I think I'm finished with Red Ice Radio

[Maunagarjana]

For a long time I have appreciated Red Ice radio's interviews. Henrik Palmgren's interviews on a wide variety of topics for a long time seemed very much in accord with my interests, but in recent years, he has become increasingly racial in his focus, in a way that I would classify as being, at the very least, sympathetic to Neo-Nazi views. I've tried to ignore it, but it's gotten kind of obvious and pretty annoying to me.

I'm not sure what happened with Henrik, or what caused this gradual change of focus. Maybe he was always like this, but decided to keep it under wraps in order to build an audience in the alternative community. Granted, that many people in the alternative community do have some pretty strong anti-Jewish beliefs, even if they insist they are not racists. But there are many who don't like to focus on the racial issues also, so I could see how he would try not to alienate such folks.

His focus, not only in his interviews, but also in the news links he posts, has become increasingly on topics of white persecution, Nazi historical revisionism, and raising the alarm about brown people immigrating to Europe (especially when it comes to Muslims). It's clear to me that at some point he decided to come out of the closet as a someone whose thinking is very heavily dominated by racialist views. I don't know if I would go so far as to call him a Neo-Nazi, but as I said, he's shown me that he at least swims in that current of thought, and that it at least in part shapes his views. I wouldn't be surprised to find that he is a former Neo-Nazi who had gotten away from that, but who has reverted back to his old ways. To put it bluntly, I'd like to know how many swastika tattoos he and many of his closest friends have.

I generally have enjoyed Henrik in the past. I like his interviewing style. He seems pretty bright. I have not always agreed with his views. But that's fine, I don't need to agree with him all the time. But once he starts getting into Nazi revisionism and pushing xenophobia on his site, that's where I part ways with him. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just go down the list of interviews and news articles he's put up in the last year.

Look, here's my thing....I don't give a rat's a$s about race. It doesn't matter to me. I believe in reincarnation, and I'm sure I've been just about every race that exists on the planet. Sure, some cultures tend to have things about them I admire more than others, but I don't really care enough to get worked up about racially charged issues or topics focused on the clash of cultures. Also, even though I'm white, I don't take pride in that at all. You know why? Because I only take pride in things I have accomplished and things that I am responsible for. I did not achieve being white. And to me, emphasizing such things plays right into the hands of the controllers who want to separate us, and cause division and animosity.

Of course, he might say that he doesn't endorse every person that he puts up on his show, and that he's only presenting views that are taboo in the mainstream media. But there seems to be a very strong theme on the site at this point that wasn't there before. Though even still, he is careful not to make it too obvious. But I think I can see what he's really about. Henrik has made it impossible for me to support his site anymore. Which is a shame, because I've enjoyed many of his interviews in the past. Anyway, I'm mostly writing this to see if anyone else is seeing what I am seeing when it comes to that site. Am I overreacting? Let me know what you think.

[ulli]

Everyone is heading in some direction or other, and over a period of time it becomes pretty obvious to an observer where someone's main focus lies. I agree with you about racism...it has definitely an ugly side.

We are living at a time of rapid change and governments are using their powers more than ever without consulting the people. So I wold say that it is quite understandable that white supremacy would be on the rise in Sweden, given the immigration policies there. But Hendrik would be better off helping with the adjustment rather than inciting hatred.
The road of racism leads nowhere.

[giovonni]

IMO ...

The difference between a judgement and an opinion is that all judgements are based upon opinion ...
But there is most definitely a fine line between both terms ...

i have come to find that judgementality is tied to our own (individual) ideas of right and wrong ...
It is always best to first consider this when evaluating others expressions of experience and being.

[Wind]

It's not just Henrik and Sweden, many other people are falling for that trap too in other countries where people are still backwards. People are just totally fed up with the politicians and governments with their failed economics and then it's really easy to blame other ethnic groups for your problems when in fact our leaders have created those problems. You can just feel how many countries are becoming filled with division when some progressed countries with more progressed views are thriving. Sure the failed mass immigration policies have created some problems related to crimes, but what caused the mass immigrations in the first place? "It's a basic principle of the Universe that every action will create an equal and opposing reaction."

