Wandering Jupiter accounts for our unusual solar system

[swoods_blue]

So this topic is interesting to me because it mainstreams ideas of a dynamic early solar system where planets moved about, were destroyed, and the like. In other words, it wasn't always the way we see it today. You can view it as a baby step along the road to disclosure, if you're an optimist.

Anyhow, here are a few sources on this interesting story:

U-C Santa Cruz: Wandering Jupiter accounts for our unusual solar system
Caltech: New Research Suggests Solar System May Have Once Harbored Super-Earths
ScienceNews: Earth, neighbors weren’t the first rocky planets in the solar system


The stories themselves sound less emphatic than the headlines, and make clear that this is a POSSIBLE explanation based on simulations. To this layman, it's a pretty complicated explanation involving Jupiter and Saturn being drawn inward, and then spiraling outward.

Now that Astronomers have multiple examples of OTHER solar systems to compare to ours, it seems that we appear to be less and less "normal" as solar systems go. For example, we appear to have a "gaping hole" inside Mercury's orbit, where other systems are packed with short-period planets, many of them massive (hot jupiters).

Of course, it's worth noting that our planet-detection methods have a serious bias toward finding close-in, short-year planets.

[Snoweagle]

This is awesome news. Not that the released information is any way definitive but is still confirmative of the prospect of continual change experienced by our Solar System in our recent past.

I contend with this data will be released over time the detailed events that brought about the loss of the dinosaurs to our present day and it was not that long ago.

One very serious piece of information missing from these links is that the Cosmos is ELECTRICAL. Everything in the Cosmos interacts through an electrical plasma. No Mechanical Engineering or Science is truly needed as every physical constant in all of our sciences is entirely related to the bunkum of Isaac newton, Einsteinian and modern extrapolations. It is all electrical plasma.

The ancients described their Sun as being Saturn in a binary system with another, which according to the prognosis of the articles listed is likely to have been Jupiter. Our planet flourished and there were little or no seas or oceans, plenty of natural running water but nothing of the scale we have today. The oceans arrived awhile after Saturn and Jupiter were likely extinguished by the passing of another star (scholz's star) into or near to the binary pair. This reaction released the planets into freefall and it appears another unfortunate planet passed to close to the visitor and erupted into a nes Sun, the one we have today.

When Saturn exinguished was the birth of all our continents, they were sucked up from the mantle in great catastrophic plasma fields with liquifacted all matter and raised what we know our continental shelves.

The Earth was on its side compared to what we percieve it to be today and the Pacific Basin was the side which did not face Saturn during this event and remained unaffected. Pangea is a load of bollucks and so is tectonic movement.

This was the time of the the original thirty foot giants, Dinosaurs and this was their demise. The DNA of all life immediately changed almost overnight as these plasma fluctuations took place. This is seen in the anthromorphic tree of species. Each lifeform changed over time.

So now the Earth, with it's new continents with hundreds of thousands (millions) of BURIED GIANTS and lifeforms, buried during the liquifaction process (they are still there today, particularly in Africa) continued on it's careering path to a new orbit (seeking the plasmic zone of balance enforcing an orbit) around the new Sun. This is the period in Geology of the missing 500 million years in the records as during this time the planet was in "stasis", all lifeforms existed in the slow cook of the gentle plasma change of the Earths approach.

But other planets were doing ths same, Thornhill at the Electric Universe Project and others have detailed the changes in the skies above in artefacts left by our ancestors. But the Earth had another problem, on a similar trajectory to us was the Moon, and it was chasing the Earth too to an orbit of it's own. The gravitaional influences (plasma) of each conjugated to attract one another.

This is how we picked up the Moon. Each time we came close the planet Earth erupted with the same liquifaction but on matter changing scale with tornados of molten rocks raising up off the planet and burning the surface of the Moon. (Devils Causeway, Northern Ireland, Vietnam, etc). The Russian Stonehenge was formed by mega discahrges of molten rock crashing down onto the ground in succesive staccato discharges like lightning never seen before in mans memory. Chinese dragons were megatons of molten rocks carried into the upper ionosphere and falling back to the surface again, the people must have been terrified as these would have decimated landscapes.

The mid Atlantic trench during this was spewing oceans of water into the sky and caused the many floods written in our past.

Anyways, I do go on at times, but I think you have an idea of where I am going with this.

This did not happen once. When the Moon and Earth attracted they embarked on a merry spin bobbling to and fro still in a direction that suited each but always denied settling as they passed each other over and over again. Many times was the destruction and each time mankind changed. From Giants to men.

