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    Default Putin to Western Elites: PLAY-TIME IS OVER

    A unilateral diktat and imposing one’s own models produces the opposite result


    By DMITRY ORLOV | CLUBORLOV | OCTOBER 30, 2014

    Most people in the English-speaking parts of the world missed Putin’s speech at the Valdai conference in Sochi a few days ago, and, chances are, those of you who have heard of the speech didn’t get a chance to read it, and missed its importance.

    (For your convenience, I am pasting in the full transcript of his speech below.) Western media did their best to ignore it or to twist its meaning. Regardless of what you think or don’t think of Putin (like the sun and the moon, he does not exist for you to cultivate an opinion) this is probably the most important political speech since Churchill’s “Iron Curtain” speech of March 5, 1946.

    In this speech, Putin abruptly changed the rules of the game. Previously, the game of international politics was played as follows: politicians made public pronouncements, for the sake of maintaining a pleasant fiction of national sovereignty, but they were strictly for show and had nothing to do with the substance of international politics; in the meantime, they engaged in secret back-room negotiations, in which the actual deals were hammered out. Previously, Putin tried to play this game, expecting only that Russia be treated as an equal. But these hopes have been dashed, and at this conference he declared the game to be over, explicitly violating Western taboo by speaking directly to the people over the heads of elite clans and political leaders.

    The Russian blogger chipstone summarized the most salient points from Putin speech as follows:

    1. Russia will no longer play games and engage in back-room negotiations over trifles. But Russia is prepared for serious conversations and agreements, if these are conducive to collective security, are based on fairness and take into account the interests of each side.

    2. All systems of global collective security now lie in ruins. There are no longer any international security guarantees at all. And the entity that destroyed them has a name: The United States of America.

    3. The builders of the New World Order have failed, having built a sand castle. Whether or not a new world order of any sort is to be built is not just Russia’s decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia.

    4. Russia favors a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified.

    5. Russia has no intention of going fishing in the murky waters created by America’s ever-expanding “empire of chaos,” and has no interest in building a new empire of her own (this is unnecessary; Russia’s challenges lie in developing her already vast territory). Neither is Russia willing to act as a savior of the world, as she had in the past.

    6. Russia will not attempt to reformat the world in her own image, but neither will she allow anyone to reformat her in their image. Russia will not close herself off from the world, but anyone who tries to close her off from the world will be sure to reap a whirlwind.

    7. Russia does not wish for the chaos to spread, does not want war, and has no intention of starting one. However, today Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, is prepared for it, and is continuing to prepare for it. Russia does not war—nor does she fear it.

    8. Russia does not intend to take an active role in thwarting those who are still attempting to construct their New World Order—until their efforts start to impinge on Russia’s key interests. Russia would prefer to stand by and watch them give themselves as many lumps as their poor heads can take. But those who manage to drag Russia into this process, through disregard for her interests, will be taught the true meaning of pain.

    9. In her external, and, even more so, internal politics, Russia’s power will rely not on the elites and their back-room dealing, but onthe will of the people.


    To these nine points I would like to add a tenth:

    10. There is still a chance to construct a new world order that will avoid a world war. This new world order must of necessity include the United States—but can only do so on the same terms as everyone else: subject to international law and international agreements; refraining from all unilateral action; in full respect of the sovereignty of other nations.

    To sum it all up: play-time is over. Children, put away your toys. Now is the time for the adults to make decisions. Russia is ready for this; is the world?



    (FULL VIDEO - World Order: New Rules or a Game without Rules )

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    Text of Vladimir Putin’s speech and a question and answer session at the final plenary meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club’s XI session in Sochi on 24 October 2014.

    It was mentioned already that the club has new co-organizers this year. They include Russian non-governmental organizations, expert groups and leading universities. The idea was also raised of broadening the discussions to include not just issues related to Russia itself but also global politics and the economy.

    An organization and content will bolster the club’s influence as a leading discussion and expert forum. At the same time, I hope the ‘Valdai spirit’ will remain – this free and open atmosphere and chance to express all manner of very different and frank opinions.

    Let me say in this respect that I will also not let you down and will speak directly and frankly. Some of what I say might seem a bit too harsh, but if we do not speak directly and honestly about what we really think, then there is little point in even meeting in this way. It would be better in that case just to keep to diplomatic get-togethers, where no one says anything of real sense and, recalling the words of one famous diplomat, you realize that diplomats have tongues so as not to speak the truth.

    We get together for other reasons. We get together so as to talk frankly with each other. We need to be direct and blunt today not so as to trade barbs, but so as to attempt to get to the bottom of what is actually happening in the world, try to understand why the world is becoming less safe and more unpredictable, and why the risks are increasing everywhere around us.

    Today’s discussion took place under the theme: New Rules or a Game without Rules. I think that this formula accurately describes the historic turning point we have reached today and the choice we all face. There is nothing new of course in the idea that the world is changing very fast. I know this is something you have spoken about at the discussions today. It is certainly hard not to notice the dramatic transformations in global politics and the economy, public life, and in industry, information and social technologies.

    Let me ask you right now to forgive me if I end up repeating what some of the discussion’s participants have already said. It’s practically impossible to avoid. You have already held detailed discussions, but I will set out my point of view. It will coincide with other participants’ views on some points and differ on others.

    As we analyze today’s situation, let us not forget history’s lessons. First of all, changes in the world order – and what we are seeing today are events on this scale – have usually been accompanied by if not global war and conflict, then by chains of intensive local-level conflicts. Second, global politics is above all about economic leadership, issues of war and peace, and the humanitarian dimension, including human rights.

    The world is full of contradictions today. We need to be frank in asking each other if we have a reliable safety net in place. Sadly, there is no guarantee and no certainty that the current system of global and regional security is able to protect us from upheavals. This system has become seriously weakened, fragmented and deformed. The international and regional political, economic, and cultural cooperation organizations are also going through difficult times.

    Yes, many of the mechanisms we have for ensuring the world order were created quite a long time ago now, including and above all in the period immediately following World War II. Let me stress that the solidity of the system created back then rested not only on the balance of power and the rights of the victor countries, but on the fact that this system’s ‘founding fathers’ had respect for each other, did not try to put the squeeze on others, but attempted to reach agreements.

    The main thing is that this system needs to develop, and despite its various shortcomings, needs to at least be capable of keeping the world’s current problems within certain limits and regulating the intensity of the natural competition between countries.

    It is my conviction that we could not take this mechanism of checks and balances that we built over the last decades, sometimes with such effort and difficulty, and simply tear it apart without building anything in its place. Otherwise we would be left with no instruments other than brute force.

