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    Default Whats your definition of false flag?

    I don't fully understand the term False flag.
    Regardless it appears that it is true that people get hurt die etc.

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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    Greetings
    I suppose classically it would be when one group perpetrates the atrocity and because investigation is compromised TPTB are able to attribute blame to whatever group THEY choose.
    These horrors are only inflicted because people accept the delusion that atrocity is a valid response to atrocity.

    One could broaden the definition a la German Wings to include an atrocity where the general assumption is that it was a random accident, but one elite is aware that another elite were behind it.(one elite threatening another)
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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    Quote Posted by Baby Steps (here)
    Greetings
    I suppose classically it would be when one group perpetrates the atrocity and because investigation is compromised TPTB are able to attribute blame to whatever group THEY choose.
    These horrors are only inflicted because people accept the delusion that atrocity is a valid response to atrocity.

    One could broaden the definition a la German Wings to include an atrocity where the general assumption is that it was a random accident, but one elite is aware that another elite were behind it.(one elite threatening another)
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    Thank you Baby Steps that is very clear and helpful.
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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    A false flag is when a STATE, not group, commits an act of aggression against their own people or another state or group and blames it on someone else as a pretext to expand the conflict or achieve some nefarious goal(s). See 9/11, OKC, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, London bombing, etc, etc

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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I don't fully understand the term False flag.
    Regardless it appears that it is true that people get hurt die etc.

    Chris
    Hey Chris,

    The wikipedia page is quite good for "false flag":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    Just a way to inslave you, is there a real flag ? Against what ?
    Just zombies led by their past.

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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?





    Check this thread: False Flag 101

    So, in the end, it isn't MY, YOUR or THEIR definition that counts but the actual description of the original object or event a word or expression is cast to be the name of.

    Hence, if a chair is defined as something one uses to rest from standing upright, whether it's a four-legged wooden contraption or a boulder doesn't really matter. It's a chair or something used as. A mill stone, as such, wouldn't be called a chair unless someone sits on it to take a break.
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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    The term "false flag" come from the idea of a naval operation, where you take a ship and place on it the flag of another nation and then attack your own people, to give them the illusion that they are being attacked by "the enemy". I believe that Dick Cheney was looking to do precisely this with Iran, to use American ships to attack other American ships in the Gulf of Aden, and make it look like "the Iranians" were starting a war, giving the USA and excuse to invade Iran and garnering popular support.

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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    Good one, 'False Flag' in the military sense is attacking someone
    else and blaming them , as an excuse to retaliate and attack them
    which was your plan in the first place and there are many examples
    of this it the modern age from the sinking of the Maine in Havana
    harbour to 9/11 and now ISIL and other agendas.

    When False Flags Don't Fly




    The term has been broadened as more people are becoming
    familiar with the term to incorporate other areas , which would of
    been covered by other titles like spin , propaganda, regime change etc .
    Like Sandy Hook , ISIS,the Ukraine and other manipulated events
    that are part of a greater plan . Or as these articles suggest from
    David Icke' headline page ,and there are much the same most days
    taken from mainstream and alternate sources.

    When a country or as we suspect more sinister groups manipulating
    behind the scenes for power , control , corporate profits from the
    mil ind complex , climate control to pharma and farming etc.

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

    These stories would of been random events in the past,
    some possibly connected , and some were genuine.
    But with the web more people are seeing how these
    events and others in the past seem to be linked , which
    you could say were generated to create and cause an
    effect , like 'Problem Reaction Solution ' and some
    of them could come under the broader term of 'false
    flag' operations , depending on the agendas of those
    committing the acts.

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    Friday 27th March 2015 at 10:28 By David Icke

    Neocon John Bolton denounces Iran talks, calls for military actionFriday 27th March 2015 at 10:28 By David Icke

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    British state ‘involved in mass murder on British soil, colluded
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    These are not direct 'false flags' but for me are all
    part of the same meme. You may not agree and think
    they are separate events , which some are but the
    term 'False Flag event ' has a wider meaning than
    the dictionary definition imo.....
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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    Good question Gregbeard, here's the Wikipedia Definition of False Flag!
    "False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. Geraint Hughes uses the term to refer to those acts carried out by "military or security force personnel, which are then blamed on terrorists."[1]