Gilgamesh and the walled artifact depicting Annunaki - LOAD OF COBBLERS and BUNKUM. That artefact represented on the left hand side man as we know him today being educated to serve "harvesting" under a single sun, even with the planet number disparity. On the right hand side depicted a GIANT crippled by a new change in electrical plasma on a throne of the Binary system when mankind were telepaths.

Teoitachan and all the pyramid structures were built as Observatories and they were watching the Moon as it made its slow approach. The Mayans went extinct as the Moon came too close and the people were extinguished, evaporated, there was no where to hide.

The ley lines from Easter island all the way through South America, across the UK and into northern Europe were caused during one of these passes. The material of the Easter Island statues had been "electrically hardened" by the massive plasma influence and explaind why even today the island is still a magnetic anomaly. Sea levels were much lower when they were erected and the purpose of them were to act as lightning discharge points to protect communities further afield. They knew what was coming. They learnt from previous passes. Sea levels rose and the survivors living there had no means of escape.

Nazca lines are another example of survivors being washed up into the mountains and jungles of what we know as South America, follow the ecological relationship of each of the pictograms, each begets another, draw them and put them in order. They were drawn by GIANTS. The "airfields", were not for landing (bollocks), they defined the NORTH POLE of the magnetic field as they understood the relationship between and magnetism and gravity as they are one and the same thing.

So anyway - NO ALIENS INVOLVED - just plasma, electricity, wavelength, frequency and heap loads of harmonic conjugation.

Sitchin made a mistake in translation - am being kind

Adams calender, South Africa, all those corrals which men would climb over by standing on the back of elephants, of super hard ringing stone, under each at depth is a massive gold seam sucked into existence by those same plasma birbeck charges banging away all over the place.

So there is a slow creep of information now, I just wish they would hurry up.


Scholz's Star buzzed the Solar System

[sigma6]

The mathematics of our solar system, in particular the moon measurements, are literally out of this world and statistically impossible to call random... Ironically I have never seen a proper presentation of this... ie.. Richard Hoagland where are you when we need you!!! I would like to see Mr. Hoagland up there with a blackboard... going over the numbers with diagrams, and thorough extrapolations. I am certain it would blow people away... and then if he followed that up with another analysis and explanation of the Moon's gravity in that Time Magazine Article (?) by Werner Von Braun just before he got turfed from NASA... (did he have a change of heart? - as per Caroline Rosin)

Then the Earth itself... 365 days in a year.. yet ancient calendars were based on 360 days... o.O! Did the Earth rotate around the Sun every 360 days at one time? Which is an ideal number mathematically for calculating degrees in a circle, or am I being a little egocentric there?... maybe... This may be a fine point, but if man's abstraction of external reality (in measurement for example) can conform to mathematical principles, at the very least it holds logic (logos) (as per Ayn Rand's Objectivist Epistemology) and when those numbers are impossibly perfect like the moon measurement, ratios, etc... it beggers the imagination. Is a logical proof unto itself (prima facie...)

i.e. the proof of non randomness alone, creates a huge problem, that then requires certain secret society members of the University Academia, who are paid handsomely, to mislead us away from the simple truths, in order to maintain their precious "Control of the Distribution of Information" In this case the truth about the Cosmos, like the Orangutan in Planet of the Apes... that is what he was a symbol of (Secret Society Control) This same dysfunctional strategy and contamination of pure science is used to explain away the reason why Pi exists in the architecture of The Great Pyramids as being "purely coincidental"... which if properly explained and understood would be quite simply, mathematically, impossible to have happened randomly.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

That totally backs up the story presented in the book "Cradle of Saturn" by James P Hogan.
my boss's boss in the air force told me to read that one. he insisted and asked about it a lot lol.
<3 Charlie.

anyhow in Cradle of Saturn, scientists who migrate to a moon of Saturn to escape cronyism on earth,
find out that Jupiter DID destroy the ancient solar system (practically at least), it did wander and in fact used to unload things called "protoplanets" in hazardous directions.

in the novel, the scientists re-colonize one of saturn;s moons JUST BEFORE jupiter craps out a proto planet called Athena, on a collision course with earth. (!!)
and yah earth gets the banhammer. account no longer active etc. byebye humans.





boom...

Pallas, minor-planet designation 2 Pallas, is the second asteroid to have been discovered (after Ceres), and it is one of the largest asteroids in the Solar System. It is estimated to comprise 7% of the mass of the asteroid belt,[14] and its diameter of 544 kilometres (338 mi) is slightly larger than that of 4 Vesta. It is 10–30% less massive than Vesta,[7] placing it third among the asteroids. It is likely a remnant protoplanet.