    What we needed to do was to carry out a rational reconstruction and adapt it the new realities in the system of international relations.

    But the United States, having declared itself the winner of the Cold War, saw no need for this. Instead of establishing a new balance of power, essential for maintaining order and stability, they took steps that threw the system into sharp and deep imbalance.

    The Cold War ended, but it did not end with the signing of a peace treaty with clear and transparent agreements on respecting existing rules or creating new rules and standards. This created the impression that the so-called ‘victors’ in the Cold War had decided to pressure events and reshape the world to suit their own needs and interests. If the existing system of international relations, international law and the checks and balances in place got in the way of these aims, this system was declared worthless, outdated and in need of immediate demolition.
    Pardon the analogy, but this is the way nouveaux riches behave when they suddenly end up with a great fortune, in this case, in the shape of world leadership and domination. Instead of managing their wealth wisely, for their own benefit too of course, I think they have committed many follies.

    We have entered a period of differing interpretations and deliberate silences in world politics. International law has been forced to retreat over and over by the onslaught of legal nihilism. Objectivity and justice have been sacrificed on the altar of political expediency. Arbitrary interpretations and biased assessments have replaced legal norms. At the same time, total control of the global mass media has made it possible when desired to portray white as black and black as white.

    In a situation where you had domination by one country and its allies, or its satellites rather, the search for global solutions often turned into an attempt to impose their own universal recipes. This group’s ambitions grew so big that they started presenting the policies they put together in their corridors of power as the view of the entire international community. But this is not the case.

    The very notion of ‘national sovereignty’ became a relative value for most countries. In essence, what was being proposed was the formula: the greater the loyalty towards the world’s sole power centre, the greater this or that ruling regime’s legitimacy.

    We will have a free discussion afterwards and I will be happy to answer your questions and would also like to use my right to ask you questions. Let someone try to disprove the arguments that I just set out during the upcoming discussion.

    The measures taken against those who refuse to submit are well-known and have been tried and tested many times. They include use of force, economic and propaganda pressure, meddling in domestic affairs, and appeals to a kind of ‘supra-legal’ legitimacy when they need to justify illegal intervention in this or that conflict or toppling inconvenient regimes. Of late, we have increasing evidence too that outright blackmail has been used with regard to a number of leaders. It is not for nothing that ‘big brother’ is spending billions of dollars on keeping the whole world, including its own closest allies, under surveillance.

    Let’s ask ourselves, how comfortable are we with this, how safe are we, how happy living in this world, and how fair and rational has it become? Maybe, we have no real reasons to worry, argue and ask awkward questions? Maybe the United States’ exceptional position and the way they are carrying out their leadership really is a blessing for us all, and their meddling in events all around the world is bringing peace, prosperity, progress, growth and democracy, and we should maybe just relax and enjoy it all?

    Let me say that this is not the case, absolutely not the case.

    A unilateral diktat and imposing one’s own models produces the opposite result. Instead of settling conflicts it leads to their escalation, instead of sovereign and stable states we see the growing spread of chaos, and instead of democracy there is support for a very dubious public ranging from open neo-fascists to Islamic radicals.

    Why do they support such people? They do this because they decide to use them as instruments along the way in achieving their goals but then burn their fingers and recoil. I never cease to be amazed by the way that our partners just keep stepping on the same rake, as we say here in Russia, that is to say, make the same mistake over and over.

    They once sponsored Islamic extremist movements to fight the Soviet Union. Those groups got their battle experience in Afghanistan and later gave birth to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. The West if not supported, at least closed its eyes, and, I would say, gave information, political and financial support to international terrorists’ invasion of Russia (we have not forgotten this) and the Central Asian region’s countries. Only after horrific terrorist attacks were committed on US soil itself did the United States wake up to the common threat of terrorism. Let me remind you that we were the first country to support the American people back then, the first to react as friends and partners to the terrible tragedy of September 11.

    During my conversations with American and European leaders, I always spoke of the need to fight terrorism together, as a challenge on a global scale. We cannot resign ourselves to and accept this threat, cannot cut it into separate pieces using double standards. Our partners expressed agreement, but a little time passed and we ended up back where we started. First there was the military operation in Iraq, then in Libya, which got pushed to the brink of falling apart. Why was Libya pushed into this situation? Today it is a country in danger of breaking apart and has become a training ground for terrorists.

    Only the current Egyptian leadership’s determination and wisdom saved this key Arab country from chaos and having extremists run rampant. In Syria, as in the past, the United States and its allies started directly financing and arming rebels and allowing them to fill their ranks with mercenaries from various countries. Let me ask where do these rebels get their money, arms and military specialists? Where does all this come from? How did the notorious ISIL manage to become such a powerful group, essentially a real armed force?

    As for financing sources, today, the money is coming not just from drugs, production of which has increased not just by a few percentage points but many-fold, since the international coalition forces have been present in Afghanistan. You are aware of this. The terrorists are getting money from selling oil too. Oil is produced in territory controlled by the terrorists, who sell it at dumping prices, produce it and transport it. But someone buys this oil, resells it, and makes a profit from it, not thinking about the fact that they are thus financing terrorists who could come sooner or later to their own soil and sow destruction in their own countries.

    Where do they get new recruits? In Iraq, after Saddam Hussein was toppled, the state’s institutions, including the army, were left in ruins. We said back then, be very, very careful. You are driving people out into the street, and what will they do there? Don’t forget (rightfully or not) that they were in the leadership of a large regional power, and what are you now turning them into?

    What was the result? Tens of thousands of soldiers, officers and former Baath Party activists were turned out into the streets and today have joined the rebels’ ranks. Perhaps this is what explains why the Islamic State group has turned out so effective? In military terms, it is acting very effectively and has some very professional people. Russia warned repeatedly about the dangers of unilateral military actions, intervening in sovereign states’ affairs, and flirting with extremists and radicals. We insisted on having the groups fighting the central Syrian government, above all the Islamic State, included on the lists of terrorist organizations. But did we see any results? We appealed in vain.

    We sometimes get the impression that our colleagues and friends are constantly fighting the consequences of their own policies, throw all their effort into addressing the risks they themselves have created, and pay an ever-greater price.

    Colleagues, this period of unipolar domination has convincingly demonstrated that having only one power centre does not make global processes more manageable. On the contrary, this kind of unstable construction has shown its inability to fight the real threats such as regional conflicts, terrorism, drug trafficking, religious fanaticism, chauvinism and neo-Nazism. At the same time, it has opened the road wide for inflated national pride, manipulating public opinion and letting the strong bully and suppress the weak.