    In its most modern usage, the term may also refer to those events which governments are cognizant of and able to stop but choose to allow to happen (or "stand down"), as a strategy to entangle or prepare the nation for war. Furthermore, the term "false flag terrorism" may even be used in those instances when violence is carried out by groups or organizations which, whether they know it or not, are being supported or controlled by the "victim" nation. deHaven-Smith argues that the terminology has become looser in recent years due to the increasingly complex levels of "duplicity" and "international intrigue" between states.[2] Some argue that false flags are methods used by deep states as a form of deep politics.[3]

    The name "false flag" has its origins in naval warfare where the use of a flag other than the belligerent's true battle flag as a ruse de guerre, before engaging the enemy, has long been accepted.[4] Such operations are also accepted in certain circumstances in land warfare, to deceive enemies in similar ways providing that the deception is not perfidious and all such deceptions are discarded before opening fire upon the enemy."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

    The best to you Chris.

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    This is interesting from yesterday and illustrates the point I
    was making above , and maybe why you asked for individuals
    interpretation of 'False flag' events.....

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




    The Tate Murders – The Psyop That Stifled a Generation
    Mar 25, 2015




    by Miles W. Mathis

    Of all the “conspiracy theories” I have run across over the years, amazingly this
    is not one of them. I searched the internet for anything on this theory and got
    nothing, even at Above Top Secret and sites like that. But now that we know
    many recent tragedies have been faked in Hollywood fashion, why not go back
    to previous decades, to see how long this has been going on?

    Before I start, let me say two things. One, we will have to study the crime scene
    photographs of Sharon Tate, but I will make it as easy on you as possible. They
    aren’t what you think anyway. I was apprehensive when I clicked on them for
    the first time, but I was very surprised. They aren’t at all what we have been
    led to believe. Even so, I will lead you in slowly, making a strong case that they
    are fake before you even take a look [If you want to skip ahead, go to p. 46]. By
    the time we get there, you will already be pretty sure they aren’t what they are
    supposed to be, and you won’t be afraid to look at them. Two, I will also prepare
    your mind and eyes by making it clear why the murders needed to be faked. It will
    be much easier for a reader to understand how they were faked once he or she
    understands why they were faked.


    A large article...Read more if you wish....


    http://www.zengardner.com/tate-murde...ed-generation/
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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    You also have mixed, neither true nor false flag scenarios such as those involving agent provocateurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur ), who may for instance infiltrate a peaceful demonstration in order to turn it violent. This I suppose would be the method used with drills that turn into the real thing. They might also include things like inciting young vandals to deface Jewish cemeteries. If such perpetrators were simply paid vandals just as others are paid killers, then no anti-Semitism need be the cause and only pro-Semitism would be the result.

    When the unmasking of this process reaches a certain scale, that has a wider effect on our very perception of what we took for reality; when we see that nothing is as it seems, we begin to focus on the big picture instead of being attached to and obsessed with collecting tiny details. Once the big picture is recognized as being a sham, we no longer have time for true flag operations either, and can move on to something altogether different.


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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    Im impressed by the clear and intelligent answers/definitions given.
    Im now much the wiser.
    Avalon is a good place to ask and get informed, accurate, response.

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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    Just to add, 'false-flag', 'agent-provocoteur', 'manufacturing consent' (AKA engineering public perception with an agenda), are all deception.
    The motto of the Mo$$ad is 'By Way of Deception - Thou Shalt do War'

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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    This is interesting from yesterday and illustrates the point I
    was making above , and maybe why you asked for individuals
    interpretation of 'False flag' events.....

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




    The Tate Murders – The Psyop That Stifled a Generation
    Mar 25, 2015




    by Miles W. Mathis

    Of all the “conspiracy theories” I have run across over the years, amazingly this
    is not one of them. I searched the internet for anything on this theory and got
    nothing, even at Above Top Secret and sites like that. But now that we know
    many recent tragedies have been faked in Hollywood fashion, why not go back
    to previous decades, to see how long this has been going on?

    Before I start, let me say two things. One, we will have to study the crime scene
    photographs of Sharon Tate, but I will make it as easy on you as possible. They
    aren’t what you think anyway. I was apprehensive when I clicked on them for
    the first time, but I was very surprised. They aren’t at all what we have been
    led to believe. Even so, I will lead you in slowly, making a strong case that they
    are fake before you even take a look [If you want to skip ahead, go to p. 46]. By
    the time we get there, you will already be pretty sure they aren’t what they are
    supposed to be, and you won’t be afraid to look at them. Two, I will also prepare
    your mind and eyes by making it clear why the murders needed to be faked. It will
    be much easier for a reader to understand how they were faked once he or she
    understands why they were faked.


