Undetected China Sub Startles US Navy!

[truthseekerdan]

Recall what Lindsey told Alex Jones to keep an eye on China? Here we go...

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced.

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.

And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-faced.html

[Operator]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

Perhaps we've to get used to this ... the USA is NOT the only military superpower. We generally do not know much about China ...
They historically do not leave their area to participate in battles and wars ... but times are changing I guess.

I think it is possible that we soon find out that all the messing with shut down nukes etc. is from terrestrial origin after all

[Agape]

Too bad unless they all stop this war game fast enough. They might not end up with 'red face' but 'sad face' and what about no face...


It's big boys with big toys making big mess. Not better than that.

[Zepheriah]

I like the Chinese, they do what we all wish we could, make the US Gov't realise that they are, after all, not all powerful.

[I_Am]

So, now we know the source of the missile launch off us west coast, or?

[Fredkc]

I like the Chinese, they do what we all wish we could, make the US Gov't realize that they are, after all, not all powerful.

At what cost?

I am among the first who will state that the bright notion that was the US 0f A has gone off the rails. I further believe that the people have so thoroughly forgotten their freedom, that a complete fall from freedom is now almost inevitable.

Many will cheer this event. Many will also regret it, because other, bigger monsters have engineered much of it, and wait in the wings.

"Look not unkindly upon the devil you know." And if you think China is any kind of bright spot in this world, think again.

From January, 2006:

Dongzhou:
The village where paramilitary police shot and killed at least 100 protesters.

Protesting what? Dongzhou was a fishing village, that got in the way. Beijing selected their land for the site of a new factory. Using eminent domain, the government seized their land. For their homes, their property, their livelihood each family was offered the equivalent of $13.50. When the people gathered in protest, the PLA drove through the town in armored cars. Machine guns vs. protest signs.

The night of the massacre, while the local party leader rode through the streets, proclaiming on a loudspeaker, "I am a friend of Dongzhou, this sort of thing isn't necessary", the people lucky enough to sneak out, find the bodies of their relatives before the soldiers did, were hiding them in their houses, or burying them in the backyard.

The government claims 3 dead. The number is 100 at least. No one will ever know. If one of them was a relative of yours, you could get 10 years for trying to find out whether they're alive on the Internet.

Tienanmen Square I:
After the initial attack on the protesters, tanks were driven through the square, to kill the people who lay wounded.

I remember reading, back then, the account written by the General in charge. He said this was done purposely, and as brutally, and publicly as possible. It was done in this manner because this was the most effective means of preventing further protests.

Even so, his reasoning had nothing to do with "saving future lives". It was done because the fear would prevent future outbreaks and so, it was "the most economical thing to do".

Tienanmen Square II:
Shi Tao, 37, a reporter for a business daily, a year ago, was sentenced by Beijing to 10 years in prison for "divulging state secrets abroad." Gee, sound familiar? (Dick Cheney, you're missing the boat!) [note: I wrote of this back in 2006, too]

His offense? E-mailing to non-Chinese Web sites the warning that the Beijing government told his newspaper and others not to cover the 15th anniversary of the Tienanmen Square massacre.

Note that 10 years in China does not mean 5 year with good behavior. It means you will be making toys for Wal-Mart, the whole ten years.

Falun Gong:
After assessing 18 elements of evidence that the authors submitted were ‘‘verifiable and in most cases incontestable,’’ the report concluded that ‘‘there has been and continues today to be a large scale organ seizure from unwilling Falun Gong practitioners.’’ Well, if widespread killing of Falun Gong practitioners for profit to provide organs for transplants is true, then this is ‘‘so shocking that it represents a new form of evil in this world.’’

The Chinese Communist Party’s fears of this group cannot be underestimated. Interestingly, before Falun Gong practitioners were persecuted, its teachings and practices were supported and even encouraged by the Communist Government, who touted health benefits and other such things and even taught Falun Gong lessons within government buildings.

Falun Gong practitioners were from all walks of life and many were senior and mid-level political leaders, party members, People’s Liberation Army officers and civil servants. They have spent their lives working for the government and they were not the kind of people who were inclined to rebel against government. Some were very, very proud party members, but they were involved originally in studying these spiritual practices which are based, of course, on Chinese religious traditions.

The party rewarded their loyalty by doggedly hunting them down, brutally torturing, imprisoning and killing them, and now it appears that the ultimate horror may be taking place. Falun Gong practitioners may be being killed so that some corrupt official can profit from the sale of their body parts.

__________________________

Forgive the rant.
While I have worked with, and for some Chinese, who I find an amazing people, I still believe the ascendancy of the current Chinese government, nothing to cheer about.
Fred

[HURRITT ENYETO]

You guys know that this happened 3 years ago with the Chinese sub popping up next to the Kittyhawk right?