    Essentially, the unipolar world is simply a means of justifying dictatorship over people and countries. The unipolar world turned out too uncomfortable, heavy and unmanageable a burden even for the self-proclaimed leader. Comments along this line were made here just before and I fully agree with this. This is why we see attempts at this new historic stage to recreate a semblance of a quasi-bipolar world as a convenient model for perpetuating American leadership. It does not matter who takes the place of the centre of evil in American propaganda, the USSR’s old place as the main adversary. It could be Iran, as a country seeking to acquire nuclear technology, China, as the world’s biggest economy, or Russia, as a nuclear superpower.

    Today, we are seeing new efforts to fragment the world, draw new dividing lines, put together coalitions not built for something but directed against someone, anyone, create the image of an enemy as was the case during the Cold War years, and obtain the right to this leadership, or diktat if you wish. The situation was presented this way during the Cold War. We all understand this and know this. The United States always told its allies: “We have a common enemy, a terrible foe, the centre of evil, and we are defending you, our allies, from this foe, and so we have the right to order you around, force you to sacrifice your political and economic interests and pay your share of the costs for this collective defense, but we will be the ones in charge of it all of course.” In short, we see today attempts in a new and changing world to reproduce the familiar models of global management, and all this so as to guarantee their [the US’] exceptional position and reap political and economic dividends.

    But these attempts are increasingly divorced from reality and are in contradiction with the world’s diversity. Steps of this kind inevitably create confrontation and countermeasures and have the opposite effect to the hoped-for goals. We see what happens when politics rashly starts meddling in the economy and the logic of rational decisions gives way to the logic of confrontation that only hurt one’s own economic positions and interests, including national business interests.

    Joint economic projects and mutual investment objectively bring countries closer together and help to smooth out current problems in relations between states. But today, the global business community faces unprecedented pressure from Western governments. What business, economic expediency and pragmatism can we speak of when we hear slogans such as “the homeland is in danger”, “the free world is under threat”, and “democracy is in jeopardy”? And so everyone needs to mobilize. That is what a real mobilization policy looks like.

    Sanctions are already undermining the foundations of world trade, the WTO rules and the principle of inviolability of private property. They are dealing a blow to liberal model of globalization based on markets, freedom and competition, which, let me note, is a model that has primarily benefited precisely the Western countries. And now they risk losing trust as the leaders of globalization. We have to ask ourselves, why was this necessary? After all, the United States’ prosperity rests in large part on the trust of investors and foreign holders of dollars and US securities. This trust is clearly being undermined and signs of disappointment in the fruits of globalization are visible now in many countries. 

The well-known Cyprus precedent and the politically motivated sanctions have only strengthened the trend towards seeking to bolster economic and financial sovereignty and countries’ or their regional groups’ desire to find ways of protecting themselves from the risks of outside pressure. We already see that more and more countries are looking for ways to become less dependent on the dollar and are setting up alternative financial and payments systems and reserve currencies. I think that our American friends are quite simply cutting the branch they are sitting on. You cannot mix politics and the economy, but this is what is happening now. I have always thought and still think today that politically motivated sanctions were a mistake that will harm everyone, but I am sure that we will come back to this subject later.

    We know how these decisions were taken and who was applying the pressure. But let me stress that Russia is not going to get all worked up, get offended or come begging at anyone’s door. Russia is a self-sufficient country. We will work within the foreign economic environment that has taken shape, develop domestic production and technology and act more decisively to carry out transformation. Pressure from outside, as has been the case on past occasions, will only consolidate our society, keep us alert and make us concentrate on our main development goals.

    Of course the sanctions are a hindrance. They are trying to hurt us through these sanctions, block our development and push us into political, economic and cultural isolation, force us into backwardness in other words. But let me say yet again that the world is a very different place today. We have no intention of shutting ourselves off from anyone and choosing some kind of closed development road, trying to live in autarky. We are always open to dialogue, including on normalizing our economic and political relations. We are counting here on the pragmatic approach and position of business communities in the leading countries.

    Some are saying today that Russia is supposedly turning its back on Europe – such words were probably spoken already here too during the discussions – and is looking for new business partners, above all in Asia. Let me say that this is absolutely not the case. Our active policy in the Asian-Pacific region began not just yesterday and not in response to sanctions, but is a policy that we have been following for a good many years now. Like many other countries, including Western countries, we saw that Asia is playing an ever greater role in the world, in the economy and in politics, and there is simply no way we can afford to overlook these developments.

    Let me say again that everyone is doing this, and we will do so to, all the more so as a large part of our country is geographically in Asia. Why should we not make use of our competitive advantages in this area? It would be extremely shortsighted not to do so.

    Developing economic ties with these countries and carrying out joint integration projects also creates big incentives for our domestic development. Today’s demographic, economic and cultural trends all suggest that dependence on a sole superpower will objectively decrease. This is something that European and American experts have been talking and writing about too.

    Perhaps developments in global politics will mirror the developments we are seeing in the global economy, namely, intensive competition for specific niches and frequent change of leaders in specific areas. This is entirely possible.

    There is no doubt that humanitarian factors such as education, science, healthcare and culture are playing a greater role in global competition. This also has a big impact on international relations, including because this ‘soft power’ resource will depend to a great extent on real achievements in developing human capital rather than on sophisticated propaganda tricks.

    At the same time, the formation of a so-called polycentric world (I would also like to draw attention to this, colleagues) in and of itself does not improve stability; in fact, it is more likely to be the opposite. The goal of reaching global equilibrium is turning into a fairly difficult puzzle, an equation with many unknowns.
    So, what is in store for us if we choose not to live by the rules – even if they may be strict and inconvenient – but rather live without any rules at all? And that scenario is entirely possible; we cannot rule it out, given the tensions in the global situation. Many predictions can already be made, taking into account current trends, and unfortunately, they are not optimistic. If we do not create a clear system of mutual commitments and agreements, if we do not build the mechanisms for managing and resolving crisis situations, the symptoms of global anarchy will inevitably grow.

    Today, we already see a sharp increase in the likelihood of a whole set of violent conflicts with either direct or indirect participation by the world’s major powers. And the risk factors include not just traditional multinational conflicts, but also the internal instability in separate states, especially when we talk about nations located at the intersections of major states’ geopolitical interests, or on the border of cultural, historical, and economic civilizational continents.

