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    Default Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    In honor of Judy Wood's epoch book Where Did the Towers Go? (short answer - they were dustified), I entitle this thread "Where Did the Planes Go?".

    This thread is focused on Rebekah Roth's recently released Methodical Illusion, a novel with a lot of truth in it. The first edition was published in November 2014, and the second edition is just out, in March 2015, with some corrections and an added short appendix, commenting on the response to the first edition.

    Short answer - the "hijacked 9/11 planes" landed at Westover Air Reserve Base, in Massachusetts, US. That base has the longest runway, over 2 miles long, in the eastern US.

    Landing a commercial airliner loaded with fuel is not easy; usually the fuel is burnt off first as such planes are not designed to land with that much weight. So a long runway really helps if you have to get a fuel heavy plane down quickly.

    A couple of passengers or flight attendants from each of the four "hijacked" planes on 9/11 (of 2001) called to various airline offices or relatives, from their cell phones, while claiming to be in the air, shortly before "impact", to explain that "Middle Eastern" men (or a singular man) had hijacked the plane.

    Just the phrase "Middle Eastern" was most likely scripted, as not even someone who (such as Rebekah Roth) had spent 30 years traveling the world could look at a typical person from perhaps Mexico, southern Europe, the Middle East, Israel, or Iran and know by looks which of those places they were from. That phrase, "Middle Eastern", was an essential piece of the mass propaganda that 9/11 was designed to put in the public mind.

    These calls were an essential piece of the puzzle of 9/11. We Americans had to know who to blame, and without those calls, we would have had no way of "knowing" that (supposedly) Middle Eastern men hijacked each plane with box cutters.

    But those cell phone calls could not have come from planes at altitude, and the flight attendants who called in did not come even close to following the detailed emergency procedures for which they had all trained in the event of a hijacking.

    So the planes must have been on the ground when the calls were made, and the flight attendants were somehow being told what to say, not actually following in-flight emergency hijacking procedures.

    Westover would have been the ideal place to land those planes, before getting select passengers or crew to make those essential phone calls, and then taking the crew and passengers off to meet their fate.

    The timing for each flight, from when it did take off, until when the cell phone calls were made works out, giving time for (1) the planes to fly to Westover, (2) the planes to land, and (3) the chosen callers to be handed their script and briefed on the "exercise" and who to call and what to say.

    Westover is (with "official" end points of each flight in parentheses):
    • 80 miles west of Logan airport, the origin of Flights 11 (North tower) and 175 (South tower),
    • 130 miles northeast of Newark Airport, the origin of Flight 93 (crashed in Pennsylvania), and
    • 330 miles northeast of Dulles Airport, the origin of Flight 77 (Pentagon).
    All four flights were cross country flights, from the above east coast airports to airports in California (Flight 93 to San Francisco and the rest to Los Angeles). So they would have had a lot of fuel on board if they landed prior to the alleged cell phone calls being made.

    According to the (perhaps fictional, but see my Post #5, below) details in Rebekah Roth's novel, Westover was closed that day, and the few Air Force Reserve military units who normally might have been there were told to stay home that week. By many publicly visible accounts, Westover has huge hangers, as it is the major C-5A (largest US military supply plane) base in the eastern US. Such hangers could easily hide a few commercial passenger planes.

    The Israeli controlled Promis software had been installed on all the key FAA (civilian air control) and NORAD (military air control) systems, enabling behind the scenes operatives to control what painted on each of their radars - making real planes disappear and fake planes appear, confusing everyone involved.

    Flight Termination Software (FTS) and equipment had been installed on all the planes involved, enabling behind the scenes operatives to totally take control of the planes, and to totally cut off the pilots from all communication, even with the attendants in the cabin, and from all control of their aircraft. The FTS software was sold as a means to land a hijacked passenger plane safely, regardless of what the hijackers did, short of blowing the plane up in the air. But it was also the ultimate hijacking tool, in the right (wrong) hands.

    Rebekah Roth was a flight attendant and flight crew chief (pursor) for almost thirty years, and knows how things are done, and the procedures they practice, quite well. She is intelligent and articulate, and has solved another critical piece of the 9/11 puzzle.

