Are You Offended? (Video)

[Mu2143]

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[Akasha]

Mu. Why do you post this pentecostal material on Avalon? Are you attempting to proselytise because I suspect you're at the wrong party if you are. This woman from this video and the "evil spirit of homosexuality" video is clearly "gone bye bye". Can't we up the bar or just refrain from posting such low freq' matter?

Of course if you uploaded it to highlight how lost such folk are, then fair enough. People need to be aware of the fuzzy logic and frankly, mental illness rampant within evangelicanity.

[Bill Ryan]

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To translate this into regular English, she's saying that if one allows oneself to get triggered by something (e.g. being offended by homosexuals!), then one has fallen for the intended 'bait'.

In some ways, of course that is true. If we were all in a high state of spiritual development, whatever one's religion or beliefs, then we would all be living in a state of benign equanimity, and not get triggered or upset by anything at all.

Whether this is realistic is another question: we're talking about the human condition, whatever factors contribute to that. I'd agree, of course, that we do all need to work towards that state where we can allow, grant beingness, forgive, turn the other cheek, and not be 'offended' by anything — while, at the same tine, working together to make the world a better place.

[Sunny-side-up]

If you take offence you are listening to your 'Ego'

If you never take offence by something/someone then you are very evolved, a 'Saint' and or it's equivalent!
and not taking offence to an 'Enlightened-soul' is not 'Turning-your-cheek' it is not letting 'Emotions' rule your consciousness, it is being above and outside of 'Ego'

[Akasha]

To be clear, I'm not offended by her. I understand that she is just doing the best she can with the level of consciousness available to her at this moment in time, but........ her statement in the other video about the spirit of homosexuality is certainly a telling indicator of where she is at on her path and which direction that path is going in. The irony is that these types take pride in their "insight" assuming that they are receiving such data from the holy spirit when the opposite is more than likely the case.

I am probably being a bit rough on her though. Being brought up in a radically evangelical environment has made me acutely allergic to such religious perspectives.

We certainly do undermine our position when we take offence. It's just disappointing when folk only see such action as undermining their religion rather than undermining themselves.

[Mu2143]

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[Cristian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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To translate this into regular English, she's saying that if one allows oneself to get triggered by something (e.g. being offended by homosexuals!), then one has fallen for the intended 'bait'.

To translate this even further ...some people reported the original post, that had a diffrent title, and Bill is trying to make peace. Bill posting in Mu's threads is somehow interesting.

I think Bill feels there is something true in what Mu is posting...even if he might not like the way its being delivered.
So while Mu's style and beliefs are not exactly what Bill and other mods believe in ...there is something in his posts that they find valuable.

And it just may be ...but why all this playing around?

[Mu2143]

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[Akasha]

Growing up with similar people to the woman in the video allows me to recognise like-minded spiel when I hear it and whilst she may not be affiliated with one particular church, from her jargon it's clear she is of that ilk.

Glad to have broadened your vocabulary btw

[Earthlink]

Offense in religion. That's it's own subject right there. Why do any religious people feel the need to go out and persecute others around them? Does it actually say anything like that in religious books, or have they taken it upon themselves to do so?

Anyway, fear no art and you fear no reflection, I always say.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Cristian (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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To translate this into regular English, she's saying that if one allows oneself to get triggered by something (e.g. being offended by homosexuals!), then one has fallen for the intended 'bait'.

To translate this even further ...some people reported the original post, that had a diffrent title, and Bill is trying to make peace. Bill posting in Mu's threads is somehow interesting.

I think Bill feels there is something true in what Mu is posting...even if he might not like the way its being delivered.
So while Mu's style and beliefs are not exactly what Bill and other mods believe in ...there is something in his posts that they find valuable.

And it just may be ...but why all this playing around?

You may have missed my subtle point! Mu2143 seems rather offended by homosexuality. Hence... a somewhat strange, contradictory message here.

[Guish]

One wise zen monk said: act and do not react. Bill described this in a good way in his earlier post. I've noticed that the deeper I go in the spiritual journey, the more quiet and detached I find myself. In bliss, one is not concerned about arguments and fights which only give importance to the ego. Deep thinking comes on its own.

[Cristian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)


You may have missed my subtle point! Mu2143 seems rather offended by homosexuality. Hence... a somewhat strange, contradictory message here.

Well..yes.

But you do agree that homosexuality can be triggered by external influences ...and it may very well be a natural expression of the soul.

You do agree that having a being attached to you can get you closer to being a homosexual. or being a sex addict . Or an alcoholic.

So my point was...you used your opinions and experience to let a thread flow; a thread that some may have thought has no use...

