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    Default Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    Interview starts aprox 37 mins.........I have not heard from the 'mole' for a while
    and when I found this interview I thought , I would annoy myself by listening to his
    usual waffling about nothing and he did not disappoint. He actually starts off by
    commenting about having his 'MOD hat on'....LOL

    Why this bugs me, is the access he was given from the start to the media and
    admits he could not say anything secret because of his security oath which he is
    still bound by.

    The only positive thing is that it has put the fact there was UFO desk , which Nick
    says has closed but that's only the PR dept , not the actual interest in UFO's.

    Jimmy you fell in the trap by asking about his other case the RAF Cosford incident.
    All jimmy got was another Nick 'waffle' . He has talked about it on camera
    and in presentations before and its his 'secondry' validation case when he
    first came out if the MOD filing cabinet.....

    I can remember this being on the local news in 1993 as it flew over Somerset...








    He said he was in charge in security and when he signed off he had a reminder
    that his security oath lasts for life . Nick has said this before he cannot divulge
    any classified information as he would be arrested. He even says people think
    he is working for the MOD and when as he says when he was on the BBC he
    is an official spokesman for the MOD by definition of his security oath.




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    This U/tube added later to thread...

    Ep. 215 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Nick Pope MOD UFO LIVE on air


    Published on 15 Mar 2015
    Nick Pope joins us again and we cover his time with the UK MOD...how he got the
    job, how he left...we discuss the recent developements with John Burroughs and
    the VA...this is one of the best interviews Nick has done, ever. We discuss the
    secrecy of the MOD, what he can and cannot talk about and we definitely take
    things to the very edge.

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    interview on link...

    http://www.spreaker.com/user/fade2bl...ck-w-nick-pope


    http://www.nickpope.net/

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    To gain some credibility on the UFO circuit , thus giving him the access to
    get on to most UFO mainstream news programmes and the many documentaries
    he has appeared on . He needed a signature case, which is the Rendlesham Forrest
    incident that was in the public domain well before he came on the scene.Other than
    that I have not heard him comment on many other cases he must of come across.
    He says in the above interview that he did not believe in the Ancient Alien theory,
    and subjects like 9/11 or any other related alternate articles , he tows the
    mainstream political line and is as he has said himself he is a sceptic on most
    parts of the alternate field.

    He does not agree with Edward Snowden and whistleblowers in general !!!!


    So as in the piece below he has to defend Col Holts position about the Light house..

    UFOs Declassified: The Lighthouse (RENDLESHAM)



    Published on 6 Jan 2015


    Check out a sneak peak of Episode One of UFOs Declassified.

    The Rendlesham Forest incident remains one of the most fascinating and
    controversial UFO stories on record. The personnel of RAF Bentwaters claim to have
    seen fantastic objects in the skies, but were they mistaken and instead only
    viewing a lighthouse from afar?


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    UFO - Nick Pope Ultimate 9/11 Expert? 1of2 - Anthony J Hilder



    Uploaded on 9 Nov 2010


    Mr Pope, Former High Functionary in The British Ministry of Defense shares
    his "insider Knowledge and keen view" on the much disguised 9.11 world trade
    center atrocity. In this interview with filmmaker Anthony J. Hilder, Mr Pope Proves
    conclusively that the conspiracy throes claiming "it was an inside job" are either
    completely irrelevant or unfounded. Must see video!!


    I have a MOD pension to protect......





    I'm here to muddy the waters.......



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    When he first took up his new career , he was a little bit more enthusiastic ..



    Uploaded on 16 Oct 2009


    Nick Pope is a British government official who has worked at the Ministry of Defence
    since joining in 1985. He had many different postings and had undertaken a series
    of jobs within the Department, including work in the Joint Operations Centre during
    the Gulf War, where he was a briefer in the Air Force Operations Room.
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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    This bloke is a smarmy git . But he says he had
    media training and learnt how to spin answers
    which is basically what he is a 'plant , dis info
    agent to control some of the mainstream news
    slots if and when the UFO subject comes up.
    He says he would spin and not tell the truth
    if asked questions about classified subjects.

    Aprox 79 mins into interview they touch on
    this , where Nick says he is more a less an
    official spokesman for the MOD.










    When Jimmy asks if the Royal family knows about UFO ? Nick says
    he cannot comment . Jimmy then asks jokingly is the Queen a reptile
    Nick says certainly not .

    As I said earlier and Nick himself says he is a sceptic on most aspects
    of the alternate field and Jimmy asks again as he has appeared on
    Ancient Aliens many times why did he go on there. Nick say to be
    the sceptic I suppose. Then Jimmy asks if he knows or looks at David
    Ickes work. Nick says no and does not have time for his views
    ( parapraced )

    That would be a great discussion between David Icke and Nick Pope...LOL

    Nick says he has a thick skin and worked in security as part of his MOD
    career and does not worry what people think or say about him. Nick
    is definitely more than he says he is !!!

