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    Default Bill Ryan's 2010 interview with Credo Mutwa about Michael Tellinger

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    Hi, All: I'm starting a separate thread for this most interesting discussion.

    A brief personal statement, first, if I may:

    I don't know Michael Tellinger, and I'm not 'against' him. I have no reason to be. But I am most certainly FOR Credo Mutwa.

    I took the decision to publish this video (which had been on ice for over four years) — not so much an interview, as catching Credo with the book in his hand: it was all quite unplanned, as you can see — independently from Alfred Webre's recent interview, which totally took me by surprise. The mods team here will vouch that I had decided to publish it in the latest newsletter before Webre's piece was released.

    Here's the video... the YouTube text follows below.



    This previously unpublished video was recorded at Credo Mutwa's South African home on 3 September, 2010, when David Icke and I went to visit the Great Zulu Shaman and Historian for three weeks.

    The video records Credo critiquing Michael Tellinger's second book, TEMPLES OF THE AFRICAN GODS.

    Credo picks up the book, and says: "Here's something that really makes me angry." And he continues, in style, from there.

    Credo concludes: "The world has got to know — before Africa is destroyed,as she is in the process of being destroyed — the world has got to know, what we know."

    I never released the video at the time, as Credo takes Michael Tellinger, and his work, apart.

    The video is funny, evocative, fascinating, compelling and powerful. This is Credo at his very best.

    It's totally unedited — inasmuch as there are some interruptions, dogs barking, children playing, a radio in the background... this is Credo's home. It's totally real. As was always the case when talking with Credo, we never knew what he was going to say or do next, or what might happen around us.

    Here's an important note. I have no intention to make Michael Tellinger look bad. But I do think that this wonderful, unpublished testimony to Credo should now see the light of day.

    Bill Ryan
    January 2015


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    And here's an interesting little backstory to this release. I had been considering publishing it after all this time, after I had found all the raw footage together with a low quality export I had made a while back for a few people to see. Then, out of the blue, came this, from Alfred Webre:

    http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ry-9-2015.html

    This entire page of background on Credo and Tellinger is worth reading. To my astonishment, and without my knowledge, my own e-mail correspondence was cited from 2010. I had written to South African journalist Mel Ve:

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    Hi, Mel:

    This morning when I arrived at Credo's place I found him sitting outside with Michael Tellinger's TEMPLES OF THE AFRICAN GODS in his hand. He was exercised and irritated, and started giving a critique of all Michael's work on Adam's Calendar - going through the images in the book and explaining how Michael had got many things all wrong and that he had no idea about African culture.

    He went into quite some fascinating detail - and when I asked him if he'd spoken with Michael about this, he replied (this is a paraphrase from memory- I have this all on camera): "Tellinger doesn't want to listen to me - he only wants to use my name."

    Whatever really happened or didn't happen, there's clearly an immense wealth of accurate information about Adam's Calendar that Credo possesses which Michael (for whatever reason) has not included in his book, going instead for interpretations which Credo insists are just plain wrong.

    Credo was upset: "Someone has to correct this," he said over and over again.

    As you know, I've never met Michael, been to Adam's Calendar, or even read that book - but I absolutely trust Credo on this. You have to be with him for only 10 minutes to realize that he's a walking encyclopedia of African history, symbology, mythology and legend and cannot be swept aside.

    Credo stated, in fairness, when Michael was right. The impression I got from Credo was that the book is 50% right and 50% wrong. For Credo, one of the few remaining guardians of traditional African history and mythology, this is highly upsetting and almost a desecration of all that he feels he's trying to stand for.

    These discrepancies are problematic and are hard to explain. But they're real. I have this whole episode on camera.

    Love, Bill

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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's 2010 interview with Credo Mutwa about Michael Tellinger

    I did quick read of Webre's page on Tellinger finding a little odd he was making public his private exchanges of mails with him, back and forth (including : his Jan 9 mail : "Hello Alfred , This email is in private and only to you."). I found overall Tellinger's reaction was making pretty much sense and was subtantiated.

    Maybe this reader's reaction explains much of it.