When Pallas was discovered by astronomer Heinrich Wilhelm Matthäus Olbers on March 28, 1802, it was counted as a planet, as were other asteroids in the early 19th century. The discovery of many more asteroids after 1845 eventually led to their reclassification.

The Palladian surface appears to be a silicate material; the surface spectrum and estimated density resemble carbonaceous chondrite meteorites. The Palladian orbit, at 34.8°, is unusually highly inclined to the plane of the asteroid belt, and the orbital eccentricity is nearly as large as that of Pluto, making Pallas relatively inaccessible to spacecraft.[a][16]

its true

Prominent among the components present in chondrites are the enigmatic chondrules, millimetre-sized spherical objects that originated as freely floating, molten or partially molten droplets in space; most chondrules are rich in the silicate minerals olivine and pyroxene.

Chondrites also contain refractory inclusions (including Ca-Al Inclusions), which are among the oldest objects to form in the solar system, particles rich in metallic Fe-Ni and sulfides, and isolated grains of silicate minerals. The remainder of chondrites consists of fine-grained (micrometre-sized or smaller) dust, which may either be present as the matrix of the rock or may form rims or mantles around individual chondrules and refractory inclusions. Embedded in this dust are presolar grains, which predate the formation of our solar system and originated elsewhere in the galaxy. The chondrites have distinct texture, composition and mineralogy and their origin continues to be the object of some debate.[11]

The scientific community generally accepts that these spheres were formed by the action of a shock wave that passed through the Solar System, although there is little agreement as to the cause of this shock wave.[12] An article published in 2005 proposed that the gravitational instability of the gaseous disk that Jupiter formed from generated a shock wave with a velocity of more than 10 km/s, which resulted in the formation of the chondrules.[13]

eek

The hottest alien planet yet known may create a shock wave-like shield to protect itself against the atmosphere-stripping side effects of circling close to its parent star, a new study suggests.

http://www.space.com/11427-hot-alien...shockwave.html

Scientists using computer simulations to explain observations of the ultrahot alien planet WASP-12b located around a star 867 light-years from Earth say the exoplanet could be pushing a shock wave — called a bow shock — ahead of it as it plows through a supersonic headwind while orbiting its star. The effect is similar to the shock wave ahead of a supersonic aircraft.

planets might be living things! with immune system that we call a force field lol


p.p.s. these shock waves are SO hazardous btw, it's the same concept as the Lockerbie Bombing that shattered the airplane over scotland,

when a protoplanet releases one of these it's game over for older life.
in fact given the intelligent planet theory, it's part of starting a new game.
the planet does this to kill life on competing planets

p.s. lately i've taken to praying to the heavenly bodies a bit how about you people.



p.s. read about accidents with CERN and shock wave scenarios here lol: https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelc...ERS/WEAZ07.PDF

[Snoweagle]

Your comment shows how we are trapped in the paradigm of our mathematics being definitive in respect of other worlds which are beyond our current comprehension. Science tells us some neutron stars are made of diamond well that isn't quite correct only a mantle would be diamond and the other fields would be electrical energy in the form of plasma constantly intereacting as we see in our "soft" world of Earth. By this same token there would be others made of gold or silicon and so on. The problem is in respect of these examples is the field strength for us to go there safely or even understand the mechanisms in that region.

Stop looking to others to solve the problem for you, take your ideas to them. Richard Hoagland is good but am not wholly impressed.

I do not believe aliens were ever involved in humanities change, no evidence exists, only the churlish murmurings of speculative interpretations and people really have to find for themselves by engaging in debate.

The Moons arrival created all of our mountain ranges, the crystal caves, the Chinese pillar mountains, the Grand Canyon, which the arrival would have easily caused as well as changes across all the other continents.

By looking at the mathematics and focussing on the spot of detail, the reader will see the spot but miss everything else. We must focus on the rest. All this nonsense of the argument that there is Dark Matter or Dark Energy and the debate wobbles between the two is all based on false science. Why would our brightest minds fail on this issue. Only because they are trapped in the same peer reviewed discipline of rules that they aspire their greatness, yet constantly miss the truth.

How many planets were destroyed to form the asteroid belt, records show three masses depositing 'roids into the belt. They did not blow up or collide. Planets do not crash into one another, that is virtually impossible. They DISCHARGE just as we see in the cosmos. When they discharge, matter metamorphise into something else, the collapse of what we know as the electromagnetic spectrum governing our world disappears right off the scale we know, beyond the scope of our current worldly instruments.