    Thank-you, Rebekah.

    Others have already posted Rebekah Roth's material and some of her recent interviews on Avalon:There are some excellent interviews of Rebekah Roth in the above posts. I recommend listening to at least one or two of them. Thank-you, Hervé, Cidersomerset, Star Tsar, Helvetic, and giovonni, for these fine posts and threads.

    Here's another well done interview of Rebekah Roth, which I haven't seen posted on the forum before:

    Source: http://mediabroadcastingcenter.podbe...ekah-roth-mp3/
    Here's a link to Westover on Google Maps: https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.1...36746,0.306759

    The Youtuber Patriot Wing is apparently stationed there now, and has been posting videos of current activity at Westover for the last few years. See for example this video showing Westover from the air and on the ground, as of October and November of 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0tuXaB10CU.

    Rebekah Roth has put another nail in the coffin of the official 9/11 story.

    I read Rebekah Roth's Methodical Illusion yesterday on Kindle. The paperback edition is "out of stock" on Amazon, even though it's currently listed as #1 Best Seller in Amazon's Historical Fiction section, perhaps because they are restocking with the second edition. It's a quick read - just a few hours if you're a fast reader. She might not be a world class novel writer, but it's a page turner, and she's a quite capable writer.
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    9/11 Methodical Illusion -Airline Flight Attendant Reveals What Really Happened On 9/11



    Published on 7 Feb 2015

    Dan Bidondi interviews Former Airline Flight Attendant Rebekah Roth who is now a
    Author of "Methodical Illusion" a book that reveals untold information never told
    before about the Government False Flag attack on September 11th, 2001
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Its good to hear from the perspective of the fight attendants who would/should
    of had a pivotal role in any hijacking particularly if they had a chance to
    communicate with the outside world. ( Which is very suspect ). According to
    their emergency anti hijack training and protocols. Apart from all the other
    oddities , coincidences , military drills and motives to get the US into
    warfare for the forseable future.....



    Hagmann & Hagmann - 30 Jan 2015 - Rebekah Roth - The Methodical Illusion of 9/11

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    No probs.......plenty to listen to

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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Good one !

    In this interview of Rebekah Roth, granted 30 Jan 2015, she states, at 4 minutes into the video, that she has just been contacted by someone who was there, at the Westover Air Reserve Base, on the day of 9/11, 2001, and who confirms that the base was on total lock down, and who confirms that Rebekah Roth had totally figured it out.
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    I heard Rebekah interviewed on Red Ice the other day - awesome.

    One of the most significant new perspectives on everything for years IMO.

    http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-150318.php

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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Three months ago, on the PilotsFor911Truth.org thread "Methodical Illusion---Rebekah Roth", a blogger named mainer posted an excellent synopsis of what Rebecca Roth is saying:

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    A week or so ago I ran into a reference to a week-long series of interviews last month with Rebekah Roth, a retired international flight attendant and purser (head flight attendant). She has written a book called "Methodical Illusion"

    http://www.methodicalillusion.com/
    http://www.amazon.com/dp/0982757131/

    I had a chance, given a sudden load of work related to house-painting, to listen to the interviews (playable or downloadable from the links below). The guys running the show are not what I'd call the highest caliber hosts, and there's a lot of informality, but Ms. Roth is very good, and what she had to say riveted me.

    After she retired after 30 years as a flight attendant, she started writing a novel to tell about life in the skies. In the process, she did a web search to come up with a Middle Eastern name for one of the characters, and ran across references to a large proportion of the alleged 9/11 hijackers still being alive. It apparently changed her life, leading her ever deeper into the proverbial 9/11 rabbit hole.

    Her perspective is unique in the world of 9/11 research. She comes at it from the point of view of a person intimately familiar with the way the airline industry runs at the level of what goes on in flights.