The division tactics are working really well again, racism and antisemitism (note that I oppose the criminal governments like Israel - not the people!) are raising their ugly heads on the net and it just makes me shake my head. What the hell is wrong with people, we might have different skin colours and beliefs, but we all bleed the same colour.

Once we choose (I underline the word choose since no one ever forced us to come here) to incarnate here, we choose our races, genders and parents. We are human beings sharing this planet, why can't we just try to live in peace while honoring each others? Because of incompetent leaders with their mad ways or because of our ignorance and prejudices? As long as we think that's it's about "us and them", we will not know peace.

[giovonni]

why can't we just get along ...

judgement

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Wind (here)
It's not just Henrik and Sweden, many other people are falling for that trap too in other countries where people are still backwards. People are just totally fed up with the politicians and governments with their failed economics and then it's really easy to blame other ethnic groups for your problems when in fact our leaders have created those problems. You can just feel how many countries are becoming filled with division when some progressed countries with more progressed views are thriving. Sure the failed mass immigration policies have created some problems related to crimes, but what caused the mass immigrations in the first place? "It's a basic principle of the Universe that every action will create an equal and opposing reaction."

The division tactics are working really well again, racism and antisemitism (note that I oppose the criminal governments like Israel - not the people!) are raising their ugly heads on the net and it just makes me shake my head. What the hell is wrong with people, we might have different skin colours and beliefs, but we all bleed the same colour.

Once we choose (I underline the word choose since no one ever forced us to come here) to incarnate here, we choose our races, genders and parents. We are human beings sharing this planet, why can't we just try to live in peace while honoring each others? Because of incompetent leaders with their mad ways or because of our ignorance and prejudices? As long as we think that's it's about "us and them", we will not know peace.

Great post, Wind. And I agree, it is a trap.

And yes, I think we do choose our race, but our reasons for doing so I think are much different than we might think. I think it more has to do with what kind of experiences we want to have, and what kind of challenges or advantages of which we might make positive use, or perhaps to play out karma in some way. Ironically, I think some people reincarnate into the races they hated in previous lives.

[Violet]

I noticed the change too. Have been listening for years and it's pretty persistent now. I think the current Swedish political stage may have sped up the surfacing of these opinions. I was still following his logic when he said that he just wanted the best for his country but from there on it got worse. Rense has it too, but then again he was already very pronounced from the start. I do remember a recent show of Rense where one of his guests fiercely shouted that in order for an American life to be saved others had to die, and I'm aware that I'm not including enough context here, but then again, I don't know in what context that would be an ok idea to support.

Not sure if I'm done with Henrik's shows, though, I will have to make an extra effort to not hear those discriminating parts. He has interesting guests. His view of current events has an esoteric touch that makes his shows somewhat different. I hope he's reading.

And I also appreciate you highlighting this. Yes, there is a problem in Europe and no, Sweden's way is not going to solve it. I think Henrik, Sweden and a lot of Europeans would like a straight answer as to what is going to solve thé problem and unfortunately they're not willing to accept that what they see as thé problem is merely à problem in a list of problems, the most important ones set aside.

It's like talking to a wall, and the wall getting angry.

[EJdaDJ]

Im gonna stop short of dismissing Henrik as a racist. The interview regarding tribal cultures made the factual points about how immigration trends and socialist governments create melting pots and erase cultural history etc... they went on to say that speaking about this subject draws criticism, ridicule, branding, labeling and name calling. You prove that point!
The passion to preserve ones culture is not automatically make one racist. They went on to applaud the accomplishments of the NAACP and AIPAC sooo comon now... lets chillout a bit.

Coincidentally though I have lowered RedIce on my priority list recently. Reason simple, their interviews have gone from uplifting, intriguing and positive to somber, sober, complaining, defeatist and depressing. So when they interview the Grand Dragon of the KKK, I'll guess i'll give them up to.

