Why No System Will Work (Anarchy, Capitalism, Communism, Socialism)

[Omni]

Wrote an article on why no system will work. Any comments are welcome. Here its is:

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Why No System Will Work

Over the years I have seen a lot of arguments over what is the best system for society to run, IE: Capitalism, Communism, Socialism etc. My observation is no system will work when the humans running it are flawed or corrupted. Anarchy is suggested by some of the more reasonable people, but I do not think that is the answer for our current state of development. There are too many violent and amoral people for Anarchy to sustain a prosperous society in my view. As long as humans are flawed, so will our systems be.

A good example of flawed humans running a (kind of)good system is the original formation of the USA. It was done with curbing corruption/tyranny of government in mind. Trying to set up a system where no one government group has all the power. Well look where that brought us. Democracy is a total farce minus state level votes. The ideologies behind the formation of America(if they were ever true) have been destroyed by a corrupted system.

With the right citizens any system works well, with the wrong leaders any system will fail. The leaders of planet earth have failed us, that much is clear to me. It is time for something new, but can that happen? I'm not sure how exactly that can take place, but I do know awareness of the issues has to take place before the issues can be resolved... A good start would be taking a close look at the banking systems in the world. Taking on the bankers has a way of bringing carnage to one's country. I believe taking them on is a necessity to having any system remotely functional. If you want to know about the banking system perhaps some past presidents knew what they were talking about.

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."
-U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.”
–Abraham Lincoln - In a letter written to William Elkin

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world-- no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men."
-President Woodrow Wilson

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."
-Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.

Source Link: http://omnisense.blogspot.com/2015/0...will-work.html

[M0JFK]

Accountability is the key to most systems of social government. Capitalism is unfortunately self defeating with it requiring supply and demand so accountability will never work for that way of a system. No amount of honest leadership or accountability will work for a system that is inherently self defeating.

Capitalism will destroy itself so you don't need revolutions to do it...but a revolution would be nice to bring its demise on a little sooner.

I myself find the ideals of the VENUS PROJECT very appealing to me. Imagine just for one moment, pure scientific logic being applied to all the problems of mankind and his environment. Then throw in a bit of good old fashioned accountability and what a wonderful world it could be.

The ideals of the VENUS PROJECT is not a Utopia, it is a system that can quite easily applied and it just requires the will of the masses to do so.

For those new to the VENUS PROJECT here is a interview with Jacque Fresco the founder of the Venus Project.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lYjC-ZPARp4

[Pam]

Great topic, Omni. I have to agree with you. As long as there are humans that put their own interest ahead of the common good, all implemented systems will fail. I think some will implode quicker than others, depending on how many checks and balances are in place.

The ultimate solution is our evolution of consciousness and I don't know if that will happen in time. I guess I need to start looking at solutions, even if they seem very unlikely at this point.

[rgray222]

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world-- no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men."
-President Woodrow Wilson

I find this quote both sad and humorous, sad because it is coming from the man that passed the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 into law, it is humorous because it is coming from the man that passed the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 into law.

Socialism, Marxism and Communism are all forms of governments that take control of people lives, the difference is only in the degree of control. They have always attempted to bring those on the bottom of society up and those at the top down. While this may sound "fair" it is a recipe for a bland underachieving society where everyone resides in the middle. It also creates a group of elite people at the very top, these are the ones making all the decision on resources and finances. These government are littered throughout history as failures.

Once the Federal Reserve was established by Woodrow Wilson it corrupted capitalism and started the world on a road to materialism and financial slavery. I am not saying capitalism is the answer but capitalism corrupted by government control is doomed to fail.

It appears that people around the world are not too concerned about the effect that a central bank has on their lives. These are secretive organizations run by the ultra elite that control virtually every aspect of our lives. The Fed in tandem with the governments control most of the worlds behavior through money. The governments and the Fed (central banks) impose interest, levies, fines, penalties and taxes on individuals, companies and industries. Many people support this behavior because it gives the appearance of fairness. Government have gotten away with murder (both figuratively and literally) by getting society to buy into this fairness nonsense. Government could care less about being fair. Government and leaders care about control, power and money. The care even more about staying in power.

