Why Satanism (and Christianity) is a lie.

[donk]

What I see more than anything is the projecting of argumentative/manipulative behavior on to others, whenever folks disagree or are upset by something that's said. A defense mechanism...it takes patience to constantly clarify your point among the emotional attachments they have to their own ideas you more often than not are not even discussing at the time.

Couple that with the fact that everyone feels like they "know" you and rarely allow for your growth or changing positions, and it does become discouraging. However know that there's more and more awareness, and up to people like you to continue to help expand it...I think it's part of the program--seems as we all grow together, whatever's been holding us back ups the resistance...I'm hopeful it's an indicator that we're getting somewhere...and it's worth it

[RMorgan]

Posted by donk (here)
What I see more than anything is the projecting of argumentative/manipulative behavior on to others, whenever folks disagree or are upset by something that's said. A defense mechanism...it takes patience to constantly clarify your point among the emotional attachments they have to their own ideas you more often than not are not even discussing at the time.

Couple that with the fact that everyone feels like they "know" you and rarely allow for your growth or changing positions, and it does become discouraging. However know that there's more and more awareness, and up to people like you to continue to help expand it...I think it's part of the program--seems as we all grow together, whatever's been holding us back ups the resistance...I'm hopeful it's an indicator that we're getting somewhere...and it's worth it

Just today I read a story about a guy who was invited as a guest in a talk show. Michael Shermer is his name.

There was another guest, an alleged psychic, doing the usual psychic act.

However, Michael happened to be a cold reading specialist and debunked the "psychic" right there.

He showed the audience all techniques so accurately that the psychic started crying and left the stage, feeling humiliated.

The thing is, half of the audience got really mad at Michael. They didn't get mad at the charlatan, you know, the man who was scamming them. They've got mad at the man who was trying to help them instead!

Unbelievable, right?

Do you know what was their point?

They accused him of "shattering their illusions". lol

I guess I don't need to say what the "moral" of the story is, right?

[Wind]

I can understand your points about the dangers of beliefs, Raf. People are scammed all the time because of man's greed and it's wrong. Humans can be fooled quite easily unless one has a really discerning mind, but that also can lead to cynicism (which I'm guilty of at times) I'm not part of any religion (although I was baptised as a Christian when I was a baby), and I much moree agree with the eastern philosophies. However, belief in something greater than me has always given me hope. Maybe that belief is not rational and I aknowledge that.

Then again, there is the inner knowing, like you know something to be true. Since it's still a subjective thing, it can't be seen as scientific. Although it is very real to you as the invidiual with the knowingness. Like the "historical" figure of Jesus, many don't know what to think about him. To many he was a saviour, the son of god. Some believe that he didn't exist at all.

To me he just represents a teacher and I know that he existed, a man, who had realized something greater in himself. Because those were still very primitive times, he was of course seen as a magical person with all that he did and said. Many didn't even understand what he meant with his parables, but he knew that those who would understand would understand it. I don't think that it was his intention ever to invent the Christian religion. He was teached by the essenes and got also most of his understanding from Egypt and India.

There are also some good source claiming that he was never even crucified. I was just thinking about the objectivity of science and subjective beliefs. I think that it is crucial to combine science with spiritual understanding since everything here on Earth is spirit. Maybe this is a bit offtopic, if so, I beg your pardon.

This discussion is from one good tv-series (a bit too grim for me though). Some funny points about the actors in the series... Matthew McConaughey is actually a Christian and Woody Harrelson is 9/11 truth & environmental activist and an anarchist.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_RfUj09pWfM

[RMorgan]

Posted by Wind (here)
This discussion is from one good tv-series (a bit too grim for me though). Some funny points about the actors in the series... Matthew McConaughey is actually a Christian and Woody Harrelson is 9/11 truth & environmental activist and an anarchist.

Hey Wind,

I really enjoyed this series.

Anyway, regarding this specific scene:

Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, according to analysis of scores of scientific studies stretching back over decades

...According to the study entitled, 'The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations', published in the 'Personality and Social Psychology Review', even during early years the more intelligent a child is the more likely it would be to turn away from religion.

In old age above average intelligence people are less likely to believe, the researchers also found.

One of the studies used in Zuckerman's paper was a life-long analysis of the beliefs of 1,500 gifted children with with IQs over 135.

The study began in 1921 and continues today. Even in extreme old age the subjects had much lower levels of religious belief than the average population.