    Nick say they were the Men in Black , they down played sightings and wore
    dark suits, it was in answer to a question and partly tongue in cheek, but
    you never know with agent Nick....

    At the end he lists some UFO programmes and conferences he is attending.

    Fair play to him if he can get away with it......LOL

    Jimmy Says it was one of the best interviews he has done , I
    think you may be hallucinating Jimmy. Though you could say
    it really exposed Nick for what he really is a intelligence agent.
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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    He is part of the disclosure elite ....LOL

    After hearing the interview with Jimmy , you know
    as Nick said all the way thru , he can only discuss
    material already declassified . So if he found out
    anything classified about the Rendlesham case he
    would not add it to what is already known,

    It sounds to me he is undercover to report back
    to his superiors in the MOD if anything surfaces
    and generally acts as a 'spy' in the disclosure
    project. He says all his books have to be examined
    by the MOD before publishing, which is routine.

    To be fair he is honest about it. If we can believe him ..LOL

    So I'm pointing out as his says take a lot of what he says
    as spin and realise he is not a disclosure or truth seeker.
    Queen and country comes first !!


    Again nothing in here is new and he defends the loss
    of missing documents, which he says is not suspicious.

    He quotes Lord Hill Norton saying either a UFO landed
    at Rendlesham or the Deputy commander and his
    security staff were hallucinating , (para phraced ).



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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    To be fair Nick does not hide the fact that he is a sceptic and say he is ' agent
    Scully' in the X files comparison. In the the interview with Jimmy he says the best
    place to hide a book is in a library.Basically saying the best place to hide
    mole/plant/spy is in plain site . All the major conspiracy issues he tows the
    government line and is a 'Yes Minister man to the core'.

    Again this is fine and everyones entitled to their views and opinions , yet he is
    treated and invited as guest speaker at these events with basically nothing new to
    say on top of his opening MOD briefing dossier about Rendlesham Forrest and how
    its his job to monitor any new evidence from the UFO sources and report back to
    friends and senior operatives at MOD. Especially keeping an eye out for potential
    Edward Snowdens , as he says he does not believe in whistleblowers in national
    security positions. As he said several times one of his posting was in MOD security,
    so he has all the qualifications to spy on the alternate community. His time spent
    on the UFO desk giving him the background and credentials to blend right in .

    Is this an unfair accessement ? not judging by the amount of " No Comments"
    given to Jimmy and other interviewers on most UFO related subjects involving , any
    form of secrecy or disclosure. His mantra is you are not going to get any disclosure
    or info from me Guv...LOL


    He was on a panel on British TV defending the official version of 9/11 which I
    cannot find. This is what annoys me Nick makes no secret of his views yet he is
    held up as some sort of disclosure guru. When in fact he is the opposite he is the
    quint essential British civil servant.


    He is basically Sir Humprey saying nothing in as many ways as possible.....LOL








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    JFK.............from Nicks website



    As a broadcaster and writer well-known for his media interviews and articles on conspiracy theories, Nick Pope is often asked about the assassination of JFK. In the run-up to the 50th anniversary of JFK's death, Nick Pope's position statement on the issue is as follows:

    The assassination of JFK was a defining moment in American history and marked the birth of the modern conspiracy theory era. The Warren Commission, set up to investigate the killing, concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald killed the President and that he acted alone. The evidence was overwhelming, in particular, the so-called "backyard photos", which showed Oswald posing with the murder weapon. Even the House Select Committee on Assassinations (which did later support the idea of a conspiracy - albeit on dubious evidence) concluded that the photos were genuine, as did Oswald's wife, who took them. However, almost immediately, some people began to question the official version of events.

    The Warren Commission was not without its flaws (exactly the same can be said of the 9/11 Commission), but this does not render their fundamental findings unsound. Despite a multitude of claims and theories, no compelling evidence has been brought forward to call into question the conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald fired the fatal shots and that he acted alone. More to the point, no competing theory is supported by nearly as much evidence as the official conclusion.

    Most of the conspiracy theories concerning JFK's death can be eliminated by the simple application of the 'means, motive and opportunity' test. These conspiracy theories range from being merely self-contradictory and illogical, to being demonstrably false and patently absurd. That's not to say that people who believe in conspiracy theories are crazy. To this day, vast numbers of ordinary people believe in JFK conspiracy theories, alongside ones relating to the moon landings or to 9/11. Distrust of government is a big factor in all of this.