    On 9/11, she'd been grounded along with the other thousands of airline personnel, and spent a lot of time watching the whole thing on TV. She had hit her first level of cognitive dissonance (she seems to call it "cognitive dissidence") when she saw the second plane hit. She thought maybe it was trick photography -- a plane made of thin aluminum shouldn't have pierced the heavy steel perimeter columns. But she suppressed this -- being in the air all the time made thinking about the implications too difficult. And she stayed that way until that fateful web search for a name.

    Since then, she has run into all the "usual" information those of us involved in 9/11-related work have become familiar with, and has incorporated it into her novel. But her perspective is radically different from the rest of us.

    She knew that cellphone calls couldn't possibly have been made from the planes as described, and knew intimately the practical limitations of on-board seat-back phones, so all the claims about these calls made no sense to her.

    Most of us have concluded that the calls were done with some kind of voice-morphing and caller-id-spoofing technology. The calmness of most of the callers and the absence of any cabin noise were always problematic. But while the rest of us couldn't come up with an alternative, she has.

    In the interviews, she lays out an excellent detailed analysis of every call -- particularly NY flights 11 & 175 in interview 3 and flights 77 & 93 in interview 4. She looks at the FAA records of the alleged movements of the planes, zeroing in on the times the calls were made, most of which were made when planes were supposedly descending so rapidly all kinds of things would have been going on that weren't happening in the calls. Her knowledge of the layout, procedures and practicality of 767s and 757s -- their length and width, who was sitting where, who could or couldn't have seen what they were describing, how quickly mace or perfumes would fill the entire plane, etc. -- opens up a whole new window into those calls.

    She also goes into detail on the "Flight Termination" technology available at the time -- ironically intended to prevent hijackings -- by which a ground controller could take complete control and communication ability away from the crew. She believes that there were no hijackings and that the flight termination mechanism was used.

    Her remarkable conclusion is that the calls were made on the ground, that all four planes were on the ground shortly after they took off, and at least one was in a hangar (a caller referred to a man "coming down the stairs"). The final blockbuster for her turned up in a recording of Flight 93 attendant C.C. Lyles. At the very end, a woman's voice says very quietly something like "that was very good." The frequency of certain specific phrases among all the calls imply to her that people were reading from scripts, and she infers from this that they were probably told they were participating in a drill (we all know there were many exercises going on that morning).

    From the timing of the calls, she determined how far the planes could have reached from their point of origin, and then figured out where they had to have landed. I haven't yet received my shipment of the book, so I don't know her location proposal yet, but expect it will be interesting.

    The inescapable conclusion is that the passengers and flight crew are indeed dead, but were killed in some other way than a plane crash. The thought is extremely disquieting, but pales by comparison with the deliberate murders of all the other people who died on and after 9/11 as a result of the event.*

    Also interesting will be getting more detail on something else she claims to have run into -- references to the next big event, which will be taking place in many cities sometime next May.

    She also is very well-informed on the financial aspects of 9/11 -- the movement of massive amounts of gold out of the World Trade Center, the destruction of the $240 billion in "Brady Bonds," the insurance fraud. And she provides the evidence that has convinced her that Israel was one of the main players on that day.

    If you have the time or interest, the interviews are one of the more interesting ways you might spend time.
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Hi Paul,

    Would like some clarification on this comment as it is something I've been piecing together over the past several years:

    Quote Also interesting will be getting more detail on something else she claims to have run into -- references to the next big event, which will be taking place in many cities sometime next May.
    My question: Is that referring to this year or next year?

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    Found this:

    During the anniversary of Osama Bin Laden's (supposed) death by the Navy Seals, from May 2nd for 9 days until May 11 (notice the 9-11), 5 or 6 major cities in the United states will be hit with a combination of Biological, Chemical, and/or Nuclear weapons.

