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    And some transmutation of energy, for those who ... well, care to follow the black sheep ( me )

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    Quote Posted by SamwiseTheBrave (here)
    I just want to jump in here and add a quick thought.

    It makes more sense to put quotes around the word "elite," because we are giving them the recognition that they do not deserve. I agree with Mark Passio's humorous and candid way of describing the "elite" as elites of nothing more than a filthy sewer.

    And it's true, because that is what society has become, and is quickly flushing the planet down the toilet along with it.

    As for us, we are the esoteric garbage collectors. Yup, that is our job in the Truth Movement. We are the sewage management team, who must wade through the sludge of the filthy habits of ignorant humans, and recycle the grimy muck of their false perceptions of reality for pure, untainted Truth.

    It's a tough, mucky job being a Truth warrior. Make sure to carry your hazmat suits at all times.
    Hopefully the saying, "Out of s**t, grows roses", will come into play soon.

    I think If the elites are thinking of going underground or leaving planet earth, it is because they are running scared. They try to hide in the shadows of the darkness, but in truth, there is nowhere for them to hide. The veil between the seen and unseen grows ever thinner.

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    So, we 'believe'...
    in the notion of a dark elite
    in the notion of ... dark agenda
    in the notion of ETs ( I never managed to picture those )

    in the notion of ... cosmic/space travel with some sort of 'ships'
    etc.

    Do we?
    Really?

    I don't 'believe' a single one concept of all that has been spread out in the OP.
    Sorry, for raining on this thread, but somebody has to ( somehow, gently, eloquently, may be ~ ) do it.

    And neither will you, if you care to take control of your 'belief' system(s).

    May be it is time for us to stop our collective 'mediation', when all kinds of 'belief' systems have been downloaded into our (quite capable) brains/ consciousnesses, and start using all of the above mentioned in their full capacity, and in the way initially intended.

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    Quote Posted by chocolate (here)
    So, we 'believe'...
    in the notion of a dark elite
    in the notion of ... dark agenda
    in the notion of ETs ( I never managed to picture those )

    in the notion of ... cosmic/space travel with some sort of 'ships'
    etc.

    Do we?
    Really?

    I don't 'believe' a single one concept of all that has been spread out in the OP.
    Sorry, for raining on this thread, but somebody has to ( somehow, gently, eloquently, may be ~ ) do it.

    And neither will you, if you care to take control of your 'belief' system(s).

    May be it is time for us to stop our collective 'mediation', when all kinds of 'belief' systems have been downloaded into our (quite capable) brains/ consciousnesses, and start using all of the above mentioned in their full capacity, and in the way initially intended.
    Very wonderfully put. I read this thread as more of a thought experiment and a discussion rather that something we should 'believe'.. Shedding our need for 'belief systems' is inevitable, methinks... And you are exactly correct to point it out.. Thank you.

    From the point of view of someone who has had direct experience with ET's,, NOT believing in them is just another belief system. No one person has all of the pieces of the puzzle. Many times thought experiments in the form of creative discussion will actually help to dispel some of the beliefs. Though,, not always.

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    Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. Yoda....

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    Default Re: THE ULTIMATE PLAN (a fairy story... maybe)

    Quote Posted by chocolate (here)
    So, we 'believe'...
    [...]
    in the notion of ETs ( I never managed to picture those )
    [...]
    Really?
    Interesting question.

    How could we possibly be the one and only planet teaming with life in a universe composed of a minimum of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars (100 octillion). Can you imagine that?

    Statistically speaking, we simply cannot be the only ones. Somewhere, somehow, there must be other forms of life in this huge universe. So yes, I really believe in the notion of ETs.
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    Quote Interesting question.

    How could we possibly be the one and only planet teaming with life in a universe composed of a minimum of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars (100 octillion). Can you imagine that?

    Statistically speaking, we simply cannot be the only ones. Somewhere, somehow, there must be other forms of life in this huge universe. So yes, I really believe in the notion of ETs.

    I don't think we are alone and never have been , and disclosure has been
    happening over the last 70 years at least if not more thru fiction and movies as well
    as TV and now the web. Although not official its all but as far as I can see....

