Is Russell Brand a Rothschild shill?

[Shezbeth]

Posted by Anchor (here)
You could level that accusation at any teacher who is teaching outside of a specialized teacher/guru-devotee/disciple/chela relationship (call it what you want) who encourages people to do things, since the teacher is constantly providing grist to the mill for awakening for those who decide to explore it.

... and perhaps I will, in their respective thread. Meanwhile,....

Personally I think that he is smart enough to know he's being allowed to have his effect, but I also expect he knows he can only go so far which may (hopefully) inspire further inquiry but is also aware of the celebrity dominance his work inspires. However, I also recognize the possibility that he's a brilliant manipulator and is in cahoots, and that's just one of the many other possibilities.

All I am doing is agreeing with the sentiment of "don't trust him" and providing counter-point to the assertion that he's waking people up, because there are likewise people going to sleep "cuz Russel will tell them what to think". Whether that is deliberate and/or calculated is indeterminable IMO, in the meantime I do find him entertaining,....



Karma? Really? Not everyone finds karma a credible concept,....

[wishinshow]

Jesse Ventura calls 911 as it is and he also calls the anthropo-climate-change-scam, as it is.

I ask the forum: do you think that we could go so far as to say that the litmus test for a Terran hominid being awake,or not, could be found in their response to these two subjects?

Or would an arbitrary panel assigned to an individual's level of consciousness need to include Atlantis, aliens and the individuals view of the metaphysical?

Personally, I believe I was totally asleep, comotose, almost flat-lining when I subscribed to the 911official and the idea that CO2 was going to heat the planet up. Since waking up to 911/climate change, I feel that, year upon year, my eyes have gradually opened wider.

[MorningFox]

Posted by Tesseract (here)

Posted by MorningFox (here)
Of course he's a shill. He is given huge amounts of airtime on the BBC and other mainstream outlets. He is massively in the public eye in all forms of MSM. That says it all.

So is George Galloway, is he a shill too?

Likely. Certainly he is beneficial to their agenda willingly or not... otherwise he simply wouldn't get the coverage.

Is anyone naive enough to actually believe that *anyone* threatening their agenda in any way would get continued mainstream media coverage? Come on now.

[wishinshow]

Posted by MorningFox (here)

Posted by Tesseract (here)

Posted by MorningFox (here)
Of course he's a shill. He is given huge amounts of airtime on the BBC and other mainstream outlets. He is massively in the public eye in all forms of MSM. That says it all.

So is George Galloway, is he a shill too?

Likely. Certainly he is beneficial to their agenda willingly or not... otherwise he simply wouldn't get the coverage.

I think that there are people within the framework of the BBC who are working for higher interests who are interested in disclosure about 911 etc. There just aren't many.

[wishinshow]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by Anchor (here)
You could level that accusation at any teacher who is teaching outside of a specialized teacher/guru-devotee/disciple/chela relationship (call it what you want) who encourages people to do things, since the teacher is constantly providing grist to the mill for awakening for those who decide to explore it.

... and perhaps I will, in their respective thread. Meanwhile,....

Personally I think that he is smart enough to know he's being allowed to have his effect, but I also expect he knows he can only go so far which may (hopefully) inspire further inquiry but is also aware of the celebrity dominance his work inspires. However, I also recognize the possibility that he's a brilliant manipulator and is in cahoots, and that's just one of the many other possibilities.

All I am doing is agreeing with the sentiment of "don't trust him" and providing counter-point to the assertion that he's waking people up, because there are likewise people going to sleep "cuz Russel will tell them what to think". Whether that is deliberate and/or calculated is indeterminable IMO, in the meantime I do find him entertaining,....



Karma? Really? Not everyone finds karma a credible concept,....

I defer from my original hard line view point to be more in line with what you have written above. Very wise words.

The only concern I have with joining you on the sidelines is the fact that he (Russell Brand) is continually promoting anthropogenic climate change. I'm surprised he isn't teaming up with David Meyer de Rothschild, yet. They would look good as a couple.

[Shezbeth]

I will also add that his message (which I admit I haven't heard all of) seems noticeably lacking in its advocacy of personal emergence and refinement, which is a concept I know he knows and which I find (and he should as a metaphysician) to be more important to a therefore emergent society, which would also be a potential indicator for 'manipulator',....