[Agape]

I'm tempted to insert an observation here that came on my mind , maybe slightly off-topic .. but won't be too long .

The 'search of ''white man'' for his religion' , it should be called .

Through out most of the human history on earth people were colored , in many natural and synthetic pigments so they could fit in , so that they were protected , so that they had mimicry . An albino among any species is in great disadvantage on this planet .

All religions practised nowadays evolved and were evolved by ancient humans , and their ancestors who lived on the planet for thousands and millions of years ,
no matter how much knowledge and science they incorporate ( or NOT ) they are systems designed : for humans .

None of those religious forefathers and prophets were 'white men' .

Depicting Jesus with blue eyes and blond hair on the ceiling of your cathedrals looks good but in reality , he was a native .. he looked just about right for his Mid-Eastern birth . I'm sure he had 'special aura' around him and blessed heart , and mind ..

so had others .

Buddha is traditionally described as possessed of 32 major and minor marks of 'great person' , born to a Kings clan , son of a King , noble being . Yet , he spent rest of his life living side to side with baggers , ascetics , later monks and students of his own and maintained possession of 3 pieces of robes and a begging bowl .

Now if you see golden statue of Buddha or Jesus , or other Prophets , how far does it take mind away from the reality .

Ok, I'll jump over the pile of historical comparatives to say that not even one world 'religion' was invented by 'white man' , first of all because religions are man-made and secondly, white man is a myth .

The purity , the transparency that can be achieved with help of all ( those many ) spiritual practises leads us back to the original source and world we all came from.
In that world - there's no religion . But there's high ethical and also aesthetic standard maintained towards all its inhabitants .

The difficulty with human mind is .. not being able to listen and follow the subtle ... so being overtaken by the gross ( world ) . Then they mistake the gross for the subtle .


If I say ''white man has no original religion'' of their own , it's true in more than in one way . It's a stage of evolution of human being and society , I believe where neither individuals ( or society ) are able to survive by abiding by certain conventionally adopted laws - of systems , tribes, cultures , etc etc .

Too many people ( regardless their true color ) realise they're 'spiritually free' in world where no one gives a damn ..

We see the worlds systems , including old stale religious schemes are crumbling .

Yet ... if you ask 'white man' of our times and his best views on the Universe ,

he's a.male b.agnostic c.atheist d.computer programmer

in average profile statistics and he's ( perhaps ) searching for better answers .


Interesting ? Not too much . I mean it's exciting , on certain side of a brain ..or to it .. having plenty of new technical gadgets and toys to play with ,
the power of life in your handheld and super-fast car . There are maybe 2 billion young man who could proudly progress and succeed in this category and many of them will .


Is there more to life though ? So much more ... this amazing biological potential of evolving yourself in another way . A power of civilisation who reached a state of knowing ..


Another myth here it seems to me ..

[Snowflower]

I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.

[David Ansible]

I don't have an opinion about Henrik either way though I do think he is an excellent interviewer generally.

I really agreed with this statement of yours though: "Also, even though I'm white, I don't take pride in that at all. You know why? Because I only take pride in things I have accomplished and things that I am responsible for. I did not achieve being white."

It seems ridiculous for anyone to think they are "superior" based on the group to which they belong. After all, they as individuals might be vastly "inferior" to particular individuals from various other groups that they happen to meet. It is all about the individual. Just because someone is black does not mean that person is a great athlete. One's Jewishness doesn't somehow automatically make one "intelligent." The accomplishments of one's group don't necessarily say anything about YOU.

There are other reasons too why group affiliation perhaps shouldn't get anyone too excited. As an example: Even if your group happens to be "smarter" on average than some other group, that other group might possess other attractive traits that your group on average lacks. Perhaps things tend to "balance out" more than supremacists might realize.

It seems to me that the best way to go is to assess each person, as well as oneself, as an individual, rather than viewing oneself or others primarily as a representation of a particular group. I am not saying this can be done perfectly. We are all human after all. But it is the best "orientation" to have (in my opinion of course).

