The Titanic Cover-up Unravels

[Matt P]

I know this has been discussed here on Project Avalon many times in the past but there is another piece out about it at one of my favorite sites.

Matt

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/c...anic-cover-up/

Gerhard Wisnewski is a German writer of non-fiction books and articles. He writes in the German language and his books are widely read in the German-speaking countries. He has written a number of successful books, many of them dealing with what are popularly termed conspiracy theories. One of his recent books, entitled Das Titanic Attentat (“The Titanic Murder”), is about the sinking of the Titanic in April, 1912. Unlike some of his books, it is not available in English translation but is definitely worth reading if you know German.

According to the conventional version, the mighty but overconfident Titanic accidentally struck an iceberg in the North Atlantic on its maiden voyage from Europe to New York. The collision tore a hole in the ship’s hull and caused it to sink with a huge loss of life. For a long time, it was difficult to challenge this official version because the best evidence, the sunken ship itself, had permanently settled in one of the deepest areas of the Atlantic Ocean, too deep to be accessible to investigators. (Incidentally, if the Titanic had sunk just a few miles to the west of where it actually sank, it would have wound up in much shallower waters where it would have been possible, even in 1912, to get to the wreckage.) Advancements in technology, however, finally made it possible to reach the Titanic in 1985 and to photograph and otherwise examine the wreckage. The new evidence that has emerged from this and from other sources has prompted Wisnewski to rethink the traditional story and to raise some disturbing questions.

Why did the crew make no effort to plug the leak in the Titanic, something sailors are trained to do?
Why did the Titanic deliberately sail into a field of icebergs?
Why have none of the photographs taken of the Titanic since 1985 found much damage that could be attributed to an iceberg?
Why did the Titanic’s crew throw an especially lavish party on the night of the disaster, a party that made many passengers and crewmembers drunk?
What happened to the Titanic’s logs and nautical maps? After the Titanic allegedly hit an iceberg, the crew still had 2.5 hours to save them, yet failed to do so, offering the excuse that even 2.5 hours was not enough. A few years later, however, the Lusitania was hit by a torpedo and sank in 18 minutes, yet its crew still managed to save most of these things.
Why did so many passengers cancel their reservations at the last minute, including some close associates of the owner, J.P. Morgan? The cancellation was especially puzzling in the case of Mr. and Mrs. J. Horace Harding. The Hardings said that they had suddenly realized that they were in a hurry to get to New York, so they switched their reservations to the Mauretania, which was scheduled to leave Europe sooner. Apparently the Hardings had not read the timetables very closely, because although the Mauretania did indeed leave Europe sooner, it also arrived in New York later.
What happened to Luis Klein, a surviving crewmember and native Hungarian of the Jewish faith? After the disaster, Klein had been outspoken in his criticism of the Titanic’s captain and top crewmembers. Perhaps for this reason, he was called to testify before the US Senate. Unfortunately, on the day before he was to do so, Klein disappeared from his Washington hotel room and was never seen again.
After the alleged collision with the iceberg, why did the Titanic’s crew members hasten the ship’s demise by making almost every conceivable mistake?
Why was no effort made to delay the sinking of the Titanic by jettisoning the anchor and chains? The anchor alone weighed 50 tons.
Why were the sleeping passengers not awakened?
Why did Captain Edward John Smith commit a criminal offense by sailing his ship for days with an unextinguished fire in his ship’s coal bunker? Why did he sign a false statement in Southampton, England denying the existence of this fire?
Why did it take the crew 2 hours to lower all the Titanic’s lifeboats into the water when they could have done it in 1 hour?
Before the Titanic could deploy any of its own lifeboats, there were already lifeboats in the water that could not have come from the Titanic. From which ship did these lifeboats come? From the mysterious ship that was spotted in the distance but never identified? What was the name of that ship and why did it not come to the Titanic’s rescue?
Why did the Titanic crew not follow the custom of giving priority to the passengers over themselves?
How did a collision with an iceberg cause the Titanic to sink? Ships frequently collide with icebergs, yet rarely sink, and almost never as fast as the Titanic sank.
What caused the Titanic to break in half shortly before it sank? Could the breakup of the Titanic have been caused by the two explosions heard minutes before?
Why were the Titanic’s crew members as well as many of the surviving passengers threatened with dire consequences if they talked to reporters and investigators?
Why did many crewmembers quit the Titanic after the ship’s first stop in Cherbourg, France rather than complete the voyage to New York?
Why did the men who had been working in the Titanic’s boiler room quit and take new jobs as bricklayers before they could tell their story to government investigators?

