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    Apparently, the world is going to end on December 21st, 2012. Yes, you read correctly, in some way, shape or form, the Earth (or at least a large portion of humans on the planet) will cease to exist. Stop planning your careers, don’t bother buying a house, and be sure to spend the last years of your life doing something you always wanted to do but never had the time. Now you have the time, to enjoy yourselves before the end.
    So what is all this crazy talk? We’ve all heard these doomsday predictions before, we’re still here, and the planet is still here, why is 2012 so important? Well, the Mayan calendar stops at the end of the year 2012, churning up all sorts of religious, scientific, astrological and historic reasons why this calendar foretells the end of life as we know it. The Mayan Prophecy is gaining strength and appears to be worrying people in all areas of society. Forget Nostradamus, forget the Y2K bug, forget the credit crunch, this event is predicted to be huge and many wholeheartedly believe this is going to happen for real. Planet X could even be making a comeback.

    For all those 2012 Mayan Prophecy believers out there, I have bad news. There is going to be no doomsday event in 2012, and here’s why.


    The Mayan Calendar
    So what is the Mayan Calendar? The calendar was constructed by an advanced civilization called the Mayans around 250-900 AD. Evidence for the Maya empire stretches around most parts of the southern states of Mexico and reaches down to the current geological locations of Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador and some of Honduras. The people living in Mayan society exhibited very advanced written skills and had an amazing ability when constructing cities and urban planning. The Mayans are probably most famous for their pyramids and other intricate and grand buildings. The people of Maya had a huge impact on Central American culture, not just within their civilization, but with other indigenous populations in the region. Significant numbers of Mayans still live today, continuing their age-old traditions.
    The Mayans used many different calendars and viewed time as a meshing of spiritual cycles. While the calendars had practical uses, such as social, agricultural, commercial and administrative tasks, there was a very heavy religious element. Each day had a patron spirit, signifying that each day had specific use. This contrasts greatly with our modern Gregorian calendar which primarily sets the administrative, social and economic dates.


    Most of the Mayan calendars were short. The Tzolk’in calendar lasted for 260 days and the Haab’ approximated the solar year of 365 days. The Mayans then combined both the Tzolk’in and the Haab’ to form the “Calendar Round”, a cycle lasting 52 Haab’s (around 52 years, or the approximate length of a generation). Within the Calendar Round were the trecena (13 day cycle) and the veintena (20 day cycle). Obviously, this system would only be of use when considering the 18,980 unique days over the course of 52 years. In addition to these systems, the Mayans also had the “Venus Cycle”. Being keen and highly accurate astronomers they formed a calendar based on the location of Venus in the night sky. It’s also possible they did the same with the other planets in the Solar System.
    Using the Calendar Round is great if you simply wanted to remember the date of your birthday or significant religious periods, but what about recording history? There was no way to record a date older than 52 years.
    The end of the Long Count = the end of the Earth?
    The Mayans had a solution. Using an innovative method, they were able to expand on the 52 year Calendar Round. Up to this point, the Mayan Calendar may have sounded a little archaic – after all, it was possibly based on religious belief, the menstrual cycle, mathematical calculations using the numbers 13 and 20 as the base units and a heavy mix of astrological myth. The only principal correlation with the modern calendar is the Haab’ that recognised there were 365 days in one solar year (it’s not clear whether the Mayans accounted for leap years). The answer to a longer calendar could be found in the “Long Count”, a calendar lasting 5126 years.
    I’m personally very impressed with this dating system. For starters, it is numerically predictable and it can accurately pinpoint historical dates. However, it depends on a base unit of 20 (where modern calendars use a base unit of 10). So how does this work?