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    You do realize that the person who calls herself "Mel Ve" has a history of smearing big names in the Alternative press? People like David Icke and Brian Gerrish? she shows up as supposedly important in Kevin Annett's organization and he gets èrashed, now it's Richael Tellinger's turn? Sounds fishy to me.
    I don't have time nor energy to put into this. But if unfair damage has been done to honest people either ways, we have to learn to better read between the lines before jumping to conclusions.
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    Default Re: PROJECT AVALON NEWSLETTER #4 : Credo Mutwa, Serpo and NORAD, Dr Bill Deagle on everything, AI Drones, and DON'T MENTION THE REPTILIANS

    I am puzzled as to why Credo Mutwa accuses Michael Tellinger of racism, yet calls his work "white excresence".
    And says that Tellinger, who as far as I have been able to tell, has helped greatly in bringing to light the importance of South Africa in mankind's history and Credo's importance as a keeper of ancient knowledge, "hates him (Credo) like a dog".
    Credo says that Sitchin was the wisest of white men, but Tellinger, as far as I know, also went to great pains to prove one of the most important of Sitchins' premises, that the Annunaki used Africans as slaves to mine African gold, and found the evidence of that with his aerial photos of the ancient mining settlements, and the mines themselves, which was an incredibly important discovery.
    I am no expert on the subject, but it seems to me that Tellinger is a white man who has done a lot to help save Africa.
    Credo has suffered greatly and witnessed terrible injustices, and I think he deserves a lot of respect and compassion, but it seems to me he is attacking the wrong man.
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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's 2010 interview with Credo Mutwa about Michael Tellinger

    Thank you Bill!

    Great letter and contents, can't wait for the developments.

    Was really pleased to see the included 'Credo Vusa'mazulu Mutwa' vid although not happy to see he at strife with Michael Tellinger.

    Here is a message and a wish for credo, his country and the peoples of the Earth from me!



    A great book, and full of the symbol language as passed on to us by Mr Credo.
    PS Bill if you haven't got the book it is for sale in paperback, not sure if the images of the symbol language is included though?
    If not and if you would like to see the images I have digitized 4 or 5 pages of them.

    I would like to think this composite photo might one day be seen by Mr Credo, and hopefully he likes it!
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    Thank you for this post Bill.
    I hope this all gets sorted out in a healthy, happy way and no body gets hurt, what goes on behind the scenes ha! 0.O
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I am puzzled as to why Credo Mutwa accuses Michael Tellinger of racism, yet calls his work "white excresence".
    And says that Tellinger, who as far as I have been able to tell, has helped greatly in bringing to light the importance of South Africa in mankind's history and Credo's importance as a keeper of ancient knowledge, "hates him (Credo) like a dog".
    Credo says that Sitchin was the wisest of white men, but Tellinger, as far as I know, also went to great pains to prove one of the most important of Sitchins' premises, that the Annunaki used Africans as slaves to mine African gold, and found the evidence of that with his aerial photos of the ancient mining settlements, and the mines themselves, which was an incredibly important discovery.
    I am no expert on the subject, but it seems to me that Tellinger is a white man who has done a lot to help save Africa.
    Credo has suffered greatly and witnessed terrible injustices, and I think he deserves a lot of respect and compassion, but it seems to me he is attacking the wrong man.
    Hi onawah, I am a bit puzzled by this content as well, I had no idea of the rift between the two.
    I can only summarize that a great deal of Mr Credo's upset comes from Mr Tellinger's miss interpretation of the land marks and circular markings, as well as other history miss statements.

    I need to look at this situation and Mr Tellinger's ideas and works in a different light DOH o.o will I ever get in-front of the game, need facts! Mr Credo is a man of deep knowledge and facts, he is a mystic knowledge/history keeper!
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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's 2010 interview with Credo Mutwa about Michael Tellinger

    Credo Mutwa is a treasure , the last in a long line of shaman taught not by books but by word of mouth , the old way knowledge was passed down ... I can see his frustration , information about ancient Africa put in book form passed around the world by someone out of the loop , the world believes it , and he says it's incorrect in places , thus real history is lost when Credo is gone ... how many times in history are mistakes made and passed on as fact ???
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    Default Re: PROJECT AVALON NEWSLETTER #4 : Credo Mutwa, Serpo and NORAD, Dr Bill Deagle on everything, AI Drones, and DON'T MENTION THE REPTILIANS

    I can relate, Gripreaper!
    I have my doubts about Bill Deagle.
    He is certainly brilliant and can talk the talk, but I have a hard time believing he has done all he has claimed.
    Just from the little investigating I've done, apparently quite a few people have checked into his background and found no evidence that he was actually where he claimed he was, doing what he claimed he was doing at the time in several important instances.
    Though, imho, there is certainly much evidence of his having a tremendous ego (not something I would expect to see in one of the 2 witnesses described in the Book of Revelations, if there are actually 2 such beings, and he claims he is one).
    Others say that a lot of his prophecies have come true, but I haven't been keeping score of that, so I couldn't say.
    But there is more than one way of knowing about the future, since so many future events these days have been planned and executed by you know who.
    These rabbit holes just seem to get deeper and deeper...
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    Default Re: PROJECT AVALON NEWSLETTER #4 : Credo Mutwa, Serpo and NORAD, Dr Bill Deagle on everything, AI Drones, and DON'T MENTION THE REPTILIANS

    Oh, THANK you for this Bill! I had been wanting to post the Alfred Webre and Mel Ve videos here, but something held me back - now I know why. I am just so, SO glad that at long last, this issue has seen the light of day, and I look forward to watching this one.