[aranuk]

I too used to like Hentik's interviews and I too have heard his opinions creep into the dialogue and I was initially quite shocked and found myself questioning if I had heard him correctly. I did. I have not watched another of his interviews since.

Stan

[astridmari]

Yes I also noticed the change. Being swedish I also know what we go through here in Sweden. We have been sort of "Bror Duktig" /Practical Pig in Sweden for a long time. Always doing the right thing sort of. Sometimes you get fed up beeing spoonfed what you must think to be considered a good person. Perhaps Henric is cleansing himself from a lot of programming and soon will snap out of it.

[Aspen]

Yes, I remember one bizarre interview with John Lash that Henrik did last summer. They seemed to be in agreement that the white race had been targeted for archonic infection. John Lash seemed to think that the white race was being targeted because they were more immune to programming. It was confusing because I have heard the opposite view expressed on other conspiracy sites. The most bizarre thing for me was that John Lash was teaching that eating pork would prevent this archonic infection!!! Very strange, I also find it disappointing that the focus has been on race on Red Ice lately. In Canada we have the policy of the cultural mosaic living together peacefully. It seems to work to some extent. However, there has been atrocities committed towards the indigenous population for hundreds of years and it appears to be continuing as treaty rights are often ignored and resources on treaty land given away to multinationals seems to be getting more common instead of less so.

As for myself, I am white and also not proud of it. I grew up ashamed of my german heritage and all the discrimination towards the Jew that went on in the homeland of my parents. Early on in my life I became aware of the discrimination against the first nation and metis people of my own country and have learned that it differs very little from what Hitler did. There was genocidal policies for many generations towards the aboriginal looking ones. So stupid. I enjoy doing my part to help break down the racial barriers in my own country by allying myself with the local aboriginal people (forming friendships, giving good service in my therapy practice etc.) and with recent immigrants helping them to face the racial discrimination that is still very widespread in northern Alberta.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by EJdaDJ (here)
Im gonna stop short of dismissing Henrik as a racist. The interview regarding tribal cultures made the factual points about how immigration trends and socialist governments create melting pots and erase cultural history etc... they went on to say that speaking about this subject draws criticism, ridicule, branding, labeling and name calling. You prove that point!

No, I do not prove that point. I said in my post I'm not calling him a Nazi. I'm just wondering about him. I'm not labeling him anything but a bit obsessed with the topic of race. I know that this is a sensitive topic, and I don't know what Henrik's views really are. He seems like a really intelligent guy, and I understand there is a whole spectrum of views when it comes to these subjects, and I would expect that he has very nuanced views that are not easily categorized and pinned down.

The passion to preserve ones culture is not automatically make one racist. They went on to applaud the accomplishments of the NAACP and AIPAC sooo comon now... lets chillout a bit.

Coincidentally though I have lowered RedIce on my priority list recently. Reason simple, their interviews have gone from uplifting, intriguing and positive to somber, sober, complaining, defeatist and depressing. So when they interview the Grand Dragon of the KKK, I'll guess i'll give them up to.

Yeah, it hasn't got that bad. Though there have been some interviews that seem to be catering to a Neo-Nazi audience in a subtle way. For example, there was one guy on there trying to refute the Khazar theory in regards to the Jews. I could see why Neo-Nazis would not like the Khazar theory, because it is a rival meme that conflicts with their propaganda about Jews. That's just one example.

I have to admit, I don't understand the cultural dynamics of Sweden. It's very far removed from where I am in California, both in terms of distance and the mindset. And I don't know all the history of racial tensions in Sweden. But I think, as others have attested, there has at least been a change of tone. So, it's good to know I'm not the only one noticing this. But I have gone on the Red Ice facebook page and pointed out the xenophobic drift of the show, and people attack me like I'm some shrill spokesperson of liberal multiculturalism for just pointing out what should be obvious. Maybe people are just a little bit sensitive. Or maybe they're defensive because there's some truth to it.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by astridmari (here)
Yes I also noticed the change. Being swedish I also know what we go through here in Sweden. We have been sort of "Bror Duktig" /Practical Pig in Sweden for a long time. Always doing the right thing sort of. Sometimes you get fed up beeing spoonfed what you must think to be considered a good person. Perhaps Henric is cleansing himself from a lot of programming and soon will snap out of it.