    A large article...Read more if you wish....


    http://www.zengardner.com/help-suppo...donate-button/
    Very interesting article Cider, thank you. It explains why we have such overpopulation: all these deaths and murders that never really happened. Are you suggesting we transpose this to a plane crash? A couple of fighters to drop some confetti, a couple of eye-witnesses to report seeing a plane and Bob's your uncle - no fan hit the schist?

    Very good


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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    The most famous one I can think of is the one on the Moon or not

    seriously though like mpennery described.

    For that matter the ones flying over our countries, they no longer fly there for us or mean what they once did (or once we thought they did), they have all been subverted and falsified now!
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    Is when they say is raining but they are pissing on us...
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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    False flags have happened throughout the history everywhere. Here in Finland around the time of the the second world war there was this thing called Shelling of Mainila.

    Quote The Shelling of Mainila (Finnish: Mainilan laukaukset) was a military incident on November 26, 1939, where the Soviet Union's Red Army shelled the Russian village of Mainila (located near Beloostrov), declared that the fire originated from Finland across a nearby border and claimed to have had losses in personnel. Through that false flag operation the Soviet Union gained a great propaganda boost and a casus belli for launching the Winter War four days later.

    Background

    The Soviet Union had signed international and mutual nonaggression treaties with Finland: the Treaty of Tartu of 1920, the Non-aggression Pact between Finland and the Soviet Union signed in 1932 and again in 1934, and further the Charter of the League of Nations. The Soviet government attempted to adhere to a tradition of legalism, and a casus belli was required for war. Earlier in the same year, Nazi Germany had staged the similar Gleiwitz incident to generate an excuse to withdraw from its nonaggression pact with Poland. Also the Soviet war games held in March 1938 and 1939 had been based on a scenario where border incidents taking place exactly at the village of Mainila would have sparked the war.

    The incident

    Seven shots were fired, and their fall was detected by three Finnish observation posts. These witnesses estimated that the shells detonated approximately 800 meters inside Soviet territory. Finland proposed a neutral investigation of the incident, but the Soviet Union refused and broke diplomatic relations with Finland on November 29.

    Materials in the private archives of Soviet party leader Andrei Zhdanov heavily hint that the entire incident was orchestrated in order to paint Finland as an aggressor and launch an offensive. The Finnish side denied responsibility for the attacks and identified Soviet artillery as their source – indeed, the war diaries of nearby Finnish artillery batteries show that Mainila was out of range of all of them, as they had been withdrawn previously to prevent such incidents.

    In the days following the shelling, the Soviet propaganda machine generated much noise about other fictitious acts of Finnish aggression. The Soviet Union then renounced the non-aggression pact with Finland, and on November 30, 1939, launched the first offensives of the Winter War.

    Aftermath

    The Finns conducted an immediate investigation, which concluded that no Finnish artillery or mortars could have reached the village of Mainila. Field Marshal C.G.E. Mannerheim had ordered all Finnish guns drawn back out of range. Finnish border guards testified they had heard the sound of artillery fire from the Soviet side of the border.

    Russian historian Pavel Aptekar analyzed declassified Soviet military documents and found that the daily reports from troops located in the area did not report any losses in personnel during the time period in question, leading him to conclude that the shelling of Soviet troops was staged.

    Years after the incident, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev wrote that the Mainila shellings were organized by Artillery Marshal Grigory Kulik. In 1994, Russian President Boris Yeltsin denounced the Winter War, agreeing it had been a war of aggression.
    That war of course cost many Finnish and Russian lives, the estimation was that around 300 000 people died in that war, including Finnish and Russian soldiers. In the second war after that several hundreds of thousands of people died too. Russian troops had way more casualties overall, thanks goes to Stalin.

    It affected my grandparents, their parents and their whole generation and also the generations to come. Only because some people in high positions wanted to control others.
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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    September 11th, 2001

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    Default Re: Whats your definition of false flag?

    Actually, while 911 (up till now) has been the mother of all false-flags, the term as 'Kryztian' notes derives from naval vessels lowering their flag and replacing it with another country's flag so that the attacked ship's crew is misled to believe that they were attacked by a different nation so as to shift the blame elsewhere. While September 11th certainly qualifies in the broad strokes, in terms of a literal definition, the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty in an attempt to drag the United States into a war with Egypt is one of the better examples in the 20th Century.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...ssliberty.html

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