    Credo had a son, but the son was murdered by "necklace" (burning tyre round the neck), and that really broke Credo. He was persecuted for the ancient knowledge he held, and he has not been properly honoured in South Africa for who he is. He is a living part of our cultural heritage, but there are no accolades for him, as he is not politically approved.

    He has been a prophet without honour in his own country, and ironically, it is mostly Caucasians who appreciate him, and some have exploited him.

    But his Legacy will live on. He has held the true ancient knowledge of Africa here all this time, despite all that he has suffered.

    Thank you again, Bill, for this!
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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's 2010 interview with Credo Mutwa about Michael Tellinger

    Hi everyone,

    I see that there is a great misunderstanding cropping up yet again surrounding Michael Tellinger and Credo and want to bring everyone's attention to my interview with Michael where we talk about the circumstances surrounding Michael's relationship with Credo. There is a clear statement there from Michael as well on the page along with pictures.


    http://projectcamelotproductions.com...tellinger.html

    It is vitally important that people understand there may be a number of things at work here that often crop up with people who are heavily surveilled and also targeted not only by militaries with various agendas but also beings from off planet and in this case, reptilian races who consider they own this planet and mainly live underground or in 4D. Credo is very likely being targeted to behave a certain way. And by the way so is Webre and so are others.

    I would also urge people not to assume that indigenous people who have contact with various on and off planet races (sometimes called 'alien' which is actually incorrect since many are related to us through DNA) are not necessarily positive. Sometimes, as many of you already know, these ET races are what we call service-to-self. Just because an indigenous race claims to have knowledge and deep understanding, keep in mind that individuals as well as whole clans or tribes can easily be as mislead as any modern day human. Therefore, an unreasonable sense of awe and honoring of the so-called 'ancestors' can be misplaced and detrimental to understanding the true nature of what contribution (negative or positive) to the planet and humanity, actually is.

    I know Michael Tellinger well, have visited Adams Calendar 3 or 4 times and shot a documentary about it for those interested. As an intuitive, I can tell you that Adams Calendar is a time travel device among it's many other purposes... I was instantly drawn to go there from the first time that I saw the pictures and heard about it. It is a substantial portal and power place.

    I have known Michael for many years. He has a true heart and is in service to humanity.

    For those interested in learning more about Adam's Calendar, a place on equal with the great ancient sites in Egypt, I encourage you to view my documentary here:
    http://projectcamelotportal.com/comp...ar-documentary

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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's 2010 interview with Credo Mutwa about Michael Tellinger

    So, on the one hand, we have Bill telling us that Credo is pretty much at odds with Tellinger, or at least that Credo feels he is being used as publicity. Enter Kerry, who says that everything is actually fine, and it's a misunderstanding. What an interesting place this has become. Get your discernment hats on!

    Edit: None of this matters, anyway. The important thing is Africa, itself.
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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's 2010 interview with Credo Mutwa about Michael Tellinger

    I have my discernment hat fully on. I find it very healthy to air out contested narratives, as sunshine disinfects.

    I am South African, I grew up with Credo Mutwa's work, I have the first edition of his book "Indaba, My Children" which my mother gave to me. I also have his other books. He is the soul of Africa, and whatever is going on here, that does not change.

    He inspired me to make this short video, with my heartfelt plea for Africa to be healed, a soul urge I carry in resonance with Credo.

    This is all I have to say on this for now:


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    Im happy to see a thread about this here on PA, i have a great respect for Alfred Webre and Michael Tellinger both a doing a great service to humanity.

    I realy dont know what happend between Alfred and Michael but for me it coin of looks like a little private War going on there, guys its not about EGOs its about steering this Boat out of the troubled zone...

