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    Prime Minister David Cameron is nothing but a sleekit wee man! Gang scootlund! kin th' force be wi' ye!
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    Good luck to all our Scottish brothers and sisters today as they cast their votes!


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    Quote Posted by Roisin (here)
    Prime Minister David Cameron is nothing but a sleekit wee man! Gang scootlund! kin th' force be wi' ye!
    Aye lassie a (heid-the-baw) is he, aw and a reeeeight (minger) to boot...

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    I'm from 100% Celtic stock, Scottish and Irish, but born in England and living in Canada. I'll weigh in to say that i support a Yes vote with, i'm sure, the blessing of my ancestry.

    My hope is, however, that the focus and result should be one of positive independence and not the chaos that was so heartbreaking in Ireland's struggles with independence and Quebec's economic chaos as a result of years of separatist acrimony. Should Australia separate? Should Canada? NZ? Hong Kong seems to be doing ok.
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    Tell us how it looks like when you get back Stan!!! Eager to hear about the poll!!!

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    Prime Minister David Cameron is nothing but a sleekit wee man! Gang scootlund! kin th' force be wi' ye!
    Aye lassie a (heid-the-baw) is he, aw and a reeeeight (minger) to boot...
    Richt yer laddie! ... 'n' he's an' a' a sniveling reptoid fae heid tae toe wha deserves tae be locked up in a padded cell somewhere wi' th' key thrown oot tae!
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    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    Quote Posted by aranuk (here)
    Quote Posted by Snowflower (here)
    It all depends on what kind of voting machines will be used. If they are computerized, then the vote is already done and Scotland will remain under the yoke of the royal psychopaths. If it is done with paper ballots, then it depends on who is counting the votes, and what kind of checks are in place.
    Hi Snowflower, as far as I know there are paper ballots and a pencil on a string. There are officials counting the ballot papers. No electronic machines for counting.
    After I have a shower I am off to make my vote.



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    Is it a (Yes) or (No) Vote Stan..???

    Either guess or read my posts above Jacko my old spud. Na a will save ye the time, it is an emphatic AYE, och aye the noo!

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    Quote Posted by indigopete (here)
    Quote Posted by aranuk (here)
    Hi Pete, are you Scottish by any chance?
    Hi Stan

    Yes indeed Good to read your observations on everything. I was thinking we probably were a few points short of freedom tonight, but Andy Murray's just popped his head above the parapet and that might just swing a few people. (Give me Andy Murray over Gordon Brown any day ).

    Good luck to you & yours !!
    So Andy Murray has done a U turn. Good news indeed.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...e-lets-do-this

    Poor guy is now being threatened by Westmonster trolls on twitter.

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    This thread suggests to me that Scots ought to replace English as the international language. Mind, it's going to sound like Volapuk for a while until everyone gets the hang of it


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    Aye, I ken scottish fine(ish), I wouldna mind it spoken here.

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    Quote Posted by Star Tsar (here)
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    I'm going to start a separate 'Thread' on this...

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    This thread suggests to me that Scots ought to replace English as the international language. Mind, it's going to sound like Volapuk for a while until everyone gets the hang of it
    Araucaria what on earth are you saying here? It sounds to me like a load of ****. I do not understand a single thing you are saying? You usually have an intelligent thing to say. So please excuse me if I have misunderstood your gobbledegook.


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    Unfortunately or Fortunately the Nays have it...

    SCOTLAND has rejected independence, with 23 out of 32 voting areas declared, despite the crucial Glasgow region having given its result - a resounding Yes.

    The No ballots in favour of Scotland staying in the United Kingdom are in the lead by at 54.33 percent to 45.67 percent.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...66028d1ce77afd

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    Its not looking good at the moment.
    54% have voted no with only a few areas results to come in.
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    It is now 5.47 and almost all the results are in and it looks like the Elite and their AI super computers had it all under control before the voting started. Well at least that's what I I think.
    It would seem it is bad news for the rest of the world. How can we ever get a say in how our country is run when these bastard Elitist bastards have the technology to predict elections or referendums? The Scottish people who are NOT brainwashed are unfortunately outnumbered by the brainwashed majority. At least it was a small majority which is a credit to the awake Scottish people. I doubt there is the same percentage in USA or in England. Or anywhere. No I think Spain perhaps has a more awake and aware population. Maybe Greece too, or France and Italy.

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    Aranuk, I was merely responding to the attempts of posters from thousands of miles from Scotland to write in a Scottish brand of their usual English, - maybe some of my neurons misfired, never mind. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.

    That seems to be the order of the day with this No vote. Independence was a big decision to make, possibly too big for many who presumably took the 'Devo max' offer (which I take it means maximum devolution) at face value. But watch out for the backlash, from ordinary people in England as well. This seems to have been an acrimonious affiar, and things that were said will not be forgotten. We already had signs yesterday that the government will be dragging its feet. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9741966.html
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    I was personally split 50/50 to whether I wanted the Scots to leave. My heart
    said go for it, but my head said we needed the social conscious of Scotland
    to help change the whole of UK politics beginning in Westminster and the
    monarchy.......