The review, which is the first systematic meta-analysis of the 63 studies conducted in between 1928 and 2012, showed that of the 63 studies, 53 showed a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity, while 10 showed a positive one...

Link for the scientific paper itself:

http://nuweb9.neu.edu/socialinteract...meta-final.pdf

So yeah, Matthew's character is very likely correct about his statement.

[Magenta]

Interesting discussion.

Ultimately, we need to sort out these issues for ourselves. You can debate the reality of Satan and demons all you want, but to me, it comes down to personal experience and how you choose to interpret what you experience. Sure, you can look to books and other research; I do it all the time. But for every book that says there are no demons, there's one that says they're real. IMHO, it comes down to spiritual discernment and that can't be researched or backed up with facts.

Also, with each new experience, your views will most likely change. I know mine have changed dramatically from where I was at 20 years ago - and I'm sure they'll continue to change as part of my own spiritual evolution.

[Mike]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by donk (here)
What I see more than anything is the projecting of argumentative/manipulative behavior on to others, whenever folks disagree or are upset by something that's said. A defense mechanism...it takes patience to constantly clarify your point among the emotional attachments they have to their own ideas you more often than not are not even discussing at the time.

Couple that with the fact that everyone feels like they "know" you and rarely allow for your growth or changing positions, and it does become discouraging. However know that there's more and more awareness, and up to people like you to continue to help expand it...I think it's part of the program--seems as we all grow together, whatever's been holding us back ups the resistance...I'm hopeful it's an indicator that we're getting somewhere...and it's worth it

Just today I read a story about a guy who was invited as a guest in a talk show. Michael Shermer is his name.

There was another guest, an alleged psychic, doing the usual psychic act.

However, Michael happened to be a cold reading specialist and debunked the "psychic" right there.

He showed the audience all techniques so accurately that the psychic started crying and left the stage, feeling humiliated.

The thing is, half of the audience got really mad at Michael. They didn't get mad at the charlatan, you know, the man who was scamming them. They've got mad at the man who was trying to help them instead!

Unbelievable, right?

Do you know what was their point?

They accused him of "shattering their illusions". lol

I guess I don't need to say what the "moral" of the story is, right?

good story, Raf. but I think the problem some people are having is, you have attached yourself so strongly to the role of "illusion shatterer" that it can at times come off as arrogant. in a way, you are falling victim to the tunnel vision that you are suggesting others snap out of. you are willing to listen up to a point, but beyond that it seems you've convinced yourself youre right about nearly everything. your strong reaction earlier surprised me. it seems to be saying: if you all don't shape up and agree with me quick, im gone...the implication being youre doing us all an enormous favor by simply being here. I truly hope im totally misinterpreting you, but to me it comes off as wildly arrogant. and look, this is coming from one of your biggest fans. im thrilled your back participating on the forum.

I don't say this to engender some flip response from you. I hope you don't view it as an attack. its not. if I didn't admire you like I do I wouldn't have even bothered writing this. just some food for thought.

[RMorgan]

Posted by Mike (here)
I truly hope im totally misinterpreting you

Yes, you are, Chinaski.

I don't know. Maybe my English is not as good as I think it is...

...Or maybe I somehow leave too much space between the lines.

All I know is that, for some reason, people keep putting words in my mouth and assuming that I've said things which I've never said.

Anyway, I believe this forum has become a hostile and toxic environment. Not really my cup of tea, sincerely speaking. I may be wrong, though.

Actually what I perceive is that this is a terrible platform of discussion.

Internet forums are great to discuss technical and straightforward subjects like "Hey, I want to change my Strat's pickups, what would be the best options to achieve a Jimi Hendrix kind of clean tone?" or "What's the best way to paint a wall without making a mess?", but are a disaster to discuss complex subjects.

I've been away for two years and it appears to be stuck in the same place where I left it. It didn't evolve as a community at all, in my opinion. So, I honestly don't believe people are getting anywhere close to any truth or will be able to find any solution to actually help saving the world on internet forums. This platform is simply very limited.

...Or maybe I'm the one who changed too much. I've been writing a lot and debating big issues with people who actually earn a living debating big issues, so I'm certainly way more objective than I used to be.

I've also grown accustomed to follow certain dialectic codes which are simply essential in order to develop a fruitful discussion and not a pointless argumentation, like avoiding assumptions and trying to be as objective and focused as possible.

But I digress, my friend. Anyway, I feel like people are much more focused on attacking me than actually reading what I write?