    The base year for the Mayan Long Count starts at “0.0.0.0.0″. Each zero goes from 0-19 and each represent a tally of Mayan days. So, for example, the first day in the Long Count is denoted as 0.0.0.0.1. On the 19th day we’ll have 0.0.0.0.19, on the 20th day it goes up one level and we’ll have 0.0.0.1.0. This count continues until 0.0.1.0.0 (about one year), 0.1.0.0.0 (about 20 years) and 1.0.0.0.0 (about 400 years). Therefore, if I pick an arbitrary date of 2.10.12.7.1, this represents the Mayan date of approximately 1012 years, 7 months and 1 day.
    This is all very interesting, but what has this got to do with the end of the world? The Mayan Prophecy is wholly based on the assumption that something bad is going to happen when the Mayan Long Count calendar runs out. Experts are divided as to when the Long Count ends, but as the Maya used the numbers of 13 and 20 at the root of their numerical systems, the last day could occur on 13.0.0.0.0. When does this happen? Well, 13.0.0.0.0 represents 5126 years and the Long Count started on 0.0.0.0.0, which corresponds to the modern date of August 11th 3114 BC. Have you seen the problem yet? The Mayan Long Count ends 5126 years later on December 21st, 2012.
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    When something ends (even something as innocent as an ancient calendar), people seem to think up the most extreme possibilities for the end of civilization as we know it. A brief scan of the internet will pull up the most popular to some very weird ways that we will, with little logical thought, be wiped off the face of the planet. Archaeologists and mythologists on the other hand believe that the Mayans predicted an age of enlightenment when 13.0.0.0.0 comes around; there isn’t actually much evidence to suggest doomsday will strike. If anything, the Mayans predict a religious miracle, not anything sinister.
    Myths are abound and seem to be fuelling movie storylines. like the Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is even based around the Mayan myth that 13 crystal skulls can save humanity from certain doom. This myth says that if the 13 ancient skulls are not brought together at the right time, the Earth will be knocked off its axis. This might be a great plotline for blockbuster movies, but it also highlights the hype that can be stirred, lighting up religious, scientific and not-so-scientific ideas that the world is doomed.

    Some of the most popular space-based threats to the Earth and mankind focus on Planet X wiping most life off the planet, meteorite impacts, black holes, killer solar flares, Gamma Ray Bursts from star systems, a rapid ice age and a polar (magnetic) shift. There is so much evidence against these things happening in 2012, it’s shocking just how much of a following they have generated. Each of the above “threats” needs their own devoted article as to why there is no hard evidence to support the hype.
    But the fact remains, the Mayan Doomsday Prophecy is purely based on a calendar which we believe hasn’t been designed to calculate dates beyond 2012. Mayan archaeo-astronomers are even in debate as to whether the Long Count is designed to be reset to 0.0.0.0.0 after 13.0.0.0.0, or whether the calendar simply continues to 20.0.0.0.0 (approximately 8000 AD) and then reset.
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    Default Re: No Doomsday in 2012

    Quote Posted by The One (here)
    Apparently, the world is going to end on December 21st, 2012. Yes, you read correctly, in some way, shape or form, the Earth (or at least a large portion of humans on the planet) will cease to exist. Stop planning your careers, don’t bother buying a house, and be sure to spend the last years of your life doing something you always wanted to do but never had the time. Now you have the time, to enjoy yourselves before the end.
    [snip...]
    There is going to be no doomsday event in 2012, and here’s why.
    [excellent statement of what the Mayans actually left us with...]
    I for one cannot wait until 1 January, 2013: because that's when we'll all be able to get focused on what's REALLY happening. (And it will all probably be fairly obvious by then.)

    '2012', 'Ascension', being rescued by the 'Galactic Federation of Light' (or anyone else) - are 100% certainly well-engineered distractions. You have no idea how much the insiders laugh at people who take this nonsense seriously.

    I mean that. Since August I've been in many hours of conversations with a very good man on the 'inside' who has made it absolutely crystal clear that these are all devices which we're collectively dumb enough to fall for. We're all jerked around like puppets - all the time.

    They play games, which are never-ending. I was told, clearly and strongly: "They're f***ing with you, Bill." (Referring to the way that merry rings are run around the New Age movement, and have been for a long while.)

    The real story is far, far darker. There is hope - but only if we wise up and separate out the reality from the fiction.