There was an official government investigation on each side of the Atlantic Ocean, one British and the other American, yet neither investigation raised much less answered any of these questions. When interrogated during the official investigations, crew members were remarkably ignorant regarding important aspects of their ship. If they gave any answers at all, they made sure that they were as short as possible, and they never went out of their way to say anything more. Judging from the statements of the crewmembers to the investigators, the White Star Line had built one of the most magnificent cruise ships in the world only to hire some of the most incompetent people in the world to sail it. And in spite of the fact that approximately 1500 persons died in the disaster, there was no criminal investigation whatsoever.

So if the official version of what happened to the Titanic is incorrect, then what is the correct version? According to Wisnewski, the whole story began when the noted financier, J.P. Morgan, with the encouragement of President Theodore Roosevelt, bought the White Star Line from British owners in 1902. The British Government was none too pleased that a foreigner was buying the White Star Line, but was not able to prevent Morgan’s working his way around British regulations designed to prevent foreigners from purchasing it. The reader might wonder why the British Government would even care whether or not a British citizen owned the White Star Line. Unlike five-star restaurants and luxury resorts, however, luxury liners have military value. The British Government thought that a war might break out (which of course did happen in 1914), and it wanted to be able to take charge of huge vessels like the Titanic so that it could move large numbers of soldiers quickly and without the need for naval escort. The British Government had already commandeered luxury liners during the Crimean War, would so again during the Second World War and yet again during the Falklands War. (According to Winston Churchill, the availability of luxury liners shortened the Second World War by about one year.) For this reason, the British Government wanted the White Star Line to remain under the ownership of British citizens, though not necessarily under the immediate control of the British Navy.

After it passed into the hands of J.P. Morgan, the White Star Line announced an ambitious program consisting in the construction of three magnificent luxury passenger liners to be known collectively as the Olympic Class. These three liners were to be named the Olympic, the Titanic, and the Gigantic, and were to be built in that order. Unfortunately, less than a year after the Olympic, the first of the three liners, was finally launched on October 20, 1910, it met with a terrible accident. On September 20, 1911, just as the Olympic was leaving Southampton harbor on the south coast of England, it collided with the Hawke, a British navy cruiser. Inasmuch as the Hawke was a military vessel specially designed to ram enemy ships, it is no wonder that it inflicted massive damage on the Olympic. Morgan may even have suspected that the collision was not an accident at all. As we have seen, the British Government had motive to damage the Olympic, and if it had deliberately intended to do so, there was certainly no vessel better equipped to do the job than the Hawke. Inasmuch as the matter fell under British jurisdiction, the furious Morgan had to go to British courts to get justice. Unfortunately, these ruled that the Olympic rather than the Hawke had been at fault. This not only made it impossible for Morgan to collect compensation from the British Government, but also complicated Morgan’s efforts to collect compensation from his own insurance company. So what to do? It was only a matter of a little time before a mandatory routine inspection in either Europe or North America showed that the Olympic had sustained so much damage at the hands of the Hawke that the White Star Line would have to write it off as a total loss. So J.P Morgan needed to act quickly.

Now it happened that around this time, construction was nearing completion on the second liner in the Olympic Class, the Titanic, an identical sister ship to the Olympic. According to Wisnewski, J.P. Morgan came up with a diabolical plan. He started by being careful not to make public the extent of the damage to the Olympic. He then greatly increased the insurance on the Titanic just a week before its maiden voyage to $12.5 million, $2.5 million more than it had cost to build. Morgan next ordered the identities of the Olympic and the Titanic secretly switched. The damaged and largely worthless Olympic was renamed the Titanic, and the brand new Titanic was renamed the Olympic. The ship that was now named the Titanic, but which had originally been named the Olympic, then embarked on what was sold to the unsuspecting public as the maiden voyage of the Titanic. On that voyage, Captain Smith deliberately sailed into an area of the Atlantic Ocean that he knew was filled with icebergs, and destroyed his ship by means that are not entirely clear, but which probably involved some sort of explosion in one of the coal bunkers. The claim of the White Star Line that the ship had accidentally sunk as a result of a collision with an iceberg initially seemed believable, especially because some crewmembers did claim to have seen an iceberg. But if given a little more time to reflect than they actually had, journalists, government investigators, and the public at large might have become suspicious. For one thing, none of the passengers said that they had seen an iceberg, only some of the crew, and not all of them. Among those crewmembers who said that they had seen an iceberg, none could describe it in anything other than the vaguest terms. Worse still, hardly anyone saw the ship strike the iceberg.