I've just written a big post about very cool concepts and clarifying a lot of things on page #2 and apparently nobody's interested in it?

It appears that people are most interested in talking about me than the things I actually write.

Is this what this forum has become? Like a big virtual group therapy room where people come to vent and project their personal issues on one another?

If this is it, I'm not interested. Honestly.

I like you too, man, by the way. Always enjoyed your style and intellectual honesty.

Raf.

[awakeningmom]

Going back to the original post (i.e, Satan is a myth), and I hope this makes sense. I've considered myself "agnostic" for over 25 years. Raised marginally Catholic (i.e., we were a mass on Christmas and Easter family, but since "mass" was in Latin, it didn't do much for me anyway), I've steered clear of all organized religions ever since college and my first Comparative Religion class. But it was finally realizing 9-11 was a lie (12 years after the fact) that made me start to question my non-belief (or indifference) to the spiritual realm. This is not to say that 9-11 made me suddenly believe in "Jesus" or a personal OT God or Satan, but it did lead me down a very peculiar metaphysical rabbit hole. That is, in trying to connect the dots behind all the false flags, world wars, fiat debt-slavery banking system, etc. and in trying to understand how it could all have been allowed to happen, I became much more open --albeit still very reluctantly -- to the possibility of a Dark Force (whatever it is called) being real.

It's still very hard for me to wrap my mind around some of the things Icke and others say about the people who supposedly control our planet and who/what they worship or who/what controls them (ET's, demons, archons, whatever). It could very well be all just a big (human elite) psy-op to keep the masses terrified and controlled. And as someone who has never knowingly encountered an ET, UFO, demon, angel, etc... I'm still very much grounded in the material world. (although that doesn't mean I discount others' experiences with these entities either, since this "real" world has gotten a whole lot weirder to me in the last two years). But I guess in trying to understand who the PTB is/are and why they are the ones (allowed to be?) in power, I'm starting to wonder if there's something to the suggestion that a Dark Force (whether it goes by Satan or some other name) really exists beyond just ordinary human evil. And if that's true, then in this world of duality, mustn't there be a corresponding Light Force (by whatever name it is known by)? I don't have any conclusions or even strong opinions yet, but I am curious about what the OP thinks about this. In your opinion, is all evil mundane/of human origins? Is the Dark/Light metaphysical battle a big psy-op on a completely materialistic world?

[RMorgan]

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
Going back to the original post (i.e, Satan is a myth), and I hope this makes sense. I've considered myself "agnostic" for over 25 years. Raised marginally Catholic (i.e., we were a mass on Christmas and Easter family, but since "mass" was in Latin, it didn't do much for me anyway), I've steered clear of all organized religions ever since college and my first Comparative Religion class. But it was finally realizing 9-11 was a lie (12 years after the fact) that made me start to question my non-belief (or indifference) to the spiritual realm. This is not to say that 9-11 made me suddenly believe in "Jesus" or a personal OT God or Satan, but it did lead me down a very peculiar metaphysical rabbit hole. That is, in trying to connect the dots behind all the false flags, world wars, fiat debt-slavery banking system, etc. and in trying to understand how it could all have been allowed to happen, I became much more open --albeit still very reluctantly -- to the possibility of a Dark Force (whatever it is called) being real.

It's still very hard for me to wrap my mind around some of the things Icke and others say about the people who supposedly control our planet and who/what they worship or who/what controls them (ET's, demons, archons, whatever). It could very well be all just a big (human elite) psy-op to keep the masses terrified and controlled. And as someone who has never knowingly encountered an ET, UFO, demon, angel, etc... I'm still very much grounded in the material world. (although that doesn't mean I discount others' experiences with these entities either, since this "real" world has gotten a whole lot weirder to me in the last two years). But I guess in trying to understand who the PTB is/are and why they are the ones (allowed to be?) in power, I'm starting to wonder if there's something to the suggestion that a Dark Force (whether it goes by Satan or some other name) really exists beyond just ordinary human evil. And if that's true, then in this world of duality, mustn't there be a corresponding Light Force (by whatever name it is known by)? I don't have any conclusions or even strong opinions yet, but I am curious about what the OP thinks about this. In your opinion, is all evil mundane/of human origins? Is the Dark/Light metaphysical battle a big psy-op on a completely materialistic world?

Thank you!

Yes, you've certainly understood that I was referring to the biblical satanic concept and how it was stolen from Judaism and then perverted into something else in order to keep people under control through fear.

