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    Default Last NAZI Apollo scientist from 'Operation Paperclip' Oscar Holderer dies aged 95 in Alabama

    When the U.S. recruited Nazis for 'Operation Paperclip'



    Published on 31 Mar 2014

    After World War II, the government recruited dedicated Nazis — the scientists
    behind Hitler's formidable war machine — to come to the U.S. to protect American
    interests during the Cold War. Jeffrey Brown talks to journalist Annie Jacobsen
    about her new book, "Operation Paperclip," which sheds light on this veiled national
    security program and confronts the moral conundrum of whitewashing the past.

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    Last surviving German space rocket engineer that helped U.S. put man on the moon,
    Oscar Holderer, dies aged 95 German scientist who designed Apollo 11 rocket dies in
    Alabama aged 95 Was last known member of the German team who came to US after
    the war Oscar Carl Holderer used rulers and pencils to design the Saturn V rocket
    Devices he created are still in use at the US, state-run rocket training centre

    By Callum Paton For Mailonline

    Published: 23:26, 6 May 2015 | Updated: 18:35, 7 May 2015

    The last surviving member of the German engineering team that helped the US put
    man on the moon and came to America after World War Two has died.

    Oscar Carl Holderer died on Tuesday in Huntsville, Alabama. He was 95.


    Born in Germany the year after World War I ended, Holderer came to the United States
    in 1945 with a group of 120 rocket engineers led by Wernher von Braun. Their move
    was part of a project called 'Operation Paperclip' that transferred technology for the
    German V-2 and other rockets to the United States.



    Oscar Carl Holderer died on Tuesday in Huntsville, Alabama. He was 95 and had
    recently suffered a stroke'He brought our first rocket wind tunnel in this country
    from Germany and personally set it up,' said Ed Buckbee, a space historian and
    former NASA publicist.First based at White Sands, New Mexico, the team moved in
    1950 to north Alabama's Redstone Arsenal, where they used early computers, slide
    rulers and pencils to design the Saturn V rocket that first took astronauts to the
    lunar surface in 1969.

    Holderer said his father — a mechanical engineer, designer and fabricator who
    became a U.S. citizen in 1955 — designed the high-speed wind tunnel that was
    used to develop Saturn and then oversaw its construction at NASA's Marshall Space
    Flight Center, located at Redstone.

    'He was one of the more hands-on members of the team,' His son Michael Holderer
    said. 'He had his own machine shop here in town as a hobby.'

    Some members of the von Braun team eventually returned to Germany and others
    spread out across the United States after retirement, but Holderer was the last
    known survivor of the original group, Buckbee said.



    The Saturn V rocket (left) carried the Apollo 11 mission to the moon.Holderer had
    previously worked on German V-2 (right) and other rockets which were used by the Nazis

    'He was a very talented man, not only an aeroballistics expert but very
    accomplished in design and fabrication,' said Buckbee.While von Braun and some
    high-level members of his team faced questions about alleged Nazi ties, Holderer
    didn't. 'He was just never at that level of supervision,' Buckbee said.

    Following his retirement from NASA in 1974, Holderer built training devices that are
    still in use at the state-run U.S. Space and Rocket Center, located near NASA's
    Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville.



    Wernher von Braun, the head of the German team, appears alongside the an
    explanatory model of the rocket that would eventually take man to the moon



    Buzz Aldrin walks on the moon; The move of the German scientists was part of a
    project called 'Operation Paperclip' that transferred technology for the German
    rockets to the United StatesWorking in his shop, Holderer converted the tail section
    of a jetliner into a small theater for the space museum.

    'They would tilt it back to simulate acceleration,' His son said.

    Survivors include his wife, two sons and two stepchildren. The family will hold a
    visitation Friday, followed by private interment.

    Carl suffered a stroke last week and did not recover.