    Ukraine, which I’m sure was discussed at length and which we will discuss some more, is one of the example of such sorts of conflicts that affect international power balance, and I think it will certainly not be the last. From here emanates the next real threat of destroying the current system of arms control agreements. And this dangerous process was launched by the United States of America when it unilaterally withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002, and then set about and continues today to actively pursue the creation of its global missile defense system.

    Colleagues, friends, I want to point out that we did not start this. Once again, we are sliding into the times when, instead of the balance of interests and mutual guarantees, it is fear and the balance of mutual destruction that prevent nations from engaging in direct conflict. In absence of legal and political instruments, arms are once again becoming the focal point of the global agenda; they are used wherever and however, without any UN Security Council sanctions. And if the Security Council refuses to produce such decisions, then it is immediately declared to be an outdated and ineffective instrument.

    Many states do not see any other ways of ensuring their sovereignty but to obtain their own bombs. This is extremely dangerous. We insist on continuing talks; we are not only in favor of talks, but insist on continuing talks to reduce nuclear arsenals. The less nuclear weapons we have in the world, the better. And we are ready for the most serious, concrete discussions on nuclear disarmament – but only serious discussions without any double standards.

    What do I mean? Today, many types of high-precision weaponry are already close to mass-destruction weapons in terms of their capabilities, and in the event of full renunciation of nuclear weapons or radical reduction of nuclear potential, nations that are leaders in creating and producing high-precision systems will have a clear military advantage. Strategic parity will be disrupted, and this is likely to bring destabilization. The use of a so-called first global pre-emptive strike may become tempting. In short, the risks do not decrease, but intensify.

    The next obvious threat is the further escalation of ethnic, religious, and social conflicts. Such conflicts are dangerous not only as such, but also because they create zones of anarchy, lawlessness, and chaos around them, places that are comfortable for terrorists and criminals, where piracy, human trafficking, and drug trafficking flourish.

    Incidentally, at the time, our colleagues tried to somehow manage these processes, use regional conflicts and design ‘color revolutions’ to suit their interests, but the genie escaped the bottle. It looks like the controlled chaos theory fathers themselves do not know what to do with it; there is disarray in their ranks.

    We closely follow the discussions by both the ruling elite and the expert community. It is enough to look at the headlines of the Western press over the last year. The same people are called fighters for democracy, and then Islamists; first they write about revolutions and then call them riots and upheavals. The result is obvious: the further expansion of global chaos.

    Colleagues, given the global situation, it is time to start agreeing on fundamental things. This is incredibly important and necessary; this is much better than going back to our own corners. The more we all face common problems, the more we find ourselves in the same boat, so to speak. And the logical way out is in cooperation between nations, societies, in finding collective answers to increasing challenges, and in joint risk management. Granted, some of our partners, for some reason, remember this only when it suits their interests.

    Practical experience shows that joint answers to challenges are not always a panacea; and we need to understand this. Moreover, in most cases, they are hard to reach; it is not easy to overcome the differences in national interests, the subjectivity of different approaches, particularly when it comes to nations with different cultural and historical traditions. But nevertheless, we have examples when, having common goals and acting based on the same criteria, together we achieved real success.

    Let me remind you about solving the problem of chemical weapons in Syria, and the substantive dialogue on the Iranian nuclear program, as well as our work on North Korean issues, which also has some positive results. Why can’t we use this experience in the future to solve local and global challenges?
    What could be the legal, political, and economic basis for a new world order that would allow for stability and security, while encouraging healthy competition, not allowing the formation of new monopolies that hinder development? It is unlikely that someone could provide absolutely exhaustive, ready-made solutions right now. We will need extensive work with participation by a wide range of governments, global businesses, civil society, and such expert platforms as ours.

    However, it is obvious that success and real results are only possible if key participants in international affairs can agree on harmonizing basic interests, on reasonable self-restraint, and set the example of positive and responsible leadership. We must clearly identify where unilateral actions end and we need to apply multilateral mechanisms, and as part of improving the effectiveness of international law, we must resolve the dilemma between the actions by international community to ensure security and human rights and the principle of national sovereignty and non-interference in the internal affairs of any state.

    Those very collisions increasingly lead to arbitrary external interference in complex internal processes, and time and again, they provoke dangerous conflicts between leading global players. The issue of maintaining sovereignty becomes almost paramount in maintaining and strengthening global stability.

    Clearly, discussing the criteria for the use of external force is extremely difficult; it is practically impossible to separate it from the interests of particular nations. However, it is far more dangerous when there are no agreements that are clear to everyone, when no clear conditions are set for necessary and legal interference.

    I will add that international relations must be based on international law, which itself should rest on moral principles such as justice, equality and truth. Perhaps most important is respect for one’s partners and their interests. This is an obvious formula, but simply following it could radically change the global situation.

    I am certain that if there is a will, we can restore the effectiveness of the international and regional institutions system. We do not even need to build anything anew, from the scratch; this is not a “greenfield,” especially since the institutions created after World War II are quite universal and can be given modern substance, adequate to manage the current situation.

    This is true of improving the work of the UN, whose central role is irreplaceable, as well as the OSCE, which, over the course of 40 years, has proven to be a necessary mechanism for ensuring security and cooperation in the Euro-Atlantic region. I must say that even now, in trying to resolve the crisis in southeast Ukraine, the OSCE is playing a very positive role.

    In light of the fundamental changes in the international environment, the increase in uncontrollability and various threats, we need a new global consensus of responsible forces. It’s not about some local deals or a division of spheres of influence in the spirit of classic diplomacy, or somebody’s complete global domination. I think that we need a new version of interdependence. We should not be afraid of it. On the contrary, this is a good instrument for harmonizing positions.

    This is particularly relevant given the strengthening and growth of certain regions on the planet, which process objectively requires institutionalization of such new poles, creating powerful regional organizations and developing rules for their interaction. Cooperation between these centers would seriously add to the stability of global security, policy and economy. But in order to establish such a dialogue, we need to proceed from the assumption that all regional centers and integration projects forming around them need to have equal rights to development, so that they can complement each other and nobody can force them into conflict or opposition artificially. Such destructive actions would break down ties between states, and the states themselves would be subjected to extreme hardship, or perhaps even total destruction.

    I would like to remind you of the last year’s events. We have told our American and European partners that hasty backstage decisions, for example, on Ukraine’s association with the EU, are fraught with serious risks to the economy. We didn’t even say anything about politics; we spoke only about the economy, saying that such steps, made without any prior arrangements, touch on the interests of many other nations, including Russia as Ukraine’s main trade partner, and that a wide discussion of the issues is necessary. Incidentally, in this regard, I will remind you that, for example, the talks on Russia’s accession to the WTO lasted 19 years. This was very difficult work, and a certain consensus was reached.