    The technology they have to mess with our minds and beliefs is more effective than we ever would want to believe.

    My thanks to The One for laying out so clearly what the Mayans really did say.

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    Yep gets my agreement and also looking forward to the year 13
    A big new years party for that date!!!
    To much distraction it's like the net version of naffy English soap operas, x factor and such like, deigned to keep folk from living and asleep.
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    I've never bothered with the whole 2012 thing, except to note that it is apparently an interesting date in astronomical alignments and that it may have some effects in and around that time period. Even the flash of a solar flare takes 3 days to take shape,and this involves the solar system, the planets and the galaxy. Even if it was somehow like driving a car over a cliff, due to the sheer size and motions involved, it would take months to shape itself. So...uhhhh...theres yah goes. My opinion.
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    You know, "Doomsday" take so much focus, like, all those people just want to die, cease existence .. just merge with background noise?
    Never understood this notion.
    I do see things coming to an end, but I also see that those things only "end" to made way for new "things"
    That why 2012 was never "end" day for me.. rather a marker for starting something else.
    TEOTWAWKI, as some say, The End Of The World As We Know IT.
    Things go in circular/spherical sequences, ends and beginnings are only transition points between other realms of possibility.
    Or so I think.
    Economic comentators are more concrete though:
    Quote It’s just one of those cosmic jokes that 2012 will turn out to be the year the dollar collapses, and the larger world economies go down the tubes.
    So far so good

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    Quote Posted by morguana (here)
    Yep gets my agreement and also looking forward to the year 13
    A big new years party for that date!!!

    M

    Richards 50th bday is Dec 22. 2012...we have a BIG party planned.

    Your all invited !!

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    ALL?! where are we going to put 1,200 Avalonians? Better start planning now C

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    Default Re: No Doomsday in 2012

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    '2012', 'Ascension', being rescued by the 'Galactic Federation of Light' (or anyone else) - are 100% certainly well-engineered distractions. You have no idea how much the insiders laugh at people who take this nonsense seriously.
    Very much agreed.

    From what I've heard, things are about to get even more interesting in the near future, but certainly no "ascension" or intervening of the "Galactic Federation of Light" is set to occur. These are wonderfully clever misdirects, like many other topics floating about in the "circuit."

    It's up to us to sort this mess out. Hopefully we'll strengthen our spirituality and create a better "now" in the process.

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    I always thought that the Mayans had said that we are approching the end of a cycle...and the start of a new one.

    Not the end of the World.

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    ALL?! where are we going to put 1,200 Avalonians? Better start planning now C
    You have NO IDEA how much planning is going into this

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    I figure it is like everyone waiting for the second coming, we are always on the verge but it never happens. Even the abductees (me being included) are being shown much....but the large predictions NEVER occur.

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    Hi All,

    Anyone who says that the world will end in 2012, should just keep in mind, that all it would take is for the first 'nuke' to be fired and the world ( for many, if not all ) could end much sooner !

    Bill,

    You wrote in your post, " The real story is far, far darker. "

    Would you care to elaborate on this, will you give us all the heads up on what you mean by this ?

    Is there something that you know ( that you haven't told anyone ) that makes you feel that you can say this for certain ?

    I for one would be very interested in hearing what you know ( as many others are i'm sure ).

    Any ' new ' information that you can share would be very welcome !

    Thanks.

    Peace to you all !

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The real story is far, far darker. There is hope - but only if we wise up and separate out the reality from the fiction.

    The technology they have to mess with our minds and beliefs is more effective than we ever would want to believe.
    Hi Bill,

    I think you are absolutely right and that's why I threw all my 'built up' beliefs overboard a couple of weeks ago. I started anew and wanted to see if I ended up with the same things again.

    Well first of all, that didn't happen. But secondly I've stumbled upon some remarkable info dealing with China and Shanghai in particular.
    I am still in search of more details and need to digest it to avoid spreading the wrong information ...

