The UK government plans to (deep breath) ban knives

[jerry]

I read it and still cant believe it , and you wont either [The following post is by TDV Editor-In-Chief, Jeff Berwick]

"It's an unfortunate fact of life," said Les Gray of the Scottish Police Federation on knife crime. His focus was to deter it, but others in government had bigger ideas. The UK government plans on getting rid of knife crime altogether.

While in the US, Second Amendment advocates lament the gun control efforts of their government, Britain is even more advanced in making the world a safer place by quickly implementing so called “knife control.” First, its voluntary.

A new “Save a Life – Surrender Your Knife” program is in full effect in Britain and police are working to ban “pointy” knives. Lancashire Police reportedly have an “amnesty” program in place which started at the end of August in which “more than 800 knives have been handed in across the country - including swords, machetes, and commando knives.”

The department says that “officers have now given their backing to a national initiative designed to raise awareness of knife crime and encourage the surrender of dangerous weapons.”

Slaves Marching For Less Freedom

In the US gun buyback programs are a favorite of local governments to coax its citizens into giving over their guns. And, in some states, the police stake out funerals and then go to the deceased person's home afterwards to search for and, if found, confiscate their guns!

Back in the UK, "The Home Office is looking for ways to reduce knife crime. We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect."

BAN ALL THE THINGS!

Does anyone but me not find this to be complete nanny statist insanity??!!

We've taken away, by force, people's guns... now they are killing each other with kitchen knives! The solution: we must use our guns to take away their kitchen knives!

Clearly, if we can remove all knives from the world then no one will ever try to kill each other again. The knives are obviously the problem!

After all, when Lester gets home to Manchester after a weekend of drinking himself silly to watch his incredibly boring sport (soccer) and his team has lost and he is frustrated, drunk and angry and walks in on his wife in bed with Stuart from the coal mine... if there were no knives in the house the situation would just work itself out non-violently.

Right?

Well, if you are a government official or one of the pandering slaves who think that life would not work without being owned by someone and having them tell you what to do, then you would think that, yes, that should be the end of it!

That is, until Lester finds a hammer!

No problem, says the government. Then we'll just ban hammers.

Then people begin killing others with screwdrivers.

No problem, ban screwdrivers.

You can see pretty quickly where all this leads. By the end of it all, people in the UK will be eating meat with their hands in order to be able to chew it into edible pieces while living in cardboard shacks because tools of all makes have been banned.

But then people will start killing each other in fits of rage/passion with rocks.

Surely there must be a way to ban rocks in the UK... despite the fact that the entire country is just one big rock. Perhaps all hard objects will just have to go. After all, if we can get rid of hard items then there should be no more murder and crime.

Except, suffocation by plastic bags! No worry there, though, as those are already mostly outlawed under the population-control, genocidal United Nation's Agenda 21.

Sadly, this is not the first time I've written about the anti-knife initiative in the UK.

I wrote the following in 2009 during a similar drive to ban pointed culinary devices in my now retired personal blog:

BBC: Deaths up during anti-knife drive

According to the report, the number of knife deaths in areas targeted by an anti-knife crime scheme have risen, the Home Office has said. (they even call it the Home Office… can it be anymore obvious it is the exact same concept as the Stazi!)

If you don’t already get why this is so hilarious you really need to take some time to yourself and think about life and how you are missing out on what is going on.

I mean, a bunch of people were killed in the UK last year and a weapon of choice was knives. Sounds like a job for government!! Anti-knife campaign!!! That’ll stop people who have been so hurt by someone that they are infuriated and want to kill the person whom they deem responsible! Now, perhaps, thanks to this anti-knife campaign by the government, when this next happens, perhaps that person will think, hey, wait a minute. The government told me that knives are dangerous and bad. Perhaps I should use, I don’t know…. my car? a rock? my hammer?

However, if this campaign actually did work (impossible) and people started using hammers to get the revenge they are seeking, then we’ll have to sit through 2010’s UK anti-hammer campaign.

Possibly the funniest statement in this entire article is the final paragraph… a coup de grace!:

“Police stepped up searches and patrols in crime hotspots and ran courses to highlight the dangers of carrying knives. The results are mixed.”

Hahahahhahaa. I am so surprised that these courses aren’t working! I mean, if we can’t sit people down in a classroom for 2 hours and get them to realize that knives can kill people, what else can we do! I just hope the old saw about “running with scissors” doesn’t get forgotten in all this! And how exactly are the results “mixed”? The gov’t actually ran an anti-knife campaign and knife deaths went up. If this reporter was anything but a propagandist he would, based on the evidence, have to state that “the apparent result of the government run anti-knife campaign is to increase knife related incidents, perhaps due to raising awareness of the usefulness of knives as weapons to people who otherwise may not have considered it”.