    Why am I bringing this up? Because in implementing Ukraine’s association project, our partners would come to us with their goods and services through the back gate, so to speak, and we did not agree to this, nobody asked us about this. We had discussions on all topics related to Ukraine’s association with the EU, persistent discussions, but I want to stress that this was done in an entirely civilized manner, indicating possible problems, showing the obvious reasoning and arguments. Nobody wanted to listen to us and nobody wanted to talk. They simply told us: this is none of your business, point, end of discussion. Instead of a comprehensive but – I stress – civilized dialogue, it all came down to a government overthrow; they plunged the country into chaos, into economic and social collapse, into a civil war with enormous casualties.

    Why? When I ask my colleagues why, they no longer have an answer; nobody says anything. That’s it. Everyone’s at a loss, saying it just turned out that way. Those actions should not have been encouraged – it wouldn’t have worked. After all (I already spoke about this), former Ukrainian President Yanukovych signed everything, agreed with everything. Why do it? What was the point? What is this, a civilized way of solving problems? Apparently, those who constantly throw together new ‘color revolutions’ consider themselves ‘brilliant artists’ and simply cannot stop.

    I am certain that the work of integrated associations, the cooperation of regional structures, should be built on a transparent, clear basis; the Eurasian Economic Union’s formation process is a good example of such transparency. The states that are parties to this project informed their partners of their plans in advance, specifying the parameters of our association, the principles of its work, which fully correspond with the World Trade Organization rules.

    I will add that we would also have welcomed the start of a concrete dialogue between the Eurasian and European Union. Incidentally, they have almost completely refused us this as well, and it is also unclear why – what is so scary about it?

    And, of course, with such joint work, we would think that we need to engage in dialogue (I spoke about this many times and heard agreement from many of our western partners, at least in Europe) on the need to create a common space for economic and humanitarian cooperation stretching all the way from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean.

    Colleagues, Russia made its choice. Our priorities are further improving our democratic and open economy institutions, accelerated internal development, taking into account all the positive modern trends in the world, and consolidating society based on traditional values and patriotism.

    We have an integration-oriented, positive, peaceful agenda; we are working actively with our colleagues in the Eurasian Economic Union, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, BRICS and other partners. This agenda is aimed at developing ties between governments, not dissociating. We are not planning to cobble together any blocs or get involved in an exchange of blows.

    The allegations and statements that Russia is trying to establish some sort of empire, encroaching on the sovereignty of its neighbors, are groundless. Russia does not need any kind of special, exclusive place in the world – I want to emphasize this. While respecting the interests of others, we simply want for our own interests to be taken into account and for our position to be respected.

    We are well aware that the world has entered an era of changes and global transformations, when we all need a particular degree of caution, the ability to avoid thoughtless steps. In the years after the Cold War, participants in global politics lost these qualities somewhat. Now, we need to remember them. Otherwise, hopes for a peaceful, stable development will be a dangerous illusion, while today’s turmoil will simply serve as a prelude to the collapse of world order.

    Yes, of course, I have already said that building a more stable world order is a difficult task. We are talking about long and hard work. We were able to develop rules for interaction after World War II, and we were able to reach an agreement in Helsinki in the 1970s. Our common duty is to resolve this fundamental challenge at this new stage of development.

    Thank you very much for your attention.

    Source: http://www.infowars.com/putin-to-wes...-time-is-over/
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    It is an excellent article that should be required reading throughout the western world.

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    Outstanding post. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. Putin will not allow the hidden controllers to control Russia - he will act with his best wisdom to guide his country towards what is beneficial, while the USA and its lackeys say he is "evil". Russia recently banned GMOs. Many things done in the world are to give warnings to countries that do not tow the line of hidden controller plans.

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    From what I am hearing there has been a major uptick in the "Multi-Earth Shadow Governments & Break Away Groups Civil War". Some CRAZY and Amazing things have been happening in our Sol System recently,"It appears things will get worse before they get better" (Direct quote from a source).

    Within a Secret Government/Shadow Group in the West which is among the various Secret Earth Governments and a "Tentacle" most often referred to as the "Cabal" there has been a surge in "Tying up loose Ends". One should expect another sadistic and cleansing round of "Unexplained Disappearances", Suspicious "Suicides", "Murder Suicides", Random "Murders", "Heart Attacks", "Strokes" and thier recent favorites "Car and Plane Crashes"...

    They may get creative in other ways or even more overt as sychopaths do when they get desperate. Their main operatives see that many of their "Elites" have gone into hiding (Or think they have) and left them with orders to clean house and if they "Go Down" use their dooms day weapons and do as much damage as possible as this mortally wounded and cornered "Beast" can... And this is only one of the major Ruling Class/Secret Governments (That transcends any one country and borders) that has an Agenda and are fighting as hard as they can to remain relevant after an upcoming "Event".

    Admittedly this makes for good Sci-fy and is a beautiful breading ground for dis-information. It just happens to be similar information coming from several different Military Intel Groups, Major US Defence Contractor Corporations, State FEMA/DHS informants who serve on Federal Intelligence Committees among other Researchers information. Put them all together and I wouldn't say this is "Veted Information" but "corroborated Information" which does not insure it's accuracy by any means.

    The BRICS Alliance Groups as the VERY Controversial Ben Fulford put it have a lot to get straight and make sure we do not trade the Western Cabal Criminal Totalitarian Group for China's Communist Totalitarian Group Rule (All of whom have evil human rights histories)...

    As I stated on my Thread about the Secret Space Programs and Secret Earth Governments and the Battle for the Financial System... UNTIL there is Disclosure of Free Energy and Healing Technologies to the public... There will alwasy be a need for this established "Babylonian Black Majic Money Slave System" that we have always lived under. Once these technologies are released there will be NO NEED FOR ANY TYPE OF CURRENCY OR FINANCIAL SYSTEM... As Humans brain washed into this system we have a hard time wrapping our minds around that concept... A WORLD WITH OUT MONEY? WITH OUT DEBT? How would that work? It would also be a new era of living without illness, pain (Physical/Emotional), Learning our true history in this Cosmos... Begin to travel and meet "Others" who have been watching us for a long time waiting for this time... The Truth of each of OUR power of Consciousness and Importance to eachother... You keep pondering and adding to the list. I guarantee the list is long.