[Operator]

Posted by Fredkc (here)
At what cost?

Very well stated Fred ... we shouldn't replace a non-functioning system and/or bully by another one.

A standoff between both systems could however lead to an interesting situation where the peoples of involved nations say: "No mas" (like the Germans in the other thread).
Wouldn't that be nice ... if factions of TPTB were facing each other and would no longer be supported by the people ... telling them if you want to fight go ahead but do
your own dirty work ... Leave us out of the equation. It would show how most of us are grown up. Maybe we are ready ... maybe we are the ones we're waiting for.
And just maybe there is a 'tipping' point ... see it as a test ! Are we ready for our exam ?

[fifi]

I like the Chinese, they do what we all wish we could, make the US Gov't realise that they are, after all, not all powerful.

I totally agree with Fredkc. Those who have never lived under communism will say that they like "the Chinese" as in Chinese government. Chinese people are nice, but Chinese communist party is a form of totalitarianism that is much worse than any western government. People seem to forget the image of a military tank running over a protesting Chinese student in the Tiananmen Square protest of 1989.

[fifi]

we shouldn't replace a non-functioning system and/or bully by another one.

Totally agree with Operator, too. And this comes from someone who actually lives under communism and lucky enough to escape from it.

[Steven]

The Asian countries are the counter-balance of the western domination in the future. The balance of east and west. A good thing in the overall, in my opinion. Ethic over Power. I don't beleive the Asian power will be the same as the old western oligarchy.

Namaste, Steven

[truthseekerdan]

The fact of the matter is that no government is 'for the people'. They just hide under names like communist, capitalist, socialist, etc., claiming that they are better than the other(s).
As bad as China looks, and I've experienced living in a communist country as a young boy (not China), at least they did not have a 9/11 event and lie to the people in order to start a war and kill more people.
It's all a global game with different villains, so to speak -- and I don't need anyone to agree with my statement, because this is the way 'I see it'!

End of rant.

[Olam]

I saw that also but then realized the report was made in 2007....as you see at the top of the report.
So its either old news or a "mistake" on the date?

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Posted by Olam (here)
I saw that also but then realized the report was made in 2007....as you see at the top of the report.
So its either old news or a "mistake" on the date?

Yes its old news. I made the comment earlier in the thread too.
hurritt.

[truthseekerdan]

What's Up With Google's Logo Today? See what I mean...

[Zillah]

Interesting indeed! I tried to check out this image for myself by going to google.com, but because I live in canada, it automatically redirects me to google.ca and I cannot change the URL no matter how curious I am re: today's image (and trust me, I am! haha). But on that note, the image on google.ca remains unchanged. Thank you for your post truthseekerdan, otherwise I wouldn't have seen this.

[Ammit]

Maybe the Chinese just wanted to let the American navy know that they were now in the same league or maybe even better.

Ammit

[Fredkc]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
What's Up With Google's Logo Today? See what I mean...

Veteran's Day in the US, Dan

[Zepheriah]

Fredkc, do you think that i exist walking around with head stuck firmly up my rear end? You think i don't know about China's appalling human rights record, the fact that they piss all over their own people and are responsible for some truly tragic acts?

You really should not assume you know more than someone else or that the person you are trying to disagree with is unaware of the facts.

The USA would like to think that it is the ONLY military superpower in the world. They are not. They are not as all powerful as they like to think, and could do with being humbled like this more often, regardless of how long ago this incident occured.

Do i like the Chinese people, you bet your ass i do, they are far more cultured and thoughtful than any western nation can claim, the food they cook is awe inspiringly simple and healthy (obviously not neccesarily true from your local takeaway), and their outlook on life and how it should be in balance with the world around us is second to none.

Do i like the Chinses Gov't and its ideals? Yes. Shockingly, some people can actually come to their own conclusions about wether or not they should like a foreign Gov't, even one like China's, and see the merit in its ethos even when everyone else is screaming at you that you are infact, wrong.

There are a great deal of things that i disagree with on this forum, and a great deal of things i feel i am in a VAST minority in believing, but it is my choice to believe these things, and no one person is going to change my beliefs or ideals. What i do not do, is assume that people are ignorant of the facts, whether they are or aren't. I may disagree with what someone says so strongly that it makes me physically angry that its been written, but it is not my place to belittle someone elses beliefs or try to tell then that they are wrong.

Who is to say that i am wrong in my beliefs? You? Anyone?

No.

The only person rightfully able to make the claim that i am false in my beliefs is myself.

[Everlight]

Hi Fred, You seem to really have your finger on the pulse as you share your viewpoint on a number of fronts. Glad to have you here and contributing good researched data. Keep it coming. I for one sure
appreciate what you are doing. Everlight