+ Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 1 3
Results 41 to 58 of 58

Thread: A thread about fluoridation

  1. Link to Post #41
    Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    23rd June 2013
    Location
    North America
    Age
    72
    Posts
    6,884
    Thanks
    12,723
    Thanked 29,293 times in 6,140 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    U know it is interesting that people believe that they HAVE to remove their silver fillings.. And replace with 'innocent' white plastic replacements.

    Guess what the white plastic is FILLED WITH - FLUORIDE..

    How many people out there had their silver replaced with white fillings?

    https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-...4768954&rt=rud

    The first paste/paste, resin-modified glass ionomer (RMGI) restorative based on bonded nanofiller technology
    Esthetic glass ionomer restorative
    High fluoride release



    Quote Generally, glass ionomer restoratives can contain a broad range
    of particle sizes. Filler particle size can influence strength, optical
    properties and abrasion resistance.

    By using bonded nanofillers and
    nanocluster fillers, along with FAS glass, Ketac Nano restorative has
    improved esthetics and low wear, yet still provides the benefits of
    glass ionomer chemistry, such as fluoride release.

    Overall, Ketac Nano
    restorative exhibits impressive surface characteristics.
    https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/...ix-capsule.pdf

  2. Link to Post #42
    UK Avalon Member avid's Avatar
    Join Date
    19th March 2010
    Location
    NW UK
    Language
    English
    Posts
    2,896
    Thanks
    59,345
    Thanked 15,782 times in 2,666 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    Thanks Bob, I researched everything that dentists stuff in our mouths, and requested ‘no fluoride’, shock horror, every single item/solution/coating/filling is packed with fluoride. Asking for no fluoride anything stymies one’s dentist! My good friend, a dental inspector of practices, was mortified when I requested an holistic, fluoride-free list of practices. Impossible in the UK unless one is filthy rich and get ‘under-the-counter’ fluoride-free treatment.

    Some items leach many times the ‘safe’ levels of fluoride into one’s body, compounded by fluoridated drinking water, toothpaste, additional fillings, crown adhesives, veneers et al. Brain death by dentistry here we come...
    The love you withhold is the pain that you carry
    and er..
    "Chariots of the Globs" (apols to Fat Freddy's Cat)

  3. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to avid For This Post:

    Bob (22nd March 2018), Ewan (23rd March 2018), KiwiElf (30th August 2018), onawah (23rd March 2018), Pam (30th August 2018), ThePythonicCow (29th June 2018)

  4. Link to Post #43
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    Another new study published in Advances in Dentistry and Oral Health found that increasing fluoride exposure significantly affected thyroid function in children aged 8-14 years by impairing T3 activity. Fluoride exposure was also found to significantly decrease carbonic anhydrase (CA) activity in red blood cells,. The authors report that reduced CA leads to acidosis, contributes to a decrease in salivary pH which causes demineralization and hypoplasia leading to caries.

    https://juniperpublishers.com/adoh/p....ID.555721.pdf
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  5. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    avid (20th May 2018), Bob (24th March 2018), Ewan (24th March 2018), KiwiElf (30th August 2018), Pam (30th August 2018), ThePythonicCow (24th March 2018)

  6. Link to Post #44
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    Good news from Fluoride Action Network!
    Quote APRIL 30, 2018
    http://fluoridealert.org/content/bulletin_4-30-18/
    (The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine)
    Yes we have reached our goal of $75,000 in our TSCA lawsuit fundraiser* and we did it a month ahead of schedule thanks to supporters like you. See the thank you video from Paul and Michael. This will be matched by two fabulously generous pledges of $75,000 from an individual and a small non-profit. As of this morning our FAN total stands at $77,995 from 504 donors. We expect that this will increase as there are checks in the mail.
    On behalf of the FAN team, 500 thank yous!

    * The Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) authorizes the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to prohibit the “particular use” of a chemical that presents an unreasonable risk to the general public or susceptible subpopulations. TSCA gives EPA the authority to prohibit drinking water additives.
    The Fluoride Action Network together with Food & Water Watch, American Academy of Environmental Medicine, International Academy of Oral Medicine & Toxicology, Moms Against Fluoridation and others petitioned EPA to exercise its authority to prohibit the purposeful addition of fluoridation chemicals to U.S. water supplies. We made this request on the grounds that a large body of animal, cellular, and human research shows that fluoride is neurotoxic at doses within the range now seen in fluoridated communities.

    We have won the first two rounds in Federal Court. The first was the Dec 21, 2017, ruling to allow the case to go forward, thus ending EPA’s effort to dismiss the case. The second ruling on Feb 7, 2018, allows us to enter new studies into consideration, something that EPA argued against.
    See all FAN bulletins online
    http://fluoridealert.org/about/archi...fan-bulletins/
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  7. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    avid (20th May 2018), Bob (18th May 2018), Ewan (1st May 2018), KiwiElf (30th August 2018), Pam (30th August 2018), Satori (12th June 2018), ThePythonicCow (1st May 2018)

  8. Link to Post #45
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    Erin Brockovich's trusted drinking water expert, Bob Bowcock discussing fluoridation.
    Be The Change
    Published on Apr 10, 2018
    Quote Bob Bowcock traveled with Erin Brockovich to North Texas informing 500+ concerned residents experiencing adverse health symptoms and rashes (after a "routine" chlorine burn) about the water crisis growing all across this nation. This video compares conflicting statements made by North Texas Municipal Water District and the City of Frisco water leaders at a city council meeting with the explanations made by water expert Bob Bowcock.
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  9. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    avid (20th May 2018), Bob (18th May 2018), KiwiElf (30th August 2018), Pam (30th August 2018), ThePythonicCow (29th June 2018)

  10. Link to Post #46
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    Update on the Movement Against Water Fluoridation
    May 20, 2018
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a..._rid=310321349