    I was going over some old material again (which is refreshing knowing more context now a couple of years later) and was, amongst others, listening
    to the interview with Valery Uvarov to search for the Tunguska part and his statements about China.

    I think that the interview with Valery contains valuable information. He's talking about an event or period where individual health is very important.
    And that seems to be a very common theme, e.g. several indigenous people are mentioning it too.

    That and the fact that governments/power structures are preparing is still an indicator that something serious will happen.

    I know for a fact now that all UFO, ET news and official statements in China are a state driven agenda ... it's a distraction indeed.
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    Hi Morguana,

    Quote Posted by morguana (here)
    Yep gets my agreement and also looking forward to the year 13
    For the unsqueamish; those of modest or mirthly squeam; and triskadecaphiles ... Freddy the Thirteenth happens twice in 2013. In the Seventh Ember ... and again in the Tenth Ember (nine days prior to the first anniversary of the end of the world!). Book your tickets now!

    http://www.calendardate.com/2013.php


    Quote A big new years party for that date!!!
    To much distraction it's like the net version of naffy English soap operas, x factor and such like, deigned to keep folk from living and asleep.
    M
    Well ... Doomsmonth/Doomsday/Doomsyear [12.21.2012] - better known by its pet name, Doomsy - is oracled by the mystic Mayan mathematicians. And we're constantly reminded of that fact. Mystics. Mayans. Mathematicians. The dreaded alignment of the Ms!

    For sure, it will be the end of the world! ... at least, for some 150K of us. Many will die of old age on Doomsy's birthday. And the day after, many will die of New Age and begin to live again (as rational human units are meant to live).

    http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Abo...eath_rate.html



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    People in many ages, especially around millennium shifts, believed they were living in 'end times'............catastrophism also has been a common thread throughout recorded human history. Let's face it, if people plugged into the mainstream babble box can be caught up in the endless fake news cycle of prurient sex crimes, staged terror attacks, and the absurd antics of bollywood continually being fed to us- a very helpful tar baby to snag those who do not care for the MSM is the so-called alternative news with its continually rehashed narratives (nothing much new is ever actually revealed) of imminent invasions of star ships, odd celestial goings-on, alien abductions, distorted interpretations of the Mayan calendar and other relics of ancient cultures and a plethora of theories to account for the motives and actions of the less than 1%. "My, what big eyes ETs have!!" "Now that I have your undivided attention, all the better to eat you with" the Big Bad Wolf said. Insiders may very well laugh their butts off at those ignorant ones caught in the thrall of the carefully contrived narratives of alternative news that so often resemble Bollywood scripts, but they are no doubt very, very satisfied with the numbers of people overall caught in the thrall of their brand of Hegelian dialectics - in the MSM and now, in the alternative news as well. The game is to keep the sheeple, who after all are merely degraded slaves, spinning in one fiction or another, why - even add a few bits of truth to the mix to confound them - the whole point is to keep human beings in thrall, distract them from focusing on the identities, motives, activities and plans of the less than 1% AND ESPECIALLY THE TRUTHS ABOUT WHO AND WHAT HUMAN BEINGS ACTUALLY ARE: energetic beings of light for whom nothing is impossible IF THEY WAKE UP - most humans have been pinned down like butterflies to a collector's board by................well, we know who they are. When will human beings wake up?

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    Quote Posted by Richard (here)
    ALL?! where are we going to put 1,200 Avalonians? Better start planning now C
    Well, there is this big crater in Arizona...

    Operator;
    what kind of info on china are you looking for?
    Is This of any use?

    I have a great respect for the Chinese people, and a huge problem with the mainland government. Then again I am similarly struck by my own country, as it stands.

    Meanwhile, back on topic:


    Everyone is constantly trying to nail down a return, a departure, oblivion and other momentous things into a convenient date, they can fit into their Day-Planner. If my 58.99 years on this rock has taught me anything it is that,
    "Things like this just don't work that way."