    I just had a quick look in my archive and theres many more threads by other
    Avalonians, and researchers .Here a few that tell me we are not alone from recent
    reports...

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    Astronomers discover most Earth-like planet 26/6/14.....only a few weeks after the last one !!

    Many on here already think the universe is teaming with habitable planets, but
    its still interesting how they are disclosing slowly these discoveries so as when
    the big one comes it will not be a surprise.......



    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...he-last-one---
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    Are we alone in the universe? // NASA getting closer to finding alien life
    Are we alone in the universe?



    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ing-alien-life

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    Complex organic molecule found in interstellar space // Water on distant Neptune-sized planet
    26 September 2014 Last updated at 10:56

    Complex organic molecule found in interstellar space
    By Michael Eyre Science reporter
    Alma telescope

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-sized-planet


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    ‘Alien life found above Derbyshire proves we’re descended from extraterrestrials’, say scientists



    OK its not the ET's we think are out there and visiting/living here for eons but its a start....

    It was only a decade or so scientists thought we maybe the only solar system
    with potential 'Goldilocks' planets now there are many of them and growing...

    The ground work for disclosure has been laid by mainstream science over the
    last decade , whether they go the final step is the big question ??.....

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...say-scientists

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    Graham Hancock - Ancient Man and Our Mysterious Origins // Gobekli Tepe Roundtable march 2014



    Graham has been researching for a follow up to his book 'Fingerprints of the Gods'
    In the light of new discoveries , in this presentation he discusses that and more.......


    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ble-march-2014

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    Richplanet TV - 21/06/14.. Edgar Fouche & US Secret Space Fleet with resarcher Andrew Johnson Avalon member

    Richplanet TV - 21/06/14 Show - US Secret Space Fleet Program


    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Avalon-member

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    The other option apart from religion is Darwinism , which is possible
    with ET intervention at a later stage as per the Annunaki , Booteans
    or other races......

    We have probably all heard variations of the current evolution of
    humans, heres some of the most recent articles, for those who
    like to compare mainstream with alternate like I do.......and
    a lot of the mainstream is speculation and more fancy full than
    ET intervention imo .

    I just finished the vid below and it gives a docu/drama how the picture
    of the brief history of paleontology , and the relatively thin evidence of
    their theory. It was made in 2005 and not as recent as the posting suggest,
    so does not contain a lot of recent discoveries posted in the other articles
    below, but still interesting as a basis of mainstream science 'evolution
    of man'.......

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    Ape to Human Evolution - Where We Came From? If Apes Evolved into Humans, Why Do We Still Have Apes?




    Published on 10 Jul 2014


    Since Charles Darwin published the theory of evolution by means of natural
    selection in 1859, myths and misinterpretations have eroded public understanding
    of his ideas. For example, some people continue to argue that evolution isn't a valid
    scientific theory because it can't be tested. This, of course, isn't true. Scientists
    have successfully run numerous laboratory tests that support the major tenets of
    evolution. And field scientists have been able to use the fossil record to answer
    important questions about natural selection and how organisms change over time.

    Still, the evolution-is-not-falsifiable myth remains popular. So does this one: The
    second law of thermodynamics, which says an orderly system will always become
    disorderly, makes evolution impossible. This myth reflects a general
    misunderstanding of entropy, the term used by physicists to describe randomness
    or disorder. The second law does state that the total entropy of a closed system
    can't decrease, but it does allow parts of a system to become more orderly as long
    as other parts becomes less so. In other words, evolution and the second law
    of thermodynamics can live together in harmony.

    One of the most persistent myths, however, concerns the relationship of humans to
    great apes, a group of primates that includes the gorilla, orangutan and
    chimpanzee. Someone who believes the myth will say, "If evolution exists, then
    humans must be descended directly from apes. Apes must have changed, step by
    step, into humans." This same person will often follow up with this observation: "If
    apes 'turned into' humans, then apes should no longer exist." Although there are
    several ways to attack this assertion, the bottom-line rebuttal is simple -- humans
    didn't descend from apes. That's not to say humans and apes aren't related, but
    the relationship can't be traced backward along a direct line of descent, one form
    morphing into another. It must be traced along two independent lines, far back into
    time until the two lines merge.