    Quote Story at-a-glance
    Over the past 18 years, the Fluoride Action Network (FAN) has facilitated the removal of fluoride from the water supplies of hundreds of communities in North America, Canada and Europe
    FAN has filed an historic lawsuit against the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) under a provision in the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA)
    Under this TSCA statute, the judge may not defer to the EPA but must weigh the evidence brought forth in trial. If the judge finds there’s an unreasonable risk, he has the authority to order EPA to begin proceedings to eliminate the risk of fluoride in drinking water
    Earlier this year, EPA tried to limit the scope of what FAN could bring to the court’s attention. Its motion was denied, and FAN will be able to request internal documents, submit interrogatories to EPA and depose EPA experts

    By Dr. Mercola

    In this interview, Paul Connett, PhD, toxicologist, environmental chemist and the founder FAN, Fluoride Action Network (FAN), an organization that has fought to remove toxic fluoride from water supplies across the world, provides an important and exciting update on FAN's progress during this past year. FAN is an organization that has fought to remove toxic fluoride from the water supply across the world.

    Over the past 18 years, FAN has helped hundreds of communities around the US, Australia, Canada, England, Ireland, Israel and New Zealand fight the reckless and unethical practice of water fluoridation.

    Unprecedented Lawsuit Against EPA
    In November 2016, a coalition including FAN, Food & Water Watch, Organic Consumers Association, American Academy of Environmental Medicine, International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology, Moms Against Fluoridation and several individual mothers, filed a petition calling on the EPA to ban the deliberate addition of fluoridating chemicals to the drinking water under provisions in the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA).

    The petition included more than 2,500 pages of scientific documentation detailing the risks of water fluoridation to human health, including more than 180 studies published since 2006 showing fluoride causes neurotoxic harm and reduces IQ.

    "Under the TSCA, the EPA has authority to ban the uses of chemicals that present unreasonable risks to the general public or to susceptible subpopulations. We've brought this case on the grounds that adding fluoride chemicals to drinking water presents an unreasonable risk to the general public, especially to some susceptible subpopulations," Connett explains.

    In its February 27, 2017, response,1 the EPA claimed the petition had failed to "set forth a scientifically defensible basis to conclude that any persons have suffered neurotoxic harm as a result of exposure to fluoride." Fortunately, the TSCA statute provides citizens with the ability to challenge an EPA denial in federal court, which is where we are now.

    "Water fluoridation needs to end," Connett says. "The United States needs to follow the path of Europe and take fluoride out of the water supply. Those who want it can get it in toothpaste and dental products, which gives everyone the right to choose whether they want to use fluoride or not.

    We can apply fluoride in a targeted fashion to the one tissue of the body that stands to benefit — the teeth — and keep it away from everywhere else, particularly to the brain. The focus of our lawsuit is on fluoride's effects on the brain, for which there is a large and growing body of research."

    Federal Judge to Assess Fluoride Hazards
    The current White House administration has vigorously opposed federal regulatory actions and has already reversed many of the environmental safety precautions previously established. This raises serious questions with regard to fluoride, because even if the lawsuit against the EPA turns out to be successful, the Trump administration could easily do something to eliminate its impact. While this is certainly a risk, Connett explains the importance of this historic case.

    "One of the reasons we are excited about having this case now in federal court is that it takes this issue away from the federal health agencies, which have really been unable to get past the dogma on this issue.

    Here, we have a federal judge who's going to look at the evidence. What's powerful about this TSCA statute, is it commands that the judge not defer to the EPA. The judge can't simply say, 'It's good enough for the EPA, it's good enough for me.' The language in the statute says that it is to be a de novo proceeding, meaning without deference to the federal agency.

    Not only that, but we had a lengthy argument earlier this year where EPA tried to limit the scope of what we could bring to the court's attention. The judge denied that motion. We are going to be able to get discovery against the EPA. We're going to be able to request internal documents. We're going to be able to submit interrogatories to them and depose their experts.

    It's going to be a nice fact-finding mission for us, in addition to having an opportunity to have the best evidence presented by the best experts before this federal judge. If the judge agrees with us [and] finds that there's an unreasonable risk, he has the authority to order EPA to begin proceedings to eliminate the risk of fluoride in drinking water. That would be a truly historic and unprecedented situation. We really are excited about the potential that this case brings."

    Help Fund Legal Action to End Water Fluoridation
    The trial date has been set for August 2019. While Michael is recruiting experts to testify in this case FAN continues its campaign to educate the public of fluoridation's dangers, especially the threat it poses to the developing brain.

    In May FAN launched an urgent campaign to warn women to avoid fluoride during pregnancy in response to a major US government funded study which found a strong correlation between fluoride exposure during pregnancy and lowered IQ in offspring (Bashash et al, 2017 and Thomas et al, 2018).

    The government and the media should be issuing these warnings but they aren't. So FAN – a relatively small non-profit organization – has taken on this huge task itself. Please help fund this important campaign by making a tax-deductible donation to FAN.
    https://donatenow.networkforgood.org/1415005

    Legal Expectations
    FAN's contention in this case is that adding fluoride chemicals to drinking water presents an unreasonable health risk. If the court agrees, the judge would order EPA to initiate a rule-making proceeding to eliminate that risk. And, while the judge cannot tell the EPA exactly what to do, the most obvious solution that would eliminate this risk would be to no longer add fluoride to drinking water.

    Now, there are many powerful organizations that still support water fluoridation, including the American Dental Association (ADA), which supports not only fluoridation but also mercury fillings. The ADA has become quite notorious for ignoring the risks of toxic substances. With that in mind, Connett suspects that if FAN wins the case, there will be a rash of lobbying and pressure on the EPA to find a way to address the problem without actually banning fluoridation outright.

    "We can cross that bridge when we get to it, but the EPA potentially could consider lowering the fluoride levels even further," he says. "But I think, really, if the judge finds that there's unreasonable risk, the one real solution that fixes the problem is just banning fluoridation. That's what the United States should be doing …

    Western Europe demonstrates to us that this is possible. Countries like the Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland, they used to fluoridate some of their water supplies, but they decided to end the practice. Western Europe shows us that we can do it here as well.