    How do we get there? How will Disclosure take place? This is what this "Shadow Civil War" is all about... (IMHO, or "How the Story Goes", Choose to believe or not, to participate or not... It is the beauty and responsibility of free will)


    NOTE: These really are confusing times, develope your discernment and trust it.

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    If the plan is in accordance with what the designer set or not, if that speech is within the globalist project or not, even if not all parts are as 'should', it makes no difference in the category 'we': **** in the fan in full 'mode' for the slaves on the farm, we the people. The Comfort Zone is getting very tight. This battle is primarily spiritual.

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    9,000 years ago Enoch predicted this time with Russia , they would attack Canada , Scandinavia , and the U.S. and China would partner with Russia to take down America ... America will have to defend herself on both sides as well as abroad with her many conflicts , then two civil wars the second follows shortly after the first , then the country is divided into five sectors , a man stealing a piece of bread will pay for it with his life , as all food and medicine is rationed ... it is triggered when a pope no longer resides in Rome ...
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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    9,000 years ago Enoch predicted this time with Russia , they would attack Canada , Scandinavia , and the U.S. and China would partner with Russia to take down America ... America will have to defend herself on both sides as well as abroad with her many conflicts , then two civil wars the second follows shortly after the first , then the country is divided into five sectors , a man stealing a piece of bread will pay for it with his life , as all food and medicine is rationed ... it is triggered when a pope no longer resides in Rome ...
    Wasnt it in billys notes that russia will rush over denmark to conquer scandinavia in a very short time?
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    Quote Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)


    The BRICS Alliance Groups as the VERY Controversial Ben Fulford put it have a lot to get straight and make sure we do not trade the Western Cabal Criminal Totalitarian Group for China's Communist Totalitarian Group Rule (All of whom have evil human rights histories)...

    How do we get there? How will Disclosure take place? This is what this "Shadow Civil War" is all about... (IMHO, or "How the Story Goes", Choose to believe or not, to participate or not... It is the beauty and responsibility of free will)

    Certainly my friend.

    People will have to make a decision.

    The shock will be great among the zombies (the vast majority).

    Here in Brazil the government leftist PT (Workers Party) of newly re-elected Dilma Rousseff, is trying to eliminate freedoms ways that expose their criminal government. The São Paulo Forum is a prov that socialist ideas are alive and well here.

    Secret societies of São Paulo (Brazil's main city) are few, old and reactionary, and are controlled by the Jesuits which clearly carry the socialist flag and other parts controlled by Opus Day. The esoteric dialectic, right x left. Therefore, more than one gang.

    The good news here is that we do not have a police / giant technological state of security as the USA and some of his accomplices. . Not yet.


    Naste.
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    The thing they don't understand is..... as humanity changes and moves into these new spaces, there is nothing to win, there is nothing at the end of the endgame. Nothing at all. Only the stain of shame that will last many lifetimes - at best.

    The more a being knows this, and continues anyway, the more of their 'self' will end up on the cutting room floor and possess no future, no continuance. Nothing but being converted to neutralized energy. There is no doubling down here, only 'loss of all' lies at the end of any form of continuance.
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    On the other hand, puppets globalist with public profile, wants a head of Russian President Putin.

    Quote Putin's Head

    Who will remove the head of Russian President Putin and offer it on a platter to the U.S.?

    Quote By Vasily Koltashov and Boris Kagarlitsky (Vasily Koltashov is Head of the Centre for Economic Research at the Moscow-based Institute of Globalisation and Social Movements (IGSO). Boris Kagarlitsky is the Director of IGSO.
    October 29, 2014 "ICH" - "Rabble" - Editorial, by Vasily Koltashov and Boris Kagarlitsky, in Rabkor (Worker Correspondent), Oct 10, 2014, translated from the original Russian by Gaither Stewart

    It seems that Russian authorities have found a way towards accommodation with the West. Liberals have become more powerful and are leading the talks.[1] They are ready to make concessions and see no problem in the sacrifice of Novorossiya, and, if necessary, even Russia’s own interests. There’s just one remaining question: who will remove the Russian president’s head and present it on a platter to the USA?

    Negotiations between Russia and the West about ending the “sanctions war” and resolving the crisis in Ukraine are moving full speed ahead. This was spoken of in October at the G20 finance ministers’ talks in the USA. The Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov discussed the subject with Secretary of State John Kerry. The Ukrainian question will be a major subject for many participants at the G20 summit in Australia next month. Although Russian authorities deny they will ask for revocation of the sanctions, talks are underway about this issue. It was precisely for this that Moscow began the dialogue with the West, reduced its criticism of the Kiev regime, allowed the latter’s military forces time to regroup by agreeing to the Minsk ceasefire and blocked delivery of ammunition to Novorossiya. And also obliged dependent Donetsk political leaders to accept compromising decisions smacking of one-sided capitulation. Field commanders and the people of the Donbass will never accept these conditions, but the Russian elite is not yet aware of this since it has a poor understanding of what “the people” really amounts to.

    Already in August, the EU ambassador in Moscow remarked that the sanctions could be revoked. The Minsk talks showed that Russian authorities had begun bargaining with their Western partners and were ready for concessions. Moscow’s goodwill was expressed in its reductions of supplies of weapons to Novorossiya, a purging within its political leadership and a distancing from its military leaders. Moscow is playing no small part in the weakening of the defensive capabilities of the territories in revolt. If talks with the West proceed successfully, then the Russian leadership will “concede”: it will permit troops of the Kiev government to begin a new attack, leaving the struggling Novorossiya without support.

    The presidential administration and government of Russia are working in agreement, without obvious contradictions. Everything points to a new strengthening of the liberal camp within the regime, and to the acceptance by Vladmir Putin of the liberals’ overall plan. And the blame lies with the economic situation, the markets, financial problems and the fears of the elites.

    This autumn, world oil prices sank unexpectedly sharply. By mid-October, the price of a barrel of “black gold” fell to US $85. Russia’s economic situation worsened swiftly, but no one in the government intends changing course. Although, in effect, precisely that course - long before the economic sanctions pushed Russia to its own economic sanctions - is the fundamental reason for the current difficulties. The governing circles count on the world market and refuse to develop the internal market, which would mean the search for a social compromise (concessions to workers). The reduction of imports in favor of domestic production and a radical change of personnel remain simply topics for conversation. The real work of the government is directed toward conciliation with the West in order to maintain the neoliberal course.

