Charlie Hebdo shooting: eleven dead at Paris offices of satirical magazine

[Sierra]

Heartbreaking.

Oh look, two birds (of many no doubt) killed with one stone...

Cabu was involved in Hara-Kiri magazine in its early days. Founded in 1960, the staunchly anti-establishment publication was twice banned temporarily by the French government before being permanently banned in 1970 following the death of Charles de Gaulle. Following that censorship, the magazine morphed into Charlie Hebdo, with Cabu continuing to contribute.

Cabu has been a long time irritant it seems.

[Hervé]

On the heels of a recently released (2014) French movie "Colt .45"... whoever they are, I suspect they are US funded.

[Sophocles]

Google translate from Metronews:

«INFO MetroNews - Attack Charlie Hebdo, the three suspects were identified

ATTACK - According to our information, the three wanted by the police after the attack occurred Wednesday morning in the offices of Charlie Hebdo were identified.

Their names and dates of birth are in police hands. Wednesday night, hours after the terrible attack against the newspaper Charlie Hebdo, the identities of the three suspects were known to the police.

This would be three men aged 18, 32, 34 years. The two thirty, of French nationality, are brothers born in the 10th arrondissement of Paris. They are named Said and Cherif K .. The nationality of the younger Hamyd M., homeless, was not known. The latter was registered in 2014 Terminal S in a school in Charleville-Mezieres in the Academy of Reims (Champagne-Ardennes). The Union Ardennes indicated at the end of the afternoon the RAID went side Reims.»

Link: http://www.metronews.fr/info/attenta...6R1qjYdgLbxjQ/

[Carmody]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
And weren't AK-47 designed to cause maximum damage IE the bullets start to flip to cause biggest hole it can, and ejection!

The American 5.56 was designed to tumble.

the AK-47, was designated with that title, due to the year of it's introduction, which is 1947.

It was modeled after the original from WWII, the first assault rifle, the German MP 43 and MP 44.

They saw a lot of action on the eastern front, which is how the Russians came to decide on making their own easy to build version of them. Both of those were basically smaller than most rifles and auto machine guns of the time, which is perfect for effective close quarters fighting, which warfare had become by that time. The design of the AK-47 was for short and medium range use in city, town, street, cluttered or wooded environments, maxing out around 250m, but more like 'across the street and around corners'. Ie, power in the range and distances required. An AK-47 has a potent enough round that a light glancing blow on the head is enough to shatter the skull and break so many blood vessels in the brain that death is the result.

In the final analysis, they were never designed to tumble. Again, to clarify the American 5.56 design was designed to tumble. Or, more correctly, possibly..that it was shown to tumble and no redesign effort to eliminate the pronounced effect was ever undertaken. They were brought into service to help overcome the considered shortcomings of the (at that time) near ubiquitous .308 full auto big-bore units.

[Gaia]

This his my point of view about this horrible event:

Freedom of the press is an inalienable freedom, and if one is challenging a publication, it is enough peaceful means of expressing his own opinion. It is now too late to say that journalists would be wrong, which remains unproven. On these barbaric methods, no to compromise : It is vile ; it is loose, it's horrible ; this is barbaric! It is a sad day, je n'ai plus de mot...

[naste.de.lumina]

Posted by Carmody (here)
video already gone.

Point being that head shots create massive gouts of blood, as the body goes crazy and brings the blood pressure up to the highest levels is will ever deal with, unless being crushed.

There is even a well known and widely applied aspect of crime scene forensics to deal with that aspect, which is 'blood spatter patterns'.

Suffice it to say, a head shot at point blank range, with a AK-47 7.62x39 FMJ round, will be about 1600 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. This means a severe trauma of the brain tissue and a great amount of arterial destruction (in the brain). Which means that the body, full of adrenaline, in total shock, will indeed pump the body's blood out of the wound entry and exit points at a high pressure and high rate. This high flow would begin to appear, in the given scene, in about 1-1.5 seconds. Expect a minimum of about 2 liters before the heart might stop,and up to 4 liters in the most extreme. So, half a gallon to as much as a gallon of blood.