    The intersection of the two lines represents something special, what biologists refer
    to as a common ancestor. This apelike ancestor, which probably lived 5 to 11
    million years ago in Africa, gave rise to two distinct lineages, one resulting in
    hominids -- humanlike species -- and the other resulting in the great ape species
    living today. Or, to use a family tree analogy, the common ancestor occupied a
    trunk, which then divided into two branches. Hominids developed along one branch,
    while the great ape species developed along another branch.

    What did this common ancestor look like? Although the fossil record has been
    stingy with answers, it seems logical that the animal would have possessed
    features of both humans and apes. In 2007, Japanese scientists believe they found
    the jawbone and teeth of just such an animal. By studying the size and shape of
    the teeth, they determined that the ape was gorilla-sized and had an appetite for
    hard nuts and seeds. They named it Nakalipithecus nakayamai and calculated its
    age to be 10 million years old. That puts the ape in the right place on the time line.
    More important, the scientists found the ancient bones in the Samburu Hills of
    northern Kenya. That puts N. nakayamai in the right geographic place, along a
    trajectory of hominid evolution that stretches for several hundred miles in eastern
    Africa. The Middle Awash region of Ethiopia lies to the north, where the African
    continent dead-ends into the Red Sea.Today, the Middle Awash region burns hot
    and inhospitable beneath a desert sun. But 10 million years ago, according to
    paleontologists and geologists, it held a cool, wet forest teeming with life. Is it
    possible that an apelike creature such as N. nakayamai lived in these fertile
    woodlands? Is it furthermore possible that the creature was just beginning to
    experiment with a new lifestyle, one that brought it down to the ground from the
    trees? Scientists think so, and they've been coming for years to the Middle Awash
    region, as well as points south, to learn when and how humanlike species diverged
    from the great apes.

    One of the most important Middle Awash discoveries came in 1994, when a team of
    scientists led by Tim White of the University of California, Berkeley, found
    skeletal remains that included skull, pelvis and hand and foot bones. When the t
    eam pieced the skeleton together, it revealed a very early hominid that walked
    upright, yet still retained an opposable toe, a trait commonly found in tree-climbing primates.

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    22 October 2014 Last updated at 18:06

    DNA yields secrets of human pioneerPallab Ghosh
    By Pallab Ghosh

    Science correspondent, BBC News DNA analysis of a 45,000-year-old human has helped scientists
    pinpoint when our ancestors interbred with Neanderthals.



    Early European Universal human: This reconstruction is of a different modern
    human from Romania 43,000 years ago. But it gives some clues to what the
    Siberian man may have looked like. This population was not long out of Africa and
    genetically midway between Europeans and Asians The genome sequence from a
    thigh bone found in Siberia shows the first episode of mixing occurred between
    50,000 and 60,000 years ago.

    The male hunter is one of the earliest modern humans discovered in Eurasia.

    The study in Nature journal also supports the finding that our species emerged
    from Africa some 60,000 years ago, before spreading around the world.

    The analysis raises the possibility that the human line first emerged millions of
    years earlier than current estimates.


    Max-Plack Institute

    The work of Prof Svante Paabo, from the Max Planck Institute in Leipzig, Germany,
    is rewriting the story of humanity. Prof Paabo and his colleagues have pioneered
    methods to extract DNA from ancient human remains and read its genetic code.

    From this sequence, Prof Paabo has been able to decipher an increasingly detailed
    story of modern humans as they spread across the globe.

    "The amazing thing is that we have a good genome of a 45,000 year old person
    who was close to the ancestor of all present-day humans outside Africa," Prof
    Paabo told BBC News.

    Prof Paabo has analysed DNA from part of a leg bone of a man that lived in
    Western Siberia around 45,000 years ago. This is a key moment at the cross roads
    of the world, when modern humans were on the cusp of an expansion into Europe
    and Asia.



    And the thigh bone is connected to your... evolutionary past. Prof Paabo Svante has
    unlocked the secrets contained in this femur from one of the earliest humans
    discovered out of Africa.

    The key finding was that the man had large, unshuffled chunks of DNA from a now
    extinct species of human, Neanderthals who evolved outside of Africa.