    Often, with the untimely death of a famous person, people look for some sort of deeper meaning. The death of Diana, Princess of Wales, is a good example. It's as if people are unable to accept the fact that one of the most famous and beautiful women in the world died in so mundane and pointless a way: a car being driven at high speed; a driver who had been drinking; a passenger who was wearing no seatbelt. So it is with JFK. People look for a more complex story, even though modern history, sadly, is full of instances where a single, deranged individual shoots a famous person (e.g. John Lennon) or large numbers of people (e.g. the Sandy Hook school massacre), for reasons that may never be fully known. The motivations for such acts are the subject of much debate and controversy. There is unlikely to be a single, neat answer, but the root cause usually involves a combination of mental illness, a perceived grievance and a desire to do something that will make the world pay attention to an individual who was previously ignored or disliked.

    The assassination of JFK is an excellent example of a principle known as "Occam's Razor": when examining competing theories, the one that makes the fewest assumptions is most likely to be the correct one. The simplest explanation that fits the facts in relation to the assassination of JFK is that Lee Harvey Oswald really was the lone gunman. It may not be as interesting as the various conspiracy theories, but it's almost certainly the definitive explanation.

    http://www.nickpope.net/jfk.htm
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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    Nick is a bureaucratic , trained ministry man and like
    this clip is adept like Sir Humphry at leading questions...


    Leading Questions - Yes Prime Minister



    At the end sir Humphrey says

    " we will commission our own survey for the min od defence "

    As he did not like the first , popular one....LOL
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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    I don't think the man is to be trusted, as he has had so much mainstream coverage. My humble opinion.

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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    Quote I don't think the man is to be trusted, as he has had so much mainstream coverage. My humble opinion.
    Your right and if he was just another researcher with a
    point of view it would not bother me.

    But for all the reasons above and in several other earlier
    threads and posts I have posted he is so obviously a
    plant to manipulate mainstream media interviews,
    that I cannot believe the people who run these
    UFO circuits and seminars keep inviting him to
    say 'nothing '..LOL

    Which makes you wonder at some of the leading
    disclosure venues and organisers in this field ...LOL

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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    I'm listening again and aprox 80 mins they are talking
    about MOD UFO bulk release of non top secret cases.

    Nick said The first batch was released in May 2008,
    just as operative agent Pope had embedded himself
    into the UFO community and was ready to go on all
    the news channels BBC ,Sky news ,channel 4 news ,
    American and other national news stations to comment
    on the disclosure and keep a lid on it by gently down
    playing the significance of the info , as he said MOD
    operatives are trained to do.....

    Coincidence I think not ...LOL

    As George Norry says..........





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    Aprox 101 mins in they are talking that the Soviets were looking into
    energy directed weapons , and other stuff. Nick says he cannot go
    into details from other sources. This is where he say his hiding a
    book in a library quote. Nick knows a lot more than he will disclose
    and is obviously aware of secret tech weapons or weapons platforms.

    So he will not look out of the box on subjects such of 9/11 , when he
    must know. what elements within black projects groups are capable
    of. Its obvious as Jimmy says Nick is always dancing around the subject,
    to wit Nick answers he cannot and will not divulge any classified material.

    Nick carries on the discussion and confirms he would not of disclosed
    anything that had not already been declassified by the MOD and he
    apologises to Jimmy and members of the Rendlesham experiancers
    that he would of and presumably still hold back info that may help
    their case . This leads to his Edward Snowden comments and he does
    not believe he is a hero and whistle blowers , should not disclose info
    that could damage the national interest....

    Then he talks about spying and surveillance techniques and hardware
    capabilities , regarding redacted released documents. Then he goes
    onto tell Jimmy how governments 'spin' there answers everyday.
    When pressed Nick says he would not lie directly , but would use
    'spin' and 'No Comment' and goes on to talk about his media
    training and how to deflect questions and give a completely different
    answer .' Waffling and spinning the truth ' the classic phrase
    of 'No defence significance' and he explains how he and colleagues
    at the MOD would spin answers for the press and parliament.

    Jimmy asks did you ever become frustrated and wanted to disclose.
    Nick said no it was my job.I swore an oath for Queen and Country
    and it was my job.......

    And sorry Nick it still is as far as I can tell......

    This sums it up....Nick you know the truth stop
    feeding us 'Bull s---'....

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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    Fun post...LOL


    Nick is the MOD Sceptic Scully , who wants to believe , but can't !!






    Nick and Jimmy talks about project Condign where Nick says 'we' several times
    concerning the report.....

    Project Condign

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Condign
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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    The interview starts aprox 31 mins in , one of the first questions jimmy asks
    is what his relationship with Nick Pope ?

    Aprx 36 mims in and Gary gives a great answer and have a listen, he basically
    says he has known Nick Pope for aprox 10 years and over that time Nick has
    said 'Nothing' ....LOL and elaborates more ans said Nick Pope appeared on
    a BBC show saying he believed in ET's, and for the last 18 ears he has been
    'waffling'......LOL and basically he is still an MOD insider.