Sidelines nothing, I'm watching him from the fence!

[jackovesk]

Question: "Is Russell Brand a Rothschild shill?"

Answer: ((NO, he is NOT))...

Question: But, why are you so sure jackovesk...???

Answer: Just am, is all...



PS - Having said that, I would most certainly be concerned if he was a friend of...

[ulli]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
Question: "Is Russell Brand a Rothschild shill?"

Answer: ((NO, he is NOT))...

Question: But, why are you so sure jackovesk...???

Answer: Just am, is all...

I'm with you, Jacko.
Let's not give them bastards too much power.

[donk]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
The level of cognitive dissonance necessary to discount and ignore 98% of what Russell Brand IS ACTUALLY SAYING is astounding to me. Let's tie him to a stone, throw him in the water, and see if he floats! If he floats, he a witch! er, I mean he's a Rothschild Illuminati master manipulating bastard. Burn him! Stone him! Off with his head!

Who's next, me?

Dennis

I do not mean to hurt your feelings, but I personally think that your time and energy and work and the direction you take it empowers and validates the system you want so badly to fix more than any shill ever could....that's not to say I want to stone you or Russell or anyone, it's just the way I see it...I think the cognitive dissonance required to do what you do is absolutely astounding....I guess we are mirrors peering into each other. I allow for the possibility I may be wrong, do you?

And to another who I have great respect for, Wind: I find it hilarious that people learn any of the positive lessons he has to teach from HIM. The blame game needed to start LONG before Dubya popularized and derided the concept. There are individuals making decisions that directly effect all of us, and until the blame game gets started in a direction in humanity's favor, we will continue to rail against abstract concepts, magical constructs, tulpas of someone else's creation....like the economy, religion, and politics--all of which we are all giving power to...while someone (or something) hides behind them and laughs at us.

As a card-carrying member of the "controlled opposition" (as I oppose ANY who desire and actively work for CONTROL), I think it's more important to look at the account Akasha brings up, or notice the fact that Icke backed off him like someone else noticed...or I could be wrong...and we can use the new age accounting system to judge him: he is WAY more in the black than the red...so he is above criticism and can't possibly going down an anti-human path or even being used as tool, nothing to see here, just worship his goodness...

[Akasha]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
I would most certainly be concerned if he was a friend of...

So Russell's very recent ex', Jemima Khan (nee Goldsmith)'s brother Zac is married to Alice Rothschild and her other brother Ben was, until 2013, married to Kate Rothschild. David de Rothschild's great great grandfather, Lionel De Rothschild, is Ben, Zac and Jemimas' great great great grandfather.

That's several less degrees of separation than most of us mere mortals.

Are they friends? Who knows?

Cause for concern? You tell me.....

.....but given Russell's attempts to win over the alternative community and given the alternative community's overwhelming opinion of DdR and given the Rothschilds' ownership of Reuters/AP, if they were friends, wouldn't we be the last to know?

Rothschild Genealogy

[lauraheath123]

I hope russell hasnt been got too but there is a few signs he has been, take this interview, he looks like he is being woke from hypnosis just before he speaks, never mind the subliminal hand signals

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY9pk

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by donk (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
The level of cognitive dissonance necessary to discount and ignore 98% of what Russell Brand IS ACTUALLY SAYING is astounding to me. Let's tie him to a stone, throw him in the water, and see if he floats! If he floats, he a witch! er, I mean he's a Rothschild Illuminati master manipulating bastard. Burn him! Stone him! Off with his head!

Who's next, me?

Dennis

I do not mean to hurt your feelings, but I personally think that your time and energy and work and the direction you take it empowers and validates the system you want so badly to fix more than any shill ever could....that's not to say I want to stone you or Russell or anyone, it's just the way I see it...I think the cognitive dissonance required to do what you do is absolutely astounding....I guess we are mirrors peering into each other. I allow for the possibility I may be wrong, do you?

So, how do you define yourself? I'm guessing anarchist. If yes, then ponder the possibility of a transformation of US society from rule by the current fascist-corporatist-militarist US government to a/an _(anarchist? socialist?)__ society:

A.) with the status quo just the way it is: rule by the Ruling Elite
or
b.) with citizens in control of our own governance, first

Many anarchists, and socialists, and a couple of communists I know all believe that the US government can be transformed in one single step into their desired FORM of government. Whoosh! {waving the magic wand} And, would rather stubbornly live their entire life as a slave and die as a slave rather that try to think like a chessmaster and figure out how to DISEMPOWER the Elite/oligarchs first.

