factors." ~Karimzade (2014)

    "This study indicates that exposure to fluoride is associated with reduced intelligence in children." ~IQ Study #36: Saxena (2012)

    "In conclusion, our study suggested that low levels of fluoride exposure in drinking water had negative effects on children's intelligence and dental health and confirmed the dose-response relationships between urine fluoride and IQ scores as well as dental fluorosis." ~IQ Study #35: Ding (2011)

    "Based on the findings, chronic exposure to high levels of fluoride can be one of the factors that influence intellectual development." ~IQ Study #34: Poureslami (2011)

    "Previous studies had indicated toward decreased Intelligence in children exposed to high levels of fluoride and our study also confirmed such an effect." ~IQ Study #32: Shivaprakash (2011)

    "Findings of this study suggest that overall IQ levels in children's exposed to high fluoride level were significantly lower than the low fluoride areas." ~IQ Study #31: Sudhir (2009)

    "High exposure to fluoride most definitely has an adverse effect on the development of intelligence in children, in particular on the capability of abstract inference." ~IQ Study #30: Li (2009)

    "This study indicates that exposure to fluoride in drinking water is associated with neurotoxic effects in children." ~IQ Study #28: Wang (2007)

    "In agreement with other studies elsewhere, these findings indicate that children drinking high F water are at risk for impaired development of intelligence." ~IQ Study #27: Trivedi (2007)

    "Exposure to high levels of fluoride is likely to cause a certain level of harm to a child's level of intelligence." ~IQ Study #26: Fan (2007)

    "Based on the findings of this study, exposure of children to high levels of fluoride may carry the risk of impaired development of intelligence." ~IQ Study #25: Seraj (2006)

    "High fluoride burden has a definite effect on the intellectual and physical development of children." ~IQ Study #24: Wang (2005)

    "The findings of this study thus replicate those of earlier studies and suggest that a real relationship exists between fluoride exposure and intelligence." ~IQ Study #18: Lu (2000)

    "These results show that water improvement and defluoridation can improve the mental and physical development of children in a fluorosis area." ~IQ Study #16: Yao (1997)
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    Despite all this evidence, West Cumbria’s beautiful water is STILL being fluoridated, in fact, the machinery to facilitate this that was broken at Corn How water treatment plant has now been replaced so we can still be the local ‘guinea-pigs’ of fluoridation: notable local changes include obesity, lower IQ, this area is being deliberately trashed, and now introducing toxic borehole water which includes heavy metal mine wastage in areas near nuclear waste disposal facility. - they need the purer water, it beggars belief.
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    As a matter of interest: in Ecuador, and I believe in many other South American countries, fluoride is not added to the water, but to the SALT.

    That's because many rural communities have their own water supply, straight from the mountain or river. But everyone needs salt. So they get it into the population that way.

    In the packaging, they're proud that it's fluoridated. (Fluorada = Fluoridated. Yodada = Iodized.) The citizens think this is a wonderful modern health benefit that's being gifted to them.

    (I do have a source of pure salt here, so it IS easily possible to escape it. But the locals just don't know that. It's a sad and interesting commentary on our times.)


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    Earlier, I found this site, being curious about my own fluoride intake because of this thread. It is a United States only resource, about each state and town's water supply. You can check which city's water supply has fluoride, how much and what year they began fluoridating the water. It's all factual.

    The link says Louisiana, but you can check any state in the U.S. What's interesting is I noticed New Orleans didn't become fluoridated until 1974, after my parents divorced and we moved across the lake to the Northshore, where there was no fluoridation the whole time I was growing up. We had natural artesian well water.

    We still have well water where I live now.

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    There is an Hispanic movement in the US aimed at educating Hispanics about what a poisonous substance fluoride is. It will be great if their influence is spreading to other countries.

    See: http://fluoridealert.org/articles/lulac01/
    "INFLUENTIAL NATIONAL HISPANIC CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION VOTES TO OPPOSE WATER FLUORIDATION

    Ellijay, GA – In an action with far-reaching national ramifications, the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), the oldest Hispanic civil rights organization in the United States, has adopted a resolution opposing the practice of water fluoridation.

    The resolution was passed at the 2011 LULAC national convention in Cincinnati.

    The news adds Hispanic leaders to a growing list of groups and prominent individuals now speaking out against the controversial practice of fluoridation, including former Atlanta mayor and U.N. ambassador Andrew Young, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s daughter and niece Dr. Bernice A. King and Dr. Alveda King, Coalition of African American Pastors President Rev. William Owens, and civil rights leader and minister Dr. Gerald Durley.