    Then pressed by Jimmy for more views and Gary basically says what I have
    above. Mr Pope is a plant to feed back the current state of disclosure from
    the front line so to speak and this goes back to the 1990's after the fall
    of the Soviet Union and it was thought disclosure was very possible......


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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    As Gary says in the above interview. Nick first came out in this 1996 BBC
    interview feeling the waters and starting his espionage role in the UFO community...

    Another explanation could be he was initially keen to disclose ( Uhm ?? )
    but has been pulled back for the MOD and just told to infiltrate , mingle
    and report back. Particularly the Rendlesham case which is his only real
    interest and monitoring any more leaks that may compromise US and UK
    interactions with ET's...





    Uploaded on 25 Jan 2012


    Peter Snow interviews Nick Pope, with the aid of a shadowy actor. As I watch this, it
    does occur to me that Mr Pope shouldn't really be talking about this, so soon after his
    departure from the UK's 'X-Files'; MI5 normally stop this by bundling you in to the back
    of a car, never to be seen again. So, as we are seeing Pope doing his best to tell us that
    there really is something going on, it does feel rather like this is his real job, doesn't it???
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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    Before I could take this guy seriously, I’d first need to know how working on UFO files qualifies him to give an opinion on things like Diana, 911 and the JFK assassination. Obviously one sees the common denominator: he has become a general practitioner of conspiracy theory debunking. While these last three all involve different kinds of controlled demolition, they all call for professional assessment by specialists working in three very different fields. Let him by all means attempt a controlled demolition of his own in the field of ufology, but anything else just show him as being up to no good. Just as skeptics often seek to discredit someone by mixing things up, e.g. by saying in connection with 911, I bet you think there was a conspiracy to murder JFK, he is discrediting himself by straying into areas in which he has zero professional expertise.


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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    Quote Before I could take this guy seriously, I’d first need to know how working on UFO files qualifies him to give an opinion on things like Diana, 911 and the JFK assassination. Obviously one sees the common denominator: he has become a general practitioner of conspiracy theory debunking. While these last three all involve different kinds of controlled demolition, they all call for professional assessment by specialists working in three very different fields. Let him by all means attempt a controlled demolition of his own in the field of ufology, but anything else just show him as being up to no good. Just as skeptics often seek to discredit someone by mixing things up, e.g. by saying in connection with 911, I bet you think there was a conspiracy to murder JFK, he is discrediting himself by straying into areas in which he has zero professional expertise.
    He is basically a MOD yes man to the core. His comments about other issues like JFK have come about in answer of
    the more and more people seeing thru his agenda , which is not difficult after you have heard him speak a few times.
    I noticed this years ago when I first heard him at one of the UFO conferences , this would of been after I had the
    net and finding project Camelot around circa 2006/7 . The comments from Gary Heseltine in the interview above
    sum him up quite well. Gary also mentioned the BBC interview above and it all ties in with intelligence operation
    to monitor the Rendlesham disclosure . This is Nicks signature case and free ticket to infiltrate the UFO circuit,
    But more importantly monopolise mainstream news access ie What better contact for news room editor to go
    to on related UFO subjects than the Ex MOD UFO X files agent.

    The US/UK were worried post Soviet union and public interest in the 1990's with shows such as the X files,
    that they did not want any more than was already disclosed about Rendlesham coming out. Nick apologised
    in the interview , at the top to Jimmy and col Holt saying if he ( Nick ) knew anything that had not already
    been disclosed by the witness's. He ( Nick Pope ) could not or would not tell them because of his MOD oath which
    he is still bined by law. Basically Nick also said he is a mouthpiece for the MOD.......

    The annoying thing is as he says he is off to speak at another UFO event next month and was not sure what
    he will talk about , probably an update on Rendlesham ? . Also he has lots of media work appearing in
    several UFO docs basically , debunking and saying absolutely " NOTHING " !!!...............LOL
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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    British MoD Still With-Holding Secret UFO Documents

    Sunday 28th September 2014 at 10:13 By




    THE UFO CHRONICLES.............


    ‘The British Ministry of Defense is still withholding high-level UFO public
    policy papers, along with other key information, despite the public stance
    that all material has been transferred to the National Archives, according
    to John F. Burroughs, a retired USAF security officer. Burroughs, 54, was
    stationed at RAF Bentwaters in 1980 and witnessed one of the most
    significant UFO events in English history.’


    According to Burroughs, the MOD commissioned a Top Secret Technical
    Memorandum 55/2/00 in 2000, which was intended to provide the pretext
    for closing down the MOD UFO desk. That Memorandum included a Key
    Recommendation that "It should no longer be a requirement for DI55 to
    monitor UAP reports as they do not demonstrably provide information
    useful to Defense Intelligence."

    Subsequent to the internal release of the Technical Memorandum, the UK
    MOD shut down the public UFO (UAP) reporting desk and began a process
    of transferring all of the UFO reports to the British National Archives.

