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    Don't get sucked into transhumanism for your children.

    Investigative reporter Jon Rappoport warned of alarming future trends in the genetic engineering of human beings. Based on his contacts with several scientists over a period of 20 years, he's concluded that human genetics research is basically a continuation of the Nazi eugenics program, and that medical research into genes as causes of human illness is simply a cover story.



    Part of this secret agenda, he detailed, is to demonstrate that people have genetic predispositions to certain diseases like cancer, so in the case of lawsuits, this argument can be made rather than placing blame for illness on environmental factors like pollution. In citing the book Remaking Eden, Rappoport noted that author Lee Silver foresees a time when the "gen-rich" (genetically enhanced class) will account for 10% of the population, while "naturals" will work as low paid service providers/laborers.

    Eventually, the gen-rich class and the naturals will become entirely separate species, with no ability to crossbreed, Silver continued, adding that the trend for genetic enhancement was inevitable. Rappoport had no doubt that some of this research was already underway, possibly under compartmentalized lab studies, so that scientists don't even realize the significance of what they're working on. "The best thing that could happen," he stated, "is that recognized doctors and researchers stand up together, and say, this has to stop."

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    Good thread Grannyfranny, we need more people who are aware and willing to fight for humanity.
    Far too many out there are actually working to destroy humanity and they are running out of ways to talk themselves out of it.

    Even CNN is waking up to some of the eugenics (indirectly) -- in a couple more years, it might be a more public issue.

    I'm grateful for any of the older, more knowledgeable people, who are engaged in this debate.
    When it's just kids it makes us look like geeky Conspiracy Theorists instead of researchers with an interest

    There were some extremely knowledgeable women your age at the autism seminar I attended a year back,
    and they were talking about GMOs (between each other).

    I would love to see more of it become mainstream information.

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    Thanks, Grannyfranny. I haven't watched the video yet, but the United States, too, was heavily into eugenics even before WWI

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenic..._United_States

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    Just love Jon Rappoport's work. Really don't know how he has managed to stay alive, but there is protection from the STO's - up to a point.

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    I've not had a chance to watch the video and this is more of a place holder post so I can find it again.

    Tesla pointed that there might be a link between GMO & ASD.

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    There were some extremely knowledgeable women your age at the autism seminar I attended a year back, and they were talking about GMOs (between each other).

    I would love to see more of it become mainstream information.
    I had a bit if a think about that Tesla and thought maybe I might be able to give a bit of input.

    I live in Tasmania, Australia. It's a large island off the south of Australia and is fairly "green".

    A "Liberal" government (similar to the US Republicans) where elected a year ago.

    They just re-extended the moratorium on both GMO's & Fracking for another 5 years (out to 2020).

    If there was an impact on autism from GMO's I'd expect to see lower rates of autism in Tasmania then the Mainland.

    When I reviewed the Bureau of Statistics for ASD based on 2012 statistics I found this was not the case.



    While there are lots of variables and the figures may reflect better testing or more flexibility in spectrum recognition/defining in Tasmania, it seems strange that the proportional numbers are toward the higher end.

    Most of the cooking oil used here is shipped in from the mainland so there's probably GM canola in some of the refined oil and that's just one example, so I'm definitely not saying this is definitive...

    Just something I thought might be of interest to others.

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    GMO would have an impact in autism because it kills the guts bacteria (as it kills insects) that are used to have a sane digestion, well absorbed micro nutrients and minerals, and a sane gut altogether, not a leaky guts - a sane gut does not allow undigested food in the bloodstream, a leaky gut does. Undigested food molecule put the immune system in overdrive, taking the food molécules for parasites and trying to kill it. Which in turn leads to inflammation of the gut and the whole body, including the brain, which could be a factor in autism, as vaccins are due to inflammation and immune system overdrive. This is but only one possibility.

    HOwever, this would explain autism in Tansmania, if GMO oïl is consume and gut bacteria destroyed.

