How can my Mum come off blood thinners and anticoagulants?

[DeDukshyn]

Daozen,

I don't have time to go through this whole thread, but it doesn't look like Nattokinase was mentioned anywhere? Please look into this as a dietary supplement that might give you what you are looking for. It comes from a weird Japanese food called Natto, which is fermented soy.

There is a lot of research on this enzyme, and it is classified as a drug in some countries for blood-thinning / anticoagulant. If you do decide to use it, treat it with care, it is quite powerful, and mixing it with blood thinning drugs - even aspirin, can be bad.

General info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nattokinase

Supplement example: http://aorsupplements.ca/product/AOR...-90-vcaps.html

[Cardillac]

it's all so much easier than all have presented:

the best blood thinner is lemon juice and it's packed with vitamin C as well;

what else could one want?

Larry

[Tangri]

This is very tricky question to answer.

First of all, this condition is serious subject, not like an eczema which you can discontinue the current treatment and starting a different one. If alternatives do not work, you can always return to the old ones.(in some tolerances gain)

She should completely quit old medicines before starting take in other alternates, because of the cumulative effects. If an anticoagulant overdosed occurs, there is an internal hemorrhage( bleeding) risk. (brain or other organs)

When a doctor prescribes anticoagulants, he starts with clotting time (coagulation test) and start a lower dose. He/she gradually increase the doses of anticoagulants and continue the test to find an optimal dose. It takes time to reach an optimal level. But during this time there is a relatively safe refuge for a recurrent embolism.
Discontinue of medicine and beginning a new way can cause absent of safe refuge for some time. If we were talking on eczema, I would say go head and try it, but in these kind of cases I would not play Russian roulette.

[wegge]

moving a lot, as much as possible, so the blood gets drawn into all the small vessels
and you want to engange as much muscles as possible so the area your blood can flow to increases

[Tangri]

Posted by wegge (here)
moving a lot, as much as possible, so the blood gets drawn into all the small vessels
and you want to engange as much muscles as possible so the area your blood can flow to increases

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[wegge]

your O² exchange is not happening in the arteries. The arteries get always thinner and smaller and become arterioles and finally capillaries. So you want to get as much blood off the "mainstream" and into these capillary beds, but there it get´s just drawn when the muscle is engaged not just pumped by the heart.
You can take some burden from your heart if you youse more muscles so they exercise their "pull" on the blood.

[Tangri]

Posted by wegge (here)
your O² exchange is not happening in the arteries. The arteries get always thinner and smaller and become arterioles and finally capillaries. So you want to get as much blood off the "mainstream" and into these capillary beds, but there it get´s just drawn when the muscle is engaged not just pumped by the heart.
You can take some burden from your heart if you youse more muscles so they exercise their "pull" on the blood.

I do not want to try to change of your statement but problem is Plaques risk . These plaques can burst, triggering a blood clot. Although atherosclerosis is often considered a heart problem, it can affect arteries anywhere in your body. Anticoagulants loosen the plaques, then an embolism manifests the stroke.(brain ,heart )

[wegge]

yes you´re right but the risk is already heightened through a sedentary lifestyle

[Daozen]

Thanks for the continuing ideas everyone. I think the first step is to rebuild with high level Vit C. Nattokinase seems like a good idea too.

Tangri, I think you're right about coming off slowly. That's what I was really looking for here, advice on how to taper off these drugs safely.

I'll continue watching this thread.

[Tangri]

Posted by Daozen (here)
Thanks for the continuing ideas everyone. I think the first step is to rebuild with high level Vit C. Nattokinase seems like a good idea too.

Tangri, I think you're right about coming off slowly. That's what I was really looking for here, advice on how to taper off these drugs safely.

I'll continue watching this thread.

Daosen, I am sorry that, with my professional hat on writing can not have a safe(logical) solution. Otherwise I would be disappointed on my honesty.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Tangri (here)

Posted by Daozen (here)
Thanks for the continuing ideas everyone. I think the first step is to rebuild with high level Vit C. Nattokinase seems like a good idea too.

Tangri, I think you're right about coming off slowly. That's what I was really looking for here, advice on how to taper off these drugs safely.

I'll continue watching this thread.

Daosen, I am sorry that, with my professional hat on writing can not have a safe(logical) solution. Otherwise I would be disappointed on my honesty.

Well, with my "professional hat on" writing, I would find a good reputable naturopathic doctor, and have him/her look into Nattokinase supplementation - to see if that might be a bit better option than pharma products. It is certainly powerful enough to potentially be an option, there are scores if not hundreds of proper scientific trials done; but as I mentioned before, and as Tangri has been stating - this must be done carefully --> under the care of a professional, to avoid potential harsh risks of getting of long term medication. Eating some berries or whatever isn't going to be your solution in my opinion.

Best of luck!

[Daozen]

I think you are both right that the tapering off period should be approached with care. I'll just have to see how things go...

Thanks

[kennywally]

Well, my mom had a stroke, still has paralysis, and she was on thinners in the hospital and nursing home, I just put her on gingko.
I almost put her on xeralto, but there were technical difficulties and time was waning so I just gave her gingko instead and it worked.

she was on thinners for 6mos.....I suppose I just got lucky.
I'm on a quest to bring up her minerals and EFA's, then see how well that works out for her to recover.

so, do your own research and get a naturopath or ayurvedic type doctor to assist you if you need handholding.

best wishes

hope that helps