    When you couple the new research linking low-level fluoride exposures to adverse effects on the brain with the fact that we now know you don't need to swallow fluoride for the one benefit it may provide, then it makes no sense to be forcing hundreds of millions of people to swallow this every day — not just through their water supply, but also through the foods and beverages that our water is used for."

    Water Fluoridation Gives False Appearance of Dental Care
    One of the reasons why it's so important to eliminate water fluoridation is because this chemical is very difficult to remove. You can remove some or a significant amount using distillation, reverse osmosis and special filtration media, but the vast majority of water filters that people have access to will not remove fluoride. So, you might filter your water, thinking you've purified it, but you haven't eliminated one of the most significant hazards.

    A primary target population for fluoridation is low-income communities, on the grounds that they have less access to dentists and are therefore in greater need of dental care. However, water fluoridation in no way, shape or form addresses this very real need. Adding fluoride chemicals to the drinking water is not dental care. As noted by Connett, "It's an illusion of dental care." What's worse, low-income populations are also more likely to suffer the ill effects of fluoride, as few can afford to buy expensive water filtration systems.

    "There's plenty of reason to believe that lower income populations will be more vulnerable to fluoride's toxicity, because we know that good nutrition and healthy diets are critical to making one less susceptible to fluoride's toxicity," Connett says. "Having inadequate levels of calcium, vitamin C, vitamin D, protein — those are things we know can cause you to be more susceptible to suffering harm from fluoride.

    We know that deficient nutrient intakes are more common in low-income populations, as well as certain diseases, like kidney disease and diabetes. Both of which make one more susceptible to fluoride toxicity, [yet] lower income populations are the very population targeted with fluoridation campaigns today. It's a very problematic situation."

    What's Motivating the Promoters of Fluoridation?
    Considering the evidence against fluoride, you might wonder what the motivation for the promoters might be. Just what incentives do the ADA and other industries have for continuing to promote it? One major factor is simply organizational and political inertia. Fluoride has been vigorously promoted as a health promoting tactic for decades. It's extremely difficult for those organizations to now change their tune and admit they were wrong this whole time, and have actually caused people harm.

    In the early days of water fluoridation, there were of course political and financial incentives. Chris Bryson's book, "The Fluoride Deception," reveals the role the war-making industries in the U.S. — the aluminum, steel and bomb industry in the '30s, '40s and '50s — and their role in funding fluoride research.

    "They had every interest in the world to not find fluoride to be harmful at low levels, because they were exposing workers and communities to fluoride pollution," Connett says. "They were the very people funding a lot of the key early research to explain how fluoride affects human health.

    I think you had a corruption of the science early on in this issue. But the question of 'Why do we fluoridate water?' Honestly, it's a hard question. It's a complex question. I think there are a lot of people who absolutely and genuinely believe it's a good thing."

    One of the most encouraging developments we're now seeing is the National Institutes of Health (NIH) funding much-needed studies looking at how fluoride affects the brain at low levels. The first NIH-funded paper was published last fall by a team of researchers from the University of Toronto, University of Michigan, Harvard and Indiana University. In the past, most of these kinds of safety studies were done by ardent pro-fluoridation advocates.

    "There was a pretty vigorous suppression of scientific dissent in the early days of fluoridation. Today, we're seeing the emergence of independent researchers who now have the means to study this issue. We're starting to see the emergence of a more vigorous academic debate. I think that's a really important development … that will help us get out of the politics," Connett says.

    How Fluoride Affects Your Brain and Thyroid
    As noted by Connett, there are more than 50 human population studies that have linked elevated fluoride levels with neurological effects, particularly lower IQ. More than 200 animal studies also support this link, showing fluoride has adverse effects on the brain, including detrimental effects on learning and memory. The evidence quite clearly shows that fluoride is a neurotoxin. The evidence also shows fluoride is an endocrine disruptor.

    The question is at what doses do such effects occur, and how do these doses vary based on individual susceptibility? According to Connett, the evidence suggests brain effects occur at doses that are very close to what many Americans are getting on a daily basis.

    More than 20 papers have found effects of fluoride exposure on IQ at around 2 parts per million (ppm), and in the U.S., the recommended fluoride level in water is 0.7 ppm. "It's within the factor of 3. That's a pretty small margin," Connett notes, because you're also getting it from other foods and beverages, plus fluoridated toothpaste.

    Fluoride also affects your thyroid gland. In fact, in the '50s and '60s, fluoride was used as a drug to lower thyroid activity in patients with overactive thyroid.

    By adding fluoride to water, it may be lowering thyroid function in people with normal or underactive thyroid, leading to hypothyroidism or subclinical hypothyroidism, which carries a range of significant health effects, including obesity, heart disease and depression. We also know that suboptimal thyroid functioning during pregnancy can affect a child's cognitive development, so this may actually be one of the mechanisms by which fluoride affects the brain.

    Fluoride Also Harms Your Teeth and Bones
    Systemic fluoride also damages teeth, causing staining and pitting of the enamel known as dental fluorosis. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 58 percent of American adolescents now have some form of dental fluorosis.

    "Tens of millions of kids now have dental fluorosis, which is a visible sign of overexposure," Connett says. "Which begs the question, 'If fluoride is affecting the tooth-forming cells and causing this visible effect, what is it doing to the tissues in the body that we can't see?' [The high rate of fluorosis today] highlights that we're getting way more fluoride than was ever envisioned by the proponents of fluoridation back in the '40s and '50s.

    When they started fluoridation back in the 1940s and '50s, the proponents of the policy … stated that they wanted to keep the level of dental fluorosis in the population to no more than 10 to 15 percent of children, and only in its mildest forms. Beyond that [it] would be a public health issue, they said. Fast-forward 70 years to where we are today, and you have 58 percent of American adolescents … with dental fluorosis.