About the possible existence of so called evil forces, I've written my opinion on page #2. Here's the link to make it easier.

Basically, I believe it's all about projection. There's certainly a lot of things unknown and people naturally tend to interpret the unknown using known familiar concepts, at least until a better explanation is found. Like the amazon lost tribe's guys pointing their bows and arrows to the helicopter, as better described in the above cited post.

So, something good happens and we can't explain: It's god!

Something bad happens that we can't explain: It's the devil!

That's how our mind works. It's worth remember that we're genetically identical to the guys who used to think sun and the moon were gods that used to kill each other every day and night. This is how reliable our mind is to judge unknown phenomena.

Obviously, the folks in charge are quite aware of this "soft spot" and have been taking advantage over it for ages.

The point is, to this date, every time we've used the known as an attempt to explain the unknown, we've been dead wrong. Why believe it would be different now?

It's only possible to explain unknown phenomena through new conceptual models.

So, if there are evil or good "forces" interacting with us, I really don't know. But I truly believe that this primitive conceptualization isn't even close to reality.

All I know is that I've seen evil in men and, honestly, I can't imagine how a "demon" could be worse. I've seen good in men as well, and I also don't think an angel could do much better.

I simply don't see any reason to either blame "the devil" or credit "god" for our bad and good deeds. We're perfectly capable of both.

Raf.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I came back here to see 4 pages and an assertion by the OP,
that "religious people are proven to be less intelligent than atheists".

A person COULD get angry, but it's more effective to point out what is offensive.



There is a huge difference between tolerating stupidity and tolerating diversity of beliefs.

Any "study" claiming to prove that people espousing total atheism somehow outperform, out-think, or are in any way superior to/more intelligent than people of faith is dubious at best and hate speech at worst.

[Jake]

Anyway, I believe this forum has become a hostile and toxic environment. Not really my cup of tea, sincerely speaking. I may be wrong, though.

Nearly spit out mee coffee laughing.. I respond to folks whos opinion is the exact opposite,, and complain about too much warm fluffy.. Hostile and toxic? U crackin me up, partner. I am reading and admiring all aspects of this conversation. The quoted bit is absolutely ridiculous.

Part of what we do here is to create a platform where folks DO feel safe to move forward, knowing that they are getting equall support and respect...

On one hand you criticize for toxic hostility,, whilst at the same time criticizing the respect and support????

Perhaps this conversation never really had a chance from the start..

Be well, raf.
Jake

[RMorgan]

Posted by Jake (here)
Be well, raf.
Jake

Why don't you simply count how many posts in this thread are personal attacks and completely unrelated to the OP's topic?

It's as simple as that.

But you're right. Being called a Tyrant right on the second post isn't really a good start, is it?

How could anyone be a Tyrant on an internet forum, anyway?

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
I came back here to see 4 pages and an assertion by the OP,
that "religious people are proven to be less intelligent than atheists".

It's not my fault. I didn't write a single word of that paper or add anything to the highlighted article title.

The paper is pretty conclusive, if you take your time to read it, but I don't agree with the Independent's article title as well. Very provocative and unnecessary.

It should have been versed as something like "The more intelligent a person is, the less likely he's to be religious"...Or something like that.

The paper itself is titled as "The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations"...So, the authors can't be blamed for the journalist's bad taste either.

[RMorgan]

Everyone:

I'm much more interested on having a productive discussion here.

So, if I have offended you. I'm sorry ok? I swear it was not my intention.

Can we stop fighting each other? Maybe think twice before posting something nonconstructive?

Why waste precious time arguing for the sake of arguing?

Who knows, maybe even point flaws in the OP instead of calling me names?

Please?

Thank you!

[Rozzy]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Everyone:

I'm much more interested on having a productive discussion here.

So, if I have offended you. I'm sorry ok? I swear it was not my intention.

Can we stop fighting each other? Maybe think twice before posting something nonconstructive?

Why waste precious time arguing for the sake of arguing?

Who knows, maybe even point flaws in the OP instead of calling me names?

Please?

Thank you!

Your joking right??
Look at the title of the thread and then look at your first post, you offended multitudes of people and it looks intentional, what would you expect??

[Apteka]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Get over it, the sooner the better. Civilization is going south quickly and there are much more important things to think about concerning this specific moment in time.

Raf.

Sigh.

Where do I begin...