I hope that's the case. And of course, he is on his own journey and is a work in progress, like everyone. Maybe I will peer in on the site in the future just to see what sort of trajectory he is on. As I said, I don't really understand what's going on in Sweden.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Aspen (here)
Yes, I remember one bizarre interview with John Lash that Henrik did last summer. They seemed to be in agreement that the white race had been targeted for archonic infection. John Lash seemed to think that the white race was being targeted because they were more immune to programming. It was confusing because I have heard the opposite view expressed on other conspiracy sites. The most bizarre thing for me was that John Lash was teaching that eating pork would prevent this archonic infection!!! Very strange, I also find it disappointing that the focus has been on race on Red Ice lately.

That is a bizarre claim, and a rather amusing one, actually. And not too surprising it came from a dyed-in-the-wool Gnostic like Lash. Gnosticism has long been attractive to those of an anti-Jewish mindset. I mean, they are basically saying that the Jewish Creator god is evil and insane. But I've spoken to Gnostics who are quick to say they are anti-Judaism, not anti-Jew. I'm sure they are very sensitive to be painted as being anti-Jewish.

In Canada we have the policy of the cultural mosaic living together peacefully. It seems to work to some extent. However, there has been atrocities committed towards the indigenous population for hundreds of years and it appears to be continuing as treaty rights are often ignored and resources on treaty land given away to multinationals seems to be getting more common instead of less so.

As for myself, I am white and also not proud of it. I grew up ashamed of my german heritage and all the discrimination towards the Jew that went on in the homeland of my parents. Early on in my life I became aware of the discrimination against the first nation and metis people of my own country and have learned that it differs very little from what Hitler did. There was genocidal policies for many generations towards the aboriginal looking ones. So stupid. I enjoy doing my part to help break down the racial barriers in my own country by allying myself with the local aboriginal people (forming friendships, giving good service in my therapy practice etc.) and with recent immigrants helping them to face the racial discrimination that is still very widespread in northern Alberta.

You know, I have noticed this. I have been talking to a woman from northern Alberta through the net, and I have noticed that she will causually throw around words like "Pakis" and talk about how she hated the Native kids at her High School because they would start fights with the whites, and because they talk different, or whatever. But I chalked this up to her being from a small town and not much exposed to other cultures.

And really, these things are not unique to that region. I encounter this sort of thing even in liberal California where people will in private tell me about their distaste for Mexicans and Blacks. It's a human problem, and it doesn't matter where you're from, there's always going to be a certain amount of that. I have friends from South America of pure blood Spanish descent and I have heard them make remarks about the "stupid Indios".

[seehas]

yes ive noticed something like this with red ice radio myself, but since i wasnt a big-time listener i thought maybe i didnt got it before, i didnt remember which interview it was but i can remember that hendrik made some coments about the "white race" that gave the interview a pretty weird flavour.

in the past red ice radio had some realy interesting shows, but this year wasnt that much interesting for me thats the main reason why i dont listen anymore, hendrik got amazing talent for interviewing people no doubt.

[Delight]

Posted by ulli (here)
Everyone is heading in some direction or other, and over a period of time it becomes pretty obvious to an observer where someone's main focus lies. I agree with you about racism...it has definitely an ugly side.

We are living at a time of rapid change and governments are using their powers more than ever without consulting the people. So I wold say that it is quite understandable that white supremacy would be on the rise in Sweden, given the immigration policies there. But Hendrik would be better off helping with the adjustment rather than inciting hatred.
The road of racism leads nowhere.