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    Here is an article from Scientific American about using thoughts (via computer) to control our genes:

    Thought-Controlled Genes Could Someday Help Us Heal

    Scientists combined a brain–computer interface with an optogenetic switch to create the first-ever brain–gene interface
    Feb 12, 2015 |By Simon Makin

    People can control prosthetic limbs, computer programs and even remote-controlled helicopters with their mind, all by using brain-computer interfaces. What if we could harness this technology to control things happening inside our own body? A team of bioengineers in Switzerland has taken the first step toward this cyborglike setup by combining a brain-computer interface with a synthetic biological implant, allowing a genetic switch to be operated by brain activity. It is the world's first brain-gene interface.

    The group started with a typical brain-computer interface, an electrode cap that can register subjects' brain activity and transmit signals to another electronic device. In this case, the device is an electromagnetic field generator; different types of brain activity cause the field to vary in strength. The next step, however, is totally new—the experimenters used the electromagnetic field to trigger protein production within human cells in an implant in mice.

    The implant uses a cutting-edge technology known as optogenetics. The researchers inserted bacterial genes into human kidney cells, causing them to produce light-sensitive proteins. Then they bioengineered the cells so that stimulating them with light triggers a string of molecular reactions that ultimately produces a protein called secreted alkaline phosphatase (SEAP), which is easily detectable. They then placed the human cells plus an LED light into small plastic pouches and inserted them under the skin of several mice.

    Human volunteers wearing electrode caps either played Minecraft or meditated, generating moderate or large electromagnetic fields, respectively, from a platform on which the mice stood. The field activates the implant's infrared LED, which triggers the production of SEAP. The protein then diffuses across membranes in the implant into the mice's bloodstream.

    Playing Minecraft produced moderate levels of SEAP in the mice's bloodstream, and meditating produced high levels. A third type of mental control, known as biofeedback, involved the volunteers watching the light, which could be seen through the mice's skin, and learning to consciously turn the LED on or off—thereby turning SEAP production on or off.

    “Combining a brain-computer interface with an optogenetic switch is a deceptively simple idea,” says senior author Martin Fussenegger of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, “but controlling genes in this way is completely new.” By using an implant, the setup harnesses the power of optogenetics without requiring the user to have his or her own cells genetically altered. Fussenegger and his co-authors envision therapeutic implants one day producing chemicals to correct a wide variety of dysfunctions: neurotransmitters to regulate mood or anxiety, natural painkillers for chronic or acute pain, blood-clotting factors for hemophiliacs, and so on. Some patients would benefit greatly from having conscious control over intravenous dosage rather than relying on sensors—especially in cases such as pain, which is hard for anyone but the sufferer to measure, or locked-in patients or others who are conscious but cannot communicate.

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    Don't get sucked into transhumanism for your children.

    Investigative reporter Jon Rappoport warned of alarming future trends in the genetic engineering of human beings. Based on his contacts with several scientists over a period of 20 years, he's concluded that human genetics research is basically a continuation of the Nazi eugenics program, and that medical research into genes as causes of human illness is simply a cover story.



    Part of this secret agenda, he detailed, is to demonstrate that people have genetic predispositions to certain diseases like cancer, so in the case of lawsuits, this argument can be made rather than placing blame for illness on environmental factors like pollution. In citing the book Remaking Eden, Rappoport noted that author Lee Silver foresees a time when the "gen-rich" (genetically enhanced class) will account for 10% of the population, while "naturals" will work as low paid service providers/laborers.

    Eventually, the gen-rich class and the naturals will become entirely separate species, with no ability to crossbreed, Silver continued, adding that the trend for genetic enhancement was inevitable. Rappoport had no doubt that some of this research was already underway, possibly under compartmentalized lab studies, so that scientists don't even realize the significance of what they're working on. "The best thing that could happen," he stated, "is that recognized doctors and researchers stand up together, and say, this has to stop."
    Not very many people will get involved conversing in this subject.
    It's scary, it's hard to believe and turns your stomach.
    But this is a serious research area and it's made great strides in the last decade. There is a lot of doctors and scientist that see this as the way of the future. The scary part is so does the military complex.

    It draws serious questions like, what percent human do we apply human rights to .
    When you step down the rabbit hole into the World of Hybrid Humans, Transgenics, Chimeras, Transhumanism, you will be fascinated, confused, shocked and even frighted.

    Hybrid World: The Plan to Modify and Control the Human Race (2015)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8BE55vKLKE

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    Genes altering technologies approved in US, banned in many other countries, and its potential harmful effect for human's future

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    In his 1932 sci-fi novel "Brave New World," Aldous Huxley explored what life might be like in AD 2540 — a world in which children are born in government owned baby hatcheries.