    "Our analysis shows that modern humans had already interbred with Neanderthals
    then and we can determine when that first happened much more precisely than we
    could before."

    Natural History Museum

    Prof Paabo and his team published research in 2010 which showed that all non-
    African humans today have Neanderthal DNA. But that genetic material has been
    broken into much smaller chunks over the generations.

    By extrapolating the size of DNA chunks backwards, Prof Paabo and his colleagues
    were able to calculate when the first interbreeding with Neanderthals occurred. His
    study shows that it was between 50,000 and 60,000 years ago.

    According to Prof Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum in London, this early
    interbreeding might indicate when the ancestors of people living outside of Africa
    today made their first steps out of the continent inwhich our species evolved more
    than 150,000 years ago.

    Prof Stringer was among those who believed that the first exit by modern humans
    from Africa that give rise to people outside of Africa today might have happened
    earlier, possibly 100,000 years ago. The evidence from Prof Paabo's research is
    persuading him that it was now much later.

    "There is a dispute as to when that "Out of Africa" event happened and this fossil
    helps to look at that. It is close to the time I think that modern humans exited from
    Africa and gave rise to the populations in the rest of the world. I think that exit
    happened 60,000 years ago," he told BBC News.




    River Irtysh Crossroads for humanity: the river Irtysh in Western Siberia where the
    bone was found. It comes from a time when the human race was about to embark
    on its journey to the rest of the world The new narrative seems to fit in with a
    recent new, more accurate dating of the arrival of modern humans into Europe by
    Prof Thomas Higham of Oxford University. Research published in August showed
    that this happened 45,000 years ago.

    Watershed

    Prof Paabo's 45,000 year-old man seems to have lived at a point that was both
    geographically, and in time, a crossroads for humanity.

    "This does seem to mark a watershed where modern humans were pushing the
    boundaries further and further in their dispersal out of Africa," according to Prof
    Stringer.

    Prof Paabo also compared the DNA of the man living 45,000 years ago with those
    living today. He found that the man was genetically midway between Europeans
    and Asians - indicating he lived close to the time before our species separated into
    different racial groups.

    Prof Paabo was also able to estimate the rate at which human DNA has changed or
    mutated over the millennia. He found that it was slower than the rate suggested by
    fossil evidence and similar to what has been observed in families.

    "We have caught evolution red handed!" Prof Paabo said gleefully.

    This raises the possibility that the very first species of the human line separated
    from apes 10 or 11 million years ago - rather than the five or six million years ago
    that genetic evidence had previously suggested.

    But he stressed in his research paper that much more analysis was needed before
    re-dating the emergence of the human line.

    "We caution that (mutation) rates may have changed over time and may differ
    between human populations," he said.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29649499

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    400,000 years, Oldest Human DNA Leads To More Questions Than Answers ( major changes last 5 yrs)


    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...es-last-5-yrs-

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    Europeans drawn from three ancient 'tribes'


    Theories and data are changing more rapidly in recent years and I think there is
    much more to it than this article shows , but interesting anyway....

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ancient-tribes

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    New DNA study shows Humans Bred With Unknown Species

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...nknown-Species

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    Has an Australian archaeologist found a new species of human?.// 'Enigma man' or 'Red Deer cave people'..


    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...r-cave-people-..

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    Default Re: THE ULTIMATE PLAN (a fairy story... maybe)

    Quote Posted by Jake (here)
    Quote Posted by chocolate (here)
    So, we 'believe'...
    in the notion of a dark elite
    in the notion of ... dark agenda
    in the notion of ETs ( I never managed to picture those )

    in the notion of ... cosmic/space travel with some sort of 'ships'
    etc.

    Do we?
    Really?

    I don't 'believe' a single one concept of all that has been spread out in the OP.
    Sorry, for raining on this thread, but somebody has to ( somehow, gently, eloquently, may be ~ ) do it.

    And neither will you, if you care to take control of your 'belief' system(s).

    May be it is time for us to stop our collective 'mediation', when all kinds of 'belief' systems have been downloaded into our (quite capable) brains/ consciousnesses, and start using all of the above mentioned in their full capacity, and in the way initially intended.
    Very wonderfully put. I read this thread as more of a thought experiment and a discussion rather that something we should 'believe'.. Shedding our need for 'belief systems' is inevitable, methinks... And you are exactly correct to point it out.. Thank you.