    “The Hispanic community is no longer going to be silent on this issue,” says Henry Rodriguez, LULAC’s Texas civil rights chairman. “This is about forcing us to be medicated through our drinking water without our consent or full disclosure of the risks.”

    “Fluoridation is a civil rights violation,” he says. “Opposition to fluoridation is going to continue building and there is no stopping it. There are millions of Hispanics and other minorities in the U.S. who don’t have the funds to avoid fluoridated water for making their babies’ milk formula. And millions of families don’t know they’re being medicated in their drinking water, or about possible risks for kidney patients and diabetics.”

    Human rights advocate Dr. Bernice A. King states, “Water fluoridation needs to end. It is good that organizations are lending their support to help push this outdated and harmful practice of fluoridation toward collapse. This is wonderful news.”

    Babies, diabetics, kidney patients, and other groups are listed by the National Research Council as susceptible groups especially vulnerable to harm from ingested fluorides.

    Water utilities add fluoride chemicals to drinking water to help prevent cavities. They are the only chemicals specifically added to treat or prevent a health condition in the body, rather than to treat the water itself.

    “Fluorides are listed in the ‘Drug Facts’ information on boxes of fluoridated toothpaste sold to help prevent cavities,” says Daniel G. Stockin of The Lillie Center Inc., a firm working to end water fluoridation. “But water utilities haven’t been acknowledging fluorides as a medication when they are added to drinking water for the same purpose.”

    The Gerber company now sells an unfluoridated bottled water so parents of young babies can avoid using fluoridated water when mixing milk formula. Major toothpaste manufacturers are also now selling unfluoridated toothpaste for toddlers marked “Fluoride-free. Safe if swallowed.”

    After decades of water fluoridation, data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control indicates that Hispanics have significantly higher levels of untreated cavities than whites, and that Hispanics have disproportionate amounts of “fluorosis” stains disfiguring their teeth.

    “Fluoridation certainly hasn’t been very effective at preventing cavities in Hispanics,” states Stockin. “Oral health education and access to dental care for disadvantaged families, this is what Hispanic families need.”

    The LULAC resolution notes the National Research Council’s 2006 acknowledgement of large gaps in research on fluoride’s effects on the body, and that these gaps contradict assurances made by public health officials that fluorides and fluoridation have been exhaustively researched.

    The resolution also demands to know why health agencies are “more protective of the public policy of fluoridation than they are of public health.”

    “Watch what develops now as members of the Hispanic legal community are awakening to this issue,” Stockin says. “This issue of disproportionate fluoride harm to minorities is gaining attention because it is real and we have science supporting it. The train has left the station. Fluoridation is ending. You can look for a quickening cascade of cities, water utilities, health officials and others distancing themselves from fluoridation.” "

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    As a matter of interest: in Ecuador, and I believe in many other South American countries, fluoride is not added to the water, but to the SALT.
    (Actually what is being used primarily now is not natural fluoride at all, but a very toxic byproduct of industry called hydrofluosilicic acid.) See:https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...2013-04-22.pdf
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    Could it be more obvious, there is a "hidden" agenda to slowly destroy us.
    When we follow the line of politicians from local to State to Federal we can see that there is a higher
    force dictating what "they" the politicians have to do, or else.
    Are they reptilian, tptb, or what?
    We need to know and do something about the problem.

    What can be done when we are up against a force greater than us?
    That is the question.
    We need to count our assets. We have physical, Spiritual and our ingenuity. But mostly we can not give up, ever...............
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    Quote Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
    Earlier, I found this site, being curious about my own fluoride intake because of this thread. It is a United States only resource, about each state and town's water supply. You can check which city's water supply has fluoride, how much and what year they began fluoridating the water. It's all factual.

    The link says Louisiana, but you can check any state in the U.S. What's interesting is I noticed New Orleans didn't become fluoridated until 1974, after my parents divorced and we moved across the lake to the Northshore, where there was no fluoridation the whole time I was growing up. We had natural artesian well water.

    We still have well water where I live now.

    http://fluoridealert.org/researchers/states/louisiana/
    I checked out the website that you recommended and it is so informative. I am happy to say that my town has rejected fluoride in our water system. I live in Washington state, and so many feel it is really progressive but they sure have a lot of work to do with Fluoride in the water systems.

    I have learned a lot from this thread and the really creepy part is that fluoride is hiding in so many foods and even cooking utensils. One more reason why eating foods that have not been processed is beneficial. There is a definite agenda to dumb us down.