The best eyewitnesses would of course have been Captain Smith, his two assistants, and the chief architect of the ship, all of whom were on board. But none of these four men could testify because they had all drowned. At least that is what everybody believed. But there is reason to be suspicious. For one thing, none of their bodies were ever recovered. For another, Peter Pryal, a sailor who had served under Captain Smith on many other voyages over a period of almost 20 years, claimed that he saw and spoke with Captain Smith on a street corner in downtown Baltimore on two successive July days several months after Smith had supposedly drowned. Could Pryal have been suffering from delusions, perhaps brought on by alcohol? Not likely. On the written testimony of his physician, Pryal was of sound mind and had no history of alcohol abuse. Moreover, it is known that Captain Smith had a nephew in Baltimore, who incidentally soon disappeared.

J.P. Morgan appeared innocent of any wrongdoing because after all he had booked passage on the Titanic himself and canceled only at the last minute because of illness, or so he said. (He later returned to the United States aboard the ship known as the Olympic, which, according to Wisnewski, was really the Titanic.) But there is reason to believe that Morgan may have known even when he booked his reservation that he would never actually board the ship. For one thing, it is doubtful that there was any last-minute illness at all. A New York Times correspondent, who saw Morgan at his seventy-fifth birthday party just two days after the Titanic sank, found Morgan looking very well and showing no signs of illness. Moreover, a glance at Morgan’s travel itineraries during previous years raises further doubts about his real intentions. These itineraries showed that year after year Morgan followed a fairly predictable pattern by spending the spring season in France and returning to the United States in the summer. He almost always celebrated April 17, his birthday, in Aix-les-Bains (near Lyon), arriving there almost every year on exactly the same day on exactly the same train. If what Morgan had done in most previous years were any indication of what he intended to do in 1912, Morgan intended to be in Aix-les-Bains rather than on the Titanic on April 17.

The possibility that Morgan had never intended to board the Titanic at all is given additional weight by the fate of the paintings that he had purchased in Europe. Morgan had been an avid art collector with deep pockets who frequently purchased expensive works of art during his vacations in Europe and then took them on board with him when he sailed back to the United States. If J.P. Morgan canceled only at the last minute because of unexpected illness, then his art would most likely have already been on board and would have gone down with the ship. But Morgan’s art survived because he had never placed it on board the Titanic in the first place.

Advancements in deep sea technology are making it possible to probe more and more deeply into this mystery. In recent times, for example, investigators have started to focus their attention on the four-foot-high iron letters on the bow of the ship that spell out “Titanic.” From the preliminary examination of this lettering, it appears as though these letters were fastened on top of still other letters, suggesting that the ship may once have had another name. Two of the letters have fallen off the wreck and probably disappeared forever. Underneath these letters are the letters M and P, letters which could have helped to spell out “Olympic.” Unfortunately, the other letters are rather difficult to decipher and could be interpreted in any number of ways.

There are discrepancies between what we know of the ship on the bottom of the Atlantic and the Titanic. The former appears to have been painted twice, the first time in grey and the second time in black. We know that the Olympic was painted twice, but to the best of our knowledge, the Titanic was painted only once and in black. Also, the ship on the bottom of the Atlantic was outfitted with an elaborate system to facilitate the deployment of lifeboats. To the best of our knowledge, the Olympic had such a system but the Titanic never did.

As technology progresses, we may someday know the full story of the Titanic disaster. It goes without saying that if Gerhard Wisnewski’s suspicions turn out to be correct, the reputation of J.P. Morgan will be forever destroyed.

[Zanshin]

Thanks mpennery - there is much research to indicate the ship that went down was the Olympic.

As always Cui bono - who benefits?
It seems the research supporting this event serving to eliminate opposition to the implementation of the Fed has merit.
The timing is certainly pertinent. Perhaps a bigger agenda is more credible than a simple insurance fraud for Morgan's benefit.

http://www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter5/titanic.html

http://www.world-mysteries.com/doug_titanic1.htm

http://vaticanassassinsarchive.com/titanic.htm

[gripreaper]

It goes without saying that if Gerhard Wisnewski’s suspicions turn out to be correct, the reputation of J.P. Morgan will be forever destroyed.