    From the point of view of someone who has had direct experience with ET's,, NOT believing in them is just another belief system. No one person has all of the pieces of the puzzle. Many times thought experiments in the form of creative discussion will actually help to dispel some of the beliefs. Though,, not always.

    Cheers
    Jake.
    read up on Chaos Magic belief is the core of this practice; and language is used as the tool to manipulate belief (chaos magic knows how powerful belief is) you could consider the OP a bit of a chaos magic spell really.

    either way, it seems very applicable to this thread.

    Quote Chaos magic

    Spellings include 'chaos' and 'kaos', and is a postmodern and post-postmodern magical tradition which emphasizes the pragmatic use of belief systems and the creation of new and unorthodox methods.[1]

    Although there are a few techniques unique to chaos magick (such as some forms of sigil magic), chaos magic is often highly individualistic and borrows liberally from other belief systems, due to chaos magick having a central belief that belief is a tool. Some common sources of inspiration include such diverse areas as science fiction, scientific theories, traditional ceremonial magic, neoshamanism, Eastern philosophy, world religions, and individual experimentation. Despite tremendous individual variation, chaos magicians (sometimes called "chaotes"[2]) often work with chaotic and humorous paradigms, such as the worship of Hundun from Taoism and it is common for chaotes to believe in whatever god suits their current paradigm and discard it when necessary. Chaotes can be agnostic or atheist and regard magical practice as merely psychological, not paranormal. Some chaos magicians also use psychedelic drugs in practices such as chemognosticism.[3]
    Chaos magickians are often seen by other occultists as dangerous or worrisome revolutionaries. Real kaos magickians embrace this.[2]
    According to chaos practitioners a computer is the central tool for connecting the followers, building virtual knowledge libraries and it also could be used for the simulation of the online ritual environment.[4]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic

    Perhaps bill is a practitioner (knowingly or not)
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
    Where are you?

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    I had to avoid a knee jerk reaction.. lol... I had to read up a bit on Chaos Majik, as i have never heard anyone refer to themselves as a 'chaos majician'.. A fairly loose 'movement', but a movement nonetheless. Thanks for the info, mate!! Saying Chaos Majic is a bit misleading. The Majic part was taken from a general reference to majic in The first edition of Liber Null.. The Chaos part was added later, to denote the 'belief' of 'chaos' as in 'chaos theory' as the 'thing' that is the catalyst of all things.

    Maybe not 'misleading', but not very accurate terminology.. Especially considering that the term is most often used to describe someone else, rather than a term one uses to describe themselves... They way i read it,, anything anyone says can be considered chaos majik, really... oops,, i just cast chaos majik... i think.... lol.

    Cheers, mate.
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Just an FYI..

    There maybe a breakaway civilization (and good ridence, go try and make your way elsewhere, none of us will miss you), there maybe people bent on the depopulation of earth (but it's too late, they need our cooperation to do it; and they don't have it anymore).



    you know what?

    none of this (doom and gloom) will happen; none of this CAN happen. there are no "Demons in the freezer" there is no super bioweapon that will kill millions of us in 3 days.

    This is the old way of thinking, it's not going to happen; the tide has turned. Even this Ebola scare is doubted by everyone now, even the most "uneducated" are questioning it.

    Sorry darkness, your time has passed, the pendulum is swinging the otherway now, your old ideas were not acted on in time; it's over.

    We will be fine, we WILL be; just a few more rumbles and shakes (turmoil) as the power slowly shifts back in the other direction are all I see coming.
    Target T, I'm with you. I'm fed up with the PTB, I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore. It's time for a shift, a big shift, those parasites can find a new planet with natives that will put them at the bottom of the food chain. Power is only an illusion.
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by Jake (here)
    Quote Posted by chocolate (here)
    So, we 'believe'...
    in the notion of a dark elite
    in the notion of ... dark agenda
    in the notion of ETs ( I never managed to picture those )

    in the notion of ... cosmic/space travel with some sort of 'ships'
    etc.

    Do we?
    Really?