    In his world, human freedom is virtually non-existent, as each individual is genetically engineered and psychologically conditioned to fulfill a specific role within one of the five societal classes.

    Over 500 years before his prediction, we're already seeing the germination of some of his projections.

    The technical development that is taking medicine by storm is CRISPR (clustered regularly interspaced short palindromic repeat) — a gene editing tool that has the most profound potential to change the health world as we know it that I have ever encountered.

    A layman's explanation of the technology and its potential ramifications is presented in the video above. In the past, talk about altering the human genome was relegated to philosophical discussions; now it's becoming a reality. A "Brave New World" indeed!

    Drug Companies Race to Develop Gene Editing Drugs

    According to MIT Technical Review,1 the pharmaceutical industry is "doubling down" on CRISPR for novel drug development. CRISPR Therapeutics has entered a joint venture with Bayer to create drugs for blood disorders and blindness using this gene editing technology.

    Two other startups aiming to put CRISPR technology to use in drug development are Editas Medicine and Intellia Therapeutics. According to the featured article, "dealings over the past year have revealed broad disease areas where drugmakers see opportunities for applying the new tool."

    At present, any therapy based on CRISPR technology would have to involve three steps: Remove cells from your body; alter the DNA, and then reintroduce the cells into your body.

    CRISPR hold the promise to transform the human species in ways yet unknown and it has quickly gone from being written about only in scientific journals to receiving global media attention. It is sometimes called the Microsoft Word of gene editing for its low cost and ease of use for researchers.

    Specificity — The Ultimate Challenge of Genetic Modification

    All three CRISPR startups are also working on technologies for editing the genome right inside your body, without having to take out and reinsert the cells.

    This presents a far greater challenge, and while it would broaden the range of diseases that could be addressed, it may also be far more dangerous, with any number of potential side effects.

    As noted in the featured article:

    "'The ultimate need' of any of the players trying to make CRISPR drugs is for technologies that can increase CRISPR's specificity, so that it edits only the target DNA sequence ...

    The basis of CRISPR technology is a biological system some bacteria use to remove unwanted viral DNA sequences ... One of the molecules that locates and cuts the DNA has evolved to be somewhat nonspecific so it can be flexible enough to address a range of different viruses...

    Once the system is specific enough, there could be several ways to get it into the right cells, such as by using viral vectors or nanoparticles. Delivering it to the right tissue might be as simple as licensing a syringe for injecting into the eyeball, or a stent for delivering the drug to the heart ...

    But none of the players trying to make CRISPR drugs have yet been able tackle all three challenges — delivering the drug to the tissue, the cells, and ultimately to the target sequence with the necessary specificity ..."

    One Step Closer to 'Designer Babies'


    On January 6, researchers announced the discovery of a technique that renders CRISPR more precise — an important step for those who seek to employ the technique in human embryos to "weed out" inherited diseases and the like.

    By modifying an enzyme called Cas9, the gene-editing capabilities are significantly improved; in some cases reducing the error rate to "undetectable levels." As reported by Nature:2

    "Researchers use CRISPR — Cas9 to make precise changes to genomes that remove or edit a faulty gene. It has worked on nearly every creature on which they have tested it, including human embryos.

    The technique relies on an enzyme called Cas9 that uses a 'guide RNA' molecule to home in on its target DNA.

    Cas9 cuts the DNA at that site, and the cell's natural DNA repair machinery then takes over to mend the cut — deleting a short fragment of DNA or stitching in a new sequence in the process.

    But the technology is not infallible: sometimes the Cas9 enzyme creates unwanted mutations.

    As CRISPR inches out of the laboratory and towards the clinic — with debates raging over whether it should be deployed in embryos — researchers have pushed to reduce the error rate. The latest study moves the field closer to that goal ..."

    CRISPR May Be Used to Alter Future Generations



    According to an earlier article in MIT Technical Review,3 the notion of genetically modifying humans is no longer a science fiction fantasy, and while many will probably shudder at the idea, "to people facing a devastating inherited disease, engineering humanity sounds like a good thing."