It should already be destroyed. JP Morgan was responsible for hijacking the currency of the United States and giving it to the globalist banksters and making us all debt slaves, for ruining Tesla and the energy technology from the earth, while enslaving all of mankind to the oil and electric grids, which has polluted and destroyed the ecosystem of this planet, and causing millions of people to suffer and die in world wars and engineered disease.

I would say, JP Morgan was the most ruthless, corrupted and psychopathic industrialist from the turn of the last century, and his actions have done more damage to mankind than any single individual in the last century.

Anyone who reveres him and thinks his reputation is to be held in any kind of regard is just not paying attention.

[giovonni]

will share this here ...

Secrets of the Titanic ~ On the 100 Year Anniversary

[Selene]

Here is a superb documentary claiming that the so-called 'Titanic' was actually its sister ship, the previously damaged Olympic, sunk deliberately in order to claim the insurance money. The Titanic hull sailed on, disguised as the otherwise Olympic. A superb bit of research. Well worth watching.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HnGEK4b1rqg

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QcOEB8ncf2M

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=w9YqHFzFA0c

Cheers,

Selene

[Citizen No2]

Excellent post mpennery and Selene.

Thank you.


Regards.

[Cidersomerset]

There have been several threads on this I just found a few of them , there is
compellingevidence that Titanic and Olympic were switched and deliberately set up
to sink on itsmaiden voyage , though loss of life was supposed to be minimal
explained in this vid, which Selene has posted .........


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Ship Lost Place .................... Year ................. Fatalities

Canadian ................MidAtlantic .......... 1863 ...... 45
Immigrant ship ..........Off Cape Race ..... 1864 . .. 158
Vicksburg .................Off Cape Race .... 1869 ..... . 65
Warrior ....................Grand Banks ...... 1878 ...... . 29
North Star ...............Cabot Straits ...... 1881 ....... 67
Medway ..................Off Newfondland . 1887 ....... 29
Valliant ...................Grand Banks ....... 1897 ....... 70
Snowbird ................Cape Race ......... 1898 ......... 6
Endymion ................Grand Banks ....... 1900 ........ 8
Islander ..................Off Alaska .......... 1901 ....... 67
Albatross ................Mid Atlantic .. . ... 1903 ....... 24


Titanic ..............Mid Atlantic.............. 1912 .... 1234 Wiki says( 1514)

The figure in the website seems low....


http://www.webtitanic.net/frameice.html

There have been loads of theories connected with Bankers & Ship owners
for the sinking of the Titanic , I was wondering how common it was for
ships to be sunk by Ice bergs in the period and the answer considering
all the shipping was very few....and only two in mid Atlanic before her...

One theory is that the Captain was so confident of not sinking he and
the crew were neglegent and were going to fast to try and break the
record for a Atlantic crossing....

Its like 9/11 and all the other scams in history something just does
not feel right ....

Rest in peace all the victims of the incompatence/arragance or criminality
of not having sufficiant life craft or survival stratagy if disaster struck..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=McGfcdI8Qv0

Secrets of the Titanic ~ On the 100 Year Anniversary

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ar-Anniversary

RMS Titanic was in fact the RMS Olympic - Insurance fraud by JP Morgan

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...merset+Titanic

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The HMS Hawke, Naval Ramming, Submarine Technology, and the RMS Titanic Disaster

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...hlight=Titanic

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Default Was the Titanic deliberately sunk by JP Morgan? (video)

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Morgan--video-

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[Cidersomerset]

East Cowes
R.M.S. Olympic
Wednesday 20th September 1911

A collision occurred off Cowes between R.M.S. Olympic and the Royal Navy first class cruiser H.M.S. Hawke.

The Olympic left Southampton at 11.25 with 1313 passengers onboard and slowly made her way down Southampton Water it was only on the liners fifth crossing to New York since her maiden voyage on the 14th June.