    We are far past the level that the proponents — not the opponents — considered permissible and acceptable when the policy began.

    We really need to take a step back and look at this and say, 'Is there any need whatsoever to be supplementing every person's daily intake of fluoride by adding it en masse to water supplies and, with it, all our processed foods and beverages?' There's simply no need, because it's so easy to get fluoride. If you want it, you just … buy toothpaste with fluoride in it."

    As for your bones, fluoride has somewhat paradoxical effects. While it tends to increase the density of trabecular bone in the spine, it decreases the bone density in cortical bone, which is more prevalent in the appendicular skeleton such as leg and arm bones, as well as the hip.

    And, while the density might be increased in certain types of bone, the new bone structure is structurally inferior bone that is more prone to fracture. "I think U.S. health authorities were premature to dismiss concerns about fluoride's effects on the bone. I think that remains a substantial concern with the current exposures," Connett says.

    On May 20 to 27, we launch Fluoride Awareness Week. We set aside an entire week dedicated to ending the practice of fluoridation. There's no doubt about it: Fluoride should not be ingested. Even scientists from the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) National Health and Environmental Effects Research Laboratory have classified fluoride as a "chemical having substantial evidence of developmental neurotoxicity.”

    Furthermore, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 41 percent of American adolescents now have dental fluorosis — unattractive discoloration and mottling of the teeth that indicate overexposure to fluoride. Clearly, children are being overexposed, and their health and development put in jeopardy. Why?

    The only real solution is to stop the archaic practice of water fluoridation in the first place. Fortunately, the Fluoride Action Network (FAN) has a game plan to END water fluoridation worldwide. Clean pure water is a prerequisite to optimal health. Industrial chemicals, drugs and other toxic additives really have no place in our water supplies. So, please, protect your drinking water and support the fluoride-free movement by making a tax-deductible donation to the Fluoride Action Network today.

    Internet Resources Where You Can Learn More
    I encourage you to visit the website of the FAN and visit the links below:

    Like FAN on Facebook, follow on Twitter and sign up for campaign alerts.
    10 Facts About Fluoride: Attorney Michael Connett summarizes 10 basic facts about fluoride that should be considered in any discussion about whether to fluoridate water. Also see 10 Facts Handout (PDF).
    For more history, science and details about the betrayal of the public trust involved with the promotion of fluoridation, order the book “The Case Against Fluoride” authored by Paul Connett, James Beck and H. Spedding Micklem.
    50 Reasons to Oppose Fluoridation: Learn why fluoridation is a bad medical practice that is unnecessary and ineffective. Download PDF.
    Health Effects Database: FAN's database sets forth the scientific basis for concerns regarding the safety and effectiveness of ingesting fluorides. They also have a Study Tracker with the most up-to-date and comprehensive source for studies on fluoride's effects on human health.
    FDA/Fluoride Files: The documents in this section show the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has never approved fluoride supplements as safe and effective.
    Together, Let's Help FAN Get to the Finish Line
    This is the week we can get FAN the funding it deserves. I have found very few NGOs as effective and efficient as FAN. Its team has led the charge to end fluoridation and will continue to do so with our help!

    So, I am stepping up the challenge. We are turning the tide against fluoride, but the fight is not over. I’m proud to play my part in this crucial battle. For the eighth year in a row, a portion of sales from purchases made on the Mercola online store, up to $25,000, will be donated to Fluoride Action Network. Please make a donation today to help FAN end the absurdity of fluoridation.
    https://donatenow.networkforgood.org/1415005
    Last edited by onawah; 20th May 2018 at 17:11.
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  11. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    avid (21st May 2018), KiwiElf (30th August 2018), Pam (30th August 2018), Satori (12th June 2018)

  12. Link to Post #47
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    Fluorides, the atomic bomb, and fake news
    6/11/18
    by Jon Rappoport
    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2...omb-fake-news/
    Quote
    Faced with toxic fluorides destroying food crops, animal and human life, and with law suits piling up, atomic scientists decided they could distract the nation by promoting fluorides as a beneficial tooth treatment…

    Occasionally, I reprint this article. I wrote it some years ago, during research on toxic chemicals pervading the landscape. I used to send the piece to mainstream reporters, but I eventually gave that up as a bad bet.

    They’re dedicated to fake news…and now they’re losing control over public consciousness. Losing badly. Independent media are in the ascendance, and rightly so.

    In 1997, Joel Griffiths and Chris Bryson, two respected mainstream journalists, peered into an abyss. They found a story about fluorides that was so chilling it had to be told.

    The Christian Science Monitor, who had assigned the story, never published it.

    Their ensuing article, “Fluoride, Teeth, and the Atomic Bomb,” has been posted on a number of websites.

    Author Griffiths told me that researchers who study the effects of fluorides by homing in on communities with fluoridated drinking water, versus communities with unfluoridated water, miss a major point: studying the water is not enough; toxic fluorides are everywhere—they are used throughout the pharmaceutical industry in the manufacture of drugs, and also in many other industries (e.g., aluminum, pesticide).

    I want to go over some of the major points of the Griffiths-Bryson article.

    Griffiths discovered hundreds of documents from the World War 2 era. These included papers from the Manhattan Project, launched to build the first A-bomb.

    Griffiths/Bryson write: “Fluoride was the key chemical in atomic bomb production…millions of tons…were essential for the manufacture of bomb-grade uranium and plutonium for nuclear weapons throughout the Cold War.”

    The documents reveal that fluoride was the most significant health hazard in the US A-bomb program, for workers and for communities around the manufacturing facilities.

    Griffiths/Bryson: “Much of the original proof that fluoride is safe for humans in low doses was generated by A-bomb program scientists, who had been secretly ordered to provide ‘evidence useful in litigation’ [against persons who had been poisoned by fluoride and would sue for damages]… The first lawsuits against the US A-bomb program were not over radiation, but over fluoride damage, the [government] documents show.”

