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    Hello Avalon

    This is my first post to forum but I am an ol' follower of Camelot/Avalon of 7 years now.

    I have been sitting on this photo for over 7 years. I’ve never sent it out to anyone in the UFO community for the very reason of using it as an insurance safekeeping to see if any other photo like it ever showed up. As a result, I’ve never seen any UFO photo of its uniqueness to date. I have decided finally it is an appropriate time to let it out and have others examine it and get a community opine on its significance. I am sure it is not just another UFO photograph—this is something of a wildcard if you ask me.

    It is fascinatingly rare and unique in so many ways. I can go into essay trying to explain what it is we are seeing, but I would like to hear it from the Avalon community instead. What exactly are we looking at here? How is this photo possible? Are the craft off-world or military? There are so many questions that 7 years I still could not answer—that’s why I had to approach Avalon. This may be a simple case of curiosity for some ET/ED craft that popped in to say hello to the Shuttle, albeit in cloaked fashion as I explain next.

    I came across this photograph from a colleague in college who explained to me that his male roommate at the time was shown this photo from his female roommate who was some kind of photographer for an event involving the STS flying in. She was alarmed and frightened to see the seven flying objects in the photograph which she did not see at the time she was photographing. Not until she came home that night and looked through her camera did she spot the 7 objects surrounding the STS on piggyback. My thought is that the craft were cloaked or phase-shifting dimensionally, slightly out of range of our visible spectrum, and the camera was able to pick up their presence unbeknownst to her naked eye. She was using a mere point-and-shoot Panasonic you can determine from the EXIF data. It is important to note that the UFO's were NOT visible during the time she was photographing the Shuttle.

    If you examine the EXIF data on the photo, it will show a date of 12/11/2008 – 1:17 AM. Now was this STS landing or taking off or somewhere between? That is what you guys can help me figure out. Was it being purposefully escorted or invisibly flanked? Maybe a vintage Nazi Bell collector taking em out for a spin? Who knows. All I have is this photo that I’ve never publicly shown—volcanoes are blowing up and earthquakes are shakin the Himalayas—it’s a good time as any to let out this cat.

    Enjoy.

    *note, one of the objects that can be seen surrounding the Shuttle is a T38 escort, a quite common procedure during piggyback

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    It is an interesting image and it does not get less interesting by the story behind it - I'm thinking of the fact that the person who took the image claimed she did not see the UFOs with her naked eyes and discovered them later, that makes some sense. For some reason the shuttle did not end up in the middle of the photo, as if the person taking the photos could see the UFOs and wanted all flying objects on the same picture. Could have been a coincidence, but it is an issue. The other jet is in the middle of the photo though, that compensates a little.
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    Hi GoldYacht nice to hear/see you

    Interesting photo.
    Good tactics of withholding the image!

    Looks like the unidentified objects in the image are in the foreground (Between the camera and STS) which partly helps to size them, going by the escort fighter (a Tallon?) in the background, the objects could be around 10 foot or so in length! (just my opinion there )!
    They are all the same design, but can be seen to be 'NOT' copied and pasted into the image, which is good
    No blurring, so probably moving at near same speed as the STS, following the panning motion of the camera
    Slight light reflections on some of the objects match the STS reflections

    PS: Landing probably,
    Quote female roommate who was some kind of photographer for an event involving the STS flying in
    Very nice image, thx for showing it GoldYacht!

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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Hi GoldYacht nice to hear/see you

    Interesting photo.
    Good tactics of withholding the image!


    Slight light reflections on some of the objects match the STS reflections
    The sun reflecting slightly differently on each object depending on their positions is what stood out for me also.

    Thanks for sharing GoldYacht
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    Could it be birds?

    I see a yellow triangular bird beak pointing to the right at each one, and something like a black tail at the left ends.

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    Quote Posted by Olaf (here)
    Could it be birds?

    I see a yellow triangular bird beak pointing to the right at each one, and something like a black tail at the left ends.
    My first thought was that it is starlings: rotund, dumpily built birds with yellow beaks.



    an addition Birds often fold their wings back against their bodies when flying, which would give them a saucer-like profile in a snapshot.
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    Quote Posted by Olaf (here)
    Could it be birds?
    How likely is it they would all be in the same position? Not even one wing out?

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    Could it be birds?
    How likely is it they would all be in the same position? Not even one wing out?
    It is very likely. That is how birds fly. And birds often fold their wings back against their bodies in flight, and when they are in a flock, they all do it at the same time.

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    I'm not sure it is birds, because I think I can see some light being reflected off of some of these UFOs, which to me indicates a more hard surface than the back of a bird.

    Not birds, but it looks similar to the military aircraft below but from a slightly different angle and this has a metallic surface that reflects sunlight (notice the front end looks pretty similar):

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    Eventhough it is a bit similar in shape, it could still be real UFOs on the picture.

    Source (1:35):

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    Quote Posted by WhiteLove (here)
    I'm not sure it is birds, because I think I can see some light being reflected off of some of these UFOs, which to me indicates a more hard surface than the back of a bird.
    On the contrary, slick, shiny feathers...especially black feathers...have quite a hard look to them, even though we know that they are not. And just because something looks hard, does not mean that it is hard (all kinds of jokes are coming to mind, but never mind...); a mylar balloon looks hard and metallic, and yet it is neither.

