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    Default An Indisputable Database for Chemtrail Deniers

    Over the years, The Washington Post acquired numerous awards for excellent investigative journalism, etc., including the prestigious Pulitzer Prize several times, the last being in 2014. One would imagine—at least this writer’s journalistic opinion—that extensive and accurate research would be the ground floor for factual, open-source, non-pejorative, non-ad hominem reporting and journalism. When journalist Puneet Kollipara postulates, “Meet the “chemtrails” crowd, who posit that governments, scientists and other institutions are using airplanes’ “chemtrails” — basically contrails that are allegedly laced with chemicals — to alter the climate, create extreme weather, poison people, or even control our minds,” and “In short, chemtrails itself is a conspiracy theory,” someone needs to point out that The Washington Post team should have done their homework more diligently, as there are hundreds of federal government agency reports and, in particular, U.S. Patents of record, for managing weather systems. Many are listed in the Weather Geoengineering / Chemtrail Database generated by this writer in the following eye opening must read linked report. http://www.activistpost.com/2015/01/...chemtrail.html

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    Over the years, The Washington Post acquired numerous awards for excellent investigative journalism, etc., including the prestigious Pulitzer Prize several times, the last being in 2014. One would imagine—at least this writer’s journalistic opinion—that extensive and accurate research would be the ground floor for factual, open-source, non-pejorative, non-ad hominem reporting and journalism. When journalist Puneet Kollipara postulates, “Meet the “chemtrails” crowd, who posit that governments, scientists and other institutions are using airplanes’ “chemtrails” — basically contrails that are allegedly laced with chemicals — to alter the climate, create extreme weather, poison people, or even control our minds,” and “In short, chemtrails itself is a conspiracy theory,” someone needs to point out that The Washington Post team should have done their homework more diligently, as there are hundreds of federal government agency reports and, in particular, U.S. Patents of record, for managing weather systems. Many are listed in the Weather Geoengineering / Chemtrail Database generated by this writer in the following eye opening must read linked report. http://www.activistpost.com/2015/01/...chemtrail.html
    Maybe you should send them an email Jerry.

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    Well... truth, to the Washington Post, is only something they care about when it serves the interests of the elite. I have long since stopped expecting any form of it from "mainstream" "news"papers. They will never look at the research, patents or anything else and put 2 and 2 together.

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    I was very recently reading material from Jay's Analysis which included a take on the film "Snowpiercer" (fiction that begins with global catastrophe/ice age due to geoengineering of the skies).
    http://jaysanalysis.com/2014/11/08/t...wpiercer-2013/

    He says:

    "To see a film present the very real threat of geoengineering and climate alteration through aerosol spraying, as well as questioning the “global warming” hoax (now morphed into “climate change” by public relations consultants) is startling to say the least. While there may be some film that has previously questioned these establishment orthodoxies, I am not aware of it. For unknowing skeptics and system hacks, I present two clear examples of the reality of aerosol chemical spraying (“chemtrails,” as opposed to normal ice crystal “con trails”) and geoengineering that are undeniable.

    The first is The Guardian’s piece on Bill Gates’ support for geoengineering, under the very auspices Snowpiercer questions – global warming. The Guardian reports in its 2012 article, ‘Bill Gates Backs Climate Scientists Lobbying for Large-Scale Geoengineering':
    http://www.theguardian.com/environme...geoengineering

    ' “A small group of leading climate scientists, financially supported by billionaires including Bill Gates, are lobbying governments and international bodies to back experiments into manipulating the climate on a global scale to avoid catastrophic climate change. The scientists, who advocate geoengineering methods such as spraying millions of tonnes of reflective particles of sulphur dioxide 30 miles above earth, argue that a “plan B” for climate change will be needed if the UN and politicians cannot agree to making the necessary cuts in greenhouse gases, and say the US government and others should pay for a major programme of international research.” '