Adding insult to injury, this NEWS about the knife program was offered up by the government news agency, BBC. If this wasn’t a government run news agency AND/OR a big media company (who owns the government) keeping the masses pacified then the headline should have obviously been, “Ridiculous Government Program Fails for 1,000,000th time in History”.

THE MORE THINGS CHANGE

As you can see, the more things change the more they stay the same. This is just the latest salvo in an anti-knife campaign that has been going on in the UK since at least 2009 with "mixed results".

It's good that in the colonies (the USSA), things aren't quite as bad yet as they are in the UK in terms of banning inanimate objects. In the US the socialist collective are still trying to get rid of guns out of the hands of "civilians". They still have the ridiculous idea of banning guns by having people on welfare (government employees) with guns go around and try to steal guns from productive people.

But, no matter the case, we must be close to approaching peak-statism. How much further can the state have control of people's lives before they finally reach their breaking point?

Especially in light of the fact that almost all state programs have the opposite result of their intention. The war on drugs? There is more drug use. The war on poverty? There is more poverty. Banning guns in places like Chicago? There is more gun related deaths. Trying to raise awareness about knife crime in the UK? Knife crime rises.

Wake me up if people in the West ever figure this all out. In the meantime I'll be eating steak with a beautiful, stainless steel serrated blade and polishing my guns in Anarchapulco.
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[KaiLee]

It's been a couple of decades (roughly) since Australia commenced knife legislation. It is an offence to carry a knife at all. Even a paring knife designed to cut fruit could get you in trouble. Kinves can not be sold to people under age 18. Not even a knife designed as a kitchen utensil.

I remember recently deciding that I wanted to take a knife with me to help eat fruit. I consciously chose to break the law. I wonder how wise it is for governments to make criminals of people who chose to use a cutting implement with food? I'm a law breaker, lol, doesn't that just encourage me to question other laws?

I'm guessing they will look back on some of these stupid laws and realise how self defeating they were.

[jerry]

Wow, I would of never ???? just how far behind the times am I . #Here in the US we are living on borrowed time . I constantly see headlines of kids suspended from schools for the mocking having a gun , drawing weapons, ect . We need a revolution yesterday, although with Ferguson it may begin tomorrow literally.

[Pam]

Posted by KaiLee (here)
It's been a couple of decades (roughly) since Australia commenced knife legislation. It is an offence to carry a knife at all. Even a paring knife designed to cut fruit could get you in trouble. Kinves can not be sold to people under age 18. Not even a knife designed as a kitchen utensil.

I remember recently deciding that I wanted to take a knife with me to help eat fruit. I consciously chose to break the law. I wonder how wise it is for governments to make criminals of people who chose to use a cutting implement with food? I'm a law breaker, lol, doesn't that just encourage me to question other laws?


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I'm guessing they will look back on some of these stupid laws and realise how self defeating they were.

You have a really good point here, KaiLee. When laws become so abundant and arbitrary, that your average citizen chooses to disobey these laws, doesn't that create a state of disrespect and laws begin to loose their power to control?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

You can legally carry a sword on your hip where i live haha. no sword deaths reported by local media in the 12 years ive been here. Poor Britts

[Nasu]

I love England. I love the people, I love the lush landscape and I love it's rich history. It's laws regarding self protection are beyond crazy, way beyond, IMHO. If you have the misfortune to be attacked in England you have five choices to make in a blink of an eye:

1. firstly you can run away, if you CAN run away.

2. Second you could defend yourself with your arms or legs, but only if you are untrained in any martial arts, if trained those limbs are now weapons and can be classed as such...

3. Third you could improvise a weapon, you could pick up a rock, heavy ashtray, lamp stand, etc, or any item close at hand, but NOT any item designed or used or resembling a weapon.

IF you do use an object it will go through two legal filters, so to speak, these are "reasonable force" eg, was your force reasonable, given the situation? Obviously three different people will have three different ideas on what reasonable force IS, the second law you run up against is "an offensive weapon" was your choice of implement used to defend yourself an offensive weapon? What is classed as an offensive weapon? Any weapon can be used both offensively or defensively, but in this narrow definition it means any item that is designed or reproducing the look of a weapon. However it goes much further than obvious so called offensive weapons like spear, halberd, mace, sword, buckler, whip, club, knife, gun, cannon, tank, fighter jet, nuke, etc, it also includes your cricket bat or old chair leg that you keep beside your bed, just in case, the fact that it is by your bed, for the purpose of what if, implies its designation as an offensive weapon...