[Selkie]

Posted by Guish (here)
One wise zen monk said: act and do not react. Bill described this in a good way in his earlier post. I've noticed that the deeper I go in the spiritual journey, the more quiet and detached I find myself. In bliss, one is not concerned about arguments and fights which only give importance to the ego. Deep thinking comes on its own.

Lapis Lazuli

By William Butler Yeats


(for Harry Clifton)

I have heard that hysterical women say

They are sick of the palette and fiddle-bow,

Of poets that are always gay,

For everybody knows or else should know

That if nothing drastic is done

Aeroplane and Zeppelin will come out,

Pitch like King Billy bomb-balls in

Until the town lie beaten flat.


All perform their tragic play,

There struts Hamlet, there is Lear,

That's Ophelia, that Cordelia;

Yet they, should the last scene be there,

The great stage curtain about to drop,

If worthy their prominent part in the play,

Do not break up their lines to weep.

They know that Hamlet and Lear are gay;

Gaiety transfiguring all that dread.

All men have aimed at, found and lost;

Black out; Heaven blazing into the head:

Tragedy wrought to its uttermost.

Though Hamlet rambles and Lear rages,

And all the drop scenes drop at once

Upon a hundred thousand stages,

It cannot grow by an inch or an ounce.


On their own feet they came, or on shipboard,

Camel-back, horse-back, ass-back, mule-back,

Old civilisations put to the sword.

Then they and their wisdom went to rack:

No handiwork of Callimachus

Who handled marble as if it were bronze,

Made draperies that seemed to rise

When sea-wind swept the corner, stands;

His long lamp chimney shaped like the stem

Of a slender palm, stood but a day;

All things fall and are built again

And those that build them again are gay.


Two Chinamen, behind them a third,

Are carved in Lapis Lazuli,

Over them flies a long-legged bird

A symbol of longevity;

The third, doubtless a serving-man,

Carries a musical instrument.


Every discolouration of the stone,

Every accidental crack or dent

Seems a water-course or an avalanche,

Or lofty slope where it still snows

Though doubtless plum or cherry-branch

Sweetens the little half-way house

Those Chinamen climb towards, and I

Delight to imagine them seated there;

There, on the mountain and the sky,

On all the tragic scene they stare.

One asks for mournful melodies;

Accomplished fingers begin to play.

Their eyes mid many wrinkles, their eyes,

Their ancient, glittering eyes, are gay.


an addition: Just so no one misunderstands, I did not post this to be provocative. In this poem, by "gay", I take Yeats to mean "lighthearted" or "carefree". The poem makes no sense otherwise, at least not to me.

[Guish]

Very funny Silkie.

[Mu2143]

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[Selkie]

Posted by Guish (here)
Very funny Silkie.

Just for clarity, Yeats was writing about WW1, back in that timeframe. Back then, to my knowledge, "gay" did not mean "homosexual". It meant "lighthearted" or "carefree".

ad addition: I didn't post the poem to be funny, though. I posted it to show that people of wisdom are detached.

[Guish]

Posted by Silkie (here)

Posted by Guish (here)
Very funny Silkie.

Just for clarity, Yeats was writing about WW1, back in that timeframe. Back then, to my knowledge, "gay" did not mean "homosexual". It meant "lighthearted" or "carefree".

ad addition: I didn't post the poem to be funny, though. I posted it to show that people of wisdom are detached.

Well, people see reality under a lens created by a belief system. Once you get rid of that belief system and rely on the spirit/objective fact to understand it, the reality is different. I've grouped spirit and objective fact because Quantum Physics is conforming what the mystics knew a long time ago.

Cheers.

[greybeard]

Being that nothing could be created with out God.
He created Man and Woman.
Logic would also suggest that Homosexuals and Lesbians are therefore also God's creations.
There is plenty of medical evidence suggesting that your seeming sexual preference is natural given your genes etc
You can fight it, deny it, but if you are attracted to another, that's your nature taking its course.
This assumes you are attracted to a consenting adult of the same persuasion.

What is there to be offended about?

Chris

[ZooLife]

When anyone takes a position no matter the justification or reasoning, that immediately puts them in opposition (obviously).

This IS the human condition.

Taking the position of peace? How will you FIGHT for it? Passive/ active resistance?

War and Peace, a dichotomy that cannot be escaped in regards to the human condition.

Is one more justified then the other? That is a position for you to decide, the bait has been set out. The choice is yours.

Did I take a position in all this? You bet! I am experiencing this human condition right along with the rest of us.



The more something appears different the more it appears the same.