    A-bomb scientists were told they had to do studies which would conclude that fluorides were safe.

    The most wide-reaching study done was carried out in Newburgh, New York, between 1945 and 1956. This was a secret op called “Program F.” The researchers obtained blood and tissue samples from people who lived in Newburgh, through the good offices of the NY State Health Department.

    Griffiths/Bryson found the original and secret version of this study. Comparing it to a different sanitized version, the reporters saw that evidence of adverse effects from fluorides had been suppressed by the US Atomic Energy Commission.

    Other studies during the same period were conducted at the University of Rochester. Unwitting hospital patients were given fluorides to test out the results.

    Flash forward. Enter Dr. Phyllis Mullenix (see also here), the head of toxicology at Forsyth Dental Center in Boston. In the 1990s, Mullenix did a series of animal studies which showed that, as Griffiths/Bryson write: “…fluoride was a powerful central nervous system (CNS) toxin…”

    Mullenix applied for further grant monies from the National Institutes of Health. She was turned down. She was also told that fluorides do not have an effect on the CNS.

    But Griffiths/Bryson uncovered a 1944 Manhattan Project memo which states: “Clinical evidence suggests that uranium hexafluoride may have a rather marked central nervous system effect…it seems most likely that the F [fluoride] component rather than the [uranium] is the causative factor.”

    The 1944 memo was sent to the head of the Manhattan Project Medical Section, Colonel Stafford Warren. Warren was asked to give his okay to do animal studies on fluorides’ effects on the CNS. He immediately did give his approval.

    But records of the results of this approved project are missing. Most likely classified.

    Who was the man who made that 1944 proposal for a rush-program to study the CNS effects of fluorides? Dr. Harold Hodge, who worked at the Manhattan Project.

    Who was brought in to advise Mullenix 50 years later at the Forsyth Dental Center in Boston, as she studied the CNS effects of fluorides? Dr. Harold Hodge.

    Who never told Mullenix of his work on fluoride toxicity for the Manhattan Project? Dr. Harold Hodge.

    Was Hodge brought in to look over Mullenix’s shoulder and report on her discoveries? It turns out that Hodge, back in the 1940s, had made suggestions to do effective PR promoting fluoride as a dental treatment. So his presence by Mullenix’s side, all those years later, was quite possibly as an agent assigned to keep track of her efforts.

    Getting the idea here? Build an A-bomb. Forget the toxic fluoride consequences. Bury the fluoride studies. Twist the studies.

    More on Hodge. In 1944, “a severe pollution incident” occurred in New Jersey, near the Du Pont plant in Deepwater where the company was trying to build the first A-bomb. A fluoride incident. Farmers’ peach and tomato crops were destroyed. Horses and cows became crippled. Some cows had to graze on their bellies. Tomato crops (normally sold to the Campbell Company for soups) were contaminated with fluorides.

    The people of the Manhattan Project were terrified of lawsuits and ensuing revelations about the toxic nature of their work. A heads-up memo was written on the subject. Its author? Harold Hodge. Among other issues, he reported on the huge fluoride content in vegetables growing in the polluted area.

    Also the high fluoride levels in human blood.

    The farmers began to bring lawsuits. Big PR problem.

    The lawsuits were settled quietly, for pittances.

    Harold Hodge wrote another memo. Get this quote: “Would there be any use in making attempts to counteract the local fear of fluoride on the part of residents [near the A-bomb facility]…through lectures on F [fluoride] toxicology and perhaps the usefulness of F in tooth health?”

    Griffiths/Bryson write: “Such lectures were indeed given, not only to New Jersey citizens but to the rest of the nation throughout the Cold War.”

    This was a launching pad for fluorides as “successful dental treatments.”

    Now you know why promoting toxic fluorides as a dental treatment was so important to government officials.

    Footnote: In Stanley Kubrick’s 1964 film, Dr. Strangelove, Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper rails about the destruction fluorides are wreaking on the “pure blood of pure Americans.” Of course, General Ripper is fleshed out as a crazy right-wing fanatic. He’s ready and willing to start a nuclear war. How odd. Apparently unknown to the Strangelove script writers, fluorides were, in fact, very toxic and were an integral part of the program that created atomic bombs in the first place…
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  13. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    East Sun (20th June 2018), KiwiElf (30th August 2018), Pam (30th August 2018), Satori (12th June 2018), ThePythonicCow (12th June 2018)

  14. Link to Post #48
    Indonesia Avalon Member
    Join Date
    4th June 2018
    Age
    46
    Posts
    307
    Thanks
    701
    Thanked 1,616 times in 274 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    I'm curious to know where the rich get their dental work done flouride-free? Maybe your good friend knows, but won't let you in on it?

  15. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to spade For This Post:

    KiwiElf (30th August 2018), Pam (30th August 2018)

  16. Link to Post #49
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    There are dentists who advertise as being alternatively oriented, and can be found by googling for them in your area. They are few and far between, however. Here's one site in the US: http://holisticdental.org/
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  17. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    East Sun (20th June 2018), KiwiElf (30th August 2018), Pam (30th August 2018), spade (25th June 2018)

  18. Link to Post #50
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    NEW YORK TIMES “DROPS A CLANGER”
    Fluoride Action Network | Bulletin | June 20, 2018
    http://fluoridealert.org/content/bulletin_6-20-18/
    (Too many hyperlinks in this article to embed.)

    Quote In a recent article the New York Times (NYT) made a very embarrassing mistake. Specifically, it cited a videotape that repeated a serious mistake on the toxicity of fluoride that was corrected 6 years ago.