Picture of RMS Olympic


People were lining the front at Cowes to watch the great liner, which was capable of carrying some 3,000 passengers, and crew slowly come down Southampton Water then rounding Bramble Buoy [12.43 pm] to head eastwards down the Solent and the speed was increased to 16 knots. At the same time coming up the Solent from the Needles at speed, but some distance behind, was the cruiser HMS Hawke; the cruiser had been on sea trials and was returning to Portsmouth.
The event

The weather was squally and rain was falling as the Hawke quickly drew level on the starboard side of the Olympic near the Prince Consort Shoal Buoy, the two ships then sailed together for a short while; the time was almost 1.00 pm. The Hawke appeared to slow to allow the Olympic to move ahead then veered to the port in order to pass under the liners stern, the move resulted in the cruiser hitting the liner some 50 feet from her stern. The liner was holed and flooding occurred in two compartments, the cruiser suffered major damaged to its bow. From the shore people could see the two ships locked together with the Hawke’s bow embedded in the stern of the Olympic. For what seemed an eternity the two ships were locked together, bulkheads in both ships were closed and there was no threat of sinking, then the Hawke went astern and the extent of damage to both ships could be seen. There was a 15 ft gash tapering below the water at the stern of the Olympic, and the bow of Hawke was severally damaged.

The two Cowes tugs Irishman and Malta sailed out to render any assistance to the liner they could as she appeared to drift towards Osborne Bay, however the ship was able to turn and steam back into Cowes Roads under her own steam and anchor. The liner remained at anchor that night and was a spectacle with all her lights ablaze, the liners stern was down by several feet and the ships pumps were kept working to kept the water from rising.

News of the collision had been reported to the navel authorities at Portsmouth and the support vessels Volcano and Grappler both fitted with powerful pumps were dispatched to render assistant. The Hawke was surrounded with collision mats and must have taken on a lot of water in the forward compartments, but the bulkhead held. The cruiser was able to make slow progress up the Solent to Portsmouth Dockyard with both tugs in attendance.
After the event

Whilst the Olympic was anchored in Cowes Roads the captain issued orders that, no one was to leave or board the ship except officials of the White Star Line. However one enterprising American in a hurry to get back to America, lower a rope through one of the portholes and hailed a passing boatman, climbing down the rope he was taken ashore, and caught the steamer back to Southampton.

In the evening the Southampton and IW. passenger steamer Duchess of York came alongside and took off around 100 passengers off who were in a hurry to get to London. When the passengers finally returned to Southampton they all spoke highly of the events and organisation that occurred after the collision.

A passenger on the liner described how he was on deck and saw the collision unfold, the cruiser was running parallel to the liner on the starboard side, a little too close he thought, and appeared to be trying to pass astern of the Olympic but was to close to make the manoeuvre, and the bow of the cruiser plunged into the stern of the liner.
Return to Southampton

At 8.30 am the following morning Olympic weighed anchor and was towed back to Southampton by five tugs. Getting the liner back to Southampton took upwards of 3 hours as the ship was carrying almost 40 ft of water in her damaged compartments At the time of the collision there were 365 first class, 360 second class and 614 third class passengers onboard and the crew number approximately 870. The liner was due to call at Cherbourg and Queenstown and collect more passengers her final complement would have been almost 3000 people.

When Olympic docked in Southampton the full impact of the collision could be seen, there was a jagged triangular hole some 15ft by 10 ft just forward of the rudder, and the plating had been forced inward some 5 to 6 ft. It was reported that the more serious damage was below the waterline but no detail are quoted. Arrangements were made for passengers who wanted to continue their journey by transferring other liners and for other; a special train was laid on to take them to London.

Olympic was towed back to Harland and Wolfe in Belfast for repairs and in order to get the ship back into service e a quick as possible the twisted propeller shaft was replace by one from Titanic which was being built in the same yard.
HMS Hawke
Picture of HMS Hawke


When HMS Hawke was examined in the dockyard the full extent of the damage could be seen; the bow completed smashed and forced round to starboard, a complete new front section would be needed before the ship could sail again. When reporters interviewed Hawke crewmembers they could give no reason why the ship suddenly changed course, and the said they were taken by surprise when the two ships collided, all they heard was the ship telegraph signal to the engine room to stop engines, followed “reverse engines”. They stated that the cause of the collision would have to be established by a court of inquiry at a future date.
The Inquiry

The inquiry later found that the Olympic was going too fast [16 Knots] for the conditions and her wash sucked the smaller ship in, causing the collision.
Picture of collision damage
Collision Damage