    According to the National Archives web page dated 21 June 2013 they stated
    they had today released its tenth and final tranche of UFO files, containing
    4,400 pages of UFO policy, correspondence and UFO sighting reports covering
    the final two years of the Ministry of Defence's UFO Desk (from late 2007
    until November 2009).

    The files reveal for the first time the reasons behind the closure of the UFO
    Desk and how sightings had become a social phenomenon making tabloid
    headlines and sparking a disclosure campaign for 'the truth'.

    Dr. David Clarke, author of the book 'The UFO Files', said: 'The last pieces of
    the puzzle have finally been revealed with this insight into the last days of the
    UFO Desk. These files spell out clearly why the Ministry of Defense decided -
    after 60 years - it no longer needed to keep tabs on sightings, even those
    made by 'credible' people such as police officers and pilots. The last files from
    the UFO desk are now all in the public domain. People at home can read them
    and draw their own conclusions about whether 'the truth' is in these files or
    still out there.'

    This seeming act of transparency was apparently a ruse, as FOIA requests by
    Burroughs have revealed two further versions of the truth.

    In an initial response the MOD admitted the existence of 6 crucial UFO/UAP
    public policy papers which have NOT been released. According to that version
    UFO/UAP Policy papers dating from 1971 through 2004 have been held back.
    These papers contain the MOD public information policy for over three decades,
    including a change from the use of the term 'UFO' to 'UAP', in June of 2000.

    Burroughs feels this change was an attempt to conceal MOD information on the
    UFO issue from June, 2000 onward by referring to the phenomenon in question
    as Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon, (UAP) rather than the well-understood
    "Unidentified Flying Object" (UFO). The change would allow the MOD to make
    the claim that no further information on the UFO is being held, while maintaining
    information on the UAP.

    In response to a follow-up FOIA request, the MOD revised its position to say that
    they were still maintaining 18 UFO documents as classified.

    The MOD said that the documents were being 'prepared' for public release -- meaning
    reviewed for material that should remain redacted -- at a later date. When Burroughs
    submitted a request for early release of the classified documents, the MOD declined,
    claiming that doing so would 'delay the planned public release" of the material.

    "This makes little sense to me," Burroughs said, "as releasing them to me would
    accelerate access to the information contained, not delay it. The MOD is clearly
    dragging its feet on full disclosure, while presenting the illusion to the public that
    it has already happened."

    Nick Pope, Co-Author of the book Encounter in Rendlesham Forest with James
    Penniston and Burroughs, and former Directorate of Defense Security, Ministry
    of Defense who's gone on record saying Rendlesham might be the turning point
    in history that leads to the explanation of the UFO phenomenon" stated this when
    he learned of Burroughs FOIA discovery.

    "I knew for sure that not everything had been released, because by the MOD's own
    admission, some files/documents had been lost, some destroyed, some redacted and
    some withheld altogether. Also, material where the information owner is a defense
    contractor (e.g. some of the Project Condign working papers) is exempt from disclosure
    altogether, as private companies are outside the scope of the Freedom of Information
    Act". The bottom line is this: whether it's exempt from the FOIA entirely,
    withheld/redacted under exemptions to the FOIA, destroyed or lost, some material on
    Project Condign and on the Rendlesham Forest incident has yet to emerge, and some
    may never come to light”.

    Burroughs will be presenting the results of his active FOIA request program and his
    analysis of MOD Technical Memorandum 55/2/00 at the Woodbridge Community hall
    Station Rd Woodbridge Suffolk IP12 4AU on Saturday September, 20th at 7:00pm.
    Also appearing with Burroughs will be Richard Dolan, Larry Warren and Gary Heseltine.

    According to Burroughs, the significance of the contents of the Memo 55/2/00 has long
    been overlooked by the research community because it was deliberately obtuse in nature.
    The Memo is technically complicated and the writing was adroit in the process of stating
    key facts while presenting a facade that the phenomenon under study was one of several
    forms of rare, but naturally occurring weather aberration.

    "You have to know what you are looking for," Burroughs said, and understand what is
    actually being stated. The memorandum is a masterpiece of bureaucratic double-speak."

    Among other points Burroughs will cover in his talk are the fact that there is an international
    race to weaponize the technology employed by the phenomenon.

    According to Burroughs, "The memo states clearly that 'Russian, Former Soviet Republics and
    Chinese authorities have made a co-ordinated effort to understand the UAP topic.' and that high
    level scientists, astronauts and senior pilots have been appointed to study groups."

    The most significant accomplishment Burroughs has made to date is to correlate the described
    characteristics of the 'true phenomenon', as he puts it, under study by the MOD, with a 2003
    paper by Jaques Vallee and Eric Davis and a 2010 paper printed in the Journal of British
    Interplanetary Science by Hal Puthoff.