Are you wise enough to see The Reset Button as a steppingstone, and not as an ultimate goal?

Do you have any idea how few anarchists there are in the US? Or how few socialists? Most US citizens view those terms like they view "Nazi" or "godless commie" - they have absolutely no idea what those terms actually mean and have NEVER thought about changing the FORM of government in the US (though they wish they had a better government) to one of THOSE things they have been taught to believe are horrible. How could they - they have been brainwashed into believing that the US government, though "slightly imperfect", is not only the best in the world but the best in world history. Get out more, talk to more people - you'll be astounded how locked-in they are.

The vast percentage of the US population needs to be spoken to in terms they understand, and may be able to support some concrete, systemic change that complies with the current US Constitution - but are utterly incapable of taking the visionary leap to an entirely different social structure. Congratulate yourself on your ability to envision a drastically different future - but good luck trying to get 300 million people that have no such mental functionality to leap with you.

If someone wants to live and die a slave, here's the recipe:
Stay stubborn, think like a toddler, don't try to unify a large mass of people based on one thing they can all agree on, and don't strategize like a tactician. Oh, another one is to demonize or at least discount anyone who who doesn't think exactly the same as them (or has money, or fame, or a cute ex-wife, or less than 6 degrees of separation from a known bad guy.)

[donk]

I define myself as human being, who has found not everything is as exactly as I thought I was. One who took responsibility for the fact that I constantly lie to myself, like most everyone else in this reality of lies where we find ourselves.

I strive to see things differently than I have been programmed, I work hard at changing my emotional attachments I have to my most sacred held beliefs. I recognize that I really know nothing. I choose to do my best to live my life as free as I possibly can, despite all these human created control structures we find ourselves immersed in.

To me the ideal is not defined by any -ology...it is the complete non-participation in any of these anti-human/anti-life institutions. I hold no illusions my grandchildrens' grandchildren can be free of it, but I live in hope that even WE--in our lifetime--just might. To do that, I am trying to find ways to convince as many around me as I can something to the effect of "what if there was a war, and no one showed up?"...or even better: what if our national and religious and cultural and every other category of VALUES were based on a solid foundation of TRUTH and PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?

I am not wise enough to see the "Reset Button" as anything other than what I've always associated that idea with: the thing that momentarily utterly terminates the machine's program, so that the identical program can start over again at the beginning in hopes that it works better this time. I used to be super-immersed in the economic and political and social realities as they are presented to me in my reality...I personally find it exhausting, sorry but I just can't invest my energy on anything based on the mindset that allows any validation to "civilization". I honestly believe it is not the only way, is not even a "human" way...and am constantly looking for something different--I'll let ya know if I come up with anything good.

Call it "thinking like a toddler"...maybe that's not such a bad thing? I personally think we can learn a lot more from them, than any HIS-STORY we are taught. All I am doing is offering perspective, which I see as a balance. What some find astounding and hilarious, others may find the exact opposite...which doesn't mean we want to destroy that opposite thought. We just want you to see that maybe others see it differently.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by wishinshow (here)
Jesse Ventura calls 911 as it is and he also calls the anthropo-climate-change-scam, as it is.

I ask the forum: do you think that we could go so far as to say that the litmus test for a Terran hominid being awake,or not, could be found in their response to these two subjects?

Well, you busted me. Though I'm 100% certain that 9/11 was an inside job, I do see information forcing me to believe that humans really are changing the climate of the world with deforestation, ocean acidification - killing plankton that supply the most oxygen - and fossil fuel burning. I see it regardless that the Elite scum see this (like everything) as an opportunity to make money, and have enacted disingenuous carbon tax that of course wouldn't solve anything. And, I see it regardless if the Earth is ALSO being heated by factors that (some scientist says) are heating all the planets in the solar system.