    "Skeptics are likely to claim this is only theoretical, inasmuch as the article reports on scientists merely calling for this, as opposed to it actually being accomplished. Such naiveté is common on these matters, as so-called skeptics perpetually display their own ignorance of establishment tendencies. Like the taunting of psychopathic criminals, whatever is “called for” in the news is generally what’s actually been practiced for a long while, and aerosol geoengineering and atmospheric manipulation is no exception. The technology is decades old*, and began as weather warfare during World War II, where seasonal changes and storms could be harnessed to harm enemy resources through controlled droughts, floods, etc. Earthquake weaponry also falls into this category, as well as biological warfare, EMPs and HAARP, all falling under the broad umbrella of the concept of weaponized nature.** However, for hardened skeptics, I refer to the even stronger example of the Stanford VLF Group, which openly publishes dozens of scientific papers on HAARP, atmospheric aerosol spraying, geoengineering, frequency manipulation, and other advanced research projects.*** "

    * http://www.globalresearch.ca/atmosph...emtrails/20369

    ** http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/t...anscriptid=674

    ***http://vlf.stanford.edu/pubs

    Scary. The arrogance and hubris.

    Sean Stone also had a good interview with Dane Wigington on this topic:

    http://thelip.tv/episode/investigati...ane-wigington/




    Geoengineering researcher and former solar power employee Dane Wigington discusses his belief that governmental organizations are engaged in secret climate engineering that is unleashing dangerous heavy metals into the environment, causing a variety of serious medical conditions including autism, Alzheimer’s and ADD.

    At the beginning of the interview, host Sean Stone points out that the issue of climate engineering has been around since at least 1953, when the 83rd Congress enacted the creation of a committee to study and evaluate public and private experiments in weather modification. This was followed up in 1973, in a report to the U.S. president and Congress, by the National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmosphere, which read: “As we pointed out last year, weather modification within the federal government is carried out by seven agencies, to meet their mission needs.”

    Wigington says that of course weather modification procedures are still occurring today, and despite an alleged coverup of the practice, “a wakeup” of the issue is beginning to take hold.

    “You do have those that, the more proof that’s brought out, the more adamant their denial is. But that’s simply all it is,” he said. “We have filmed footage of this happening at altitude. And we have hundreds of lab tests from around the globe to confirm the exact primary elements named and climate engineering patents showing up on the ground in absolutely massive quantities. I mean there’s no rational denials of these programs going on right now.”

    But he claims that there’s a very strong effort by a lot of people to keep the activities from being exposed.

    “I had a recent conversation with one of the architects of these programs, and in that conversation, he made it clear – I think the terms were – if the public ever found out about these programs, they would seek out those responsible and either hang them or place them in front of a firing squad, his terms. So clearly they know that the public would be furious if they knew these programs were going on and contaminating themselves, their children, with these toxic heavy metals.”

    He promised not to disclose source’s identity, but says he recognizes the man’s name from documents indicating that he worked in a government lab, going back as far as 1980. He says the documents also show an arrogance on the part of officials involved, who believe it’s their right to decide who gets rain and who doesn’t, how toxic the air is, how toxic the rain is, etc. He said they see it more as a responsibility and have rationalizations for what they are doing.

    He explains his view of what the chemtrails are actually spraying. “The elements we know are primary elements, aluminum oxide, barium, we see manganese – now in some of the ice nucleation processes that are going on, this is a big part of these programs. We’re seeing copper, lead, these materials should not be in our rain.”

    While some people point out that aluminum is a common element in the environment and is not surprising that it would appear in rain, Wigington says it does not evolve naturally in free form, and therefore should not be occurring in rain. “It should not be in our rain, period. “

    He cites a statistic that in California, the aquatic insect life has been found to decline by 90 percent over the past 10 years. “A virtual crash, because now our streams are flowing with aluminum – clearly this metal was not there before.

    “And we’re seeing everything we would expect to see with this contaminant being in our breathable air column. We’re seeing autism, Alzheimer’s, asthma, ADD, all the ailments we would associate with this type of heavy metal exposure are indeed going off the charts. There’s absolutely no question this it’s going on, absolutely no question it’s contaminating every single one of us.”