    Things of a societal, religious, prophetic nature don't operate by a clock; they happen more as a result of a "To-Do List". The timing, and even the order is irrelevant, but when the list is completed, nothing will stop it. And just to add more confusion to this, "multi-plex that". I mean, several things on one list, may also be on another. So just when you think "IT" is about to pop, something else happens instead.

    In short, time, being an invention, is tricky stuff. Or, Heinlein put it best in "Stranger In A Strange Land",
    "When waiting is filled."

    One of the other things which has brought this home for me;
    I have had "seeings", prophetic visions, whatever-the-hell-they-ares going back to 1973. Scenes both pre- and post-apocalyptic. Things I am to see, things I am to do. While the conditions under which they happen have not yet happened, the world still appears to be on the path towards them.

    37 years later, and nothing has happened. False dreams, perhaps? Well, when I look around I still see a world where much of it could come true in moment's time, yet waiting is not filled. Certain elements remain in the fog.

    I'll admit that I have considered that all of it might be indigestion. But no, new events convince me otherwise. For the most part I do not share them. Declaring a thing, gives rise to it's appearance. I've seen that happen enough to know that's true.

    The main event which convinced me otherwise began about a year ago. It was both compelling and full of awe. Though I have never shared most of this with my daughter, when she reached about the same age as I was when this began, she began to see these same coming events.

    Details I never shared with anyone, appear in what she sees as well. Pictures, numbers, events.

    Did I talk in my sleep? No. Did I entertain her with tales, then forgot I did? No, I don't do that, either. Curiously, like so many others who experience such things, she has asked the futile question, "Why me?". Curiouser yet, she has run across one answer which surprised us both; "Ask your father."

    I can't begin to tell you how exhilarating, and uncomfortable, and even frightening that is. But it does re-enforce something I've learned; Time is irrelevant. things happen when all the supporting events are in place, not by the ticking of anyone's clock, or calendar.

    What's the best thing you could do on 12-21-2012? Figure out what to get Richard the next day.

    Here ends Fred's Friday morning ramblings.
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    Quote Posted by Operator (here)
    I was going over some old material again (which is refreshing knowing more context now a couple of years later) and was, amongst others, listening
    to the interview with Valery Uvarov to search for the Tunguska part and his statements about China.

    I think that the interview with Valery contains valuable information. He's talking about an event or period where individual health is very important.
    And that seems to be a very common theme, e.g. several indigenous people are mentioning it too.


    the Uvarov material is, in my opinion, some of the best work and most valuable info ever presented by Camelot. Well worth revisiting.
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    Quote Posted by Fredkc (here)
    Well, there is this big crater in Arizona...
    There's a big crater here too... You foiled the surprise !!

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    Quote Posted by Celine (here)
    There's a big crater here too... You foiled the surprise !!
    You Canucks... just gotta copy us, dontcha?


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    Operator;
    what kind of info on china are you looking for?
    Is This of any use?
    Fred I looked at you link ... It's interesting I will read more later ...

    That's not what I meant however. Since we can't get almost no first hand info out of China and are stuck with the MSM state propaganda
    I decided a couple of weeks ago that it might be an idea to have some of it checked by a friend who is better connected to people over there.

    His findings are amazing to say the least ... I only got a hasty fuzzy summary however ... I need to get a more detailed, balanced and extensive
    conversation with this guy. Problem is he's very busy almost 24/7. Hopefully I can meet again soon (maybe this weekend).

    Back to your link/ebook ... maybe the content is related. I will take it into the context when I am going to ask a ton of questions to this guy.

    One of the first phrases got my attention already:

    Quote ... which proposes tactics for developing countries, in particular China, to compensate for their military inferiority vis-ŕ-vis the United States during a high-tech war
    This was apparently written in 1999 ... it may not be true any longer (maybe never has been) ... place it in context of what Valery Uvarov divulged about Tunguska and we
    might get a whole different picture ... The Chinese are said to have invented gun powder first ... a long time ago.

    You don't see or hear much from them (is there any Avalonian in China ? Check the map) but they are here !
    Do you know what their believes are / world view is ?

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