I have to say, I'm impressed that we humans have not only developed the ability to measure the temperature of other planets, but that we can measure them so accurately and that we have enough historical data that we can positively conclude that other planets are heating up at the same rate as Earth. That is some Nobel Prize worthy astrogeophysics right there! The fact that THAT particular scientist (or scientists) gets his data placed on the "I believe him!" altar and other scientists data gets stored in the trashcan is somewhat baffling to me. Maybe we all just pick and choose which data to believe based on our preconceived notions. I admit it's true for me. I see removing 80% of the Earth's forests and burning billions (trillions?) of tons of hydrocarbons as pretty damn likely to have a deleterious effect on the planet. So yeah, I'm guessing we had a hand in both the 6th mass extinction and climate change. Anyone that wants to believe that humans can virtually do anything and yet have no effect on the climate are free to do so... and if they want to declare that as a criteria for being awake, well, I guess that means that I'm asleep.

Dennis

[Skyhaven]

Goooooooooooooooo Russel!

These conspiracies are going nowhere.

[wishinshow]

@dennis. I agree with you. We all planted the bombs in those two skyscrapers. I'm not being sarcastic. I really do believe that we all planted those bombs. Collective consciousness. And maybe the sun knows we killed 80% of the trees and is giving us a roasting for it. I'm open to that, too. In fact, my head is so damn open, my brain fell out yesterday.

However, I was not talking on that level of abstraction or spiritual dialectic. I was talking about the bricks and mortar of 911 and the CO2 debate. I think you understand that.

So I ask you. Do we pretty much agree?

[dianna]

Posted by wishinshow (here)
In fact, my head is so damn open, my brain fell out yesterday.

Best line on the forum today!

[wishinshow]

Russell could be programmed biological entity without soul that they keep in a vat of ACME green glug between intervals of wheeling him out for a Trews session and a quick shag. We just don't know. And maybe I'll stop asking soon. I bloody hope I can stop asking, soon.

If any moderators would like me to withdraw the statement above, I am most happy to do so and would subsequently wish to put on record that I heard about the green glug from a local bag lady who was Brand's lover in a past life. I would also add that this is intended to add humour to a long in the tooth thread where I feel we are offering the man too much attention. Perhaps some of his BRAND of humour is a nice way to close the discussion off.

Guys! Shall we knock this thread on the head?

(PS I know I'm not as funny as Brand and I have never once called him a pedophile. In fact he's the only person from the establishment who I am sure is not a pedophile! Well... Nah... He's not)

[TargeT]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
t we can measure them so accurately and that we have enough historical data that we can positively conclude that other planets are heating up at the same rate as Earth

except, earth isn't heating up?


http://www.climate.gov/news-features...ng-past-decade

and anthropomorphic climate change is more of a guilt trip than anything based on science. Lots of negative ego and fear involved in "global warming".

But of course this is just based in logic and data (which shows we go through cycles, warm, then cool and have been forever...)

Now, this doesn't make it untrue that humanity has an effect on the environment, but almost all studies along those lines are based on the logical fallacy "Correlation does not imply causation" which we are trained societaly to accept (especially when leveraged by another popular fallacy Appeal to Authority).

Anyway, I like your thought line; but I think you picked a poor example (an example that is a part of the wide spread divide and conquer techniques that seem to be popping up everywhere).

[donk]

The thing is, you yourself are defeating the only productive thing about having threads like these….by doing the EXACT thing that makes them repulsive to most. Putting emotional attachments and snarky mocking of a personality, creating conspiracies, haha all fun and games til everyone misses the point: there CAN be value here. Including and not limited to:
-first hand personal experiences of the personality acting other than how most see him as…or how he tries to present himself to be
-intuitive feelings of the more sensitive…to take or to leave, and be expressed in a tasteful (and not hurtful or slanderous) way
-examining trends, patterns, or anomalies in what is being presented to the intended audicence
-analyzing aforementioned audience, as well as the “media” itself , and especially the message and it’s true intent
-presenting other observable phenomon such as the “judgement accounting” where some good deeds cause others to fall into behavioral patterns such as defensivenss and cognitive dissonance


…and that’s just off of the top of my head, I could probably come up with a few more if I put any thought into it. Some here did…and completely sh!tbagging the whole thing poops on all of that. I personally don’t care, I mean, I’ll probably just wait for the next one…but it is marathon, not a sprint. And one day we may even be able to have discussions where the meaningful information is the highlight rather than fireworks peoples’ feelings for the messenger? You can say that I’m a dreamer….