    He addresses the argument sometimes cited that the government is involved in affecting climate in legitimately seeding for rain. “This is not about cloud seeding for rain, not at all. Solar radiation management, the expressed purpose is to block a percentage of the sun’s incoming thermal energy with white, scattering, reflective particulates, i.e. aluminum. So the goal is to block the sun,” Wigington said.

    As for the opinion of the entire climate science community, he says there can be no legitimate discussion of climate change or global warming without first discussing climate engineering, and currently none of the world’s leading scientists in this area even acknowledge climate engineering.

    Wigington doesn’t deny that other environmental factors have affected global warming, but he emphasizes his opinion that the planet has been placed in the equivalent of “a climate engineering straight jacket,” with no change in sight. “These programs are the most immediate threat we face, I believe, based on all available data short of nuclear catastrophe.”



    Guest Bio


    Dane Wigington is the lead researcher for www.geoengineeringwatch.org and has investigated all levels of geoengineering from stratospheric aerosol geoengineering (SAG) to HAARP. He has appeared numerous films, and radio interviews to educate the public on the extremely dire environmental and health dangers we face on a global level from geoengineering.

    (see webpage for all the included links)

    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

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    Quote Posted by jerry (here)
    Over the years, The Washington Post acquired numerous awards for excellent investigative journalism, etc., including the prestigious Pulitzer Prize several times, the last being in 2014. One would imagine—at least this writer’s journalistic opinion—that extensive and accurate research would be the ground floor for factual, open-source, non-pejorative, non-ad hominem reporting and journalism. When journalist Puneet Kollipara postulates, “Meet the “chemtrails” crowd, who posit that governments, scientists and other institutions are using airplanes’ “chemtrails” — basically contrails that are allegedly laced with chemicals — to alter the climate, create extreme weather, poison people, or even control our minds,” and “In short, chemtrails itself is a conspiracy theory,” someone needs to point out that The Washington Post team should have done their homework more diligently, as there are hundreds of federal government agency reports and, in particular, U.S. Patents of record, for managing weather systems. Many are listed in the Weather Geoengineering / Chemtrail Database generated by this writer in the following eye opening must read linked report. http://www.activistpost.com/2015/01/...chemtrail.html
    Maybe you should send them an email Jerry.
    you think they would read it ?

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    Quote Posted by jerry (here)
    Quote Posted by Omniverse (here)
    Quote Posted by jerry (here)
    Over the years, The Washington Post acquired numerous awards for excellent investigative journalism, etc., including the prestigious Pulitzer Prize several times, the last being in 2014. One would imagine—at least this writer’s journalistic opinion—that extensive and accurate research would be the ground floor for factual, open-source, non-pejorative, non-ad hominem reporting and journalism. When journalist Puneet Kollipara postulates, “Meet the “chemtrails” crowd, who posit that governments, scientists and other institutions are using airplanes’ “chemtrails” — basically contrails that are allegedly laced with chemicals — to alter the climate, create extreme weather, poison people, or even control our minds,” and “In short, chemtrails itself is a conspiracy theory,” someone needs to point out that The Washington Post team should have done their homework more diligently, as there are hundreds of federal government agency reports and, in particular, U.S. Patents of record, for managing weather systems. Many are listed in the Weather Geoengineering / Chemtrail Database generated by this writer in the following eye opening must read linked report. http://www.activistpost.com/2015/01/...chemtrail.html
    Maybe you should send them an email Jerry.
    you think they would read it ?
    If you stuck to the facts without going deep into the rabbit hole maybe they would read it. At the very least they would be aware of their own shortcomings if they did read it. Maybe I'm too optimistic about them even reading it. I bet lots of people have sent them solid links when pondering that...

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    Guarantee Perfect Wedding Day Weather With Oliver’s Travels!

    Quote In order to ensure the most perfect of perfect days, and possibly with an eye on attempting some cunning supervillainy in the near future, we can now offer our customers a ‘cloud-bursting’ service that can 100% guarantee fair weather and clear skies for your wedding day! Currently available to customers organising a destination wedding in France (though we’re looking to expand to the UK and Italy if it takes off), the service employs the talents of pilots and meteorologists and takes over three weeks to plan, and uses silver iodide to ‘seed’ the clouds – essentially giving the water vapour something to condense around to produce rain.