    The mistake made in the video was the claim that an important meta-analysis of 27 IQ studies carried out by a team from Harvard University (Choi et al., 2012) – comparing the IQ between children from villages with high fluoride exposure and villages with low-exposure- reported an average loss of 0.45 of an IQ point. In reality, the Harvard researchers reported a loss of 0.45 of one standard deviation, which amounted to a loss of 7 IQ points. A huge difference. A loss of half an IQ point might be insignificant, but a loss of 7 IQ points would be very serious at the population level. Such a loss would more than halve the number of very bright children (IQ greater than 130) and increase by at least 50% the number of mentally handicapped (IQ less than 70).

    Under any other circumstances this would be a very embarrassing mistake but on the matter of fluoridation the NYT is not embarrassed easily. For example, in 2015 the senior science editor wrote an email in connection with fluoridation:

    “… I understand that you disagree, but I think it’s fair to say
    that most members of the science staff of The New York Times
    consider this debate to have been decided – in fluoride’s favor –
    about 50 years ago.”

    Donald McNeil Jr., Science Correspondent, New York Times
    April 2, 2015 email. Subject: READERS MAIL
    See copy of email at 4:35 minutes into Our Daily Dose

    It is quite possible that Donald McNeil’s pro-fluoridation position here has something to do with the fact that his father wrote a history of water fluoridation that was decidedly pro-fluoridation (The Fight for Fluoridation, Donald McNeil, Oxford University Press, 1957). Be that as it may, McNeil should know that such a statement is preposterous. Science is never “settled.” This situation is what Thomas Huxley described as the “great tragedy of science – the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact.”

    In the case of water fluoridation there are dozens of ugly facts that slay the hypothesis and the much repeated mantra that “fluoridation is safe and effective.” These include 53 studies that associate a lowering of IQ with exposure to fluoride (http://fluoridealert.org/studies/brain01/). From the fluoridation promoters’ perspective, the “ugliest” of these “facts” came last year in the form of a rigorous US government-funded study that found an association between fluoride exposure in pregnant women and lowered IQ in their children at 4 and 6-12 years of age (Bashash et al., 2017).

    New York Times continues to ignore recent IQ studies
    The worrying thing here is not so much this recent “clanger” from the NYT but rather the fact that the editors of this paper made a decision that these important findings from 2017 (and repeated in 2018 by Thomas et al.) were not “fit to be published.”

    This, despite the fact that this multi-million-dollar research effort was carried out over 12 years, and involved researchers from many leading US, Canadian and Mexican institutions and Universities, with over 50 published papers on other neurotoxic chemicals between them, and that it was published in the world’s leading environmental health journal (Environmental Health Perspectives).

    Failure of the New York Times means that pregnant women are not being warned to avoid fluoride
    FAN is doing its best to warn people about these important findings but sadly, without the attention of important outlets like the NYT, pregnant women in the US and other fluoridated countries will not be adequately warned that they should avoid fluoride during pregnancy.

    FAN writes letter on June 3rd to the New York Times requesting correction
    Letter to the Editor:

    A recent NY Times article (5/28/2018) linked to an outdated video, which made a serious mistake about fluoride science, should be corrected.

    The speaker in the video claims a Harvard University meta-analysis of 27 fluoride/IQ studies reported an average difference of 0.45 IQ points. In reality, the Harvard researchers reported a loss of 0.45 of one standard deviation, which amounts to a loss of 7 IQ points. A huge difference.

    A loss of 7 IQ points would more than halve the number of very bright children (IQ greater than 130) and increase by at least 50% the number of mentally handicapped (IQ less than 70).

    We are also disappointed that the Times failed to report recent findings of a rigorous US-government funded study conducted by a team of highly experienced researchers (Bashash, 2017 and Thomas, 2018) that essentially confirmed the Harvard review’s concerns. In this latest study, a loss of 6 IQ points in children was associated with exposure to women during pregnancy of levels of fluoride commonly experienced by adults in artificially fluoridated communities.

    Without the attention to such important science, by such news outlets as the NY Times, pregnant women in the USA will not be adequately warned that they should avoid fluoride during pregnancy.

    Paul Connett, PhD

    FAN has also written a letter to the video host
    Dear Dr. Carroll,

    In 2014, you made a YouTube video entitled “Fluoride in the Water Isn’t Going to Hurt You.”

    In the video, you stated that a Harvard meta-analysis found that higher fluoride levels in 27 studies, on average, lowered the IQ’s of children by about one half an IQ point. Actually, the study said that it was about half a standard deviation, equating to about seven IQ points (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/fe...randjean-choi/). This was a major error, leading to anyone watching your video to underestimate how serious fluoride in water can be. Since that study, many others have found that fluoride may lower IQ’s, including last year’s major NIH-funded study led by the University of Toronto (https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/ehp655/) (and including at least one researcher from your own Indiana University) that linked higher fluoride levels in pregnant women to lower IQ’s in their children.

    Recently, the New York Times ran an article linking to your video, further compounding this misunderstanding.

    I have a simple request. Would you please, in the very near future, either correct your YouTube video or, if that’s not possible, remove it entirely from the internet as soon as possible? Please let me know.

    Meanwhile, would you also inform the NY Times – who relied on your video – of this error.

    Thank you,

    Paul Connett, PhD

    Executive Director, Fluoride Action Network

    We have received no reply and no correction from either the New York Times or Carroll. Thus, the lie (fluoridation is safe) persists and other than FAN no one is warning pregnant women to avoid fluoride.