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    The link below may shock some, It did me when I found out this practice goes on in real life. It is a treatment called fluoride tooth varnishing and is aimed at children in the UK as well as other locations around the world. Very chilling, came out in a cold sweat when I found out this is happening.

    https://www.healthychildren.org/Engl...d-to-Know.aspx

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    Quote Posted by Verdilac (here)
    The link below may shock some, It did me when I found out this practice goes on in real life. It is a treatment called fluoride tooth varnishing and is aimed at children in the UK as well as other locations around the world. Very chilling, came out in a cold sweat when I found out this is happening.

    https://www.healthychildren.org/Engl...d-to-Know.aspx

    tell me about this.

    When Mini-Flash (a non active member here) was small, she would go to the dentist regularly, he would offer the fluoride at the end of clean up and i would refuse. I had put in her file to not give any fluoride treatment.

    I was having her on a biological diet plus treatments to enhance here body biology/chemistry to its maximum, to give her a chance for her nervous system to regenerate. And fluoride is harming the nervous system, undoing what I was doing.

    When she got to be about 13, she went alone to the dentist, 3 times. Then I realized that a treatment was billed on my credit card for those 3 times. I checked out and it was the fluoride treatment. I was so angry, went there had me refunded and said no more treatment. This guy teaches at university, how bad!!.

    Well, when she got to be 16, at which age they can legally chose medical treatment, the dentist intimidated her, laughing at her, because she was refusing fluoride. She came back home crying. To this day, she still has perfect teeth without any fluoride (Montreal water is not fluoridated).

    I finally changed dentist for a natural / health conscious one, more expensive but worth the price.

    To this day, I am still angry - I had told this bad dentist's colleague that fluoride is dangerous and more so for children with neurological developmental impairment. But this bad dentist would not hear parents and would forego parents order.
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    To this day, I am still angry - I had told this bad dentist's colleague that fluoride is dangerous and more so for children with neurological developmental impairment. But this bad dentist would not hear parents and would forego parents order.
    Thanks, and that's a very instructive story. Kind of scary, too. A parallel, as of course you know, is the bullying of new mothers — really close to intimidation — to inject their babies with everything that one might think of, really soon after birth.

    Not related to fluoride, but 20 years ago I had a molar root canal problem. The dentist I want to (in Edinburgh, Scotland), lent me her own book about the work of Dr Weston Price to read overnight, and then invited me to make my own decision. (I asked her to please take the tooth out!)

    That dentist was enlightened. We need tens of thousands more like that.

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    Not just after birth, but invitro, as well, when the child is even more vulnerable.
    "A parallel, as of course you know, is the bullying of new mothers — really close to intimidation — to inject their babies with everything that one might think of, really soon after birth."
    When I was still in my 20s , I had a dentist who foresaw lots of root canals and other painful and ultimately toxic procedures in my future, since I was already under so much stress due to a serious disability and was grinding my teeth at night.
    He actually recommended that I have my teeth pulled right then and get dentures, which would have saved me so much pain and expense later on.
    And he wasn't offering because he thought I was a lucrative prospect.
    Not wise enough then to concede, I wish now I had listened!
    It truly was inevitable that I would have to get dentures, but it just prolonged the agony not getting it done early on. and was much more painful that way in the long run.

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    To this day, I am still angry - I had told this bad dentist's colleague that fluoride is dangerous and more so for children with neurological developmental impairment. But this bad dentist would not hear parents and would forego parents order.
    Thanks, and that's a very instructive story. Kind of scary, too. A parallel, as of course you know, is the bullying of new mothers — really close to intimidation — to inject their babies with everything that one might think of, really soon after birth.

    Not related to fluoride, but 20 years ago I had a molar root canal problem. The dentist I want to (in Edinburgh, Scotland), lent me her own book about the work of Dr Weston Price to read overnight, and then invited me to make my own decision. (I asked her to please take the tooth out!)

    That dentist was enlightened. We need tens of thousands more like that.
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    Fluoride attaches to the iodine receptors of the thyroid.
    (after a dentist appointment they put a lot of fluoride on my teeth - not knowing what it was I swallowed most of it - they told me not to drink anything for an hour. and forgot to tell me to spit it out.)

    I went into being hypothyroid - felt exhausted, cold all the time. started gaining weight. felt awful.

    Then I found Dr. Brownsteins iodine book. Iodine is needed by the body. Fluoride not.
    I started on the iodine protocol. Detox was heavy the first days.
    But it flushed out my fluoride and bromide deposits quickly.

    My energy is back. I feel great. My cycts (breast/ovary) are gone!
    And I am dreaming a lot (so my pineal gland seems to have been freed es well)

    You can find tons of testimonials on iodine (lugols) on amazon.
    Cheap and poweful!

    Greetings

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