    Sanctions imposed by the USA, EU and other governments have proven to be effective. But this is not what undermined our economy, it was, rather, the fear by our elites. Sanctions showed Russia’s governing class its financial vulnerability. Still, precisely the fall in raw material prices on the global market was the signal for the elite that further exchange of sanctions was dangerous. The restriction of deliveries of Russian goods to the European market will contradict WTO regulations. But the introduction of such sanctions is very possible in conditions of a fall in demand and a growth of competition. The USA permitted Iranian hydrocarbons to [be shipped to] Europe, and Moscow lowered its tone. It is surrendering its positions and intends bargaining for stability instead. But if the state builds its economic policy on the export of raw materials, it will never be either independent or a really powerful player in international politics.

    However much we are told of “Russian imperialism”, contemporary Russia is above all a dependent, peripheral country, whose ruling class does not wish to carry out a transformation which would permit genuine independence and influence in the world. Such transformations would inevitably hurt the interests of the contemporary elite, or at least the interests of an important part of it.
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    Quote Posted by seehas (here)
    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    9,000 years ago Enoch predicted this time with Russia , they would attack Canada , Scandinavia , and the U.S. and China would partner with Russia to take down America ... America will have to defend herself on both sides as well as abroad with her many conflicts , then two civil wars the second follows shortly after the first , then the country is divided into five sectors , a man stealing a piece of bread will pay for it with his life , as all food and medicine is rationed ... it is triggered when a pope no longer resides in Rome ...
    Wasnt it in billys notes that russia will rush over denmark to conquer scandinavia in a very short time?
    Russia will attack Scandinavia and Canada and the U.S. their attacks against Canada and America will come thru Alaska ...http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Bil...7s_candidature

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    Quote The BRICS Alliance Groups as the VERY Controversial Ben Fulford put it
    This is so laughable... the more accurate Ben becomes, the more the deniers have to invest in their denial...

    it's called cognitive dissonance... get over it... if you want to be a truth seeker, you are just going to have to get over it... it's just painfully annoying watching people today split their personalities in order to maintain their incorrect suppositions... it took years to pull people's heads out of their arses to even listen to Ben on this forum...

    Just look at what you are posting! the hypocrisy and self delusion is too much... LOL... his info is "controversial" in the same paragraph of "serious" reference to "Solar Secret Government breakaway societies"??? Just call it what it is ... A crime syndicate based US government that has been operating since before the 2nd world war that shot their own publicly elected president in the head on live television for f***s sake...

    wake up...
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    In long term operations of any kind, be it war, espionage, economic warfare, whatever the case....unilateral and/or accelerated behavior (the 'final big push' kinda thing) emerges in endgame scenarios, when either all hope of desired outcome is in threat of failure...or... there are large chances of desired outcome.

    In the middle bits, it's a bit trickier to discern as the battle is more pitched, more...unsure. Final outcomes are more murky, so some form of controls, and stable, limited systems of engagement are the norm. (regionalized, systems of formalities, and so on)

    Logically... IF..the USA (or opposed systems and entities) and what is behind it, are moving unilaterally and in extremes: It is a case where desired outcome is either threatened or assured.

    Consider analyzing while wearing that given set of glasses, and a clearer picture may emerge.
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    *smh Excellent reading, indeed. Barack Obama,his neocon controllers and Bibi Netanyahoo better understand who they're ****ing with. Vladimir Putin is no joke.

    I just hope the man can pull humanity back from the brink of thermonuclear war.

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    These are dangerous times.

    America is bankrupt and manipulating all the key economic markets
    to try to prevent the whole shebang from collapsing into a major depression.
    (bye-bye free markets)

    At the same time, America's power to do this is declining rapidly.
    Now that the rest of the world is beginning to refusing to recogise the
    dollar as the world's reserve currency, the value of the dollar, already
    debased by trillions of FED money printing, is going down the pan.

    So i'm guessing.. the orchestrators of the NWO plans are trying to
    push them to completion so that they're not sat at the helm of
    a sinking ship.... when it sinks.
    So this is the decline of empire scenario... of desparate moves
    and risky, ill-concieved gambits.

    This might be viewed as the end of the world scenario.
    Just imagine a few hundred nukes fired from each side
    and we have a major extinction event.. and about a
    90% population reduction. The convenience of living
    in western cities.. suddenly loses its appeal.

    However, there's some reason for thinking that an
    all out nuclear war wont be _allowed_ to occur.
    At least some groups of ETs dont want that and
    have gone to some lengths to disable warheads
    either in silos or actually in the air.

    So we're down to a conventional war of tanks,
    troops and high flying bombers. It's not clear
    to me that America could win a conventional
    war against Russia... on Russian soil. That's a
    long way to haul men and machinery, it's a long
    way to call for reinforcements and additional supplies.
    And if the Chinese decide to support their northern
    ally with men and machinery... well.. history recalls
    what happened in Vietnam.

    I doubt that the american public would be happy to see
    so many of her sons and daughters killed in action...
    but i'm sure the american media wouldn't show anything
    too shocking, or too objective (I hear CNN's coverage
    of the slaughter of the Palestinian civilians was an
    object lesson in propoganda).

    Perhaps what we'll see now is the USA orchestrating
    wars by leaning on weaker nations, like the europeans,
    to do her fighting for her. The USA has already managed
    to marshal the europeans to levy sanctions against Russia.
    (At great cost to those Europeans). My betting is
    that the USA will use South Korea and Japan to instigate
    something against North Korea and/or China.

    Perhaps Simon Parkes was right, when he predicted that
    the next few years until the end of 2016, are going to be 'tough'.
    Dangerous times... more bad things are going to happen.

    So.. can anyone give me any advice about migrating to Iceland ?

    be happy

    lucidity :-)
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    Quote Posted by lucidity (here)
    These are dangerous times.

    America is bankrupt and manipulating all the key economic markets
    to try to prevent the whole shebang from collapsing into a major depression.
    (bye-bye free markets)

    At the same time, America's power to do this is declining rapidly.
    Now that the rest of the world is beginning to refusing to recogise the
    dollar as the world's reserve currency, the value of the dollar, already
    debased by trillions of FED money printing, is going down the pan.

    So i'm guessing.. the orchestrators of the NWO plans are trying to
    push them to completion so that they're not sat at the helm of
    a sinking ship.... when it sinks.
    So this is the decline of empire scenario... of desparate moves
    and risky, ill-concieved gambits.

    This might be viewed as the end of the world scenario.
    Just imagine a few hundred nukes fired from each side
    and we have a major extinction event.. and about a
    90% population reduction. The convenience of living
    in western cities.. suddenly loses its appeal.

