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    Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    The State Duma Committee for Constitutional Law is putting forward a bill which would allow the authorities to ban the activities of foreign or international groups that are recognized as “posing a threat to the nation’s security or defense ability.

    The head of the committee, MP Vladimir Pligin (United Russia) told the TASS news agency that it would recommend the legislature hold the first hearing on the motion on January 20.

    The initiative, dubbed by the mass media as the “Undesirable Groups Bill” was drafted in late November last year by two opposition lawmakers, Aleksandr Tarnavskiy from the leftist party Fair Russia and Anton Ishchenko of the nationalist Liberal-Democratic Party of Russia.

    “Today we live in a period when some foreign organizations behave not in the best way. The reasons may vary, some act on requests of intelligence services, others have different motives. Sometimes it is even economic, they create problems for Russia in order to cheaply purchase Russian assets,” MP Tarnavskiy said as he presented the bill to the parliamentary committee. “The main objective of the motion is to demonstrate the existence of groups that are unfriendly to Russia,” he added.


    http://rt.com/politics/222883-russia...e-groups-bill/

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    The important point, the all important point, IMO.... is that it is being done out in the open.
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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    If countries start screwing with the Schengen Agreement then you travelers better get your fill of checkpoint-free Europe while you can. As of right now one passport will grant you access to most European countries, until you start getting deep into the Slavic eastern European countries.

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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    Not sure what the Schengen agreement in Europe could possible have to do with the OP... did I miss something?


    It would be useful for discussion to read the rest of the OP article:

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    The main idea behind the bill is that the Prosecutor General’s Office together with the Justice Ministry and Interior Ministry should create an official list of “undesirable foreign organizations” and outlaw their activities in the country.

    The main criteria for putting an organization, which can be a foreign or international NGO as well as a company on the list is, “the threat to the defense capability or security of the Russian State,” or “the threat to public order and people’s health.”

    After the group is recognized as “undesirable”, the authorities would freeze its accounts in Russian banks and impound any property on Russian territory. The organization would also be banned from opening offices, branches or affiliate companies in Russia, and barred from collecting donations or distributing propaganda. The bill also stipulates that individual foreign members of the banned groups would be banned from entering the country.

    The bill suggests that Russian citizens found guilty of assisting undesirable foreign organizations could be punished with fines of between 10,000 and 100,000 rubles ($160 - $1600 at current rate).Repeated offenses could carry criminal responsibility with a maximum of 8 years in prison. However, anyone who voluntarily quits working for an undesirable foreign organization must not be criminally prosecuted, the draft reads.

    The bill on “undesirable groups” is in line with the “Foreign Agents Law” introduced in late 2012. According to this act, all NGOs who receive funding from abroad, and that are even partially engaged in political activities, must register as foreign agents or risk substantial fines. In November last year the “Foreign Agents Law” was expanded with a bill that makes it illegal for Russian political parties to receive sponsorship, or enter any business deals with NGOs with “foreign agent” status.
    http://rt.com/politics/222883-russia...e-groups-bill/

    The article in the OP might be a bit reassuring, in a certain sense, for anyone who thinks that certain UN sponsored meddling Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) are a part of the NWO and to those who think that the NWO is a threat to humanity. I'm sure you all could name a few....

    This proposed Russian "prohibition" (isolation?) law could also appear to be an attack on freedom of association, freedom of speech, and many other freedoms that we can list from the point of view to many other kinds of NGOs.

    The range and numbers of NGOs is incredible; just look here: http://www.wango.org/resources.aspx?section=ngodir

    Not all NGOs are associated with the UN. These are and there are surely many many more: http://www.ngo.org/links/list.htm

    The Wiki insert on NGOs says:

    Quote A non-governmental organization (NGO) is the term commonly used for an organization that is neither a part of a government nor a conventional for-profit business.