    You are free to think what you like, though

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    The underside of the objects are much darker than anything on the piggyback. It's like a different contrast, but I believe it is because the objects are much closer there is less atmospheric disturbance/haze between the lens and them.
    Does the exif data give the focal length of the lens aperture/ shutter speed?
    I think Silkie could be on to something. (Starling feathers can positively shimmer in certain light conditions so reflections are not at all surprising).

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    Silkie (and others), please have a look at the military aircraft picture in my latest post.

    In the bottom left corner there is a bird that looks a little similar, the issue I have is that I question that it really can reflect the amount of sunlight we see on the image that OP posted, if it is birds all of the birds are in the same exact shape all at the same time, easy to copy one bird, but they are all a bit different in angle.



    I wish the image OP posted would have been taken with a giga-pixel camera (http://gigapan.com/cms/shop/epic-pro), then it would have been easier to "see" what those objects are.

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    Quote Posted by WhiteLove (here)



    I wish the image OP posted would have been taken with a giga-pixel camera (http://gigapan.com/cms/shop/epic-pro), then it would have been easier to "see" what those objects are.


    Multi-gigapixel camera image zoom:
    well its not... BTW...I seriously doubt that gigapixels existed in the year it was taken... at least not in civilian possession.

    Not buying the bird hypothesis either

    Methinks it looks like evidence of black ops lifting body craft ...possibly remotely flown.Notice the little winglets at the right and left rear of the body of the craft as well as a deeper 'belly'...all typical of a lifting body design



    I would bet that they were flying something like that in that year...and were cloaked per naked eye.... and an out of eye bandwidth camera nailing it.
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    Look at the assymetry...

    Here:




    ... and here (lower left):



    ... as well as the shine off the bird's back head...
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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Hi GoldYacht nice to hear/see you

    Interesting photo.
    Good tactics of withholding the image!

    Looks like the unidentified objects in the image are in the foreground (Between the camera and STS) which partly helps to size them, going by the escort fighter (a Tallon?) in the background, the objects could be around 10 foot or so in length! (just my opinion there )!
    They are all the same design, but can be seen to be 'NOT' copied and pasted into the image, which is good
    No blurring, so probably moving at near same speed as the STS, following the panning motion of the camera
    Slight light reflections on some of the objects match the STS reflections

    PS: Landing probably,
    Quote female roommate who was some kind of photographer for an event involving the STS flying in
    Very nice image, thx for showing it GoldYacht!

    BTW: have you ever seen unidentified craft?
    I have personally seen several unidentified craft in my lifetime, they were however tiny blips of light very far up in the night sky—nothing up close and personal as of yet. The best sightings I've had are when a single light would appear high up in the sky, increase in brightness more than the stars around it, then disappear totally. Those are the truly unforgettable ones that shake the bones and warm the heart. I have been on some CE-5 contact meditations and we have seen some craft/orbs but nothing that was photographed up close. More are sure to come I have no doubts! —GoldYacht
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    Quote Posted by Silkie (here)
    Quote Posted by deadfoot (here)
    Quote Posted by Olaf (here)
    Could it be birds?
    How likely is it they would all be in the same position? Not even one wing out?
    It is very likely. That is how birds fly. And birds often fold their wings back against their bodies in flight, and when they are in a flock, they all do it at the same time.
    I took another look at the picture and am convinced now that Silkie's got it figured out - it's Starlings. I noticed that the birds are much much closer to the camera than the planes. The person taking the picture would likely not have noticed them when the picture was taken because from her perspective the birds would have zipped past very quickly, like in a split-second. The birds were probably spooked by something, maybe the sound of the plane engines approaching, and took off together. In addition, Starlings have a very shiny coat, which would explain some of reflection seen.

    It's interesting she caught the birds mid-flight like that, especially all wing-in and in reasonable focus. Probably couldn't get that pic again if she tried.

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    I've just finished listening to the new San Francisco presentation by David Wilcock posted by PathWalker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maNZkTuigPo

    He explains that these UFO might be a type of craft called the "DART". I am now really convinced we may be seeing these tiny "DART" craft that was explained in his presentation. This is very new information and a lot of Avalon members may not even have heard of this before.

    Here is the post by PathWalker: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Space-Program
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    Quote Posted by WhiteLove (here)
    It is an interesting image and it does not get less interesting by the story behind it - I'm thinking of the fact that the person who took the image claimed she did not see the UFOs with her naked eyes and discovered them later, that makes some sense. For some reason the shuttle did not end up in the middle of the photo, as if the person taking the photos could see the UFOs and wanted all flying objects on the same picture. Could have been a coincidence, but it is an issue. The other jet is in the middle of the photo though, that compensates a little.
    the person taking the photo was using the 'thirds' method of composition. A good photo does not have the subject in the middle of the frame, but in the left or right hand third of the image.
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    Starling feathers,



    and a purple martin, I believe,



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    Quote Posted by Olaf (here)
    Could it be birds?

    I see a yellow triangular bird beak pointing to the right at each one, and something like a black tail at the left ends.

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    To add to that, there is atmospheric effect of "fog" (seen as bluish-white tinting) between the camera and the planes / shuttle, yet no "fog" exists for the "ufos". This means the "ufos" are substantially closer to the camera than the plane / shuttle; and therefore a lot smaller in real life than they appear in the image.

    I am certain they are birds. Some birds do flap in sync when in a group (just like people tend to step in sync in a group), which so far, the lack of asymmetry (wing positions) would be the only argument worth looking at that they are not birds, in my opinion.

    Also, that the photographer never noticed them, one tends to ignore or block things like birds or bugs when trying to get "that shot".
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