4. Call the police, try to talk your way out of your predicament, hope the police arrive before you die. First best legal course of action...

5. Succumb to whatever has befallen you with grace and dignity, die. Second best legal course of action...

I would not be surprised to see cub scouts and boy scouts and the like banned, the very idea of a young person being trained and prepared and carrying a pocket knife or Swiss army knife, will be an amusing footnote in the country's forgotten history of independence and self determination...

Would the last Englishman please turn off the lights before you leave.... N

[Snowflower]

Holy crap. Stop the world, I want to get off.

[jerry]

Im with snowflower .....lets go!

Posted by Snowflower (here)
Holy crap. Stop the world, I want to get off.

[Operator]

Well, the Chinese were successful with this ... that's why they eat with chopsticks today ... seriously !

[sigma6]

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More band aid solutions from an institution in denial
(as their hypocrisy, and parasitism is the real cause of the problem)

knives don't kill by themselves...

it's the demented state of consciousness of the tool user...





Knock, knock...

who's there?...


THOUGHT POLICE...





YOUR UNDER ARREST!

[sigma6]

The US government is unique, and holds great potential, but most will never be able to tap into that uniqueness as more and more succumb to the ever growing statutory law movement, it has taken "them" over a hundred years to implement, maybe two hundred.

But the trust law principles, which was and still is the original foundation, are being buried and hidden (kept for the elite and privately educated) ...you are getting the McDonald's version... corporate regulations and codes under military jurisdiction (which is what a corporation is... a form of military structure, a pyramid of social organization designed to concentrate power at the top...

Learn to govern yourself, or prepare to have foam rubber pads installed everywhere in your life to protect you from yourself... the government is "identifying" people according to a more and more limited number of labels... "terrorists" "enemies of the state" "belligerents" "incompetents" "officers" ....

which category do you fit into?

read on a fortune cookie: "the governments may sleep, but the laws never die" (or something like that...)

[Nasu]

Posted by Operator (here)
Well, the Chinese were successful with this ... that's why they eat with chopsticks today ... seriously !

Is that really true about the chopsticks? There are a lot more Chinese restaurants in England, now you mention it.... N

[Realeyes]

After reading the OP to hubby, he began to list a long number of tools in his shed that will have to be banned too as they can turn a rounded knife into a point.

Yep the rules in the UK are beyond belief - the way the government is dishing laws out is breathtaking (please remember the people have no say in such matters). I think the govvernment should jump to the chase and be done with it and make a law to simply ban breathing and show their true colours.

[Operator]

Posted by Nasu (here)

Posted by Operator (here)
Well, the Chinese were successful with this ... that's why they eat with chopsticks today ... seriously !

Is that really true about the chopsticks? There are a lot more Chinese restaurants in England, now you mention it.... N

Well you never know nowadays but it has been told to me as a true story ... !

[Nasu]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by Nasu (here)

Posted by Operator (here)
Well, the Chinese were successful with this ... that's why they eat with chopsticks today ... seriously !

Is that really true about the chopsticks? There are a lot more Chinese restaurants in England, now you mention it.... N

Well you never know nowadays but it has been told to me as a true story ... !

Hmmmn. Interesting. Confucius he say, no knives at the table pwease....

http://www.history.com/news/hungry-h...-of-chopsticks

We’ve discussed the story of the knife and fork, but there’s another set of utensils used by billions of people around the world—and it has a truly ancient past. The Chinese have been wielding chopsticks since at least 1200 B.C., and by A.D. 500 the slender batons had swept the Asian continent from Vietnam to Japan. From their humble beginnings as cooking utensils to paper-wrapped bamboo sets at the sushi counter, there’s more to chopsticks than meets the eye.

The fabled ruins of Yin, in Henan province, provided not only the earliest examples of Chinese writing but also the first known chopsticks—bronze sets found in tombs at the site. Capable of reaching deep into boiling pots of water or oil, early chopsticks were used mainly for cooking. It wasn’t until A.D. 400 that people began eating with the utensils. This happened when a population boom across China sapped resources and forced cooks to develop cost-saving habits. They began chopping food into smaller pieces that required less cooking fuel—and happened to be perfect for the tweezers-like grip of chopsticks.

As food became bite-sized, knives became more or less obsolete. Their decline—and chopsticks’ ascent—also came courtesy of Confucius. As a vegetarian, he believed that sharp utensils at the dinner table would remind eaters of the slaughterhouse. He also thought that knives’ sharp points evoked violence and warfare, killing the happy, contended mood that should reign during meals. Thanks in part to his teachings, chopstick use quickly became widespread throughout Asia.