RMS. Olympics Statistics
Owner:- White Star Line’
Builder:- Harland and Wolff, Belfast
Class:- Olympic class ocean liners
Launched:- 20th October 1910
Completed:- 31st May 1911
Maiden voyage:- 14th June 1911
Tonnage:- 45,324 tons
Displacement:- 52,067 tons
Installed power:- 24 double-ended [6 furnace] and 5 single ended [3 furnace] Scotch boilers. Two four-cylinder triple expansion reciprocating engines, each producing 15,000 hp for two outboard wing propellers at 75 revolutions per minute. One low pressure turbine producing 16,000 hp. A total of 59,000 hp could be produced at maximum revolutions.
This new design layout was more efficient consuming only 650 tons/hr against the previous 1000 tons/hr.
Propulsion:- Two bronze triple blade wing propellers and one bronze quadruple blade centre propeller.
Speed [normal]:- 21 Knots [24 mph]. Note did achieve over 22 knots on a voyage from New York to Southampton.
Service history:- Saw service in the First World War, including ramming and sinking U-boat No. U-103.
The end:- With the merger of White Star and Cunard in 1934 there was now surplus of ships and with Olympics becoming expensive to run a decision was taken to withdraw the ship from service. In 1935 the ship was sold for £100,000 and taken to Jarrow for scraping, what remained of the ship was finally taken to Inverkeithing, Scotland in 1937, to be broken up, the end of a great ship.





HMS. Hawke Statistics
Built:- Chatham Dockyards 1891
Type:- First-class, tw in-screw protected cruiser
Weight:- 7,350 tons
Size:- Length 360 ft, Width 60 ft, Draught 24 ft.
Speed:- 20 Knots.
Range:- 10,000 miles.
Crew:- 544.
Cost:- £400,702.
Sunk:- 15th October 1914. By a German submarine.

Editors note:- It is reported that the clock from the grand staircase in the Olympic is in the Southampton Maritime Museum.

Titanic and Olympic side by side Befast Docks..

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I thought this conspiracy was finally disproved a few years, as I heard (or read somewhere) that they had finally identified the keel number on the Titanic wreck, which read 401, identifying it once and for all as Titanic. If that rusted hulk had really been the Olympic, the keel number would read 400, but it did not (unless one is to go so far as to say that in performing this devilish switcheroo, they actually swapped over the entire keel!).

So as far as I was aware, the foundations of this conspiracy was, in light of this discovery, entirely put to bed.

(then again I might be wrong, and the keel-number find was just disinformation.)

[Mutchie]

Very interesting thread THANKS FOR POSTING Mpennery !!!!!!!!!!

[Cidersomerset]

So as far as I was aware, the foundations of this conspiracy was, in light of this discovery, entirely put to bed.

(then again I might be wrong, and the keel-number find was just disinformation.)

I don't know ? of course it could be genuine but the whole thing stinks
and there are similarities to 'Lucky Larry 'and the Trade centre complex
insurance scam. Which I posted on different thread.....

A & E for 9/11 Truth - $200 Reward for History Channels Elusive "History's Business" Episode with Larry Silverstein
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post927975


Then there are all the points in the top post of this thread and the informed
reasoning of cause and motive for such an operation in the " Why they sank
the Titanic vid ". Of course this could all be speculation , but it feels more
than that, and what is really haunting is the chartered rescue ship with
a cargo of 3000 heavy woollen sweaters and 3000 woollen blankets waiting
in the wrong place , that could have saved everyone. If this part is true than the
rest is not a stretch imo.


SS Californian on the morning after Titanic sank

As with 9/11 there seems to be an awful lot of coincidences , and wealthy
elites involved, maybe that is the norm and we should move along " Nothing
to see here " That's why we are on forums like Avalon we don't believe the
magicians slight of hand tricks. But that does not mean we are right just
curious and looking for the truth.


The videos could be photo shopped that's for the it bods to look at....LOL

Titanic Olympic Upper Bow Plate Identification

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=U4x56PCOalk

Published on 21 Jun 2013


This video was taken from the DVD "Titanic - The Shocking Truth". The still of the M & P
was enhanced by myself in Photoshop using the levels and curves functions in lab mode.
I have studied the sweep of the rear of Titanic (Olympic?) for evidence of videographic
fakery, but I can find none, as of June 2013. The X-shaped viewing field seen in the video
is caused by the camera rigs lighting. The top part of the picture appears to be lit by two
lights that are mounted a fair way above the camera. The bottom part of the picture
appears to be lit by one light source placed very close to the camera's lens and it has a
slightly different hue to the lights on top. The original DVD source was up-scaled to from
720-576 4:3 (LD) to 1080-1440 16:9 (HD) to maintain picture quality on Youtube.
"Titanic -- The Shocking Truth" can be purchased from Amazon.com and in my opinion
it makes a pretty interesting view.