I cannot see the video, but if it showed even a few seconds of after the shooting in the head, then the blood flow should be in 99 out of a 100 cases...it should be extreme. There should even be a spatter of blood from the shot itself, plus fleshy debris.

They remove the video and I put again.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Be8tXmF5RrY

This video has been removed in violation of YouTube's policy on shocking and disgusting content.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8W-ZAh7MQVY

This video has been removed in violation of YouTube's policy on shocking and disgusting content.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=csb2SqVAl78

[EWO]

Wow I did not expect them to take it down so fast. They left the blurred one and the one where the scene is cut out.
Im glad someone saved it as seen in the post right above.

video already gone.

Point being that head shots create massive gouts of blood, as the body goes crazy and brings the blood pressure up to the highest levels is will ever deal with, unless being crushed.

There is even a well known and widely applied aspect of crime scene forensics to deal with that aspect, which is 'blood spatter patterns'.

Suffice it to say, a head shot at point blank range, with a AK-47 7.62x39 FMJ round, will be about 1600 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. This means a severe trauma of the brain tissue and a great amount of arterial destruction (in the brain). Which means that the body, full of adrenaline, in total shock, will indeed pump the body's blood out of the wound entry and exit points at a high pressure and high rate. This high flow would begin to appear, in the given scene, in about 1-1.5 seconds. Expect a minimum of about 2 liters before the heart might stop,and up to 4 liters in the most extreme. So, half a gallon to as much as a gallon of blood.

I cannot see the video, but if it showed even a few seconds of after the shooting in the head, then the blood flow should be in 99 out of a 100 cases...it should be extreme. There should even be a spatter of blood from the shot itself, plus fleshy debris.

[araucaria]

I’ve been out at the local rally. There have been a lot of people in the streets around the country tonight. Not to express outrage at the loss of innocent lives at the hands of a whole race of fanatical fundamentalists, but to state their solidarity with the values of brave political cartoonists who have been household names for decades, publishing in more mainstream papers than just Charlie Hebdo itself, and have been directly in the firing line since they published the Danish cartoons that led to the death of Van Gogh. As former student leader Daniel Cohn-Bendit has said, they embodied what was left of the anticonformist spirit of May 68, and every postwar generation can identify at least to some extent with those values.

Hence, whoever actually pulled the trigger, and whoever actually was behind them, since they were likely in any case poor French-born nobodies – in other words whether or not it was a false flag operation – is secondary IMO to the targeting of these particular victims, which, again IMO, was a huge mistake. False flag scenarios are different every time: remember the London Olympics when the much-feared event turned out to be no more than a Korean waving a “false”, i.e. wrong flag. The fear was generated in anticipation and nothing further was required. This time the victims were too close to everyday folks to inspire feelings of nationalism.

This time I think someone has shot themselves in the foot. Sure, the political goal behind this was to get the far right to fill the current political vacuum in 2017, after the recent media campaigns of the likes of Zemmour and Houellebecq (see Violet’s post #15) failed to deliver. But I expect that the hoped-for anti-Islamic backlash will also fail to materialize. Why? Because the message people will take from this is not “they are jealous of our freedom” (whatever that was supposed to mean); it is more like “we are jealous of our freedom to use our intelligence and our hearts”. Because, you see, “they” have just unleashed in the public consciousness a heightened awareness of the basic message of Cabu and Co: “l’amour est plus fort que la haine” (“love is stronger than hate”). We should be grateful for them for doing such a good job with propagating that message. Remember Tolkein: Gollum is needed to destroy the Ring.

[thunder24]

first thing that came to mind was mossad...

didn't france vote to recognize Palestine???