    Puthoff's paper, published a decade after the MOD memo, describes a theoretical propulsion
    system for interstellar travel, based on the Alcubierre 'warp drive' concept.

    "It boils down to this:" Burroughs stated, "Puthoff's predictions for effects of a drive capable
    of interstellar travel match the effects of the UFO Phenomenon noted by Vallee/Davis and they
    match the effects described by the MOD of the UAP Phenomenon under study." "Most significantly,
    the predicted effects of the theoretical interstellar drive on humans in close proximity match those
    of the MOD - which could not have known of Puthoff's theory at the time of the writing -- and they
    match the symptoms I exhibit from a close encounter with the phenomenon while on duty at Bentwaters."

    "I am convinced that this is the reason the DOD has classified my medical records and attempted
    to doctor my Service Record to show I was not in service at the time, to allow the VA to deny me
    benefits, but more importantly, keep the medical information about my condition a Classified secret.


    Continue Reading . . .



    Read more: British MoD Still With-Holding Secret UFO Documents

    http://www.theufochronicles.com/2014...ng-secret.html

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    Default Re: MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic Nick Pope on Jimmy Church Fade To Black..4/3/15

    This interview was aprox a week after Teresea May British home secretary
    ruled against Gary's extradition to the US aprox Oct 2012...

    Nick Pope, UK UFO Hacker Gary McKinnon



    Nick Pope starts interview aprox 26 mins and talks about Gary's Mc Kinnon
    and as usual Nick talks BS and basically dismiss Gary as a pot smoking
    fantasy , conspiracist looking for free energy, and talks about how the law
    changed in the post 9/11. He thinks Gary probably saw something
    down loaded by NASA employees from UFO sites and he did not see anything
    worth while. Nick talks about from his own top secret experience security in
    the UK is very tight. Nick lets slip the two ships USSS Le May and Hillencutter ?
    This could have been a slip by Nick , that he knows more than he is saying
    as usual...LOL Again they make reference that Gary was a drinking and pot
    smoking. When the reason Gary could not say all he knew and saw would
    of definitely been prejudice to his case if he indeed ended up in court. Which
    Nick half acknowledges as a possible ace up Gary sleeve.

    Nick talks completely mainstream and from an establishment view as usual.
    Then goes into the medical side of the case and Gary's possible suicide risk.
    The interviewer also misinterprets Gary's possible deal early on , and that
    the US would not put the plea deal in writing. Nick points out that Gary
    was probably singled out as a deterrent to other hackers in the mainstream
    Nick goes onto say that this does not effect the US/UK special relationship
    as we are linked intelligence and military wise, this interview is pre Snowden
    and we knew before and has been confirmed GCHQ is a hub for intel for
    several NATO countries.


    The interviewer was not very good unfortunately, other to reinforce Nick
    is certainly not a 'disclosure truth seeker' just a MOD intelligence plant.
    Neither of them could have re watched Gary's interviews before the show and
    missed the main reason for Gary's search in the first place , the Donna Hare
    disclosure testimony in 2001 before 9/11.



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    A couple of post from Longeyes & Pandoras Paradox on The Out Post forum...

    http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/s...of-the-century

    Gary watched the 2001 Disclosure Project National Press Club conference
    testimonies and decided to look for the evidence himself. He claimed the
    administrator passwords on most of the computers were unset making it
    very easy to create a backdoor and then daisy chain from computer to
    computer. He only had a 56Kb modem. The security must have been
    virtually no existent.

    He found two bits of crucial evidence:

    The first was a list of transfers for non-terrestrial officers aboard ships
    that were clearly not naval ships.

    The second was verification of something Donna Hare, an ex NASA, claimed
    in he Disclosure Project Testimony. She alleged that she went into Johnson
    Space Center's Building 8 where a colleague showed here images, before and
    after UFOs had been scrubbed out before showing to the public. Donna was a
    member of a Houston Contactee club and had made it known that she was
    interested in UFOs will working at NASA and that is how the incident came
    to take place.



    Donna Hare Disclosure Project interview

    Gary managed to hack his way, along a string of computers until he got into a
    console in Building 8 where he claims he found two folders marked something
    like Unfiltered and Filtered. He saw one craft clearly above the atmosphere
    which was no of this world.

    This is a great interview by Project Camelot of Gary the one used in the recent
    Hangar 1 UFO Files S01E06 Space Weapons




    Project Camelot interviews Gary McKinnon

    It took years of campaigning to get finally get Gary's extradition over turned and
    the experience was taking it's toll.Many claimed that he had damaged hundreds
    thousands of dollars worth of Naval computers but there is no real evidence of
    that if anything he just highlighted there very poor security. That cost them a
    great deal to fix.