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    Oscar Carl Holderer, German-born Rocket Expert, Dies at 95

    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESSMAY 7, 2015

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/08/us...s&emc=rss&_r=0

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    The technological line to the V-2

    By Paul Rincon BBC News Online science staff


    Rocket takes off at Peenemuende Internet
    Post-war rocketry traces a line to Peenemuende

    In the first of two features, BBC News Online looks at the legacy of the V-2 rocket
    - how the Americans and the Soviets raced to exploit the German technology and
    expertise they had captured at the end of WW II.

    Read more....

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3642348.stm

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

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    Operation Paperclip- The CIA, NASA & The Third Reich



    Published on 25 Mar 2013


    Operation Paperclip was the codename under which the US intelligence and military
    services extricated scientists from Germany, during and after the final stages of
    World War II. The project was originally called Operation Overcast, and is
    sometimes also known as Project Paperclip.

    Of particular interest were scientists specialising in aerodynamics and rocketry
    (such as those involved in the V-1 and V-2 projects), chemical weapons, chemical
    reaction technology and medicine. These scientists and their families were secretly
    brought to the United States, without State Department review and approval; their
    service for Hitler's Third Reich, NSDAP and SS memberships as well as the
    classification of many as war criminals or security threats also disqualified them
    from officially obtaining visas. An aim of the operation was capturing equipment
    before the Soviets came in. The US Army destroyed some of the German
    equipment to prevent it from being captured by the advancing Soviet Army.

    The majority of the scientists, numbering almost 500, were deployed at White
    Sands Proving Ground, New Mexico, Fort Bliss, Texas and Huntsville, Alabama to
    work on guided missile and ballistic missile technology. This in turn led to the
    foundation of NASA and the US ICBM program.

    Much of the information surrounding Operation Paperclip is still classified.
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    Default Re: Last NAZI Apollo scientist from 'Operation Paperclip' Oscar Holderer dies aged 95 in Alabama

    Nice to see that "Operation Paperclip", an important chapter to understanding our secret history, is finally being discussed on the PBS NewsHour. One wonders when Public TV news will start mentioning "MK-ULTRA" or start covering the U.S. military and intelligence community involvement in the UFO cover-up.

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    Default Re: Last NAZI Apollo scientist from 'Operation Paperclip' Oscar Holderer dies aged 95 in Alabama

    This is a interesting presentation with much missing as with her Area 51 book.
    But it is still good as what she says is enough to ask many questions about the
    moral and even necessity for project paper clip . The Russian threat was there
    but it was definitely played up by General Gahlen and others who were
    manipulating both sides for their own agendas.

    There is an interesting question in the Q & A , asking why Mossad did not kidnap
    them from US streets as they did elsewhere ? which Annie deflected by saying she
    did not investigate any Mossad links , which is very telling imo. ( maybe something
    to do with Israel getting nukes ? and unconditional US military support ? ) Some
    other good questions as well.

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    Annie Jacobsen "Operation Paperclip"




    Published on 15 Mar 2014


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    Author Annie Jacobsen presents a fascinating topic from her new book, Operation Paperclip,
    and takes questions from the audience. This event was recorded February 26, 2014 at Politics
    & Prose bookstore in Washington, D.C.

    Founded by Carla Cohen and Barbara Meade in 1984, Politics & Prose Bookstore is Washington,
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    Default Re: Last NAZI Apollo scientist from 'Operation Paperclip' Oscar Holderer dies aged 95 in Alabama

    88 scientists.

    No quite.

    The final total was apparently closer to seven thousand individuals.

    Most went into black projects, technological areas and operations that still don't officially exist.
    Interdimensional Civil Servant

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    Default Re: Last NAZI Apollo scientist from 'Operation Paperclip' Oscar Holderer dies aged 95 in Alabama

    Oscar Holderer and more than 110 other German scientist were a very important group in a community that went to a sleepy town of 12,000 people to become one of the centers of technology for our alternate government off world research.

    The attached link is to the related article in our local paper:

    http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/...l#incart_river

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