    Usually set up by ordinary citizens, NGOs may be funded by governments, foundations, businesses, or private persons. Some avoid formal funding altogether and are run primarily by volunteers. NGOs are highly diverse groups of organizations engaged in a wide range of activities, and take different forms in different parts of the world. Some may have charitable status, while others may be registered for tax exemption based on recognition of social purposes. Others may be fronts for political, religious or other interest groups.

    The number of NGOs in the United States is estimated at 1.5 million.[1] Russia has 277,000 NGOs.[2]
    I think a sovreign government should have the "right" to set its laws to promote its internal agendae as long as it promotes the positive progress of humanity....BUT... I think that history also proves that humanity has not yet acquired the aptitude necessary for soverign nations to live in peace with one another for extended periods of time...without some looneytoon military psycho coming along and using "forse".... and unfortunately, it seems we need overseers for the overseers to the infinitessimal degree.... a position the NGOs try occupy.....poor us...
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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    The idea of restored sovereignty (also in the form of going back to the original currencies) has been circulating the EU for a long time now. It seems even - the Schengen example set aside - that the EU is gradually giving into that as recently with the introduction in the European union of certain GMO foods, like potatoes and corn, the countries were given the choice of allowing it on their markets or not. So you could end up with GMO food in the Netherlands that is prohibited in Belgium, and there was some discussion about that, argumenting EU legislation should not vary from member state to member state. Perhaps Russia and other parts of the world also want to either solidify, preserve or, as in EU members' case restore full sovereignty. Undoing globalism, who knows.

    Now with the terror alarm raised in many places, perhaps it will become possible after all (and to a certain extent of course. It will be very hard to undo cultural globalisation, I figure)

    I don't know if there's a link. Sometimes patterns form.
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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    Yes, I agree, Violet.

    This and other Russian legislation appears to want to defend its sovereignty... and I am all for that for any nation, personally. What the rest of us (me, at least) don't want to see is the lifting of a new iron curtain or Chinese wall.

    And yes, the problem of GMOs slipping through EU legislation (does the "EU legislation" really bear any weight for the EU member states at this time in history?) is a big problem for the (still) sovereign EU countries who don't want them. As it is, supposedly, Russia has banned growing them as well as banned the importing of products that might contain them. I seem to remember Putin saying something like, "If the US wants GMO, let them eat it! We don't need GMO!"... then Russia went to South America for groceries (which grows a lot of GMO, btw.)

    I truely understand the "need" of more controll at the borders of the EU... I live near the It/CH border and quite often we get word of "suspects" being stopped/arrested coming in from or trying to go into CH (Switzerland) even though the CH, not being a part of the EU, has agreed to the Schengen Free Passage Agreement. That, too, might change in the near future as there has been much gossip that the CH wants to back out of that agreement for safety reasons.

    And, yes, globalization will be very hard to undo, as many cutural aspects of groups of peoples have been lost in the course of "progress", but if global FEAR causes a retreat to redefining national territories and agendae, that, too, may change, for better or worse....
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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    Ha, MorningSong you don't have to agree with me.

    However, if we spot the same things, maybe it means something.

    These are very confusing times. I personally find it hard to judge the appropriateness of certain measures now. I think in Russia too, this immediate action prevents people from thinking through options and alternatives. It's all going so fast. In sales there is a rule to the effect of not allowing the customer too much time to think things through.

    And then the constant we-they feeling that is instilled in the people. Is it nationalism, protectionism, fascism,...? The lines are thin.
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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    I think we can say Bye Bye BP pretty soon,

    Mother Russia is having an aBPortion @_@

    foreign oil grabbers are unwelcome nowadays

    edit: thar will be blood, etc, i drink your milkshake, etc.
    Kuwait repeating.... eek

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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

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    Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    The State Duma Committee for Constitutional Law is putting forward a bill which would allow the authorities to ban the activities of foreign or international groups that are recognized as “posing a threat to the nation’s security or defense ability.

    The head of the committee, MP Vladimir Pligin (United Russia) told the TASS news agency that it would recommend the legislature hold the first hearing on the motion on January 20.