Where does mathematics sit when the Earth did not have a rotation. How would you define a "second" or any other component of time. The ancients lived for hundreds of years, how do we know it was hundreds of years if our planets past did not have a clock as we have today. So what does that tell you of the problem we have to consider in solving this disparity in understanding.

[panopticon]

Jupiter's migration key to our unique solar system
by Stuart Gary. Tuesday, 24th March 2015



Earth and the other terrestrial planets are late arrivals, forming only after the original planets of the inner solar system were destroyed, according to a new model explaining our solar system's unique architecture.

The study reported in the Journal PNAS, tries to explain why the solar system looks so different from all the other planetary systems scientists have observed so far.

"We are more or less a galactic anomaly," says the study's lead author Dr Konstantin Batygin of the California Institute of Technology.

"Systems like the solar system are a minority, so when we ask ourselves how common are 'truly' Earth-like planets, with Earth masses, hard surfaces, and small atmospheres, the answer is they're not very common at all."

The new model by Batygin and co-author Dr Greg Laughlin of the University of California Santa Cruz, shows the terrestrial planets Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars, must have formed hundreds of millions of years after the Sun and the rest of the solar system.

"They were forming when there was no more gas around, which is why we have a rather clear atmosphere, in sharp contrast to extra solar planets that we observe," says Batygin.

The inward planetary migration of Jupiter early in the solar system's history may have been responsible for this anomaly.

Why are we different

Batygin and Laughlin saw that about half of all planetary systems orbiting Sun-like stars feature large populations of 'super-Earth' sized planets which are thought to have substantial gaseous atmospheres.

The authors also noted that these planets were on orbits far closer to their host stars than the 88 day orbit of Mercury, the nearest planet to the Sun.

"If the dominant mode of planet formation is one that produces super-Earths on short period orbits, is it natural to assume that such planets existed in the early solar system?" asks Batygin.

"If so, what happened to clear the inner solar system of these first generation of planets?"

Batygin and Laughlin developed a model showing how the inward planetary migration of Jupiter early in the solar system's history would have triggered the destruction of all the original planets of the inner solar system.

The authors found that the gravitational interactions caused by Jupiter's journey, sent the solar system's original inner planets crashing into each other, causing them to smash apart, with the resulting debris falling into the Sun.

Then, the formation of Saturn, caused a gravitational interaction which drew Jupiter back out again to its current orbit.

"When Jupiter and Saturn move in and then out of the inner solar system, it initiated a collisional cascade in the inner solar system," says Batygin.

"As it moves inwards, Jupiter would have picked up about ten Earth masses worth of planetesimals along the way which would have been crushed due to collisions among the planetesimals."

A new beginning

Over the following hundreds of millions of years, the small amount of material left behind from this catastrophic event, coalesced to form the four small terrestrial worlds of Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars.

"This explains why the solar system's inner planets are so small and contain such thin atmospheres, compared to those seen in other planetary systems," says Batygin.

The Jupiter planetary migration hypothesis was originally developed to explain the structure of the asteroid belt, why Mars' mass is smaller than that of the Earth, and to understand the distribution of bodies in the outer solar system, including the orbits of Uranus and Neptune.

"We were not focusing on Jupiter and Saturn's early migration, we were interested in what makes the solar system unique, but it turns out Jupiter and Saturn's migration was the answer," says Batygin.

"It's very satisfying to have arrived at an idea which has already been proposed to explain other features of the solar system."

Source

[swoods_blue]

What a fascinating batch of replies -- I'm surprised, pleased and appreciate the thought you all put in.

I haven't heard the theory that Jupiter and Saturn are extinguished stars. I'm not sure how one would prove such ideas, but they are intriguing.

Thanks everyone!

[Ernie Nemeth]

Well, that was weird. Wrote a comment and posted it - no one had yet replied to this thread. As I posted four others also posted and my post vanished - strange. I'm not writing all that again.

I'll just say: remember Immanuel Velivkosky.


edit to add: weirder still...I just found this portion of the post I lost - listed in my post list!

Yes, it is not the first time the idea of migrating planets has been cited in the formation of the planets. Immanuel Velikovsky used migrating planets as the hallmark of his theories - for which he...

[Hervé]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Well, that was weird. Wrote a comment and posted it - no one had yet replied to this thread. As I posted four others also posted and my post vanished - strange. I'm not writing all that again.

I'll just say: remember Immanuel Velivkosky.

Apologies Ernie, that might have happened at the moment I merged Pan's thread with this other one, at Pan's request.