    Pretty much as Gary decided to download the filtered and unfiltered images from
    NASA he got caught. At one point there was a list floating around the internet of
    the space craft. But it disappeared never to be found again if anyone could dig it
    up that would be a great challenge. I think his genuine motives make him a hero
    but other disagree.

    http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/s...of-the-century


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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    There are various types of researchers and whistleblowers , Richard D Hall
    is one of the genuine ones imo , I do not agree with all his conclusions,
    but he is willing to put ideas forward and challenge others in a constructive
    way. Of course much is speculation but educated and if you follow the
    sources they make sense in many cases.

    Nick does not do this and admits it, yet has a success full alternate career
    sponsored by his MOD pension and other earning from media , book and
    other activities basically saying nothing and monitoring potential whistle
    blower and off the air conversations at conferences for his real paymasters.
    Good work if you can get it ...LOL and to be fair to Nick Pope he does not
    deny he is bound by his security oath and will not disclose anything that
    is not already in the public domain as he said in the Fade to black interview.

    Nick Popes secondary case is the RAF Cosford triangular UFO case , but he
    does not research it anywhere near how Richard research's his below....



    This is also posted at the top of the page but is about Cosford...


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    RICHPLANET TV - The Secret Space Fleet - 13/10/2014 Show




    Published on 18 Oct 2014


    Please visit Richard D Hall's website RICHPLANET.NET http://www.richplanet.net ...
    to see all his past shows, and so much more, covering all types of alternate issues
    that the mainstream refuses to acknowledge.

    The term "whistle blower" is a commonly used term. Richard's contention is that
    any genuine whistle blower would not be granted air time in mainstream media.
    Important whistle blowers such as Dr Judy Wood are not widely know about.
    Another whistle blower who has not been given much coverage in mainstream
    is Edgar Fouche. Fouche worked in a technical role for the U.S. Air Force for over
    20 years and in 1998 published details of an aerial vehicle he claims has been
    developed in secret by the N.S.A. and U.S.A.F. The performance characteristics
    are mind boggling, using a field propulsion. In this lecture Richard argues that
    NASA is effectively a cover organisation to keep the public amused. The more
    advanced space vehicles and exploration programme have been secretised and
    are being kept well away from public scrutiny. Are you happy about this?

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    In the above documentary Richard plays an interview with channel 4
    film executive about a up coming doc by a comedian that will probably
    be another hit piece , but we will see a very good telephone conversation.

    4 Press...


    Channel 4 beams up The Big E.T. Conspiracy (w/t)

    07 Aug 2014
    Coming soon, News Releases



    Channel 4 has commissioned a one-off documentary from Plum Pictures that will
    meet British people who believe in extra-terrestrial conspiracy theories.

    Writer and comedian Dan Schreiber will travel across the UK to meet an array of
    Brits who believe there is a global conspiracy to cover up alien visits to Earth. In
    meeting these characters, Dan plans to discover why so many people of all walks of
    life are captivated by extra-terrestrial mysteries. Along the way, he’ll hear
    extraordinary theories on why authorities could be hiding the existence of aliens,
    and how extra-terrestrial beings may already be walking among us.

    Commissioned by Anna Miralis for Channel 4, this one-hour documentary will
    include accounts from those who claim to have experienced close encounters,
    interviews with leading experts in the ufology community and individuals who have
    dedicated their life’s work to uncovering the alleged alien cover-ups.

    As well as stand-up comedy, Dan’s career highlights include co-creating BBC Radio
    4’s Museum of Curiosity and being a researcher/’Elf’ for BBC Two’s QI. Speaking
    about the project, Dan comments: “Channel 4 have let me loose on my first ever
    TV documentary to meet people who may have had contact with aliens. I’m
    fascinated by conspiracy theories - the stories, the people and the connections they
    make. This isn't about proving them right, or debunking them, it's just an
    appreciation for some fantastic mind-blowing ideas.”

    Will Daws, Executive Producer at Plum Pictures added: “Dan is an exciting new
    presenter who brings a fresh insight into the world of the ET conspiracy theories.
    He has embarked on a mysterious journey full of claims of strange sightings and
    government cover ups, but never loses his sense of awe at being introduced to
    some of the country’s best-known conspiracy theorists.“

    Anna Miralis, commissioning editor for Documentaries at Channel 4, said: “We all at
    some point consider whether we’re alone in the universe, and some have made it
    their mission to convince the world that we aren’t. We’re excited to be working with
    Plum Productions and Dan on this doc. His warm humour and genuine passion for
    the topic make him the perfect frontman for the programme.”

    The Big E.T. Conspiracy (w/t) is a 1 x 60 minute documentary from Plum Pictures.
    It is directed by Daniel Lucchesi and executive produced by Will Daws.



    http://www.channel4.com/info/press/n...conspiracy-w-t
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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    The notion of your thread is perfectly understood, Cidersomerset. I think James Bartley has said it right on his last 'Hyperspace' interview -

    "The UFO Milleu do not adress the core issues.."