[Ki's]

I've hunted most of my life and I don't quite understand that video of the shooting. In every instance, whether killing a woodchuck with a 22 or a deer with a 12 guage...the animal has always been tumbled by the impact of the shot. It looks like it was aimed at or between the shoulders and shouldn't that have shown a significant exit wound at the front of the body with more damage to the pavement? I'm not familiar with military weapons but I would have expected much more visible trauma.

[Earthship]

Posted by Carmody (here)
video already gone.

Which means that the body, full of adrenaline, in total shock, will indeed pump the body's blood out of the wound entry and exit points at a high pressure and high rate. This high flow would begin to appear, in the given scene, in about 1-1.5 seconds. Expect a minimum of about 2 liters before the heart might stop,and up to 4 liters in the most extreme. So, half a gallon to as much as a gallon of blood.

I cannot see the video, but if it showed even a few seconds of after the shooting in the head, then the blood flow should be in 99 out of a 100 cases...it should be extreme. There should even be a spatter of blood from the shot itself, plus fleshy debris.

In post 26 is the video -slow motion- in which it seems that the gunman fails to shot at the head, but the police remain quiet, motionless, after that. Using "Occam´s razor", maybe the more logic explanation is this: after the failed shot the policeman pretended to be dead, in order to avoid more shots (as some insects does), but in the end this policeman died because of the other shots.

[naste.de.lumina]

Posted by Earthship (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
video already gone.

Which means that the body, full of adrenaline, in total shock, will indeed pump the body's blood out of the wound entry and exit points at a high pressure and high rate. This high flow would begin to appear, in the given scene, in about 1-1.5 seconds. Expect a minimum of about 2 liters before the heart might stop,and up to 4 liters in the most extreme. So, half a gallon to as much as a gallon of blood.

I cannot see the video, but if it showed even a few seconds of after the shooting in the head, then the blood flow should be in 99 out of a 100 cases...it should be extreme. There should even be a spatter of blood from the shot itself, plus fleshy debris.

In post 26 is the video -slow motion- in which it seems that the gunman fails to shot at the head, but the police remain quiet after that. Using "Occam´s razor", maybe the more logic explanation is this: after the failed shot the policeman pretended to be dead, to avoid more shots, but in the end this policeman died because of the other shots.

I was unable to identify any injury mark this supposedly dead cop. There were several shots and then the camera moves and focuses on the police lying on the floor. But he was lucid and there is not a trace of blood.

The shooting appears to be a foot above the head of police. Also seemed to me that the ammunition is false. There was no mark on the floor which was hit by the supposed projectile. It seems Feast.

Daily Mail posted and subsequently withdrew this article shortly after the end of the incidents.

12 DEAD IN PARIS MASSACRE: Islamic gunmen execute French police officer as he pleads for his life
Daily Mail | 7 January 2015 | Simon Tomlinson and Peter Allen and Jay Akbar and Chris Pleasance

Posted on 07/01/2015 12:32:18 by KeyLargo

12 DEAD IN PARIS MASSACRE: Islamic gunmen execute French police officer as he pleads for his life after terror attack on satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo at centre of Mohammed cartoon storm

Masked gunmen storm Paris headquarters with AK-47s shouting 'Allahu akbar!' and 'the Prophet has been avenged' Stalked building asking for people's names before killing the editor and cartoonist during weekly editorial meeting Horrific footage shows a police officer begging for his life before being shot in the head at point-blank range Killers fled in stolen car across eastern Paris after a 'mass shoot-out' with police officers and remain on the loose Newspaper was previously firebombed in 2011 for publishing satirical cartoon of Prophet Mohammed

By Simon Tomlinson and Peter Allen and Jay Akbar and Chris Pleasance for MailOnline

Published: 06:16 EST, 7 January 2015 | Updated: 09:22 EST, 7 January 2015

Twelve people were killed today when gunmen carried out a 'massacre' at the offices of a notoriously anti-Islamist magazine in Paris - including a police officer who was executed as he begged for mercy on the pavement.