    The initiative, dubbed by the mass media as the “Undesirable Groups Bill” was drafted in late November last year by two opposition lawmakers, Aleksandr Tarnavskiy from the leftist party Fair Russia and Anton Ishchenko of the nationalist Liberal-Democratic Party of Russia.

    “Today we live in a period when some foreign organizations behave not in the best way. The reasons may vary, some act on requests of intelligence services, others have different motives. Sometimes it is even economic, they create problems for Russia in order to cheaply purchase Russian assets,” MP Tarnavskiy said as he presented the bill to the parliamentary committee. “The main objective of the motion is to demonstrate the existence of groups that are unfriendly to Russia,” he added.


    http://rt.com/politics/222883-russia...e-groups-bill/

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    The important point, the all important point, IMO.... is that it is being done out in the open.
    Now where going to find out whether Russia/Putin really are enemies of the NWO (I still have my Doubts)...

    I thought about this long and hard over the last year...

    Quote Theory:

    If any Country were truly against the NWO CABAL, you'd think they would be crying out from the rooftops to ((PUBICLALLY-EXPOSE)) the Criminal activities carried out by the Cabal...
    I'll be watching this play-out very closely, let's wait & see just how committed Russia/Putin are...

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    Quote Nordic Council of Ministers 'Office in St. Petersburg on Monday received a letter from the local prosecutor's office, demanding that the Council of Ministers' Office in St. Petersburg with immediate effect should be registered as a foreign agent in Russia.

    2015-01-12

    Source; norden.org
    Link (in swedish): http://www.norden.org/sv/aktuellt/ny...garmyndigheten

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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    Interesting article. I wonder if the bill will be used to round up foreign agents seen as operating against the wishes of the state (like the EU/CIA manipulation in the Ukraine) or if it would be to rid the country of foreign entities with nefarious motives (like Monsanto or foreign Oil interests) or both. There are so many other possibilities and it will be something worth monitoring to see how it is put into practice.

    Russia is such an interesting place.

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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    Quote Posted by Sophocles (here)
    Quote Nordic Council of Ministers 'Office in St. Petersburg on Monday received a letter from the local prosecutor's office, demanding that the Council of Ministers' Office in St. Petersburg with immediate effect should be registered as a foreign agent in Russia.

    2015-01-12

    Source; norden.org
    Link (in swedish): http://www.norden.org/sv/aktuellt/ny...garmyndigheten
    I'm surprised that is not the case already?
    This is not such a big deal considering in the US, Washington DC is a foreign state to the united States of America. And reciprocally all the Citizens are considered foreign to Washington DC via the registration and use of Birth Certificates... And it's not the BC's themselves, but how people choose to identify themselves with these certificates... Yes it's a huge set up... but the information has now been evolved enough in the last 20 years to expose this issue.

    "Buckle your seat belt Dorothy, Kansas is going bye bye..." as allusion to Wiz Of Oz... "Your not in Kansas anymore..." (because you have opted to be in KA, a registered creation/property of Washington DC)
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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    One hour ago norwegian msm (Aftenposten) reported that The Nordic Council of Ministers decided to shut down their office in Petersburg, Kaliningrad, Murmansk, Petrozavodsk, and Arkhangelsk.

    Link (in norwegian): http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ur...r-7933823.html

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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    I can tell you that if Europe went Shengen agreement style, North America who had NAFTA that should have made cross border much easier never happened. Borders with the US has never been that thight and controlled. Prior to Nafta, we would circulate unly with a driver's license, now, passports are necessary plus US border agents trained to be the nastiest it can be, short of jailing everyone passing through.
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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    "American government speak with forked tongue"

    Some things never change.
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    Default Re: Russia begins penning 'public outing of clandestine foreign interfering entities' legislation

    russian federation will be truly 'sovereign' once the central bank becomes state controlled. until then it will always work against the public like everywhere else. tick tock.

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