    No mention of year.
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Quote Posted by Harley (here)
    Hi Paul,

    Would like some clarification on this comment as it is something I've been piecing together over the past several years:

    Quote Also interesting will be getting more detail on something else she claims to have run into -- references to the next big event, which will be taking place in many cities sometime next May.
    My question: Is that referring to this year or next year?
    That quote of "mainer" (from his synopsis of Rebekah) would be from December 2014, so he would be referring to May 2015.
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Near the end of her "Methodical Illusions" book, she has a character (Attorney General Rathburn, speaking to the President) say:
    Quote This explains some things that were making no sense to the FBI, there have been several troubling incongruencies in our intelligence that we could not fully explain. Based on what I heard on the tape, I believe now they will most likely strike, Las Vegas, Houston, Chicago, San Francisco, Billings and right here in D.C. Our intelligence made no sense to me until hearing this tape. Now, I believe Las Vegas quite possbily could be targeted for some type of nuclear detonation. Houston oil refineries and pipelines are in danger of conventional explosives that will affect domestic oil supplies and national reserves. Chicago, quite possibly, is where they intend to launch a biological weapon, most likely in a large shopping mall. Much like the symbolic World Trade Center shopping towers, San Francisco is in danger of losing the iconic Golden Gate Bridge. Billings, Montana quite possibly will be the target of a chemical agent to prove to Americans that even small towns are no longer safe. And D.C.'s primary target is you, sir. These attacks, I believe, are set to happen in short succession, with one or possibly two days between each event. By the end of a nine day period fear will reign and the country will be in total chaos. It appears that the grand finale will be your assassination, Mr. President. Someone or several people in this town are most likely very deeply involved with this cabal and its destructive agenda.
    The "tape" referred to is a secretly recorded rant by a high level Israelie that ended up being listened to by the President and his more trusted advisors. The "President" was not Obama, but a patriotic, Constitution respecting, man who had replaced him, after an earlier impeachment in the book, during 2014.

    Some of the above is (and I hope remains) fiction .
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Paul, I'm having a little intuitive feeling that this part of the story in this thread may possibly be connected to Jade Helm 15 story in the realistic military training slated for 7 states thread.

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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Thanks Paul for bringing this well organised package of material together. I am going to now listen to these interviews and read much more.

    My question at this juncture is, how come Rebecca Roth has managed to stay unharmed through bringing this research into the main? Max Igan always reminds me to ask this of any source that brings information to light. Why has Rebecca been 'allowed' to continue bringing her findings 'out' ? For what purpose? Who benefits?

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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

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    Paul, I'm having a little intuitive feeling that this part of the story in this thread may possibly be connected to Jade Helm 15 story in the realistic military training slated for 7 states thread.
    My intuition on that training exercise is that it's yet another example of over-hyping the routine (while what we should really be worried about continues onward, obscured from our clear view.)
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

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    My question at this juncture is, how come Rebecca Roth has managed to stay unharmed through bringing this research into the main? Max Igan always reminds me to ask this of any source that brings information to light. Why has Rebecca been 'allowed' to continue bringing her findings 'out' ? For what purpose? Who benefits?
    She came on the scene rapidly, with a first edition novel that she avoided even allowing someone else to edit. She did her best to stay below the radar until then. Subsequently, all she's done is to make the interview rounds, as quickly as she could, discussing her book.

    Only if she really has something serious, still in the works and yet unpublished, would I expect her life is in serious danger. But she's ready if that comes, cracking jokes about drone strikes.

    The ones at greatest risk seem, to me, to be those who (1) get on a watch list for publicizing one thing, (2) get a name for themselves, so that what they said is widely seen and given some credibility, and then (3) are seen, by the secret surveillance, to have something further to release that simply cannot be allowed out.

    P.S. -- also at risk, those who know too much, and are known to know too much, and let it become visible that they are planning to "spill the beans", and those who are acquiring too much power, but who are out "out of control".
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

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    My intuition on that training exercise is that it's yet another example of over-hyping the routine (while what we should really be worried about continues onward, obscured from our clear view.)
    I would normally agree with this statement Paul, except for one thing:

    This particular exercise, of this size and magnitude, is far from "routine".

    Quote Posted by Zebra (here)
    Thanks Paul for bringing this well organised package of material together. I am going to now listen to these interviews and read much more.

    My question at this juncture is, how come Rebecca Roth has managed to stay unharmed through bringing this research into the main? Max Igan always reminds me to ask this of any source that brings information to light. Why has Rebecca been 'allowed' to continue bringing her findings 'out' ? For what purpose? Who benefits?