[Cidersomerset]

After posting the above post I was looking for something interesting on the
same theme and found this presentation from an author and researcher
from the alternate field and covers some of the ground in the vid above
and broadening it out to other events going on in the same period , including
the federal reserve and how putting countries in perpetual debt is how TPTB
control everything.....During the talk he mentions witness's seeing a yellow
steamer sail past after the collision and speculates may have been an ice breaker
sent to ram the titanic , as there was no guarantee that the right hit could be
achieved by an iceberg, so the plan was to have all three vessels rendezvous
near the icefield and co ordinate from there all was going to plan until
the 'Sampsons' white flares confused the situation and the California being further
away than thought as communications were confused and the California radio
was not working at the critical phase. Again speculation but not in of line with
the events and statements of various witness's and if this was a scam covered up
by Lord Mersey on behalf of the British government , the plan is more plausible.....

I can see this event which would be known to TPTB inspiring the 9/11 event and
the more I watch the more it seems to be a template for this type of scam.
Obviously 9/11 was strategically much bigger involving more players ,but achieving
the same result for 'Lucky Larry' and enabling the neo -cons and others to have
their perpetual wars continue after the end of Cold War 1 although they seem to be
provoking Russia/China?Iran and others into a Cold war 2 for more profits for the
mil ind complex and 'Banksters' , thus the elites granting them more powers as this
false war on terror has given them a great excuse to curb of rights and liberties and
the web. Cyber Wars is now on......


A very good power point presentation and discussion.....

The Titanic Conspiracy

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WcGpv3Vg7co

Published on 3 Apr 2013


A compelling presentation by John Hamer, author of the recently published book
'The Falsification of History', to New Horizons in St. Annes, Lancashire, England.

In October 1910, a group of seven men, all senior players in the Rothschild and
Rockefeller financial dynasties, met in strict secrecy on a private island off the
coast of Georgia, USA. Their brief was to create an organisation to usurp the
power to create and print money, until then solely a function of the US government.
This organisation was to be named 'The Federal Reserve Bank'. This plan however,
had several extremely powerful, high-profile opponents who stood in the way of
these banker's goals.

In the meantime, John Pierpoint (JP) Morgan, another American high-financier,
involved in the Federal Reserve scheme, who also happened to own the British-based
White Star shipping line, had commissioned a series of 'super-liners', the Olympic
class, in an attempt to gain the lion's share of the highly lucrative Atlantic-crossing
market. The speculative investment involved in this project was immense.

However, in September 1911, before the second one of the planned three 'sisters',
RMS Titanic had been completed, Morgan's plans were dealt a massive financial blow
when RMS Olympic, the first of the 'sister' ships off the production line was involved
in a disastrous collision with a Royal Navy cruiser, HMS Hawke.

And so, the scene was set for one of the greatest deceptions ever perpetrated...
in the100th anniversary year, John presents information and evidence that
seriously questions the official account in the history books.

[Cidersomerset]

I did a post on one of the previous threads about the windows on the ships

Re: RMS Titanic was in fact the RMS Olympic - Insurance fraud by JP Morgan

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...P-Morgan/page2

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

you ladies and gents might enjoy the thread here somewhere about the possibility of titanic being harmed via naval ramming techniques (remote subs!)

it is interesting to note that tesla's financier died on titanic (allegedly)

and that pirated tesla remote control tech (he had demonstrated it already) was deployed pre WW1, pre WW2,
as the people here say, things are always a few years ahead of what we are told

[EWO]

The window thing doesn't make sense. The 1st picture that shows Olympic with the hole in the side also shows it having big windows.
But then another pic below that says Olympic had Skinny windows.
The underwater pic of Titanic shows skinny windows. So they are saying it was the Olympic compared to the second pic. But if you compare it to the 1st pic with the Olympic and the hole in the side, it doesnt match.

If you google Olympic pics, some will have skinny others wide windows. Clearly some of the pics have fake labels.

But the 1st pic which shows the hole in the side must be correct because Olympic did get rammed.