    Costs start from £100,000, which is a fair old whack of cash! But then again, you can’t put a price on perfection right?


    Q: How did cloud seeding begin?

    A: It may sound like science fiction, but cloud seeding was developed in the 1940s by US chemist Vincent Schaefer. A laboratory discovery led to the realisation that flecks of dry ice converted super-cooled water droplets (those existing as water at temperatures lower than freezing as in clouds) to ice crystals. Trials in the atmosphere soon followed, and operational and research cloud seeding projects began in the late 1940’s/early 1950’s.

    Q: How does cloud seeding work?

    A: Cloud bursting (AKA cloud seeding) is a form of weather modification, causing clouds to drop rain and dissipate quickly.

    Cloud-bursting works by dispersing substances into the air, containing super-cooled water in an attempt to cause them to disappear, modify their structure, or alter the intensity of their phenomena.

    Cloud seeding is now considered a mainstream tool, primarily to improve rain precipitation and snow. New technology and research have produced reliable results that make cloud seeding a dependable activity.

    Q: Is cloud seeding bad for the environment?

    A: The activity of cloud seeding has been taking place since the 1940s and there is no evidence that suggests cloud seeding creates any significant negative environmental impacts on the environment.

    The published scientific literature clearly shows that no environmentally harmful effects arising from cloud seeding with silver iodide aerosols have been observed; nor would they be expected to occur.

    Q: How long does it take to burst a cloud?

    A: The cloud will be burst over a period of 24 hours. The project itself will take around 3 weeks all in all. It would take a week to get the airplane, pilot and meteorologist to France and back. The crew will need to be on the ground at least a week before the event.


    Cloud seeding - Luxury Destination Wedding Venues - Oliver's Travels

    Q: Isn’t cloud seeding unnatural?

    A: Scientists have been modifying weather systems on a much larger scale than cloud-seeding projects for a number of years.

    http://www.oliverstravels.com/blog/g...ivers-travels/
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    "To see a film present the very real threat of geoengineering and climate alteration through aerosol spraying, as well as questioning the “global warming” hoax (now morphed into “climate change” by public relations consultants) is startling to say the least. While there may be some film that has previously questioned these establishment orthodoxies, I am not aware of it.
    I saw Snowpiercer; they seem to only briefly mention chemtrails, really, with the opening shot of the jetliner laying down the trail.

    However, I saw another movie -- Toxic Skies -- that goes into the issue quite a bit deeper, actually. The basic premise is that the composition of jet fuel has been altered by the government, and chemicals from airline exhaust are falling on people making them ill, etc.

    The movie doesn't totally go down the rabbit hole, so to speak, about who is doing this or why, but to retain a shred of credibility in the sheeple's eyes I don't think they could have. It handled the issue pretty well and hinted at nefarious purposes.

    Not a great movie by any means, but I was impressed with how they handled a pretty taboo topic. Probably woke more than a few people up, too.

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    So, in California, not a day goes by without hazy skies, aerosol streaks. Yet, San Francisco's just had its first month of January pass with ZERO rain (since they started paying attention to these things in the 1800s). If they're going to be poisoning our skies with aerosols anyway, why not toss some rain "seeds" into the mix?

    Exactly. They don't want it to rain because there's money to be made from the draught.

    San Francisco setting a new record -- a January with not a drop of rainfall

    Sacramento Region Has Driest January On Record

    Trading the Weather - Weather Risk Management Association

    Weather Products Homepage - CME Group

    Introduction To Weather Derivatives - Investopedia
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    Quote Posted by cursichella1 (here)
    So, in California, not a day goes by without hazy skies, aerosol streaks. Yet, San Francisco's just had its first month of January pass with ZERO rain (since they started paying attention to these things in the 1800s). If they're going to be poisoning our skies with aerosols anyway, why not toss some rain "seeds" into the mix?

    Exactly. They don't want it to rain because there's money to be made from the draught.