[ZooLife]

RE: Why Satanism (and Christianity) is a lie.

Chalk this up to the looooong list of lies.

Some truths that one may still believe in have yet to transition to the list of lies.

The biggest lie cannot be written because it would contradict the very one who would write it.

[Robin]

Hey Raf,

After a little reluctance, I thought that I'd jump in and offer my thoughts, perceptions, and opinions. You bring up a lot of great points and this is an important topic.

Firstly, Anarchism simply means etymologically "no rulers or masters," but does not mean "no rules." It means understanding that one is a sovereign being who owns oneself and therefore can decide how one's body and mind functions without dictates from any other being. Depending on one's moral code, a self-proclaimed Anarchist could harm others and disobey any form of rules, or they can adopt the non-aggression principle and abide by rules that protect the sovereign state of all beings. Anarchism and civil disobedience are two completely different things, and one is a potential product of the other.

Secondly, Satanists also vary, depending on their flavor of Satanism. Satanism as a whole is based entirely off of the worship of one's ego above everything else, and doing whatever it takes to be on top. Satanism always leads to hierarchy, because it is based off of a survival-of-the-fittest mentality. Therefore, most Satanists are Statists whether they believe it or not, and not Anarchists.

Mark Passio, an ex-Satanist, summarizes the ideology of Satanism better than anybody I've ever met. I've known about Satanic ideology before meeting him, but his gift of oratory can express it better than I ever could, so I choose to follow the work he does out of a respect for his gift. I would recommend to you to check out his work when you get a chance, especially his Natural Law seminar. If people of all religions and ideologies knew about Natural Law, we wouldn't be in the mess that we are in.

I can't speak for all Satanists, but I think that my understanding is very accurate based off of my experiences and interactions with them. Concerning Christians, there are some who are Bible-loving, Jesus-worshiping, miracle-believing, subservient, devil-fearing, ignorant nutcases, but there are also others who call themselves Christians because they simply appreciate the teachings of Jesus without all the dogma. It is the same with Satanism, but there are far less of them who believe in an actual devil character. Most of them simply take Satanism as an ideology that is based upon worshiping the ego above all else and exerting one's will onto others for their own personal gain. The word Satan stems from its Hebrew etymology which means "adversary, or opponent."

Many Satanists take up the role of "adversary" with dignity, truly believing that they are serving the best interests of the universe, because they help to push and challenge people to higher morals. This, of course, comes with an air of superiority. But nonetheless, most Satanists do not believe in a devil character. Most Satanists are even aware of the laws of the universe and how the human psyche works, but they proclaim their own values above it all. Compared to most Christians, Satanists as a whole are extremely cunning, intelligent, courageous, and full of self-respect. But this does not mean that I agree with their ideals, because their will to harm others is deplorable.

Anyway, I don't wish to get too deep into that realm. But I do want to share my background a bit. I've been an atheist for over a decade now. As soon as I was confirmed in my Catholic Church, I declared myself an atheist with passion and eagerness as I shed my layers of indoctrination. To me, the scientific method is the best way to gain an accurate understanding of the universe, and coupled with intuition and empathy, we could also better understand ourselves. Though I still consider myself an atheist, I acknowledge that atheism simply means "without a god." One could still be spiritual and believe in ghosts, demons, jinn, elementals, and "angels" without believing in a god.

As an atheist, I simply reject the notion that there is a superior force above everything else. I think that we are all emanations of a Source that splintered itself and condensed denser and denser into deeper realms. I don't care what people even call Source, whether they call it "God" or the "Big Bang." My spiritualism is a balance between science and religion, and is reminiscent of Theosophy or Anthroposophy, though I dislike labels. But as an atheist, or one who doesn't believe in a god, I think that that whatever the Creator is, it placed certain laws in the universe that guide a soul (a splinter of the Source) up through the levels of Densities as it achieves a high enough vibration to merge with the oneness of the Source of the universe. It's as if we are all splinters of the Source being dragged back into oneness at our own pace based upon our free will to decide how fast or in what way we progress. I can still take up these notions while still labeling myself an atheist.

That being said, I also reject any notion of "believing" anything. Those assumptions I made about the universe and our place in it are based off of research and intuition guided by experience. These are perceptions, and for all I know they me be completely wrong! But what separates me (and many other people) from others who have their thoughts and opinions about how the universe works is that I am not afraid to admit that I am wrong. Everybody is entitled to their perceptions of reality, but some are more aligned with the Truth than others, and it is our duty as sentient beings to change our patterns of thinking if we sway far off the mark. This is why I appreciate the Dalai Lama when he says:

“If scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims.”