Two masked attackers brandishing Kalashnikovs burst into the Charlie Hebdo headquarters, opening fire on staff after seeking out journalists by name.

Those executed also included four of the most famous cartoonists in France – men who had regularly satirised Islam and the Prophet Mohammed – along with the magazine’s editor-in-chief, Stephane Charbonnier.

The killers were heard to shout 'the Prophet has been avenged' and 'Allahu akbar!' as stalked the building.

(Excerpt) Read more at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...do-attack.html

It's the same car?

[Hervé]

From Réseau Voltaire (via Giggle translate):

The mission of this commando has no connection with jihadist ideology:

Indeed, members or sympathizers of the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaeda or Daesh would not be content to only kill atheists cartoonists, they would have first destroyed the archives of the newspaper under their eyes, on the model of what they did in all of their actions in North Africa and the Levant. For jihadists, the first duty is to destroy the objects that they believe offend God, and to punish the "enemies of God."

Similarly, they would not have immediately retreated, fleeing the police, without completing their mission. They would rather complete their mission, even if it meant to die on the spot.

In contrast, videos and some evidence shows that the attackers are professionals. They are practiced at wielding their weapons and fired efficiently. They were not dressed in the fashion of the jihadists, but as military commandos.

How they executed a wounded policeman on the ground who posed no danger to them, certify that their mission was not to "avenge Muhammad" for the greasy humor of Charlie Hebdo.

[ghostrider]

Posted by Tesseract (here)

Posted by ghostrider (here)
from the writings of Enoch , and it will be the fanatics of Islam will rise up and all of Europe will shake and quiver , England will be thrown down to lowest level of Misery , the fanatics and warriors of Islam will retain their power for a long time ... not only Europe will be affected but ultimately all the countries and peoples of Earth , as the great horror expands to a war that will encompass the entire world ... France will not only be invaded by the aggressors from the outside but will be conquered from within as a result of collaborative forces and other forces ... this can be envisioned as many foreigners of a different religion living in France at that time , and specifically Islam , which will be this force from within ...

Just to be clear, are you referring to the book of enoch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch) which pre-dates Islam?

I'm referring to the contact notes of Edward Meier where he wrote predictions in 1958 and again in 1987 ...

[Gaia]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
first thing that came to mind was mossad...

didn't france vote to recognize Palestine???

It was a symbolic resolution in favor of Palestine and France's support would require the Palestinians to recognise Israel.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by araucaria (here)
I’ve been out at the local rally. There have been a lot of people in the streets around the country tonight. Not to express outrage at the loss of innocent lives at the hands of a whole race of fanatical fundamentalists, but to state their solidarity with the values of brave political cartoonists who have been household names for decades, publishing in more mainstream papers than just Charlie Hebdo itself, and have been directly in the firing line since they published the Danish cartoons that led to the death of Van Gogh. As former student leader Daniel Cohn-Bendit has said, they embodied what was left of the anticonformist spirit of May 68, and every postwar generation can identify at least to some extent with those values.

Hence, whoever actually pulled the trigger, and whoever actually was behind them, since they were likely in any case poor French-born nobodies – in other words whether or not it was a false flag operation – is secondary IMO to the targeting of these particular victims, which, again IMO, was a huge mistake. False flag scenarios are different every time: remember the London Olympics when the much-feared event turned out to be no more than a Korean waving a “false”, i.e. wrong flag. The fear was generated in anticipation and nothing further was required. This time the victims were too close to everyday folks to inspire feelings of nationalism.