    Between 45:00-48:00 is the mentioning of Nick Pope

    From 33:00 to 45:00 a longer 'rant' about the UFO community in general and their rather one sided choice of focus on their research

    But the whole interview is most recommended and there are other names that are mentioned in the same context..

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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    Thanks limor two very good segments , and in the 45 -48 seg
    he is saying exactly what I'm trying to make everyone see.
    There is probably several intel agents in the disclosure field and
    most of the main researchers have been accused of this including
    our own Bill and Kerry , and some are probably genuine. The thing
    with Nick Pope it is so obvious and he has monopolised the news
    reports and been on all the TV docs in the last few years.

    As I also say Nick does not deny it and the Fade to Black interview
    at the top , spells this out imo...LOL







    I posted this in a earlier post as you may have seen and will also wind James up ...LOL

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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    cross ref threads
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...166#post960166

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    Dr David Clark and other UFO dis info agents have been debunking this event and
    others like Rendlesham to cover this up and keep it deniable in the governments
    eye from the mainstream press and public.

    The Usual Suspects -- Anatomy of a Disinformation Campaign in Ufology
    http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cm...=179&Itemid=51

    UK UFO Debunker Strikes Again .....Will Dr. David Clarke Ever Get Anything Right?
    http://www.theufochronicles.com/2010...kes-again.html


    UFO files released August 2009 at The National Archives (UK) - video
    http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...?v=kcIF5INyAec

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Dr . David Clarke official MOD archive gatekeeper and debunker.........

    Since 2008 I have been working with The National Archives (TNA) as their
    consultant for the on going release of the UFO files created by Britain's Ministry of
    Defence. My book, The UFO Files, was published by TNA in September 2009.

    http://drdavidclarke.co.uk/



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    Other Gatekeepers include imo and many others....

    MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic Nick Pope on Jimmy Church Fade To Black..4/3/15

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Black..4-3-15



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    Gary Heseltine This Morning ITV1 April 17 2012



    Published on 17 Apr 2012


    Gary Heseltine and Professional Debunker and Skeptic Chris French shout it out over the
    "Facts" of the Redlesham Forest UFO events, 1980 after a challenge laid down by Gary
    on the same show in Feb 2012

    Gary's position in essence:- the events over the three nights were UFO Related. French
    states in essence the US military were clueless idiots who saw a lighthouse, one of the
    official Debunkers position. Nick Pope gets a slamming.

    They used a geiger counter in the wrong manner, showing doubt on the radiation measurements.
    These USAF Officers and men, who were in charge of an active Nuclear base in time of high alert
    are slandered by devbunkers as clueless and "mistaken" poor old sods who shouldn't be allowed
    out without a minder.
    Both positions rigoressly defended, in a hot debate. Would Chris trust anyone who saw anything?
    On his logic, NO. Especially when they are in the services?

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...166#post960166

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    Default Re: Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015

    My main gripe with Nick as a 'gate keeper' he knows more than he is
    prepared to disclose until he is allowed to. This is a interesting little
    segment from a interview from 2007. When George asks him if
    he is able to discuss what he knew ? Nick says only what has been
    declassified of course....This is my problem with him and he has
    never denied it that his disclosure is selective and authorised
    either by his employers or self censorship. Unless he has changed
    recently.


    George Galloway and Nick Pope talk about U.F.O's



    Published on 13 Nov 2007

    U.F.O. investigator Nick Pope talks to M.P George Galloway about
    vital U.A.P. evidence he was witness to during his time at the M.O.D.

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    Pt 3 Nick Pope UFO Disclosure Press Conference 09

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUcYW-w21RA

    Published on 29 Apr 2009
    This is Part 3 of the Press Conference held on April 20th, 2009 at the National Press
    Club in Washington DC. Here, Nick Pope, ex UFO investigator and information
    officer for the British Ministry of Defense, calls for official disclosure of the UFO
    secrets. Produced by Ron James

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    At the start of this interview Nick explains how he joined the MOD , suggested
    by his father to join the family firm so to speak as he had a long career in the
    military establishment. Nick is obviously eloquent and intelligent and gives lots
    of snippets in this discussion which is why he is so frustrating imo...

    Nick Pope & Alex Jones at George Noory Live in Toronto

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auGPXBADOu4

    Published on 31 Aug 2015
    08/22/2015 George Noory Live http://www.georgenoorylive.com in Toronto,
    Canada, hosted by George Noory with special guests Nick Pope and Alex Jones...
    Conspiracy Culture and First class 11o1 presents... with Tom Danheiser
    productions, George Noory http://www.coasttocoastam.com
    Nick Pope http://www.nickpope.net
    Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com
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