Unfortunately, most people of both religious and scientific belief systems refuse to sway from their current thought patterns as new information emerges. As far as Christianity goes, yes, I believe most Christians are so deluded beyond repair. I care not what somebody chooses to believe, a long as their belief system does not harm another sentient being and they do not indoctrinate others with their beliefs. It doesn't matter whether or not Jesus was a historical figure in the grand scheme of things, because it is his message that matters. I do see it as a problem that most Christians truly believe that they can be spiritually saved by the acts of another being. I don't care what religion somebody is or if they base their lives entirely around science, but it is folly for any human being to believe that one's consciousness will ever advance by the sole acts of others.

As far as the existence of demons go, I'd encourage you to reconsider this. Again, atheism does not mean rejecting any notion of inter-dimensional beings. Research in quantum physics is showing more and more the existence of dimensions, parallel universes, and multiple realities. Since, scientifically, the entire universe is composed entirely of vibrations that resonate at different levels of frequency, the existence of entities that we cannot see is very convincing. Our eyes can only see a very small bandwidth of light and are tuned into this reality. I would argue that this is so at our current density our souls can learn certain lessons before gaining a higher vibration as we progress to a higher density.

But putting that aside, we are only tuned to see what we see, but that does not mean there are different layers of universal dimensions. Just like with a radio, there are different stations that have different frequencies. In order for the radio to function properly, it must be tuned to only one station. When you raise the station to a higher frequency, you can hear another station. In between the stations there is static. How is this any different to the human body connected to this current dimension? Our eyes are tuned to a certain frequency so we can properly function in this reality. Spiritualists may say this function is for our souls to learn lessons, and non-spiritualists may say that it is pure evolution.

Either way, the static between radio stations can also be applied to our reality. Why cannot demons or jinn be the "static" between two layers of universal densities? In Eastern traditions, especially Islam, they are adamant that there are jinn who are inter-dimensional beings that are caught between two realities. Jinn are the Eastern equivalent to Western Demons. Why cannot ghosts, demons, and jinn all be a reference to beings that are caught between two layers of universal densities? Theoretically, it is perfectly aligned with the realm of quantum physics.

Anyway, my tolerance for people of any religion is very low, and that includes the dogmatic belief in authority and money. Though we all have perceptions, there is one universal Truth. Personally, I choose to follow the Truth wherever it goes, and I continue to adjust my path every single day to come to as accurate of an understanding of our reality as I possibly can. This path has nothing to do with Darwinism, as Christians are falsely taught. In addition to being empathetic, I choose to be a moral person and not harm sentient beings because I understand that those actions will come back around and I will accumulate Karma in one way or the other. Isn't the Law of Karma written somewhere in the laws of physics? Oh yes, it's called Newton's Third Law.

[Jake]

I just read the entire thread and not a single person called you names,, and every post is within topical boundaries..

Tesla used the word absolutist, which is nof name calling,, but an appropriate us of the word when dealing with someone who insists their opinion is fact...

I DID count several wide sweeping, direct attacks on Avalon, and this community.. And None of them justified.

Even though (just counting here) several warm welcomes...

I agree with much of what your OPINION is... please stop with the strangely inappropriate attacks on this forum..

Back to topic...
Jake

[RMorgan]

Posted by Rozzy (here)
Your joking right??
Look at the title of the thread and then look at your first post, you offended multitudes of people and it looks intentional, what would you expect??

Since when a well substantiated critique can be considered an offense?

Is religion something special which should somehow be placed above critique?

You probably aren't aware of that but what I've said on the OP is pretty much a summary of what every single credible Historian and Theologian agree about Christianity: It's nothing more than a collage of "pagan" religions.

I didn't invent any of these concepts. Have you ever thought about questioning the Bible? If you want to keep being a Christian, you'd better don't even start, because there's no coming back. Historically speaking, if you remove all inconsistencies from it, you'll be left with no more than a handful of pages.

If you feel offended by the truth, then are you a real truth seeker?

[ZooLife]

In specified realm(s), Satanism (and Christianity) is a not a lie any more then anything else. An exit from said realm(s) tells a different story....

Once a person begins labeling things as true of false (lies) in the absolute sense, where does one draw the line? Where one draws those lines defines a person in a temporal sense.