    Scottish referendum: How will the result be decided? BBC News
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    Published on 18 Sep 2014
    The BBC's Jeremy Vine explains how the votes will be counted int he Scottish
    independence referendum.


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    Scottish referendum: Scotland votes 'no' to independence



    Published on 19 Sep 2014


    Scotland has voted 'no' in the independence referendum and will stay a part of the
    United Kingdom. . Report by Mark Morris.


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    Scotland votes 'no': Salmond accepts defeat



    Published on 18 Sep 2014

    Scottish voters have rejected independence, deciding to remain part of the United
    Kingdom after a historic referendum that shook the country to its core. Scots voted
    55 percent to 45 percent against independence.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Scotland votes 'no' to independence in historic referendum



    Published on 18 Sep 2014


    Scotland voters have opted to continue as part of the United Kingdom in a historic
    referendum vote. Our Nahlah Ayed reports from Edinburgh.





    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------








    19 September 2014 Last updated at 08:21

    Scottish referendum: Scotland votes 'No' to independenceComments


    Short vid on link......http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

    Scotland has voted to stay in the United Kingdom after voters decisively rejected
    independence.

    With the results in from all 32 council areas, the "No" side polled 2,001,926, votes
    to 1,617,989 for "Yes".

    Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond called for unity and urged the unionist
    parties to deliver on more powers.

    UK Prime Minister David Cameron said he was delighted the UK would remain
    together and said the commitments on extra powers would be honoured.

    Mr Cameron said the three main unionist parties at Westminster would now follow
    through with their pledge to deliver more powers to the Scottish Parliament.

    "We will ensure that those commitments are honoured in full," he said.

    He announced that Lord Smith of Kelvin, who led Glasgow's staging of the
    Commonwealth Games, would oversee the process to take forward the
    commitments, with new powers over tax, spending and welfare to be agreed by
    November, and draft legislation published by January.

    The prime minister also acknowledged that the people of England, Wales and
    Northern Ireland must have a bigger say over their affairs.

    And he promised a resolution to the West Lothian question - the fact that Scottish
    MPs can vote on English issues at Westminster.

    "In Wales there are proposals to give the Welsh Government and Assembly more
    powers and I want Wales to be at the heart of the debate on how to make the
    United Kingdom work for all our nations," he said.

    In other developments:

    The pound hit a two-year high against the euro and a two-week high against the
    US dollar, as Scotland voted against independence.
    Royal Bank of Scotland said it would keep its headquarters in Scotland following
    the "No" vote.

    Scotland rejected independence by 55% to 45%. For latest results and full
    coverage, go to bbc.co.uk/scotland-decides.
    The result became a mathematical certainty at 06:08, as the returning officer in
    Fife announced a comfortable No vote.

    Shortly afterwards, Mr Salmond said he accepted the defeat and called for national unity.

    He said the referendum and the high turnout had been a "triumph for the
    democratic process" and promised to keep his pledge in the Edinburgh Agreement
    which paved the way for the referendum to respect the result and work for the
    benefit of Scotland and the United Kingdom.

    Short Vid on link.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

    The moment the No side won an unassailable lead over the Yes camp

    He told supporters: "The unionist parties made vows late in the campaign to
    devolve more powers to Scotland.

    "Scotland will expect these to be honoured in rapid course - as a reminder, we have
    been promised a second reading of a Scotland Bill by March 27 next year.

    "Not just the 1.6 million Scots who voted for independence will demand that
    timetable is followed but all Scots who participated in this referendum will demand
    that timetable is followed."

    Mr Salmond said he would shortly speak to the Prime Minister on the results.

    But he highlighted the "empowerment" of first-time voters, including 16 and 17-year-olds.

    And the First Minister said: "Whatever else we can say about this referendum
    campaign, we have touched sections of the community who have never before been
    touched by politics, these sections of the community have touched us and touched
    the political process.

    Short Vid on link......http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

    Alex Salmond: "I call on all of Scotland to follow suit in accepting the democratic
    verdict of the people of Scotland"

    "I don't think that will ever be allowed to go back to business as usual in politics again."

    In a rallying call to his supporters, Mr Salmond urged the Yes voters to reflect on
    how far they had come.

    "I don't think any of us, whenever we entered politics, would have thought such a
    thing to be either credible or possible," he said.

    "Over the last few weeks we have seen a scare and a fear of enormous proportions
    - not a scaremongering directed at the Scottish people but the scare and the fear at
    the heart of the Westminster establishment as they realise the mass movement of
    people that was going forward in Scotland.

    "Today of all days as we bring Scotland together, let us not dwell on the distance
    we have fallen short, let us dwell on the distance we have travelled and have
    confidence the movement is abroad in Scotland that will take this nation forward
    and we shall go forward as one nation."

    This margin of victory for the Better Together campaign - 55% to 45% - was
    greater by about 3% than that anticipated by the final opinion polls. The winning
    total needed was 1,852,828.

    Speaking in Downing Street, Mr Cameron said the result was decisive.

    He said: "Now the debate has been settled for a generation, or as Alex Salmond
    has said: 'Perhaps for a lifetime'.