My point is that for society to work well in a way that is both efficient and fair it must be unencumbered by government controls. Government certainly does have a place and that is to protect it's citizens. They need to provide for a very small minority of people that truly cannot take care of themselves. They need to collect taxes to build roads, hospitals etc. The do not need to control behavior by taxing people and they certainly should not be a source of income and a way of life for people. I have always believed putting so much power into a Presidents or Prime Ministers hands is beyond sane and only ends in corruption and manipulation of society.

Countries could benefit greatly by establishing a small group of elders to make decision for their citizens. A group of men and women that have had careers and are not concerned with wealth and power. Their focus would be on leaving the society healthier, happier and better from top to bottom.

[Robin]

You bring up a lot of great points, Omni. The only way that humanity will ever change and mold itself into a moral, functioning society would be for people to change themselves individually. We are all flawed in some way, but some people are more conscious of these flaws than others, and actively change their individual perceptions to align themselves with morality.

The collective societal structure, including the political leaders, is a product of our collective morality. The entire planet is littered with trash and politics is based off of corruption because our collective mind is littered with trash and corruption in the form of faulty, immoral perceptions. The only way to have a clean environment and a functioning society is to have the average individual act as a moral functioning human.

In my opinion, the only way we will ever live as a functioning, moral society is through Anarchism. Really, it is the only system that we have not collectively tried, so how do we know that it won't work? Anarchy simply means "no external rulers or masters," but does not mean "no rules." It means that we are all masters of ourselves - our mind, body, and spirit. This notion, combined with the principle of not harming other sentient beings and following standard rules, is philosophically what true freedom actually is.

An Anarchist society will not function in the current collective mindset of humanity, to that there is no dispute. Most people are so ingrained in their own egos where they do not understand what the non-aggression principle is or how it works. Most people also think that they are moral people because they pay their taxes and do not go around stealing and murdering people. But what they don't understand is that their actions, and especially inactions, both directly and indirectly influence other people.

By voting for a politician, the voter is indirectly responsible for the product of the politician's actions, and therefore, all of the police and military people's actions who carry out their orders. Even if the voter lives an "upstanding" life as a good Christian who believes in a supreme God, pays taxes, and doesn't directly harm another human being, they are still indirectly harming human beings because of their actions. Simply complaining that a politician is acting immorally is not enough, because the voter put them in power. Sure, the politician is responsible for their immoral actions, but those immoral actions are allowed to continue because voters still give them power. When an upstanding, moral voter allows these immoral actions to continue, they become immoral due to their negligence to act.

The concept of Anarchy is based off of the universal gift of sovereignty and free-will. Wherever there is any form of government -- whether it is Communism or a Democratic Republic -- sovereignty does not exist. It is an impossibility for a society to be free with any form of government, because the concept of government is based off of slavery through coercion. Even if all the psychopaths of the world suddenly disappear and humanity sets up a governmental structure that has leaders that are moral people who only have moral actions and intentions, we would all still be slaves by definition. As soon as authority is given any legitimacy, then sovereignty disappears due to inherent conflict and contradiction between the two concepts.

It is either slavery or Anarchism, and most people will cringe upon reading that. I say that humanity needs to be Anarchistic, because if were not, then we'll never evolve in consciousness. There is bound to be certain people who would continue to harm others, but that is inevitable in any society. But those few people will be taken care of by the rest of the moral society. If society as a whole ends up breaking down and people cannot live with one another without harming one another, then the human species of planet Earth was never meant to be a highly evolved species, and nor does it deserve to be.

[Jake]

A mans highest calling is to keep women safe,, so she can walk the earth unharmed... Old cherokee proverb...

If only govermnents were founded on such things...

Jake

[joeecho]

Posted by Jake (here)
A mans highest calling is to keep women safe,, so she can walk the earth unharmed... Old cherokee proverb...

If only govermnents were founded on such things...

Jake

A government (system) is a gang like any gang in existence. The only difference between gangs is the power it possess over others. A gang does not honor the free-thinking individual as it is contra to the group mentality.