    San Francisco setting a new record -- a January with not a drop of rainfall

    Sacramento Region Has Driest January On Record

    Trading the Weather - Weather Risk Management Association

    Weather Products Homepage - CME Group

    Introduction To Weather Derivatives - Investopedia
    When the petro dollar does go kaput California's food production scarce it will add to the inflation when we have to import all our food from other countries . It will be more pillaging of the middle class and starvation of the poor

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    Chemtrails Are Coal Ash

    This is new. I don't know how accurate it is, but worth considering, hopefully.



    Quote This video convincingly solves these
    20 year old mysteries:

    * Who Is Making the Chemtrail Spray
    Mix?

    * Where Does the Chemtrail Spray Mix
    Come From?

    * Why Are they Making the Chemtrail
    Spray Mix?

    The maker of this video believes that his
    hypothesis, that chemtrails are created
    from recycled coal ash from coal-fired
    electric power plants will proove to be a
    "Real tool, to stop the chemtrail attack
    on our planet" and he gives activists
    instructions on how to stop the sale of this
    waste product at its source:

    Practice non-violent civil disobedience,
    observe all of the activities at your local
    coal-powered electric plants and identify
    how and where the waste is disposed of
    - and then prosecute the polluting
    billionaires.

    He also provides possible motivations of the
    facility owners for their part in the chemtrail
    program.

    He tells viewers: "This is a VERY important
    video, so please download, translate/upload,
    and forward it to all activists. This is some of
    the most important information, on the planet,
    and it must go viral!"


    http://www.ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com/page/27018.html
    Each breath a gift...
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Chemtrails Are Coal Ash

    This is new. I don't know how accurate it is, but worth considering, hopefully.

    This video is also discussed on the thread: Chemtrails are Coal Ash - Youtube video goes viral

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    I hope this doesn't sound too subjectively trashy for this thread:

    https://www.mixcloud.com/SageOfQuay/...m_content=html

    by The Sage of Quay Radio Hour



    Quote Malcolm is a post-graduate student and researcher at the University of Canterbury. He is recognized by the New Zealand Tertiary Education Commission. Prior to joining the University of Canterbury Malcolm has held academic appointments with the University of Otago, Christchurch College of Education and the Christchurch Polytechnic Institute of Technology.
    Malcolm is writing a thesis on whether New Zealand’s Ministry for the Environment is engaged in a practice of intentional disinformation regarding the ongoing and persistent aerosol program in New Zealand.
    Malcolm’s interest was piqued when after submitting a freedom of information request – known as an OIA in New Zealand – he received back, by accident, [?], an internal document detailing how the Ministry responds to geoengineering inquiries. That response entailed denying that any such program exists.
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    Destroying net neutrality is a way to separate the Elites children from truths...

    They have the high speed red or blue pill network filled with only propoganda news...

    And the 1970s 300 baud system for truthers...

    This is seriously something to be upset about...
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    Chemtrailing Formally Admitted by UK Government & Military – But it’s not us!

    I recently sent correspondence to the UK Minister of Defence, as I often do. One of my concerns was Geo-Engineering / Chemtrailing. Here's the reply from the Strategic Air Command.

    At long last they've admitted Chemtrailing is going on but they are not involved and confirm they do not agree with it because it's very expensive and not effective. I assume it's NATO doing it. In essence they believe the route causes of climate change should be addressed, wow who'd could have thought that, lol

    This denial is probably to protect the state from any future lawsuits. The pdf attachment is an attempt by the state to protect itself.

    HEADQUARTERS AIR COMMAND
    Air Command Secretariat
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    Royal Air Force
    High Wycombe
    Buckinghamshire
    HP14 4UE


    Mr XXXX
    Thank you for your email of 08 April 2017 addressed to the Secretary of State for Defence. I have been asked to reply on his behalf.

    I note that you have raised a number of concerns in relation to geo-engineering and the potential impact that these activities may have on the environment. You may be interested in reading the UK Government’s views on geo-engineering research, which can be found at the following address:

    https://www.gov.uk/g...vernment-s-view


    Furthermore, I would like to assure you that the Ministry of Defence and its affiliates are not currently undertaking any geo-engineering activities.
    I hope that you have found this information helpful.

    Yours sincerely
    Air Command Secretariat
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