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    Hi Debra,

    The reason why is because, although she is an insider with experience, she is not (as far as I've seen) presenting any hard/incriminating evidence in the way of official documents, photos/videos, audio recordings, etc along with her testimony.

    Compare her case to, oh let's say Chelsea (Bradley) Manning, Edward Snowden , or even Julian Assange and you'll understand better what I mean.

    An insider can present their information/testimony as long as they don't present any incriminating evidence because, through the use of the internet and the mainstream media, it makes it very easy (for the Authority) to turn the insider into just another debunkable 'Crack-Pot' 'Conspiracy Theorist'.

    We learn these things.

    If a person is really interested in what has or is going on, even though no proof is being offered, who would you trust more - Someone like "Sorcha Faal", or an experienced insider?

    But one thing to always keep in mind: Insiders are Human too.

    Well mostly!

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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    I'm certainly not going to place any wagers that you're wrong, Harley .
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Not trying to prove anyone is wrong Paul. As I kinda said earlier, I have something gnawing at me.

    And I agree with Rebekah Roth where she said the script writers need to learn to be on the same page and also that they're doing a piss-poor job of placing their evidence.


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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

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    Not trying to prove anyone is wrong Paul. As I kinda said earlier, I have something gnawing at me.
    No problem what so ever

    (Well, no problem here and now, between us. There's some big problems elsewhere on this planet.)
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Another fine interview of Rebekah Roth, from just a couple of days ago:

    At the 21:10 mark, she clarifies further how she determined the location where the planes landed. The first call, from American Airlines Flight 11, that would be the flight that hit the North Tower, was made 20 minutes after that flight left Logan (Boston), destined for Los Angeles, 2617 miles (4211 km) away.

    Since the cell phone call had to have been made from the ground, and since the plane was fueled for a long flight, it must have been a long runway (to land a large passenger plane heavy with fuel), close to Boston (for the times to work.)

    The other 3 flights, another from Logan, and one each from Newark and Dulles airports, also fit the timing, from take off, to landing at Westover, to when the cell phone calls were made by crew or passengers from them.

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    P.S. -- Keep listening. Rebekah goes into more detail of the calls and the flights in the above interview than I have heard before.
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

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    Near the end of her "Methodical Illusions" book, she has a character (Attorney General Rathburn, speaking to the President) say:
    Quote This explains some things that were making no sense to the FBI, there have been several troubling incongruencies in our intelligence that we could not fully explain. Based on what I heard on the tape, I believe now they will most likely strike, Las Vegas, Houston, Chicago, San Francisco, Billings and right here in D.C. Our intelligence made no sense to me until hearing this tape. Now, I believe Las Vegas quite possbily could be targeted for some type of nuclear detonation. Houston oil refineries and pipelines are in danger of conventional explosives that will affect domestic oil supplies and national reserves. Chicago, quite possibly, is where they intend to launch a biological weapon, most likely in a large shopping mall. Much like the symbolic World Trade Center shopping towers, San Francisco is in danger of losing the iconic Golden Gate Bridge. Billings, Montana quite possibly will be the target of a chemical agent to prove to Americans that even small towns are no longer safe. And D.C.'s primary target is you, sir. These attacks, I believe, are set to happen in short succession, with one or possibly two days between each event. By the end of a nine day period fear will reign and the country will be in total chaos. It appears that the grand finale will be your assassination, Mr. President. Someone or several people in this town are most likely very deeply involved with this cabal and its destructive agenda.
    The "tape" referred to is a secretly recorded rant by a high level Israelie that ended up being listened to by the President and his more trusted advisors. The "President" was not Obama, but a patriotic, Constitution respecting, man who had replaced him, after an earlier impeachment in the book, during 2014.

    Some of the above is (and I hope remains) fiction .
    At the 1 hour, 8 minute, 40 second mark in the latest interview I just posted above, Rebekah goes into the detail of how she learned of this planned attack on 5 or 6 major US cities, May 2 through May 11, 2015.
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