[joeecho]

Posted by Robin Galdek (here)
It is either slavery or Anarchism, and most people will cringe upon reading that. I say that humanity needs to be Anarchistic, because if were not, then we'll never evolve in consciousness. There is bound to be certain people who would continue to harm others, but that is inevitable in any society. But those few people will be taken care of by the rest of the moral society. If society as a whole ends up breaking down and people cannot live with one another without harming one another, then the human species of planet Earth was never meant to be a highly evolved species, and nor does it deserve to be.

If something is to exist because it 'deserves' to exist then nothing would exist. Where does this idea of entitlement come from but from the ego.

[M0JFK]

Ultimately we have to try something. If we accept that any system we do try will become corrupt and fail then we all had just better roll over and die right now. Any system will have inherent problems, any system will not be perfect. Any system must be always ready to change and to adapt and always be progressive with new ideas and new science.

I don't think anyone can or ever will have the perfect idea/system but there will always be people with new ideas that must be worth trying. Yes as I have said above some will fail and some will advance mankind but one thing is for sure is we cant keep repeating the failures of capitalism.

Given todays potential destructive power it is sheer madness to continue with a system that relies on destruction to regenerate itself...that is unless the powers that be are in possession of technology that would in effect cancel out any detrimental (after effects) effects of a nuclear war.

I often wonder how TPTB have gone from the unthinkable (MAD) doctrine to a quite open policy now to use nuclear weapons. They must have something we don't know about for this remarkable shift in policy from MAD to actually start talking of using these weapons like they are just another tool in the box.

Anyway back on to the subject at hand...humanity must try out new ideas and be prepared for failure on some of them, nothing is perfect but ANYTHING must be better than the system we have at present. Surely things can get better rather than worse? I am up for giving it a go...are you?

[Deega]

Hi Omniverse, very interesting Tread, Posts, here’s a few comments.

Would it be possible to have a SYSTEM that may work equitably for the people? First, we would need to define what is a System, and how that System works! Defining, working System would take to much space in this Post, but here a succinct overview. In our System (US, Canada, European), we have a Government (legislative, executive, judiciary branches), Corporations, and People to put it simply.

On the Corporation side, the main thing that keep this System going is MONEY. Money serves the purpose of exchange of goods and services, guarantee a value as buying power over matter, production, and capital. And these principles were put in place thousand of years ago. The Governments work for the Corporations, one example, Education Departments instill in youth, the basic principle of that System so that, when adult, they continue the mindset. One may have a look in ALL Departments of governments, it’s designed to continue the mindset.

As we know, the notion of PROFIT bring in power to different degrees in Corporation, also in individual. And to keep the Corporations going, we have a Banking System that oversees the different transactions to keep their control over people. The Banking System (Financial World) has the ultimate power over Governments, Corporations and People.

On the individual side, we are dualistic people, and, by it, we are creative, without it, life would probably be a lot less interesting! Without ethical upbringing, duality help create power-abuse, corruption, etc.

IMHO, I would think that whatever System is put up with the above mindset lead to abuse of people. Is there any alternative, everyone of us have their ideas on the matter but here a few things to considered!

As “people - ALL”, we need to have ideals that are sacred, and everyone of us should be taught at a very young age, the importance of it. The first one may be, WE REALIZED OURSELVES BY HELPING OTHERS REALIZED THEMSELVES. Participating Avalon Members to this Tread will add what they see as "sacred"!

What would be the fundamental principles we would have to identified as sacred?, I think in this following order, Human Beings, Natural Resources, Earth (water, air, fire), we live on Earth but we are part of a larger System (our Galaxy), "ALL people" adopt Spiritual Values, would be a startup wouldn't you think?

Would these sacred values be ever enshrined gradually in the System we live in? I think that dissemination of these values in the like of Avalon, and other similar Discussion Forums will make headway hopefully!

I’m dreaming here!

The best to everyone.

[Sierra]

Posted by Jake (here)
A mans highest calling is to keep women safe,, so she can walk the earth unharmed... Old cherokee proverb...

If only govermnents were founded on such things...