Having been a subscriber of Redice creations and fan of Henrik Palmgren, I have been seeing the change of direction. The concern that the "white race" is threatened is strange to me. I do not presume to know the stress that Swedish culture experiences as more immigrants arrive. But it highlights to me that as change is inevitable, the basic ways we have approached our collective concerns have failed absolutely.

In the 80's I had a room-mate who was from Sweden. What I learned from her was that the Swedish model was a positive social one in her opinion but working because it came out of Sweden's relative homogeneity of race and culture. I was impressed at that time that they did not have prejudice about unmarried mothers (as we had in my experience in the US south) and other innovations like healthcare and education for all. This woman had decided to immigrate to the US because she found the collective "mind" stifling for her in Sweden.

IMO, to go beyond one's identification with culture and race is a huge leap we have not yet seemed to jump but could cross as humans. The idea that worth and value is based on the "isms" of groups is a constantly manipulated position where people fight group to group. We already know the results....

I saw this today and it reflects on the issue IMO.

The Matrix Revealed: the collective experiment on planet Earth

by Jon Rappoport

December 27, 2014

NoMoreFakeNews.com

OutsideTheRealityMachine

When all obsessive group-consciousness on Earth is finished, exhausted, when it admits defeat, then a different era will emerge. But for now, we are in the middle of the collective experiment.

High-flying cloying sentiment, profound dependence on others, covert repression—these are the order of the day.

How long until the collective age is over? A hundred years? A thousand years? The answer is, as long as it takes for every human to realize that the experiment has failed, and why.

The why is clear—the individual has been overlooked. He has been demeaned. He has been grabbed up and drafted into groups. His creative power has been compromised in order to fit in.

The majority of the world still believes in this approach, as if from good groups will flow the ultimate and final solutions we have all been seeking.

This is sheer mind control, because good groups morph into evil, and vice versa, in the ongoing stage play called reality.

Ideals are twisted, infiltrators subvert plans, lessons are ignored, and the whole sorry mess repeats itself again.

What constituted a triumph of good over evil at one moment is guided into yet another collective, whose aims are “a better kind of control.”

The most deluded among us believe we are always on the cusp of a final breakthrough.

But there is no “we” to make the breakthrough.

It comes to every person on his own. And it does not arrive as the thrust of an external force, but from one’s own struggle, accompanied by insights for which there is no outside agency to lend confirmation.

If indeed it will take a thousand years to bring this collective illusion to a close, that is no cause for despondent reaction.

On the contrary, it is simply an understanding that all experiments come to an end, as does the method of thought on which they are based.

One or ten or a hundred collapses of civilization, and the resultant rebuilding, are not enough.

The pattern endures.

It can only dissolve when overwhelming numbers of individuals, each in his own way, absent self-deception, sees its bankruptcy.

The “we” and the “us” are merely postponements and cover stories splashed on the front pages of the mind.

Fighting for what is right, here and now, is vital. But it does not preclude the knowledge that, as long as people are fixated on groups as the Answer, the underlying problem will persist.

Therefore, as part of my research over the last several decades, I have explored what is now commonly called the Matrix, from the point of view of freeing the individual from it.

The first step is understanding Matrix as an ongoing perverse “work of art” and viewing the nuts and bolts of it.....
The Matrix Revealed: the collective experiment on planet Earth

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by seehas (here)
yes ive noticed something like this with red ice radio myself, but since i wasnt a big-time listener i thought maybe i didnt got it before, i didnt remember which interview it was but i can remember that hendrik made some coments about the "white race" that gave the interview a pretty weird flavour.

in the past red ice radio had some realy interesting shows, but this year wasnt that much interesting for me thats the main reason why i dont listen anymore, hendrik got amazing talent for interviewing people no doubt.

Yes, I know what you mean. I haven't been keeping track of all such instances I've noticed, so I can't cite a bunch of them. But I have noticed and it has perplexed me. I'm not trying to start a screw-Henrik campaign or anything. He is free to voice his point of view. And I am free to voice mine.