    In his last interview that Alfred did with Credo he steered the interview clearly into the direction blaming Michael Tellinger for something i could sense that credo didnt even wanted to talk about it, to bad Credo is not as fit anymore and he forgets alot of things his wife was all the time interupting and throwing words into the conversation i realy dont understand what Alfreds motivation could be to use his service-to-others channel to blame someone that cant even answer to it.


    all this story got a bad taste ... and maybe alfred and michael should have a privat talk to clear certain things up.
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    it gets crazier by the day (sorry to be a bit off topic here); I thought Mel Ve was Dutch, not South African (or is she of the Afrikaans faction?- doesn't matter either way)- anyway, Mel Ve did a tremendous interview with David Icke (endorsed him) but has supposedly distanced herself from Kevin Annett; can anyone explain to me what is going on here?- I'm completely stymied...

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    I don't see a conflict between what Bill and Kerry is presenting, just confusing. When it comes to our history, it's best to lay it all out on the table and no matter what's going on, Bill's video is another part of the puzzle. These ETs/IBs have a lot to answer for.
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    Absolutely wonderful video - a real treasure! Fascinating to hear about the Sumerian gods and what their names mean. Look at the tin creatures at the end - I'm so glad you moved at the end, Bill so the immediate surroundings could be caught too.

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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's 2010 interview with Credo Mutwa about Michael Tellinger

    Quote Posted by Cardillac (here)
    it gets crazier by the day (sorry to be a bit off topic here); I thought Mel Ve was Dutch, not South African (or is she of the Afrikaans faction?- doesn't matter either way)- anyway, Mel Ve did a tremendous interview with David Icke (endorsed him) but has supposedly distanced herself from Kevin Annett; can anyone explain to me what is going on here?- I'm completely stymied...

    Larry
    Mel Ve (Melanie Vermaak) is South African born, but married to a Dutch citizen, so now living in the Netherlands.

    In her investigative reporting, she has a track record of linking up with people, then falling out with them, or somehow always being there when things fall apart.

    The first was David Icke.

    Then the fallout with Kevin Annett.

    Following that she hooked up with SWISSINDO, went over to Indonesia, and it ended up with the South African citizens being deported from Indonesia for violating their Visa conditions, and Mr Sino looking ineffective for not being able to stop the deportation. It was clear that someone tipped off the Indonesian government, as only the South Africans were deported (South Africans have some of the most extreme travel restrictions in the world, and cannot travel to many places without going through vigorous pre-screening to obtain Visas) - none of the others were deported. Here is a short clip on that incident:



    and we have not heard very much from SWISSINDO since.

    Next, was the OPPT, or the One People, where she befriended the friends of Heather Tucci Jarraf, and the next thing, they all turned on Heather, and this was captured here:



    so that was the end of Heather.

    Now, it is Michael Tellinger.

    So, it could be that she is just a very effective investigative reporter. Or it could just be coincidence that whatever she goes near, ends up fractured and splintered, divided. To be fair, she has done some really good work, and wrote a book "The South African Guide to the Global Conspiracy", which is available here. She also gives more about her background in the first part of her book.

    I have been following her for a while, mainly because I corresponded very briefly with her when David Icke was meant to come to South Africa for a public event, but that fell apart, as evidenced in the link I provided on David Icke above.

    I have not formed any conclusions yet, but just noted her track record.

    Hope this helps fill in some of the blanks.
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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's 2010 interview with Credo Mutwa about Michael Tellinger

    Now after ive seen the interview my question to you bill, why did you keep it in the box for so long and what was the reason for putting it out now, did you ever tried to contact tellinger to see his side of the story?

    Thanks for putting it out now bill i wonder what other treasures u have in your archive
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    "Elephants" in the stone circle if you ask me.

    The logistics Tellinger spells out : the time involved in making just one circle is just not feasible - the shear volume of them is almost unbelievable - the masses of humans remains - non-existent.

    Why Credo is acting like a jealous and almost vindictive "wise shaman" is bizarre? Playing the race card - huge defamatory statements , childish. I have listened and watched Tellinger since he came to light.

    This EXCELLENT COMPREHENSIVE lecture is mind blowing:


    Sorry Credo, I dunno whats up - but I've lost some respect - and feel you're covering up something (aka Zahi Hawass).

    Credo never explains how the circles were made - and tells us elephants were trained (must of been a few) to 'park' next to these circles so people could step down into these 'habitats'.

    I'm thinking he has been threatened in some way, or mind tinkered. Or perhaps it's just 'old age'. What a shame.

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    vincit omnia veritas...

    Let us be reminded of the things which unite us, not the things which tear us apart. We deal with the principalities of the astral which attempt to distract and divide, ANYTHING to keep us from embracing the feminine aspect of creation, irritating and stimulating the lower terrestrial impulses to remain in the patriarch.

    We are so much more than this.

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