Basically ignore all the labels because those are added to the photo and not part of it. Focus on the details only. Just because the photo says this is titanic being build doesn't make it true.

That being said , im not saying that Morgan didn't try to commit a insurance scam, it totally seems like something a rich banker like him would do.

But the whole skinny vs wide windows does not seem accurate.

[KiwiElf]

Earlier thread here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Morgan--video-

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
I thought this conspiracy was finally disproved a few years, as I heard (or read somewhere) that they had finally identified the keel number on the Titanic wreck, which read 401, identifying it once and for all as Titanic. If that rusted hulk had really been the Olympic, the keel number would read 400, but it did not (unless one is to go so far as to say that in performing this devilish switcheroo, they actually swapped over the entire keel!).

So as far as I was aware, the foundations of this conspiracy was, in light of this discovery, entirely put to bed.

(then again I might be wrong, and the keel-number find was just disinformation.)

I know "they" claimed it was one of the TITANIC's props with a serial number 401 on it (serial numbers & props can be changed) and therefore "proof" that it was the TITANIC, not sure the keel was identified. According to testimony, the right hand prop was swapped due to the prop shaft damage sustained from the collision with the Hawke.

The OLYMPIC was effectively a write-off, the damage so great from the collision with the Hawke that the OLYMPIC's keel was "bent". With such massive damage, you've got to wonder how the OLYMPIC then sailed on for over two decades from 1911 - 1935 with a relatively uneventful & unblemished history from that point onward.

Bit too coincidental that the gash near the starboard bow of the OLYMPIC is virtually the same as the damaged area of the TITANIC (so we're told)? The fact is, that no-one has actually seen that area of the TITANIC since it was found, as it's buried in mud).

Why did the TITANIC's stern section break off as it was going down? (According to some engineers, it shouldn't have happened). But, if it was really the badly damaged OLYMPIC, that makes more sense: If you look at the photos of the damage done to the OLYMPIC in the above post #8, provided by Cider, if such a break did indeed occur, it's very near that point. Only a handful of survivors claim her stern broke off, near the rear-most funnels (witness testimony PDF at link):

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org.../wormstedt.pdf

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Who knows if it's even possible to find out anymore, after all this time, whether it was ship 400 or ship 401 that sank? However, I personally am not yet ready to believe that this ship, which ever one it was, was deliberately sunk. The evidence for that, as far as I can tell, is still just circumstantial.

Maybe it was a huge scam, a conspiracy to cover a terrible crime, I don't know. But at this point I still believe the official story. In a nutshell I believe that a ship, called Titanic for all intents and purposes, and identified as such by all those aboard at the time, did hit an iceberg, resulting in the tragic death over 1,500 people.

I also believe that the timetable, method, and mechanics of its sinking were more or less accurately depicted in Cameron's movie Titanic - which has since been slightly modified and updated with the latest scientific analyses based on investigations of the wreck, as well as popular testimony.

It can be seen in this clip:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FSGeskFzE0s

[sigma6]

Best list of questions I have ever come across... Has the same feel as the 9/11 questions, just an endless list of impossibly embarrassing events, that all point to one thing, a conspiracy of evil so wicked, it knows no bounds...

I would posit, the Brits (City of London) were in on it from the get go, the 'ship crash' sounds deliberate, especially knowing now, what we do about the relationship between the Vatican and the Inner City of London and the emerging bank system... This was all part of the planning leading up to the Federal Reserve... laying the groundwork for the ultimate deconstruction of the united States of America. J.P. was nothing more than a 'strawman' man from the beginning. (No wonder his NAME is eulogized today as a financial saint of US Commerce...)

This is looking more and more like the most notoriously diabolical and evil Banking Heist In The Universe... an abomination so inconceivably massive, that it couldn't possibly be conceived by an average man on the street... makes me ashamed to say I am part of the human race... (...were there 'higher forces' involved?) whoever created these plans deserves a pat on the back for absolute most despicable and diabolical evilness, devoid of a soul.

And all for the "love of money" and the earthly power that it brings to those willing to inhabit that existence. Boggles the mind, the evil that proliferates on this planet.

Couldn't this be made into an epic movie series. This would be the perfect prequel to the Creature Of Jekyll Island... Wow... talk about putting 2 and 2 together... even the general public would get it... two Blockbuster, entertaining, suspense laden movies... The only exception of course, this would be based on a 100% true story...