    I don't 'believe' a single one concept of all that has been spread out in the OP.
    Sorry, for raining on this thread, but somebody has to ( somehow, gently, eloquently, may be ~ ) do it.

    And neither will you, if you care to take control of your 'belief' system(s).

    May be it is time for us to stop our collective 'mediation', when all kinds of 'belief' systems have been downloaded into our (quite capable) brains/ consciousnesses, and start using all of the above mentioned in their full capacity, and in the way initially intended.
    Very wonderfully put. I read this thread as more of a thought experiment and a discussion rather that something we should 'believe'.. Shedding our need for 'belief systems' is inevitable, methinks... And you are exactly correct to point it out.. Thank you.

    From the point of view of someone who has had direct experience with ET's,, NOT believing in them is just another belief system. No one person has all of the pieces of the puzzle. Many times thought experiments in the form of creative discussion will actually help to dispel some of the beliefs. Though,, not always.

    Cheers
    Jake.
    read up on Chaos Magic belief is the core of this practice; and language is used as the tool to manipulate belief (chaos magic knows how powerful belief is) you could consider the OP a bit of a chaos magic spell really.

    either way, it seems very applicable to this thread.

    Quote Chaos magic

    Spellings include 'chaos' and 'kaos', and is a postmodern and post-postmodern magical tradition which emphasizes the pragmatic use of belief systems and the creation of new and unorthodox methods.[1]

    Although there are a few techniques unique to chaos magick (such as some forms of sigil magic), chaos magic is often highly individualistic and borrows liberally from other belief systems, due to chaos magick having a central belief that belief is a tool. Some common sources of inspiration include such diverse areas as science fiction, scientific theories, traditional ceremonial magic, neoshamanism, Eastern philosophy, world religions, and individual experimentation. Despite tremendous individual variation, chaos magicians (sometimes called "chaotes"[2]) often work with chaotic and humorous paradigms, such as the worship of Hundun from Taoism and it is common for chaotes to believe in whatever god suits their current paradigm and discard it when necessary. Chaotes can be agnostic or atheist and regard magical practice as merely psychological, not paranormal. Some chaos magicians also use psychedelic drugs in practices such as chemognosticism.[3]
    Chaos magickians are often seen by other occultists as dangerous or worrisome revolutionaries. Real kaos magickians embrace this.[2]
    According to chaos practitioners a computer is the central tool for connecting the followers, building virtual knowledge libraries and it also could be used for the simulation of the online ritual environment.[4]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic

    Perhaps bill is a practitioner (knowingly or not)
    Whoa. Was just listening to Thomas Sheridan talking about this yesterday. (on youtube)

    Thanks Bill. It will take me a week to get through all the mterial on this thread!

    Regards all!

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    Its a pretty interesting story, however it does not resonate with me. Everything is perfect.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    • The human race as we know it is the outcome of an ET experiment.


    • The ET experimenters are 100% benign and non-violent. They will not interfere, whatever happens in their experiment (which has been in progress for just under a million years, with another two million to run).


    • What was UNPLANNED is that the human race would get hold of advanced technology (from UFO crashes, which were never intended or anticipated by the experimenters) — and use this to escape the planet and go off into the galaxy.


    • The ET experimenters are very worried about this, because of how warlike and aggressive humans often are. Nevertheless, they will NOT take any action to prevent or stop this.

    [/LIST]
    Hi Bill, I just want to make a couple of comments on the above. The idea that problems started only in 1947 or whenever is quite simply laughable. To take a very trivial example, things like the Fed have been around longer than that.

    The ET 'experimenters' at the origin of the human race, I believe, are much more evolved than the presentday ET presence and naturally are indeed 100% nonviolent; John Lash takes this all the way to Sophia at the galactic centre, and for me this rings true: the experiment is on a planetary scale, and humans are the brains of Gaia. I do not agree that humans are considered by their ‘maker’ to be naturally warlike and aggressive: this is due to an external, ‘archontic’ force if you will; Sophia herself (let’s stick with the name) is totally in love with her creation. When we begin to see things from her point of view, we understand why.