This time I think someone has shot themselves in the foot. Sure, the political goal behind this was to get the far right to fill the current political vacuum in 2017, after the recent media campaigns of the likes of Zemmour and Houellebecq (see Violet’s post #15) failed to deliver. But I expect that the hoped-for anti-Islamic backlash will also fail to materialize. Why? Because the message people will take from this is not “they are jealous of our freedom” (whatever that was supposed to mean); it is more like “we are jealous of our freedom to use our intelligence and our hearts”. Because, you see, “they” have just unleashed in the public consciousness a heightened awareness of the basic message of Cabu and Co: “l’amour est plus fort que la haine” (“love is stronger than hate”). We should be grateful for them for doing such a good job with propagating that message. Remember Tolkein: Gollum is needed to destroy the Ring.

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Great post.

South park have been in a similar situation:

APRIL 15, 2010

Why South Park Loves Muhammad
Yesterday, South Park premiered its 200th episode which was a sort of tribute to every celebrity ever mocked and every controversy ever tackled by the show. The main plot was that Tom Cruise and the other celebrities filed a class-action lawsuit, which would only be dropped if the town got the Muslim prophet Muhammad to show up.

The celebrities, of course, want the prophet because every human being has a "goo" in them, and Muhammad's goo prevents anybody from ever disrespecting or mocking him. They want that power for themselves. And so begins an entire episode that flirts with how he can be shown and in what context. Is it okay to draw a stick figure version of him? To use his voice? To dress him up in a full-body mascot costume?

What's ironic is, of course, that before the violence caused by the Danish cartoons, Muhammad was shown in an earlier episode of South Park. In this episode, Jesus, Moses, Krishna, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Joseph Smith, Seaman, and Muhammad all team up to fight the new religion of David Blaine (the famous magician/ illusionist).

Here he appears with the rest of the gang:



And by himself, showing off his power of fire.


In fact, there is no real Western prohibition on depicting the prophet. He's been shown in many circumstances, from paintings of Quranic events to biographical images and even on the US Supreme Court building. The ban on a depiction of the prophet is a strictly Muslim one - Muhammad imposed it to prevent his followers from deifying him as the Christians did to Jesus. He considered the deification of a human being to be a grievous sin against God. Yet, there is no risk of a non-Muslim elevating Muhammad to the status of prophet - and it's quite certain that the theology has firmed up by now so he's pretty well established as a prophet. Nothing more and nothing less.

Orthodox Jews take their commandment of "Don't use God's name in vain" very seriously. Many will type out "God" as "G-d" for exactly this purpose. Yet it would be unthinkable that a Jewish person would force a non-Jew to follow their custom. It stems from their theology and their holy texts, not from anybody else's. Likewise, the example of depicting the prophet is almost exactly analogous. The only reason that their customs get preference over the Jewish G-d custom is because of fear of violent reprisal. This is the part that South Park pointed out constantly last night. And it's one we should think about seriously.

http://raviskudesia.blogspot.co.uk/2...-muhammad.html

[M0JFK]

possible false flag?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sngK2zife8k

[Hervé]

Combine the above with post # 33...

Charlie Hebdo's cartoonists are dead.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

CARTOONISTS RESPOND TO SHOOTING:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/15-carto...-shooting.html

This is brilliant and moving.

[Jean-Luc]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
CARTOONISTS RESPOND TO SHOOTING:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/15-carto...-shooting.html

This is brilliant and moving.

Moving perhaps, but jumping to conclusions. A possible aim of this (horrible) game.

Many people were moved and made to jump to conclusions by other dramatic events in the past.

Beside some early suspicion based on very little factual evidence other than some shouts and a magically found ID card reminiscent of some passport miraculously found in some dust 15 years ago, what does the world (media, you, me) know about the criminals and their sponsors ?

Close to nothing.

But the idea this is in an Islamist extremism plot is tentatively being planted, into the uneducated public mind by the MSM, with all turbo engines on.

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P.S. While waiting for more solid data & reliable information, here is a 3 minutes lecture done 3 years ago by 9 years old Alex Jones' son providing a refreshing view of 101 state sponsored terrorism : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLcwfJiMBeA#t=252 (from 4:12 to 7:40). Sit back, relax & enjoy.