    However, there's some reason for thinking that an
    all out nuclear war wont be _allowed_ to occur.
    At least some groups of ETs dont want that and
    have gone to some lengths to disable warheads
    either in silos or actually in the air.

    So we're down to a conventional war of tanks,
    troops and high flying bombers. It's not clear
    to me that America could win a conventional
    war against Russia... on Russian soil. That's a
    long way to haul men and machinery, it's a long
    way to call for reinforcements and additional supplies.
    And if the Chinese decide to support their northern
    ally with men and machinery... well.. history recalls
    what happened in Vietnam.

    I doubt that the american public would be happy to see
    so many of her sons and daughters killed in action...
    but i'm sure the american media wouldn't show anything
    too shocking, or too objective (I hear CNN's coverage
    of the slaughter of the Palestinian civilians was an
    object lesson in propoganda).

    Perhaps what we'll see now is the USA orchestrating
    wars by leaning on weaker nations, like the europeans,
    to do her fighting for her. The USA has already managed
    to marshal the europeans to levy sanctions against Russia.
    (At great cost to those Europeans). My betting is
    that the USA will use South Korea and Japan to instigate
    something against North Korea and/or China.

    Perhaps Simon Parkes was right, when he predicted that
    the next few years until the end of 2016, are going to be 'tough'.
    Dangerous times... more bad things are going to happen.

    So.. can anyone give me any advice about migrating to Iceland ?

    be happy

    lucidity :-)

    well 2 things come to mind re: Iceland.

    1) It's cold.

    2) It's only a 5-hour flight from NYC, so there's that

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    Quote Posted by naste.de.lumina (here)
    A unilateral diktat and imposing one’s own models produces the opposite result


    3. The builders of the New World Order have failed, having built a sand castle. Whether or not a new world order of any sort is to be built is not just Russia’s decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia.
    This comment stood out for me, I think Putin is spot on. It is the tide and waves that makes the sand castle collapse.


    The Collapse of the NWO agenda, will be caused by a Tidal Wave of Consciousness.

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    Not worried about a nuke holocaust, just don't see it in the cards... (not economically feasible for the 1%, underground bases or not...) maybe a neutron bomb holocaust... (hmm...) Anyhow, Putin is spelling it out... he would rather avoid a war of assassins (Kill Bill on Steroids) i.e. Global Gang Warfare, as that will have it's own cost. (like in Dune - Kanly, but without rules)

    But if that is all the Vatican, UK, US can do... because they are so rotten to the core, so be it... there are enough Russians and Chinese abroad, they will go for it, and I dare say the Japanese will be in... (a chance for payback...) It will be like SPECTRE vs CHAOS. And actually I'd love to see that, because that means RICH IMPORTANT people get to die horrible, disgusting deaths too for a change.

    He is just accepting the fact that the West can't be trusted ever... (can you blame him???) Pure pragmatism, he's taking the moral high ground, and the longer term view... which also makes sense... he's peering into the future...

    And calling a spade a spade...




    on another note:
    OH REALLY? Where the hell is the apology! Last I checked the protocol when a mistake is made is to apologize AND CORRECT THE MISTAKE... We are talking huge liability issues here, this "mistake" just costed this planet a couple trillion dollars, not to mention lost lives... (but then again, we were told there were "already dead" bodies on that plane, weren't we... (?))

    Apart from the propaganda machine, technically this makes the US look like utter and complete fools (as well as scumbags), not that I think anything will completely unplug their toilet plunging MEDIA MIND CONTROL

    Germany Clears Russia In MH17 Case, Leaving Kiev Looking Guilty As Sin!

    Germans Clear Russia in MH-17 Case
    October 20, 2014
    Quote Exclusive: For months, Western governments and media have accused Russia of supplying the anti-aircraft missile that brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 killing 298 people. But now German intelligence has reportedly determined the missile came from a Ukrainian military base, writes Robert Parry.

    The West’s case blaming Russia for the shoot-down of a Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine last July appears to be crumbling as the German foreign intelligence agency has concluded that the anti-aircraft missile battery involved came from a Ukrainian military base, according to a report by the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel.
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    Quote Posted by lucidity (here)
    So we're down to a conventional war of tanks,
    troops and high flying bombers. It's not clear
    to me that America could win a conventional
    war against Russia... on Russian soil. That's a
    long way to haul men and machinery, it's a long
    way to call for reinforcements and additional supplies.
    And if the Chinese decide to support their northern
    ally with men and machinery... well.. history recalls
    what happened in Vietnam.

    I doubt that the american public would be happy to see
    so many of her sons and daughters killed in action...
    but i'm sure the american media wouldn't show anything
    too shocking, or too objective (I hear CNN's coverage
    of the slaughter of the Palestinian civilians was an
    object lesson in propoganda).
    In my view you are forgetting the possibility that Russia would have to bring a conventional war to American soil.

    Who can guarantee that such a conflict would only Russian soil?

    The facts that led to america not having to fight their wars on American soil since before the first world war,
    were completely circumstantial and are not guarantees of anything in that sense.

    It would be a very great delusion to think that in a such conflict, Americans would see the war only through images of the Fox / CNN.
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    Quote Posted by sigma6 (here)
    Not worried about a nuke holocaust, just don't see it in the cards... (not economically feasible for the 1%, underground bases or not...) maybe a neutron bomb holocaust... (hmm...) Anyhow, Putin is spelling it out... he would rather avoid a war of assassins (Kill Bill on Steroids) i.e. Global Gang Warfare, as that will have it's own cost. (like in Dune - Kanly, but without rules)

    But if that is all the Vatican, UK, US can do... because they are so rotten to the core, so be it... there are enough Russians and Chinese abroad, they will go for it, and I dare say the Japanese will be in... (a chance for payback...) It will be like SPECTRE vs CHAOS. And actually I'd love to see that, because that means RICH IMPORTANT people get to die horrible, disgusting deaths too for a change.
    I can not forget the fact that many psychopaths who are pulling the strings, are skulls and bones.
    They feel horny in causing suffering.
    It's not human.



    Quote Posted by sigma6 (here)
    on another note:

    Germany Clears Russia In MH17 Case, Leaving Kiev Looking Guilty As Sin!

    OH REALLY? Where the hell is the apology! Last I checked the protocol when a mistake is made is to apologize AND CORRECT THE MISTAKE... We are talking huge liability issues here, this "mistake" just costed this planet a couple trillion dollars, not to mention lost lives... (but then again, we were told there were "already dead" bodies on that plane, weren't we... (?))
    Besides apologizing they should at least disclose information that led them to this conclusion. They would not hide information leading to real guilty right?
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