    I explained two days ago in a members-only Simon Parkes thread how from the outset the experiment itself, although non-aggressive, as a serious game-changer could not but pose a threat to certain ET races, and at the very least a considerable challenge to the benevolent ones. This is something that anyone could have seen coming; hence the warlike aggression against humanity has been ongoing for eons and stepped up recently because the development of nonviolent humans has reached a watershed point. Sure, the Roswell incident was crucial, but not for the UFO technology (the Nazis already had it) – it was for the protection of the nuclear aspect of the campaign already in place on the ground. Why do we see, for example, theories about 911, after exploring exotic free energy technologies, coming round to nuclear terrorism by Zionists with stolen weaponry past its use-by date? A likely answer is given in the links provided below.

    For much greater clarity, I am quoting the relevant part of my post for public consumption here (it is addressed to ET, any ET). I am sure what is being discussed on this thread can fit in with this picture; I’d be interested to hear your views on that, and if and how it would solve anything.

    Quote your speaking from a place of knowing to me is totally alien. This is not how we operate on Earth. We Earth humans are on a steep learning curve where knowing is actually a hindrance, because, although possibly highly advanced, it progresses very slowly, whereas learning progresses from zero, but very quickly. Let me take a mathematical example for the sake of illustration, the actual numbers are unimportant. Say your knowing has a value of a million and progresses slowly but surely (arithmetically), and my knowing has a starting value of only one but progresses rather differently (exponentially) – say doubling at regular intervals. Now take this process through 64 stages, like grains of rice on a chess board: you have a million on every single square for a grand total of 64 million. I have on my first eight squares just 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 and 128. The ‘64 million dollar question’ being, what is my grand total? Answer 18,446,744,073,709,551,615. (The 64 million mark is reached by the 26th square.)

    All of a sudden, we have a very clear picture of humanity’s possibly unique value in the universe, and the interest, awe, and possibly sometimes envy, fear and aggressiveness of other races who see where this is heading. We understand the rich man’s cheap imperialist buyout of a developing race. We understand the corruption of certain earthlings who become powerful through skipping across to the millionaire alien side, without realizing that they are backing the wrong horse. And most of all we understand the dumbing-down that is being attempted at every level in order to stop this juggernaut. John Lash calls it archons, educationalists call it falling standards, health workers call it manmade viruses, chemtrails or vaccines, for economists it’s fiat money, the list goes on and on; the blanket expression might be the infringement of free will or interference with our creativity. In other words, we see where the apparent ‘malevolence’ is coming from: it is coming from the twofold aim of destroying something that is to be feared while exploiting the benefits to be gained: in other words, genetic splicing and predatory feeding. The situation calls for no moral judgment, beyond noting the violation of free will; simply, on pragmatic grounds, it has to stop. Those responsible will either change their ways and adapt, or they will leave.

    Where do benevolent ETs fit into this picture? Well, I will leave it to them to explain themselves, but it will doubtless involve respect for our free will. I gather they understand that their knowledge would be useful to us now, and that our learning process will be useful to them later. I imagine there is a great deal of wariness because humanity poses a potentially huge threat to them, and they have seen the scale of damage that can be done, despite possibly the best of intentions, through clumsy interaction. Humanity is on the brink of destruction, which is also very bad news for ET, given the potential benefits. So what we need to understand is how the alien knowing is such a lethal instrument when it comes in contact with the human learning process, and how the human learning process can be made less threatening to the rest of the cosmos.

    To begin with, with knowing, you have a fairly static external given you call reality; however huge and wonderful, it is a fairly stable reference point that takes on a degree of authority which in turn becomes codified and potentially fossilized. When injected into a less evolved civilization with a shorter lifespan, it tends towards authoritarianism, in the shape of holy books, carved-in-stone laws and regulations, royalty, ritual and bloodlines. Such a system is highly conservative, tending towards total immobility, and backward-looking (reactionary) whenever that is not possible. In other words, it is the closest thing to a closed system, with very little wiggle room for any form of novelty. I said speaking from a place of knowing is alien yet familiar. It is familiar because in humans it becomes learning by rote with no real understanding; this leads to all kinds of distortions, and gradually what is thought to be known becomes completely divorced from any underlying reality. Its practitioners are insufferably authoritarian for lack of any real authoritativeness, which is a way of suppressing the necessary freedom to operate differently. So you end up with countless false prophets despite dwindling demand, because the human mind is simply not configured to function in this way in the first place.