Jake

The American system is based in large part on an American Indian system, with one fatal exception: The council of women elders with the power to veto war.

Dagnabit.

[ghostrider]

in the words of Bruce Lee , maybe no system is the best system ... a system can always be controlled and corrupted ... knowledge is the key to our moving forward as a people ... We must leave behind the age of beliefs and enter the age of knowledge ...

[yelik]

You are correct Omni,

The control of the banking system and money black magic does need to be dismantled. These Nazi /Zio's ain't going to give up their life of gods easily because they're getting help from negative ET and their suppression technologies.

I understand they are being attacked and weakened on a number of fronts, from the WhiteHats, Russian, BRICS and positive ET'.

If we want to reclaim the earth and live the life we are supposed to then each and everyone one of us has to take personal responsibility for doing our bit. Do not fear these Pscho misfits, alter our value systems to live a debt free minimalistic lifestyle, by local farm grown foods, Ignoring their brainwashing tactics, do not vote, awaken others, spread the word. Set examples to our children and teach them well.

[Hawkwind]

I agree that no system of government can function optimally so long as the governed are "flawed" (selfish, dishonest, etc). Contrarily, if the governed were not "flawed", no system of governance would be needed. The purpose of government, from my perspective then, is (or at least ought to be) to promote good. And we can, of course, go round and round arguing over exactly what that term means, but I think most of us would agree that an ecosystem verging on catastrophic global collapse is somewhat less than ideal. From that perspective, the current collective systems of governance are failing spectacularly. To be sure, this failure is due at least in part to "flaws" in human nature, but the process by which leaders are currently chosen tends to exacerbate the problem exponentially. In short, at present only the most ruthless, power-hungry and duplicitous candidates tend to succeed in being elected. Redefining that process, seems to me, the most critical component of bringing about meaningful, long-term, positive change.

[Ernie Nemeth]

There is no way to have any viable system so long as any group can come together and in one way or another convince the masses that their means of governing is the best way - and then have the power to force everyone to conform by the use of violence and fear.

That is why Wade Frazier is correct in maintaining that we are doomed until the technologies associated with FE are released to the public. Only with those technologies could the individual truly guard their freedom and actually be sovereign. Until then we are just flapping our gums.

[Hawkwind]

The release of knowledge and technologies related to free energy COULD, if used wisely, greatly improve life on the planet within a decade. If used unwisely, those same technologies could turn the planet into a lifeless cinder just as quickly. I am in no way convinced that "the general public" is mature enough to be trusted with that responsibility. If the current efforts of the elites to dumb people down are allowed to continue, however, "the general public" will never be ready for such responsibility. That's why I see political reform toward responsible self-governance as a necessary precursor to the release of suppressed knowledge and technologies.

[kennywally]

well, for me, this explains it all, for those who can relate to it.
http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_samuel/8.htm

we/our ancestors, gave God the finger......and to add insult to injury even after Manassehs captivity was over [ 2520 yrs from captivity ] and then the nation was founded,
our farmers neglected the land sabbath......the plants are sick, mineral deficient soils and weak ...easy plunder for insects, hence the need for insecticide and fertilizers.

so , we cannot do any thing right without our Heavenly Father is the bottom line.......it will all play out, we are in sorrows

[apokalypse]

i having these though of No System Will Work for a year now especially when ever i do or see...we can talked about the system all day long or how people spin it this system or that system work but other important factor is individual person. My washing machine just dead, went to my neighbor for help and he kind of say no to use his washer to finish off washing...why we need owning stuff that hardly use? why it cost more to fix stuff more or close to buying a new one? everything is money oriented.

i love to see people sharing stuff or things, no more customer service and owning stuff...why so many cars on the road? each of us could be cab driver, if i go to the city/downtown and i could pick anyone and drop them off during my journey to downtown/city. why i need to own stuff like washing machine which never use daily or many other stuff hardly use?

[Silo]

And yet, there has been progress.

[Observer1964]

Posted by Silo (here)


And yet, there has been progress.

That's how I feel to.

It is the lack of imagination that makes you think all has been discovered and tried.