    Sincerely,

    Paul Connett, PhD
    Executive Director
    Fluoride Action Network

    See all FAN bulletins online

    Print Friendly Version of this pagePrint Get a PDF version of this webpagePDF
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  19. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    East Sun (20th June 2018), KiwiElf (30th August 2018), Pam (30th August 2018), ThePythonicCow (20th June 2018)

  20. Link to Post #51
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    NZ Fluoride Feud: Paul Connett’s Presentation to the New Zealand Parliament
    fluoridealert
    Published on Jun 20, 2018
    Paul Connett, Executive Director of the Fluoride Action Network, gives a detailed presentation on the potential harmful effects of water fluoridation on residents of New Zealand.
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  21. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    KiwiElf (30th August 2018), Pam (30th August 2018)

  22. Link to Post #52
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    This email update today from FAN regarding the info posted just above (about the recent anti-fluoridation victory in New Zealand, which also has global implications) hasn't been posted yet on their website at http://fluoridealert.org/about/archi...fan-bulletins/ --that sometimes takes a day or two, so I am just copying the email message as follows:
    JUNE 29, 2018
    "Some of our readers were puzzled yesterday by FAN NZ broadcasting the Supreme Court verdict on fluoridation as a victory rather than a defeat. After all the Supreme court ruled against the plaintiffs (New Health New Zealand) in their efforts to prevent South Taranaki from fluoridating its water.

    Let me explain, in my view, this is a classic case of losing a battle but winning the war.

    In this case, the war is over the ethics of fluoridation. For opponents of fluoridation, this practice violates the individual's right to medical or human treatment. For proponents the counter-argument has been that fluoride is not a medicine and fluoridation is not a medical treatment. Proponents further argue that even if fluoride was a medicine people are not forced to drink the fluoridated water.

    In the following two paragraphs (99 and 100) in the Supreme court ruling it is clear that the judges side with opponents on this matter and this finding will have huge ramifications worldwide. In other words it is a huge victory for us. Meanwhile, proponents will celebrate their local victory.

    Applying this approach, we find that fluoridation of drinking water is the provision of medical treatment. It involves the provision of a pharmacologically active substance for the purpose of treating those who ingest it for dental decay. We agree with the Courts below that people who live or work in areas where fluoridation occurs have no practical option but to ingest the fluoride added to the water. So

    the treatment is compulsory. While drinking water from a tap is not an activity that would normally be classified as undergoing medical treatment, we do not consider that ingesting fluoride added to water can be said to be qualitatively different from ingesting a fluoride tablet provided by a health practitioner.

    We conclude that fluoridation of drinking water requires those drinking the water to undergo medical treatment in circumstances where they are unable to refuse to do so. Subject to s5, therefore, s11 of the Bill of Rights Act is engaged.

    To see how that local victory was won you will have to read the paragraphs 101 - 144 in the ruling. But basically, they argue that the individual right to informed consent to medication (section 11 of the NZ Bill or Rights) may in certain circumstances be over-ridden by the interests of the larger community (see section 5). However, the judges somewhat undermined these arguments by earlier acknowledging in paragraph 10 that the benefits of fluoridation are largely topical, and as such allowing individuals the right to informed consent in this case would not deprive the rest of society of fluoride's perceived benefits since there is universal access to fluoridated toothpaste.

    Another important point is that when the issue was being heard the US-government funded study by Bashash et al., 2017 had not been published. Had the judges known about this important and rigorous study, it is questionable whether they would they have felt it was in the interests of the larger community to support a practice which would lower the IQ of its children?

    Meanwhile, below are more details and arguments from FAN –NZ.

    Paul Connett, PhD
    Executive Director
    Fluoride Action Network

    Most of you will have heard that the Supreme Court made a Ruling on the Appeal by New Health New Zealand. This Appeal resulted in two judgments. The second one (NSC60) held that whether or not fluoridation chemicals should come under the regulations of the Medicines Act was moot, as Medsafe had been given an exemption for fluoridation chemicals if they are added to the drinking water.

    The first one (NSC59) dealt with whether or not councils had a legal right to add fluoridation chemicals to the drinking water. Chief Justice Sian Elias said they didn't, but the other four judges thought they did. However, the important point for us is that all judges, except Judge William Young, ruled that fluoridation was a medical treatment, and that if a person lives or works in a fluoridated area it is compulsory medication and therefore it breached Section 11 of the Bill of Rights Act. Section 11 - "Everyone has the right to refuse to undergo medical treatment".

    So why does this not make fluoridation illegal? The judges then went on to look at Section 5 which is about "Justified limitations" and says "Subject to section 4, the rights and freedoms contained in this Bill of Rights may be subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society." Section 4 is about "Other Enactments" which says that other laws override the Bill of Rights. But two of the judges argued that fluoridation was justified under Section 5. They say they are not able to weigh up the benefits and risks, so they rely on the Ministry of Health and the World Health Organization, who say there are benefits and no risks. One judge ruled that this was a balancing that each decision maker had to make at the time, potentially taking local circumstances into account. But all three agreed the balancing question needed to be addressed.

    So we are back to everyone, including the highest court of the land, allowing fluoridation because the Ministry of Health and the World Health Organization say it's okay. This is in spite of the fact that most of the world does not practice fluoridation - even though the WHO says it is good - and the decision makers in the Ministry of Health are a handful of people who have been promoting fluoridation most of their professional careers, so are unlikely to change their mind.

    Where does that leave us? The fact that the Supreme Court has ruled that fluoridation is compulsory medical treatment means the proponents can never again spin the PR line that they are "just topping up the natural levels". Hallelujah! Thank you New Health New Zealand for initiating this great leap forward. It also leaves us where we were before, in that we need hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders to understand this issue - so the few policy advisors within the Ministry of Health can no longer wield such great power so irresponsibly."
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  23. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    KiwiElf (29th June 2018), Michelle Marie (30th June 2018), Pam (30th August 2018), ThePythonicCow (29th June 2018)

  24. Link to Post #53
    Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    23rd June 2013
    Location
    North America
    Age
    72
    Posts
    6,884
    Thanks
    12,723
    Thanked 29,293 times in 6,140 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    presumed "guilty" instead of presumed "innocent" argument it seems to me..

    'we will treat you' with you having no recourse' with a drug (en masse) to prevent what 'we' perceive is a disease that you will develop without the 'medicine' (drug)..

    I suppose along that argument, look at a box of cereal, or a loaf of bread or a container of milk - "Fortified" with the following "drugs" (substances that alter the body by their ingestion) - the list is massive..