    In December last year, hundreds of scientists and ethicists met in Washington, D.C. at the National Academy of Sciences to discuss the sanctioning of "germ-line engineering," meaning the altering of DNA in sperm, eggs, or embryos, in order to remove or correct genetic defects.

    CRISPR now provides the means to do so, but just because we can, should we tinker with the human genome? After all, there are just as many hazards as there are opportunities with this technology.

    Genetic diseases and defects could be eradicated, and any number of diseases might be cured once they strike; on the other hand, introduced errors might leave a child worse off, or cause unintended generational effects, and then there are potential societal ramifications such as those presented in Huxley's book.

    Three Categories of Genetic Manipulation of the Human Race



    With CRISPR gene editing capabilities, three categories of DNA alterations become possible.4 Science and society will ultimately have to face and address the need and ethical requirements for all of them:

    Embryonic DNA is corrected to eliminate genetic defects associated with inheritable disease. (While this use has the greatest support, some scientists argue that using germ-line gene editing to eliminate genetic disease is unnecessary,5 since the technology to test and choose embryos free of genetic disease already exists, and is regularly used in IVF clinics.)
    The alteration of genes to protect a person against future disease or diseases.
    Genetic enhancement, in which genes are installed or modified to change a person's appearance, or physical or mental potential.
    At present, about 40 countries around the world have banned the genetic engineering of human embryos; 15 of 22 European countries prohibit germ line modification.6 According to MIT:

    "Many experts at the [National Academy of Sciences] meeting seem to be leaning toward endorsing an indefinite moratorium on any effort to create gene-modified babies, calling the technology too new, too unsafe, and too limited in medical use, a position that has been endorsed by the Obama administration.

    But when MIT Technology Review reached out to several families who've dealt with devastating genetic illnesses, all said they approved of using the technology as quickly as possible.

    That could create a potential clash between desperate families and cautious scientists and politicians...Others warn of a slippery slope toward 'consumer eugenics' and out-of-control changes to the gene pool. 'Although gene editing is in its infancy, it is likely that the pressure to use it will increase,' says David Baltimore, a Nobel Prize-winning professor at the California Institute of Technology who is leading the deliberations in Washington."

    The Danger of Unintended Effects

    In "Understanding the Unintended Effects of Genetic Manipulation,"7 the Nature Institute brings forth a number of thought-worthy issues. Genetic engineering or genetic modification of an organism is of course done with a specific objective or effect in mind.

    However, the sheer complexity of the genome, be it plant, animal or human, is such that unintended or "non-target" effects frequently occur. There's also the issue of "pleiotropic effects" which refers to effects due to a gene affecting more than one characteristic.

    The fact that we have identified the effects of many genes does not mean we've teased out ALL effects of each and every gene. Such ignorance could do a great deal of harm when tinkering with the human genome.

    Another factor that may prove to be exceptionally dangerous when we're talking about experimenting with the human genome is the current lack of scientific integrity. As science has gotten more complex, it has also decreased in quality and transparency.

    As noted by the Nature Institute:

    "[N]ontarget effects are not always reported in research reports. As Dougherty and Parks (1995) write, 'Organisms that do not perform as expected are discounted as defective or atypical in some way, are not the subject of study, and frequently are not reported in the literature. It is important, therefore, to recognize that most published works represent a selected subset of transgenic organisms that have been produced.

    These built-in biases have hindered our understanding of how transgene expression impacts the endogenous [host] gene' and, I would add, how the organism as a whole can be affected by the genetic manipulation."

    Clearly, once we start talking about human subjects, the ramifications to humanity of discounting those with unintended anomalies as "defective" and tossing them out of the study could be severe. Far more severe than giving the go-ahead to transgenic plants that may be harmful if you eat them in significant amounts over a lifetime.

    The Nature Institute only discusses the genetic engineering of plants, not animals or humans, but once you know what can go wrong in a plant, it becomes easier to evaluate the potential risks of tinkering with the genetic code of a human being, which is infinitely more complex than a plant.

    Take for example the transgenic potato. A study designed to screen for potential non-target effects in a GE potato, in which the pathway for sugar breakdown was altered, found the potato had altered levels of nearly all metabolites (substances) they tested using metabolic profiling — in this case, 88.

    This was a complete surprise, because many of these substances, such as amino acids, were "not known to be related to the sugar breakdown pathway targeted by the genetic manipulation."

    This is a classic case of not knowing what we don't know. In addition to that, they found 9 substances in the transgenic potato that didn't exist in the non-GE potatoes — another surprise, since the creation of these substances had not been part of the intended, target effect.

    CRISPR Technology Completely Ignores Epigenetics

    It's worth noting that CRISPR technology also ignores epigenetic effects, for which there is a solid scientific foundation. "The Central Dogma" of molecular biology states that biological information is transferred sequentially and only in one direction (from DNA to RNA to proteins).

    The ramification of buying into the central dogma is that it leads to belief in absolute determinism, which leaves you utterly powerless to do anything about the health of your body; it's all driven by your genetic code, which you were born with. However, scientists have shattered this dogma and proven it false. You actually have a tremendous amount of control over how your genetic traits are expressed — from how you think to what you eat and the environment you live in.

    You may recall the Human Genome Project, launched in 1990 and completed in 2003, the mission of which was to map out all human genes and their interactions. The idea was that this would then serve as the basis for curing virtually any disease. Alas, not only did they realize the human body consists of far fewer genes than previously believed, they also discovered that these genes do not operate as previously predicted.

    In 1988, experiments by John Cairns, a British molecular biologist, produced compelling evidence that our responses to our environment determine the expression of our genes. A radical thought, for sure, but one that has been proven correct on multiple occasions since then.

    CRISPR Also Being Used in Creation of Transgenic Insects

    Another application for CRISPR is for so-called "gene drive" in transgenic insect disease vectors. In a recent report,8 the Institute of Science in Society (ISIS) discusses the creation of transgenic mosquitoes, carrying genes against a malarial pathogen.

    Using CRISPR/Cas9, a gene drive was created that makes virtually all progeny of the male transgenic mosquitoes carriers of this anti-malaria gene. However, the transgene was found to be unstable in female mosquitoes, and key safety issues were also raised, including the following:

    "'To what extent and over what period of time might crossbreeding or lateral [i.e., horizontal] gene transfer allow a drive to move beyond target populations? Might it subsequently evolve to regain drive capabilities in populations not originally targeted?' This is crucial in the light of the instability of the gene drive in transgenic female mosquitoes reported.

    When these females bite animals including humans, there is indeed the possibility of horizontal gene transfer of parts, or the entire gene-drive construct, with potentially serious effects on animal and human health. Cas9 nuclease could insert randomly or otherwise into the host genome, causing insertion mutagenesis that could trigger cancer or activate dominant viruses ...

    Finally, the ecological risks of gene drives are enormous, so warns conservation scientists from Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization ... As the gene drive can in principle lead to the extinction of a species, this could involve the species in its native habitat as well as where it is considered invasive. As distinct from conventional biological control, which can be applied locally, there is no way to control gene flow.

    They point out that because the CRISPR/Cas gene drive remains fully functional in the mutated strain after it is created, the chance of off-target mutations also remain and the likelihood increases with every generation.

    'If there is any risk of gene flow between the target species and other species, then there is also a risk that the modified sequence could be transferred and the adverse trait manifested in nontarget organisms.' (This commentary has not even begun to consider horizontal gene flow, which would multiply the risks many-fold.)"

    Too Much, Too Fast



    The ISIS report makes it clear that CRISPR technology raises "unprecedented concern over safety and ethics." According to the report, the issue "came to a head" after a team of Chinese researchers used the technology to create the first genetically modified human embryos.

    While CRISPR/Cas9 effectively cut the intended gene target, it also affected other non-target sites, and in the end, "untoward mutations" were created. According to the researchers:

    "Taken together, our work highlights the pressing need to further improve the fidelity and specificity of the CRISPR/Cas9 platform, a prerequisite for any clinical applications of CRISPR/Cas9-mediated editing."

    There's no doubt that gene editing technology is here to stay (unless something truly devastating cuts its popularity short). It certainly has the potential to do good, but it also has the potential to be misused and abused — especially since it's far cheaper than any previous methods.

    For better or worse, medicine and reproductive technology is about to take a massive leap; we're quickly entering an era where the human genome can be tinkered with for any number of reasons. Unfortunately, if genetically engineered foods are any indication, such a leap may turn out to be just another factor in our own undoing.

    If this topic interests you, you can learn more about the history of this revolutionary technology in a paper9 published in the journal Cell earlier this month. A commentary10 on the paper can also be found on the science blog Genotopia.http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...rid=1331004643

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    Hey Flash, what a great write up.

    What should be alarming to all is the fact that we,(Scientists), really do not have a clue what they are doing. They can't even successfully genetically modify a plant without inherent non-targeted effects as this quote points out.

    "Take for example the transgenic potato. A study designed to screen for potential non-target effects in a GE potato, in which the pathway for sugar breakdown was altered, found the potato had altered levels of nearly all metabolites (substances) they tested using metabolic profiling — in this case, 88.

    This was a complete surprise, because many of these substances, such as amino acids, were "not known to be related to the sugar breakdown pathway targeted by the genetic manipulation."

    This is a classic case of not knowing what we don't know. In addition to that, they found 9 substances in the transgenic potato that didn't exist in the non-GE potatoes — another surprise, since the creation of these substances had not been part of the intended, target effect."


    Altering one human genome could have a crashing domino effect. A very scary reality.

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Genes altering technologies approved in US, banned in many other countries, and its potential harmful effect for human's future
    nothing is inherently "good" or "bad"... we place these labels on things ourselves.

    I'd say CRISPR tech is a F'n GREAT thing... look what it's started already (and we JUST got it!)
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    They spin in their cages and don’t interact. The scientists who created autistic monkeys say they’ll now try to cure them.
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    There are more than 3,500 species of mosquitoes, and only a FEW carry human vector diseases...

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    What should be alarming to all is the fact that we,(Scientists), really do not have a clue what they are doing. They can't even successfully genetically modify a plant without inherent non-targeted effects as this quote points out.
    I actually laughed out loud! It IS alarming, and how you're poking fun at science is funny too

    Quote Posted by Curiosity (here)
    Altering one human genome could have a crashing domino effect. A very scary reality.
    Exactly, I think about downs syndrome - genetically not all that different from normal people, but physically and mentally, extremely different.

    I think there's two kinds of people. Ones who screw with things they don't understand, and ones who don't mess with things they don't understand (this one is me)

    Thing is, how are you ever going to understand, if you don't screw with it? Playing with fire....

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    I think there's two kinds of people. Ones who screw with things they don't understand, and ones who don't mess with things they don't understand (this one is me)

    Thing is, how are you ever going to understand, if you don't screw with it? Playing with fire....
    Or alternately:

    Those who live in fear, and those who do not.
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
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    Or alternately:

    Those who live in fear, and those who do not.
    I don't think so, not in this case. If someone were to decide not to genetically modify something, I'd like to think that choice would be made more out of respect than fear.

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    I don't think so, not in this case. If someone were to decide not to genetically modify something, I'd like to think that choice would be made more out of respect than fear.
    Respect for chaos?

    I agree, the entropic nature of humanity is a very corrupting influence; however it's also very very ingrained in our behavior; we always impose order over chaos & then freak out when it changes...

    However, imposing a bit of order in genetics isn't a bad thing & I don't really see how respect plays into it; sans religion.
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    Respect for chaos?

    I agree, the entropic nature of humanity is a very corrupting influence; however it's also very very ingrained in our behavior; we always impose order over chaos & then freak out when it changes...

    However, imposing a bit of order in genetics isn't a bad thing & I don't really see how respect plays into it; sans religion.
    I see, yes I am thinking of towards a Creator, but respect for nature could apply too, religion doesn't have to be factored in. When we equate fear into it, I just imagine scientists going "I dare you!" to each other, and THAT is a scary thought!

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see science make some progress, I just think it'd end up more like the Island of Dr. Moreau than like Gattaca

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    I see, yes I am thinking of towards a Creator, but respect for nature could apply too, religion doesn't have to be factored in. When we equate fear into it, I just imagine scientists going "I dare you!" to each other, and THAT is a scary thought!

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see science make some progress, I just think it'd end up more like the Island of Dr. Moreau than like Gattaca
    Honestly, both of those examples would be terrible... haha


    I respect the sun's power to deliver vitamin D, but understand that too much of it can be damaging, so I alter how it effects me.

    I respect the cold & dress accordingly to mitigate it's effects.

    I respect a bear for it's role in nature and the danger it poses to me should I provoke it; but I'll kill it in an instant if it tries to eat me.

    I respect my body & it's functions, but don't like it when my hair is long so I cut it & I don't like it when I have excess fat, so I exercise and eat differently than my hunger tells me to.

    we modify everything... we are modifying our DNA (in a very sloppy way) simply by the environments we choose to live in & the products we choose to consume / be exposed to.

    I really don't see how respect comes into it.

    maybe reverence, but I hold nothing but the "whole" in reverence; the individual pieces are mine to play with; else I wouldn't have the ability to modify them... I respect my position in this reality.
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    Honestly, both of those examples would be terrible... haha
    Haha I totally agree!! Gattaca IS awful!

    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    I really don't see how respect comes into it.

    maybe reverence, but I hold nothing but the "whole" in reverence; the individual pieces are mine to play with; else I wouldn't have the ability to modify them... I respect my position in this reality.
    Reverence is by far a better word when you're looking at things as a whole. I respect your ability to help me learn to communicate better

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    Wasn't sure where to post this, but nanotechnology seems to be related to transhumanism, so hopefully this thread is a good place.
    Quote .Dr. Nick Delgado is a researcher of
    biochemistry and endocrinology,
    with a special focus on anti-aging
    medicine. In this clip, Dr. Delgado
    speaks to me about a disturbing
    new phenomenon that he's been
    observing for about a year and a
    half.

    When he examines patients,
    Dr. Delgado puts a drop of their
    blood beneath a microscope. After
    40 years of studying blood
    morphology, he has never
    previously seen or heard of the
    1-micron-sized* tiny "tadpoles",
    which he's been seeing lately,
    which school like fish in large
    groups around the blood cells,
    moving in unison and changing
    rapidly in direction. The people
    carrying these "tadpoles" all
    describe having a persistent
    cough.

    These "tadpoles" somewhat
    resemble a class of microbe called
    flagella. A common example of a
    flagellate bacterium is the ulcer-
    causing Helicobacter pylori -
    however, these "tadpoles"
    behave differently from
    anything he's ever seen.

    Dr. Delgado isn't sure whether
    these are a "super" bacteria or
    exactly what they are but he's
    encountered cases in Northern-
    and Southern California, as well
    as in Florida. After I suggested
    that, if they were not readily
    identifiable as microbes, that
    these might be some sort of
    bioweapon, he remarked that
    he was open to this possibility.

    Earlier this week, a colleague of
    his had confirmed that he'd
    observed the exact same thing -
    so it truly appears that we may
    be looking at an emerging and
    pervasive phenomenon.

    As Dr. Delgado described their
    movement to me, I was reminded
    of the way swarms of tiny drones
    called Micro Air Vehicles (MAVs)
    http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/Micr...g-like-Drones/
    can maneuver, as they are radio
    controlled using "swarming"
    software, which keeps the
    movements of dozens of MAVs in
    perfect unison.

    These "tadpoles" are of course
    much, much smaller than MAVs.
    The idea of nanorobots or "nanites"
    also popped into my mind. At 1
    micron in size, these "tadpoles"
    are at the large end of the nanoscale,
    the size of a complex nanorobot, per
    Robert Freitas, in his book,
    'Nanomedicine'.
    http://techin.oureverydaylife.com/na...ogy-12010.html
    As Dr. Delgado described the
    distribution of cases in California, it
    reminded me of Morgellon's disease,
    a controversial condition described
    by officialdom (the crooked CDC)
    as "delusional parasitosis."

    Morgellon's is nonetheless addressed
    with sincerity by the Mayo Clinic and
    certainly by its sufferers, many of
    whom believe that there might be a
    connection between chemtrails and
    Morgellon's.

    Dr. Delgado will be showing images
    of these strange new blood "tadpoles"
    in his upcoming October 16th
    Immortality Webclass, a free webinar
    he's conducting with fellow leading
    anti-aging experts, that's all about
    revolutionizing the way participants
    think about and experience aging,
    with critical scientific insights into the
    findings of recent research and how
    to safely use biochemistry to improve
    all areas of human performance in
    advanced ages.

    This FREE webinar will be held on October 16th, between 3PM to 6PM
    Pacific Time https://app.webinarjam.net/register/18222/f739cd7c56
    * (Not 4 microns, as discussed in the video interview).

    Video: (13 mins):

    Mysterious New Blood Bacteria Seems Like Nanobot Bioweapon

    http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/myst...bot-bioweapon/

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    WHY DOES GOOGLE WANT YOUR DNA?
    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/why...want-your-dna/
    5/10/18

    Quote You may have heard that 72-year-old Joseph James DeAngelo, aka the Golden State Killer, who raped, murdered and burgled hundreds of people the 1970s in an investigation that had long since gone cold was recently tracked down and arrested due to his DNA being linked to that of a distant relative using an open-source genealogy website called GEDmtach.

    In other words, even if you have never volunteered your genetics for such services, your DNA is accessible to law enforcement if a relative has done a genetic test – even a very distant relative. Despite these companies’ guarantees of privacy, they are obliged to surrender genetic data when presented with a search warrant or a court order.

    Remember, Kids – in the era of Big Data, YOU are the product!

    YouTuber, reallygraceful has been making great videos for a few years and this is one of her best so far. This very well-researched and visually-sophisticated piece explores the intersection between 23andMe, the Mountain View, California privately-held personal genomics and biotechnology company that was founded in 2006 by CEO Anne Wojcicki (sister of YouTube CEO, Susan Wojcicki) with seed money from Google Ventures when Anne was still married to Google co-founder Sergey Brin.

    Meanwhile, Google Ventures CEO Bill Maris is also the founder of the Google-backed biotechnology company, Calico, which is chiefly concerned with combating aging. Maris is firm in his view that Calico’s research could extend the human lifespan to five hundred years and possibly extinguish death itself.

    Immortality is an obsession of many of the same Silicon Valley Tech Overlords who promote the idea that human overpopulation is the world’s leading problem and that the Earth’s resources will be exhausted without population control. This is, of course at odds with the idea of life extension and immortality. If the lifespan of everybody on Earth were extended to 500 years and beyond, the received wisdom tells us that we would eat ourselves out of our planetary house and home.

    This is where transhumanism and an emerging world of high tech eugenics collide and reallygraceful does a fantastic job of exploring the legal and existential implications of reproductive rights based the “brainscores” currently being withheld from DNA test customers, the “Designer Baby” patent owned by 23andMe for use in fertility clinics and “ethno-bombs” made from genetically modified microorganisms to target genetic sequences that belong to specific ethnicities.

    Back in 1998, Wired Magazine reported that one such weapon was being developed in Israel to target Arab genes and to leave the ethnically Jewish ones unharmed.

    While the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 prohibits some types of genetic discrimination in obtaining health insurance and employment, she notes that last year, members of Congress moved to undo some genetic privacy protections that would enable employers to demand to see their employees’ genetic information.

    On the 23andme website, the fine print currently reads: “If you are asked by an insurance company whether you have learned genetic information about health conditions and you do not disclose them…it may be considered fraud on your behalf.”

    As current trends in DNA testing continue and tests taken by your relatives may reveal your own predispositions to disease, she wonders if your employer or insurer will drop you after having access to your family’s DNA reports? Will we see a rise in deaths associated with treatable conditions once insurance companies have access to these reports? Will our genetic profiles ever be used against us beyond law enforcement? The answer seems obvious.

    The data-processing involved in genetic sequencing is legendary, so who would be better-equipped to crunch the data of billions of genomes than Google, who met with the White House 427 times during the Obama Administration? reallygraceful rightly asks, “How long until 23andme’s biobank is utilized by third parties like the US military to develop genetically-targeted biological weapons? Or is that already taking place?”

    She warns that the potential for soft eugenics is beginning to form while designer babies will soon be within reach for average customers and that the responsibility for this is currently in the hands of legislators who receive large donations from the Corporatist lobbyists associated with these technologies.

    It is our responsibility to stay on top of this matter to see that this doesn’t get out of hand, unless it’s already too late. For whatever it’s worth, Deborah Tavares of StoptheCrime.net has recently announced that the 5G wireless network currently being rolled out is in fact a sterilization and eugenics program. (To Be Continued…).
    by Alexandra Bruce

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