Different cultures adopted different chopstick styles. Perhaps in a nod to Confucius, Chinese chopsticks featured a blunt rather than pointed end. In Japan, chopsticks were 8 inches long for men and 7 inches long for women. In 1878 the Japanese became the first to create the now-ubiquitous disposable set, typically made of bamboo or wood. Wealthy diners could eat with ivory, jade, coral, brass or agate versions, while the most privileged used silver sets. It was believed that the silver would corrode and turn black if it came into contact with poisoned food.

Throughout history, chopsticks have enjoyed a symbiotic relationship with another staple of Asian cuisine: rice. Naturally, eating with chopsticks lends itself to some types of food more than others. At first glance, you’d think that rice wouldn’t make the cut, but in Asia most rice is of the short- or medium-grain variety. The starches in these rices create a cooked product that is gummy and clumpy, unlike the fluffy and distinct grains of Western long-grain rice. As chopsticks come together to lift steaming bundles of sticky rice, it’s a match made in heaven.

[Simonm]

As a Brit, involved with Bushcraft skills and part of my son's scout group, I have given talks on knife safety and taught the group the safe and practical use of the tool commonly known as a knife. I own a beautiful hand made Puukko knife, made for me in Finland by a very skilled maker. Beautiful carbon steel blade and a stunning hand made burly ash handle. It's razor sharp and I could shave with it, it's a very effective tool.

I took along a hammer, my plastering trowel, a screwdriver and a pencil. I held up my knife and asked the small group what they thought of it, most said it was plainly a knife, but interestingly a couple said things like "offensive weapon" "dangerous" etc. I asked them why and they said because it was sharp enough to kill. I agreed, but then went on to explain the every item I took (the tools) could kill someone. Once I explained that yes, the knife could kill it is only a dangerous weapon in the mind of the person using it. It's primary function is to use it cut whatever substance you require it to cut. That maybe wood, for feather sticks, or skin off an animal, veg prep etc etc.

After we had finished everyone of them knew how to use it safely and had demonstrated it's safe and effective use and handling. I had no complaints from parents on teaching their kids safe use of such a tool. In fact I had support from all those that contacted me in proper use of such a tool. I obviously gave a talk on how knives must never be used as a weapon etc.

Trouble with UK govmnt ruling is it doesn't ever think things through, merely acts with a massive knee jerk reaction and tries to impose a full ban on any given object. Thing is, the vast majority of sheeple here in the UK believe what they are told by the MSM and then go back to x factor or big brother and question little. As the jam said "The people get what the people want"

[jerry]

What will they do with professional boxers whose hands are considered lethal........ just askin

[Nasu]

Posted by Simonm (here)
As a Brit, involved with Bushcraft skills and part of my son's scout group, I have given talks on knife safety and taught the group the safe and practical use of the tool commonly known as a knife. I own a beautiful hand made Puukko knife, made for me in Finland by a very skilled maker. Beautiful carbon steel blade and a stunning hand made burly ash handle. It's razor sharp and I could shave with it, it's a very effective tool.

I took along a hammer, my plastering trowel, a screwdriver and a pencil. I held up my knife and asked the small group what they thought of it, most said it was plainly a knife, but interestingly a couple said things like "offensive weapon" "dangerous" etc. I asked them why and they said because it was sharp enough to kill. I agreed, but then went on to explain the every item I took (the tools) could kill someone. Once I explained that yes, the knife could kill it is only a dangerous weapon in the mind of the person using it. It's primary function is to use it cut whatever substance you require it to cut. That maybe wood, for feather sticks, or skin off an animal, veg prep etc etc.

After we had finished everyone of them knew how to use it safely and had demonstrated it's safe and effective use and handling. I had no complaints from parents on teaching their kids safe use of such a tool. In fact I had support from all those that contacted me in proper use of such a tool. I obviously gave a talk on how knives must never be used as a weapon etc.

Trouble with UK govmnt ruling is it doesn't ever think things through, merely acts with a massive knee jerk reaction and tries to impose a full ban on any given object. Thing is, the vast majority of sheeple here in the UK believe what they are told by the MSM and then go back to x factor or big brother and question little. As the jam said "The people get what the people want"

Well said. The government is afraid of its people, simple as that. Keep training the young to be self determined, it is only through being so, that we are truly able to question things from our own perspective... I've saved a life with my pocket knife, as well as a thousand and one other uses, it's just a tool as you say. Save a life, carry a knife.... N