    "So their can be no disputes, no re-runs; we have heard the will of the Scottish people."


    Short Vid on link.....

    David Cameron: ''Like millions of other people, I am delighted''

    The prime minister also spoke of the implications for the other nations of the UK.

    "In Wales there are proposals to give the Welsh Government and Assembly more
    powers and I want Wales to be at the heart of the debate on how to make the
    United Kingdom work for all our nations," he said.

    "In Northern Ireland, we must work to ensure that the devolved institutions function effectively."

    'English voices'

    Mr Cameron said "millions of voices of England must also be heard".

    "The question of English votes for English laws, the so-called West Lothian
    question, requires a decisive answer so just as Scotland will vote separately in the
    Scottish Parliament on their issues on tax, spending and welfare, so too England as
    well as Wales and Northern Ireland should be able to vote on these issues.

    "And all this must take place in tandem with and at the same pace as the
    settlement for Scotland."

    Mr Cameron said the referendum had "stirred strong passions", "electrified politics
    in Scotland and caught the imagination of people across the whole of our United Kingdom".



    Results graphic
    Scottish referendum results in detail

    He concluded: "It will be remembered as a powerful demonstration of the strength
    and vitality of our ancient democracy."

    Alistair Darling, who led the Better Together campaign, said the people of Scotland
    had "chosen unity over division and positive change rather than needless separation".

    "It is a momentous result for Scotland and also for the United Kingdom as a whole," he said.

    Mr Darling said the result had "reaffirmed all that we have in common and the
    bonds that tie us together", adding: "Let them never be broken."

    He also acknowledged that the campaign had highlighted the need for change.

    No supporters celebrate
    "As we celebrate, let us also listen," he said.




    "More than 85% of the Scottish population has voted. People who were disengaged
    from politics have turned out in large numbers.

    "While they have voted on the constitution, that was not the only or perhaps the
    major issue that drove them to the polls.

    "Every political party must listen to their cry for change, which could be echoed in
    every part of our United Kingdom but had this opportunity to express itself in Scotland."

    Mr Darling thanked his "great team of volunteers" who had worked on the Better
    Together campaign.

    'Real disappointment'

    He added: "You represent the majority of opinion. Your voices have been heard. We
    have taken on the argument and won. The silent have spoken."

    Mr Salmond's deputy, Nicola Sturgeon, said in an earlier concession statement that
    there was a "real sense of disappointment that we have fallen narrowly short of
    securing a 'Yes' vote".

    But she said the country had been "changed forever" and vowed to work
    with "anyone in any way" to secure more powers for Scotland.

    The vote was the culmination of a two-year campaign. Talks will now begin on
    devolving more powers to Scotland.

    Glasgow, Scotland's largest council area and the third largest city in Britain, voted
    in favour of independence by 194,779 to 169,347, with Dundee, West
    Dunbartonshire and North Lanarkshire also voting "Yes".

    But Edinburgh, the nation's capital, rejected independence by 194,638 to 123,927,
    while Aberdeen City voted "No" by a margin of more than 20,000 votes.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441
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    Check this out:
    Quote Posted by ktlight (here)


    "Published on 18 Sep 2014
    http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
    There is damning evidence that shows that this vote is a fraud. Just from the video and the pictures alone, we can see errors! Can you imagine how much is wrong? This is the Best Video proof you will also ever get showing the votes were changed to NO on purpose!"
    See also:
    http://aanirfan.blogspot.fr/2014/09/...eferendum.html
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    Articles from David Ickes site this morning.....


    Vote Fraud in Scottish referendum

    new Friday 19th September 2014 at 09:02 By david-icke





    ‘In Dundee, a strong YES area, the count was suspended twice due to fire alarms.

    The turnout in the strong YES area of Dundee was 78.8%, which is lower than the 85% turnout in Scotland as a whole

    In Dundee, ‘Yes’ ballot papers were spotted on a ‘No’ table.’

    Read more: Vote Fraud in Scottish referendum


    Does This Video Show Vote Rigging In The Scottish Independence Vote?

    new Friday 19th September 2014 at 08:55 By david-icke





    http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/...eferendum.html

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    Scottish referendum: Police investigate electoral fraud probe in Glasgow

    new Friday 19th September 2014 at 08:54 By david-icke




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    Scottish referendum: Police investigate electoral fraud probe in Glasgow

    THE Scottish referendum count was brought into controversy after reports of 10
    cases of electoral fraud in Glasgow emerged.






    ‘Police at the Emirates Stadium in the Scottish city said they were investigating
    possible cases of double vote impersonation where people pretend to be someone
    else, cast a vote and then the real person later turns up to vote again.

    Colin Edgar, spokesman for the Counting Officer, said: “What appears to have
    happened is somebody has arrived at the polling station and given their name and
    asked to vote.

    “The polling clerk has gone to cross off their name and it appears that they have
    already voted, so what we did was contact the police straight away.’

    Read more: Scottish referendum: Police investigate electoral fraud probe in Glasgow

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/512...-probe-Glasgow
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