    You know the adage: give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime. This ‘knowing’ system has set up a fishmonger’s store, and is running out of fish. The learning process generates freedom, for the man who knows how to fend for himself no longer needs his knowing supplier. On the contrary, he becomes a knowing supplier, and more than that, he can become a teacher, and still more than that, he can become a teacher of teachers. Because there is a third level: teach a man how to learn, the effect is exponential. Learning is not only exponential in the data it produces, the process itself is exponential. Take Dolores Cannon, who recently died: her passing is in one sense no great loss because she leaves behind her generations of students and teachers to carry on her work. It is all about empowerment. Compare this with someone like Courtney Brown, who has reached something of a dead end with his Farsight Institute, by working only with the best but failing to incorporate the teaching/learning process. This is ultimately knowledge without understanding, because the teaching/learning process is about discovering not only what we know but also how we know it (epistemology), and even how we understand epistemology (meta-epistemology), etc.

    What I have learnt of the mechanics of this learning process is that it involves the interplay (intercourse) of the rational skull brain and the feeling gut brain, which is connected to Mother Earth herself. Since the above-described hampering of humanity leads to the former being cut off from the latter, which is the source of this creativity, it is a form of knowing that is disconnected from Earth and can have no place here. This is another way of saying that ET is a distraction, and has been at least since he planted the tree of knowledge and said it was safe to eat. But it is a distraction that has to be dealt with, and pressing the ignore button is no longer an option. Since this is a Gaia Sophia-based experiment, I don’t know how it might be exportable to other locations in the cosmos, but this is the next stage in our own learning process that we cannot shy away from.

    This has been a very tentative first draft of a first chapter of what needs to be said towards an Earth-based presentation of the bigger picture; but I shall stop here, as it segues neatly into further reading at the links below, while also bringing us back on topic in this Simon Parkes thread. I agree with Simon that humanity first needs a level playing field, and this is my contribution to that. Please try and understand: we need a planet on the road to recovery, as we can achieve nothing without her.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post886200
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post887377
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post889817


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    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
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    I guess they didn't want to tell us.

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    I know of chaos magic as 'wild magic' as per Stephen R Donaldson, The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant (great series of books by the way). Wild magic is very real, it is the magic most humans wield. Most times unfocussed, often unintentional, but very , very powerful.
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    If you want to check out Dr. Rima there is an interview on U-TUBE that's well worth watching entitled, 'Dr. Rima exposes Genocidal Plot' .Great informative interview.
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    Time to once again ask myself, right now in the eternal present. . . where do I choose to focus my consciousness?

    Consciousness is, after all, the great manifester . . . and what I focus on . . .
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    Speaking from the point of view of a trauma therapists who is familiar with the sadistic people who become abusive husbands - I would say that it is true that abusive mates sometimes kill their spouses. Often the reasoning is "if I can't have her - no one else can either." If the elites were compelled to leave their herd, they would rather kill them off than risk someone else "having" them. My second thought, based on work with trauma, is that it would not be wise to start humanity from scratch. We would likely be a wiser, more resilient humanity if we started our new peaceful civilization as a large collective - so that we remember the oppression we overcame. This is true in research done with animals as well. It is a biological principal that animals that have experienced trauma and then healed from it - are more resilient than those that have not. This is probably true of a collective humanity as well. Especially if we develop more telepathic abilities and connection with one another.

    Although I find Bill Ryan's theory very interesting, it doesn't quite resonate because it doesn't explain how the archons fit in to the theory. Several sources teach that there are indeed vampire like beings who have human form. Presumably some of them are among the elite and that is why we hear of popes and royalty drinking human blood (Kevin Annet). Is Bill assuming that the archons will be left behind when the elite leave. Maybe the Break Away civilization is all about leaving the planet so that the elite escape the archons? If it was possible to leave the archon infestation behind, it would make sense to exterminate the archon food supply - us, the humans. However that seems unlikely to me. Unless it is true what Cobra is saying that this is the last planet where there is an archon infestation.
    It seems naïve to believe that they do not exist elsewhere, or that the elite would successfully leave without them.
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