    Fluoride is an overt poison, the fluorine molecule is used to make some most deadly nerve agents..

    If the argument is "dental caries" is a disease that can be prevented, giving a nerve toxin is not a solution.. There is a simple strain of bacteria (like a certain probiotic) which naturally fights dental caries bacteria, but that would cut back on a certain medical community's income.. Hypocrisy or really control and crippling folks with fluorine..

    If the argument is stop tooth decay, here is your choice (should you wish), a simple application once a month of a probiotic will stop tooth decay from the dental caries bacteria.. That would be honest and showing sincere care... so I would think.

  25. Link to Post #54
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    As yet, unfortunately, the fight isn't about stopping tooth decay, it's about lining the coffers of the controllers and reducing the population by any means possible however nefarious, but when the battle is won, probiotics should finally be recognized as one of our best allies in health.
    Quote Posted by Bob (here)

    If the argument is stop tooth decay, here is your choice (should you wish), a simple application once a month of a probiotic will stop tooth decay from the dental caries bacteria.. That would be honest and showing sincere care... so I would think.
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  26. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    Bob (29th June 2018), KiwiElf (29th June 2018), Pam (30th August 2018)

  27. Link to Post #55
    Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    23rd June 2013
    Location
    North America
    Age
    72
    Posts
    6,884
    Thanks
    12,723
    Thanked 29,293 times in 6,140 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    As yet, unfortunately, the fight isn't about stopping tooth decay, it's about lining the coffers of the controllers and reducing the population by any means possible however nefarious, but when the battle is won, probiotics should finally be recognized as one of our best allies in health.
    Quote Posted by Bob (here)

    If the argument is stop tooth decay, here is your choice (should you wish), a simple application once a month of a probiotic will stop tooth decay from the dental caries bacteria.. That would be honest and showing sincere care... so I would think.
    Population control, creating sickness via fluorine - ugh.. i suppose one could track back to BAYER being one of the leading population control groups across the board.. Oh wait, didn't they just buy Monsanto?

  28. Link to Post #56
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    New Study Links Fluoride to Anemia
    "This study highlighted that the consumption of fluoride may adversely affect adolescent girls and boys considering their baseline and post-intervention hemoglobin levels and BMI. Withdrawal of fluoride from consumption possibly corrected the damage caused to the gastrointenstinal mucosa/loss of microvilli, which led to the absorption of nutrients leading to rise in hemoglobin and correction of anemia."

    http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/115/04/0692.pdf
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  29. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    KiwiElf (30th August 2018), Spellbound (30th August 2018)

  30. Link to Post #57
    United States Avalon Member onawah's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2010
    Language
    English
    Posts
    22,261
    Thanks
    47,755
    Thanked 116,546 times in 20,693 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    Yet another new study showing the damages caused by fluoride:
    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300704043.html

    "NEW YORK, Aug. 29, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- Studies linking fluoride to lower IQ, ADHD, thyroid dysfunction and depression are presented at the 2018 joint annual meeting of the ISES-ISEE (International Society of Exposure Science and the International Society for Environmental Epidemiology) in Ottawa, Canada (August 26-30), reports New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc. (NYSCOF)

    For example:

    Green, et al. report an increase of 1 milligram per liter of maternal urinary fluoride during prenatal development was associated with a decrease of Full Scale IQ by 4.5 points in young boys.

    Bashash et al. reports "Higher levels of prenatal fluoride exposure were associated with higher symptoms of ADHD…in the offspring at age 6-12 years."

    Hu et al. report "prenatal fluoride exposure, in the range of exposures reported for other general population samples of pregnant women and non-pregnant adults, was associated with lower scores on tests of cognitive function in the offspring at age 4 and 6-12 years."

    Malin et al: reports "Adults living in Canada who have moderate-to-severe iodine deficiencies and higher levels of urinary fluoride may be at an increased risk for underactive thyroid gland activity."

    Alvarez et al. "…exposure to fluoride during development can yield to a depressive-like behavior in rats, suggesting that high intake of fluoride must be prevented to avoid harmful effects at adulthood."

    These studies add to the growing mountain of scientific evidence showing fluoride's adverse health effects, especially to the brain.

    This evidence is downplayed or ignored by fluoridation promoters, according to Gesser-Edelsburg and Shir-Raz (Journal of Risk Research 2018) who report that 3 major expert committees (York, NRC, SCHER) found only poor quality fluoridation evidence proving "there is uncertainty surrounding both the safety and efficacy of fluoridation."

    Attorney Paul Beeber says, "For example, the American Fluoridation Society claims that fluoridation "is completely safe" but uses political maneuvers, T-shirts, misinformation and ad hominem attacks to intimidate legislators to retain fluoridation e.g. Potsdam, NY."

    Gesser-Edelsburg and Shir-Raz reveal that fluoridation policy-makers do what they accuse others of - share partial biased information in terms that misrepresent the actual situation.

    Beeber says, 'Kudos to Walden NY legislators who saw through the aggressive PR campaign to unanimously vote out fluoridation, May 2018. They paved the way for other NYS communities to navigate NYS's new convoluted and unreasonable fluoridation law passed without citizen involvement.'"

    Contact: Paul Beeber, JD 516-433-8882 nyscof@aol.com

    http://FluorideAction.Net

    SOURCE NYS Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc.
    Each breath a gift...
    _____________

  31. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to onawah For This Post:

    avid (30th August 2018), KiwiElf (30th August 2018), Pam (30th August 2018)

  32. Link to Post #58
    New Zealand Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    1st September 2011
    Posts
    5,984
    Thanks
    34,888
    Thanked 38,520 times in 5,690 posts

    Default Re: A thread about fluoridation

    There is absolutely nothing about flouride, that is good for your teeth (or anything else!)

    Next time you visit your dentist, challenge them about it & watch their reactions - even better, demand they prove it!
    Last edited by KiwiElf; 30th August 2018 at 08:32.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 1 3

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts