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    Shane - one of DW's whistleblower 'sources' is referred to as Harry I recall. Not you I take it?

    All the best

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    What Shane has been so eloquently expressing with his writing is more important than details. I agree with him that details are just semantics that can distract us away from the deeper messages that are embodied therein.

    The sacred Trinity is not to be taken lightly, as it encompasses the way we express ourselves on this planet and therefore what reality we create. There are many different ways to look at the Trinity:
    • Father, Holy Spirit, Son.
    • Thoughts, Emotions, Actions.
    • Reptile brain (R-complex), Mammalian brain (Limbic System), Human brain (Neocortex).
    • Sacred Masculine, Sacred Feminine, Sacred Child.
    Uniting the four aspects of our consciousness represented as Earth, Water, Fire, and Air, we become balanced human beings. If we are ever going to escape the Satanic ideological stranglehold that is imprisoned in the collective unconscious of humans, then we first need to start with ourselves.

    Once we find balance within ourselves and learn to use all parts of our consciousness in harmony, including the Reptile brain, we can have a holistic world-view and overall understanding of our reality. Once we find balance within our individual selves, we can find balance as a highly evolved species.

    We are all different, so it is appropriate that we use our strengths as a compass, guided by our morals, to take action unto the world. As more and more energy is bathing this planet and we are evolving in consciousness, we are going to need to gently provide information to others in a way that will aid in their understanding as things get more intense.

    I feel that people will begin to wake up on their own as the energies activate their DNA, so it will be up to all of us to provide them with information to allow them to become more aware. This is a time where we could use our individual strengths to help and heal others, and creatively manifest a better reality. It all starts with the self, and being scatter-brained full of anxiety won't do anybody any good.

    Also, I'd encourage people to let go of any predictions, timelines, and disclosures. Stay focused on what we want to create, and keep a vibration that is resonating frequencies based on Love, the antithesis of fear.

    We are all magicians, though most unaware and unlearned. We influence the thoughts of one another with our collective unconscious, so we better make sure that those thoughts are based on Love. Those subconscious thoughts will trigger emotions based on Love, and then people - with a bit of courage - will begin to manifest actions based on Love.

    Thank you Shane for your undaunted courage and impeccable integrity.

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    Quote Posted by kemo (here)
    Shane - one of DW's whistleblower 'sources' is referred to as Harry I recall. Not you I take it?

    All the best
    Kemo, yes Shane and *Harry* are the same person.

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    Quote By The Ruiner: "Gently nudge, never push. Show the door, don't open it. Remember how you fell under the spell when you didn't take this responsibility for yourself."
    Quote Originally posted by Flash: "I must say that you are very consistent throughout time"
    Quote Originally posted by Shane (Avalon, 20 September 2013) : " Instead of backing down at that point, I simply slowed down. I realized, I have no need to convince anyone of anything. I know what I know, and if people want to know too, synchronicity/the universe/fate/what have you, would bring them to me. When that happened I gave them "half a glass of water".. Some came back for more, others did not, and I accepted this as it occurred.

    It's more important to be kind than it is to be right.. Some people subconsciously want someone (like us) to alter their world view (or shatter it as is often the case) and those people will find you, or you them. Others do not, and it is terribly unkind to force someone to drink water when they do not want water. My respect for freewill and my understanding that I can only ever open a door and it is up to others to decide to walk through it if they want, does not allow me to "force someone to drink water".

    I just always keep the glass of water on hand, in case any thirsty people come my way.. Let them have as much as they want, and leave the rest.

    I smile while they drink it down, and I smile if they spit it back in my face. Content to walk the path I am on all by myself.. and if anyone tags along and walks with me for a while.. Great! "
    This is very helpful (and consistent). Thank you, Shane. It is half a glass of water then and being kind while we walk along our path, if anyone walks with us.. great! ~

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    Thank you Shane for what you are doing and what you have done.

    I hope that with even your one post here on this thread members can set aside the distraction of who you are and either accept (consider) your message in the humble and gracious manner it was presented or exercise their free will to reject it then move on.

    I have some questions but wanted to go through all the questions/answers you have already posted on your blog first to avoid repetition.

    This is simply to thank you.
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    WOW, I enjoyed the read and all comments. We indeed live in interesting times ... or do we The truth is unfolding and it feels like we should get ready now for the final battle for a new and better world, after the next market crash soon to come :-)

    Thank you Shane my brother.

    Love ya all brothers and sisters.

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    Shane I'm glad you're not afraid to be the (blameless) bearer of bad news.. There will always be people who want to shoot the Messenger.
    Communication is good. We all work better together if we talk more. But we all have to remember that the communication we receive/perceive is merely a single facet of the larger project we're involved in.

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    Welcome to the party Mr. Ruiner. Your willingness to "come out" is much appreciated. In the age of the internet it is too easy to hide behind an avatar or pseudo-name and claim knowledge of things. Too many have misled and lied over the years. My unwillingness to blindly accept a messenger is a healthy reaction to a world of false prophets and deceivers.
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    Indeed,, I can't disagree with either of you. It seems that the concept of 'taking yourself out of the game' dovetails into the concept of being a sovereign individual...

    Wether it is NOT participating in government/religion, or refusing to follow a messiah, or not using money, or not letting the media/others tell you, what/how to think, or recognizing control systems, or not paying into a tax system, or refusing to allow another to represent you, or taking control of ones own fears so as to starve unwanted loosh-eating bastards,,,, it all seems to boil down to personal sovereignty and personal responsibility...

    Loosely put,,, 'taking yourself out of the game' is synonymous with 'taking back your power'...

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    Quote Octavusprime------>With regards to Jakes comments around getting out of the system and not playing the game. I agree to a point. To truly get out of the system one would need to stop using money, not participate in government and stop watching/listening to the media among other things.
    I have a slightly different take on 'not playing the game'..... The tough part of their game is the effect of implanted social programming which drives the defensive response when the egoic knee jerk reaction kicks in. Its deep and difficult to integrate.
    Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. Yoda....

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    Anyone here familiar with this site, how long its been up, etc?

    http://illuminati.am/

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    Quote Posted by NicoD (here)
    Anyone here familiar with this site, how long its been up, etc?

    http://illuminati.am/
    Slick and creepy site if not a bit in your face.... Real or bunkum I leave to the website experts and researchers.. Here's a page answering if they are human or not... N


    Perceptive readers have noted that uncommon phrases appear as recurring themes in the first Illuminatiam Testament, specifically references to “your world” when mentioning the planet Earth and “your species” when referring to humanity. Some have taken these terms as indications that Illuminati members are of a species that is not human.

    From Facebook.com/illuminatiam
    These allusions are intentional. We refer to this planet as “your world” and to humanity as “your species” to encourage an understanding of unified responsibility and authority. In simpler terms, it is the concept that this planet and its inhabitants continue to survive due to cooperation between individuals with vastly differing beliefs and objectives.

    The Illuminati works as a guiding force to facilitate this global cooperation and to ensure order even when the individuals involved are unaware. As time goes on, we must prepare new leaders from the world’s billions. Our choice of words are used to subtly remind all people of the immense power they wield simply by being human, and to awaken a sense of purpose in those who can become future guardians of the human species.

    A large number of people never reach for opportunities that are available to them because they do not recognize their own supremacy. Many believe that they cannot rise above their place in society simply because of when, who, or where they were born.

    Each human is born a child of privilege simply by being a member of this planet’s most dominant species.

    Even the poorest human is royal by birth, with authority over every other animal, plant, and form of life that shares this vast floating rock in space. Centuries of hardship have already been overcome by humanity’s ancestors in order to give the species a chance to thrive.

    Unfortunately, few humans realize this advantage. Many practice a formulaic path of life throughout generations, convincing themselves and their children that they are societally shackled and abused by others who attain success upon the backs of the downtrodden. Many who are free convince themselves that they are trapped by inescapable economic slavery — a false belief in which they find comfort by shifting blame onto invisible forces instead of their own lack of determination or effort.

    Beware of those who spend more time despising the wealthy than striving to become wealthy themselves.

    Birthright claims that some humans are better than others simply because of their family origins, but this has no foundation in science nor study. Historically, the concept was used to pacify large populations under the rule of specific family bloodlines who claimed their authority was theologically favored.

    But in modern society, birthright serves little purpose other than pageantry and historical pride. By seeking information, all people may attain greatness through their own determination — even if some require more effort than others.

    It is better to die while fighting for freedom than to live a century in peaceful slavery.

    There are grave dangers in thinking that a person cannot improve themselves because of where or to whom they were born. Perpetuating a belief in privileged birthrights conversely supports its harmful opposite: if some are born better than others, some must be born lesser. Placing blame on societal slavery only continues to restrain further generations to shackles that are weak enough to unlock but all-too-often go untested.

    All humans are built of the same materials as kings and queens. Human authority comes from subconscious belief, not genetic differences. If a person does not believe they have any power, they are quick to relinquish it to others.

    All sheep are born and die as sheep. All humans are born and die as humans, but some become shepherds along the way.

    Humans are not sheep. Some desire to lead and others to follow, but all are humans and have parts to play in the Universal Design.

    It is natural for humans to seek what is comforting. There is security in being carried on the backs of leaders instead of walking through dark forests on your own feet. There is no fault in those who choose to follow, only in those who claim their choice was made by anyone but themselves.

    Leaders are merely followers brave enough to take one step further than the others around them.

    The Illuminati is wholly comprised of residents of this planet dedicated to the protection and prosperity of the human species. As with all people, we have no powers of birthright. Our members come from all walks of life: all races, all religions, all beginnings. We unite under the belief that all people, in all places, deserve to live in Abundance.

    Many of our members were born into privilege due to their wealth, gender, color, or family lineage. Though their journeys are shorter and smoothly paved, they carry generations of experience and knowledge that are valuable to society.

    But our most esteemed members are those who began as the poorest, the most downtrodden, the most oppressed — for their journeys were the hardest, and the challenges they faced made them worthy of greatness.

    By referring to “your world” and “your species” we strive to encourage each individual’s understanding that they are responsible for themselves and the future of this planet. This world is yours to govern; this species is yours to protect. Regardless of the hardships a person may face, there are thousands of others who crossed the same treacherous path. Many failed along the way. Many others succeeded, as can you.......

    Ps - sorry to ruin the thread, thought this was worth a giggle, back to topic.... N
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    Quote Posted by Calz (here)
    I hope that with even your one post here on this thread members can set aside the distraction of who you are and either accept (consider) your message in the humble and gracious manner it was presented or exercise their free will to reject it then move on.
    "Lay Down Your Truth and Check Your Weapons
    The Next Voice You Hear Will Be Your OWN"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhS69C1tr0w

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    The following is a QnA I did with theruiner via email for my new website: http://www.endarkening.net

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    The following is a QnA about illuminati and Draco, with a friend known as "theruiner". Allegedly he is an illuminati insider and bloodliner, I believe him....

    His blog is here if anyone is interested: http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/

    ______________________________
    1. What do you know about the Dracos? Sorry for such a general question… If you could use some bullet points that would be prefered(like describing their traits, society, etc), bullet points are stimulating and get points across at times better. If you would rather just write paragraphs about them that is fine too.

    A: My blogs will cover this so it's likely best to skip the question or just say. "I know no race better. I feel I know the Draco better than I do humans."
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    2. Have you had any contact with Dracos? And if yes, can you mention what they said?

    A: I have frequent interaction with Draco. We have a close relationship and they show me respect despite my distaste for their actions. Not sure how to narrow down one thing they have said. They lie constantly and so it requires a constant practice of discernment. Never believe everything they say. They even lie to themselves and each other.
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    3. As I understand it, Dracos like working with secret society’s on undeveloped worlds to sabotage/infiltrate/etcetc. Is the Illuminati a creation of the Dracos? Is this your understanding too?

    A: The Draco created the Parents who created the rest of the Illuminati as ordered to by the Draco. So yes.
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    4. What influence do you think the Dracos have on the “Parents” of the Illuminati you describe on your blog? Do you know if they engage in electronic telepathy?

    A: The Parents are loyal. The Draco have had total control over their actions insofar as they choose to apply their control. (Meaning they do allow them to make some of their own decisions providing they do not upset the Draco) The Draco have a very effective punishment system in place for any disobedient Parents.
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    5. Have any illuminati members you have known told you they were inducted into the shadow government electronic telepathy network? I know it exists because I somehow made my way into it as a contactee/targeted individual…

    A: yes. The shadow government is covertly controlled by the illuminati. They are certainly included in all aspects including the electronic telepathy network. The shadow government is the one world government child of the illuminati.
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    6. Obviously the bloodliners have been around for a long time. When did the illuminati start? Obviously it wasn’t in Bavaria by Weishaupt correct?

    A: The Illuminati started thousands of years before that name was ever created. Approximately 13,000yrs ago (at least - could be longer)
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    7. I do love the word illuminati when taken in without the negative connotations… I find it a beautiful word(like for example said with an Italian female accent). I’m curious, how did they get the name illuminati? Did they rip it off from Weishaupt? What was the name of the secret society before it was called the illuminati for example back in Rome or ancient Egypt? Do you know?

    A: they have come to use that name but it is not "their name" or a name they created. When it was coined they liked the sound of it, and most of their actions were being assumed by the name also so they just "went with it". I may be willing to admit the name if someone asked me, but I will never post it otherwise. Truly, it doesn't need to matter what they are called or call themselves.
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    8. What are the main goals/agendas of the illuminati bloodlines? What is their ultimate goal for humanity?

    A: Transhumanism. That simple. Ultimate and permanent control of the human race as a resource.
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    9. I find whoever got ahold of the technological control grid(mind control, chakra influencing tech, etc) became the most powerful in the world. Does the Illuminati bloodlines control the shadow governments? Or do the shadow governments control the illuminati? (or both) I do note that the US shadow government is also ran by Dracos. So it matters not if illuminati are the head in human form, the serpent has fully engulfed the shadow governments as well as the illuminati, I think we agree on that..

    A: answered above but to go further- The Draco take a very hands on approach with the shadow programs. That said they are still considered as being run by the Illuminati. Because the Draco control the illuminati at the top levels, it matters not who lays claim to these actions.
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    10. Have the illuminati taken control of and/or created the military industrial complex?

    A: They created it.
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    11. Have you ever met any lightside illuminati? People with heart intelligence with morals?

    A: Yes there are many. Many of those form what get called "white hat groups" or "light masons" etc.
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    12. How does one become a “Parent” in the illuminati?

    A: The Parents were chosen by a group working for the Draco. It is not possible to become a Parent anymore. All those spots have been filled. Perhaps if their plans are successful they will increase their own numbers but that would be speculation.
    ___________________________
    13. What do “parents” decide in the world?

    A: They decide nothing truly. They follow the orders of the Draco. At least that is how [it] has been. This is not to say the make no decisions, they design many systems for cults and programs. But ultimately they are acting for the Draco so it is difficult to say they decide anything truly in the world. The Draco give them a goal to achieve with a guideline of how to achieve it. The Parents mobilize their covens to direct the cults, projects and programs.
    ___________________________
    14. Are any parents known public figures?

    A: No. Occasionally they come out into the world and are known by humans. This is very rare. They do not typically become known figures in society. Perhaps just a myth or legend in a small group or location. Not presidents or world leaders of any sort.
    ___________________________
    15. Are people like Jay-Z even considered to join the illuminati?

    A: They are a part of cults that fall under the Illuminati umbrella. So technically yes. Entertainers are a big part of implementing the mind control systems and beliefs that influence humans.
    ___________________________
    16. Are politicians inducted into the illuminati? Any presidents of the USA?

    A: Typically presidents are members of some cult or order within the umbrella. Not usually high level or fully informed on much. Most notable politicians fall into the group somehow. They would be considered a "mid-level" member.
    ___________________________
    17, Were you inducted into the illuminati with any ceremonies or rituals? Or was it always just a known thing since childhood? And if you were inducted, what took place during the induction?

    A: Due to being so young my own induction was a simple ceremony as is normal for those who come in by way of family. Thankfully I only observed rituals and never participated directly beyond that.
    ___________________________
    18. What rituals have you witnessed within the illuminati (if any)?

    A: Too many and all the names and purposes have blurred. These are all just "for show". Ritual makes ideas real for the mind which is their purpose.
    ___________________________
    19. Do you confirm or deny my own thoughts that Dracos are the prime source of human sacrifice and ritual abuse on Earth, and thus their secret societies partake in such acts as if it is basically their religion?

    A: I can confirm this. Some other darker ETs partake as well but everything of this nature must be approved by the Draco. Reptilians and their "feathered serpent" friends are the most guilty of these types of actions.
    ___________________________
    20. Do you know much about Luciferianism and Satanism within the Illuminati? If yes, I would love more bullet points if possible.

    A: These are the primary religions one must follow to progress through the orders. I am not sure anything else needs said about these as there is plenty of information available from many many sources.
    ___________________________
    21. Do you have anything relevant or interesting to say about the Order of the Black Sun? Is that safe?

    A: This is possibly the worst of Illuminati cults. It's not the highest level, but it may be the highest level cult. Seems to attract the worst of people.
    ___________________________

    Much thanks to theruiner for his time in answering these questions. It is somewhat possible I will have another QnA with him, also possible he will guest write on this blog, as I have invited him to...
    Source Link: http://www.endarkening.net/2015/05/t...nati-mind.html

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    Thanks Omni, brings a bit of clarity to this subject. I have what might be a 'silly' question which you might be able to answer (or anyone who knows). Because some labels overlap, ie several names for the same thing, I was trying to understand if the dracs are the same entity that we call nephilim and/or anunaki. These names seem to be used interchangeably when it may be they have different provenance/time/lineage.

    If this question is inapproprate here Paul please feel free to delete.
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    The similarities of this film and this thread (except the Draco are not in charge in the film). I watched the film pretty much when this thread was started and it's basically the same storyline. Interesting, check it out.

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    The similarities of this film and this thread (except the Draco are not in charge in the film). I watched the film pretty much when this thread was started and it's basically the same storyline. Interesting, check it out.

    The Writer addressed that in one of his question/answers:

    Quote QUESTION: Hello Ruiner! I enjoyed reading this blog. I wonder what you think about the symbology in Jupiter Ascending, and the depiction of the struggles between the Great Houses of this Solar System. It seems to fit with everything you write in your posts, especially the point about Draco 'ownership' of Earth.

    I suppose the Illuminati are expecting to take over smoothly once the outgoing Empire leaves. But the Jupiter Jones character, representing the common human, may end up throwing a spanner in the works.

    Thanks for all you've written.

    Take Care....


    ANSWER: The Ruiner May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM

    That film truly shocked your writer. That should tell you a lot.

    Your writer expects truth in these things as well as the usual spin. That film had plenty. There will be more written about this for sure but to stick to your question:

    The fact that his film showed that this world responds first and foremost to Humans is very telling. When this world comes back under the control of humans our choices will determine the event.

    This film showed an important choice. The bright shiny tech world with all the toys still under heavy control while we develop in a predetermined path? Or the love of family and self and life(nature) with the freedom to choose, while we develop on our own path?

    Most importantly it tells us all something your writer is doing his best to remind you of also:

    This planet chooses us when we choose her and her power working through us and mixing with our own power, is what can bring the nets of control down.

    With respect,


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    Quote Posted by Gardener (here)
    Thanks Omni, brings a bit of clarity to this subject. I have what might be a 'silly' question which you might be able to answer (or anyone who knows). Because some labels overlap, ie several names for the same thing, I was trying to understand if the dracs are the same entity that we call nephilim and/or anunaki. These names seem to be used interchangeably when it may be they have different provenance/time/lineage.

    If this question is inapproprate here Paul please feel free to delete.
    From my understanding Anunnaki are a separate race to the Draco. But I wouldn't be so sure that is true. Just that when I have interacted with beings claiming to be Anunnaki they presented themselves as a different race than Draco.

    I asked Shane/theruiner on skype if Anunnaki were reptilians or a human-like race that are basically evolved bloodliners. They always use telepathic guises with me to hide their real energy, so I wouldn't know from experiences... He said they were reptilians.

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    Quote Posted by Gardener (here)
    Thanks Omni, brings a bit of clarity to this subject. I have what might be a 'silly' question which you might be able to answer (or anyone who knows). Because some labels overlap, ie several names for the same thing, I was trying to understand if the dracs are the same entity that we call nephilim and/or anunaki. These names seem to be used interchangeably when it may be they have different provenance/time/lineage.

    If this question is inapproprate here Paul please feel free to delete.
    Hi there Gardener...
    If you are familiar with the Lost Book of Enki, and if you believe as i do, that this is the truth, namely that humans where created (Adam/Adamu) by and as a slave race to the Anunaki to mine gold for them, then, Adam/Adamu was 80% Anunaki and 20% Neanderthaler (Ape like being walking upright), so if the Anunaki are reptilians, then we are 80% reptilian too.

    Again subject to the translation of the Sumarian stonetablets being correctly translated, and the story being true, so the above might not be facts.. only my own belief (at this moment in time ;-)

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    Has anyone read Noel Huntely's book ET's and Aliens Who are They and Why are They Here ( I read it years ago) but it delves thoroughly into the Drakon menace, the Annunaki/Nephilim lines, the Dracos and so on. It's just one more source of information in a sea of many within this topic.

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    TheRuiner posted on 4/27/2015:
    Send in the Clones

    ... They constantly find new ways to advance these cloning programs. The difference between ten years ago and now, is astounding.
    So perhaps that is why more Milabs and such victims, and their stories, have been coming public over the last decade ... the bad boys have better toys.
    Just adding here that I had a conversation with a friend today and he just mentioned that his 12 year old came home from school the otherday talking about Cloning and giving him the impression that it is good and she would like her own Clone.

    A bit of mind prep for the future perhaps?

    It was just a random conversation I dont normally talk with this friend about the deep alternate community stuff, thought I would add it here just for the record.

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