I hear voices... is it schizophrenia?

[Agape]

Posted by araucaria (here)
I am in no position to give advice of any kind, but on purely methodological grounds, if you want to try without meds then you could perhaps also try without the marijuana. If your condition does not improve, then it probably wasn’t the marijuana; if it does, then it probably was. You cannot decide what you can absorb today either in terms of what others do or even in terms of what you yourself used to do – you can develop an intolerance that others don’t have and that you didn’t have before. So you need to find this baseline. The same methods works with food allergies. You can become allergic to something like almonds or mushrooms that you have enjoyed for years; and when you trace the sickness to the cause, you cut them out of your diet, no meds required.

I'd completely support that opinion as well . Yes marijuana can do that , especially with prolonged use or large amounts , the same is probably true for any psychoactive drug .
There's also difference in the way this herb had been used in its original culture in India , by sadhus ( religious mendicants ) most of whom are not on any job for the rest of their lives anyway and just keep sitting at the holy banks of Ganga and smoking chelums ( pipes ) but those people are in good company to each other and have 'spiritual elevation'.
Even there , someone goes 'out spaced' occasionally - mostly with temper bursts and needs to be calmed but they don't use drugs or violence in general .
Sadhus who are slightly or more psychotic can be clearly discerned from others, the community knows about them and surprisingly , can handle it .

On the other hand , where it concerns mundane people and 'recreational use' , there or here in Western society , with people who don't have good spiritual foundation neither deeper meditative experience and good command of themselves ,
they more than often end up with 'strange experiences' and sometimes in emergency units .

I've also heard that here 'in the West' there are genetically engineered plants grown that have large amounts of THC , that's the chemical supposedly making you feel 'high' .
Well, the truth is .. that the original marijuana plant may have had balanced amount of chemicals and hence also , moderate healing properties .

The same way tobacco was originally used in 'peace pipes' by Native American and other tribes
but proliferated to neurotic , habitual and smelly habit in modern , mundane society ,

the so called 'recreational use of marijuana' by many young people who are in evolution, don't know what's happening with them but push the hurdle hard to lose their minds on drugs can be dangerous to them .

It's effects wean off easily though so going 'cold turkey' is certainly the first aid option.

[Lifebringer]

Sheesh AMystic, 12? Were you suicidal or something? I've heard of2, 3 and 4 bang LSD hits, but 12? You're either here for something important or one very lucky soul vehicle. Be careful w/peer pressure, it will kill ya. The dare days were pretty dangerous, eh?

[Selkie]

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
...As far as calming the voices they are usually only there when im alone when im talking to people or around people they get quiet which bugs me out cause it feels like im being watched by them

I see. Man, I am really sorry to hear that.

[prc]

Hi,

I wanted to tell you that I have schizophrenic on my family and voices disappeared and the treatment was successful after taking the medicine named GEODON produced by PFIZER.
So if it is really schizophrenia you could try the same medicine and see how it goes.

[Hervé]

Regarding the targetting of individuals, facilitated by psychothropic drugs "experiences," read that PDF by Dr. Robert Duncan:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Robert-Duncan

A very simple technique which might help and/or bring some relief: Zero point core grounding - the easy way

[Ikarusion]

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
After I took all that LSD I just could never relax anymore. Always felt a figet in my stomache also I wanted nothing to do with my past I thought it was all a lie.

so since then you mainly smoke to relax i take it?
where there maybe any kind of past traumas that you subconciously wanted to block out?

i am still curious what made you take such a huge dose of lsd.. is(was) 12 your lucky number?

i really think you should pick up meditation to calm yourself. it will probably be kinda hard in the beginning though.

[TheVoyager]

AMystic3434 , drugs open inter dimensional doors. When we enter the game of another we become subject to the laws of the game of another. That's why curiosity killed the cat. You've opened your door each time you've taken drugs, so one of the results might very well be the voices in your head. No, not everybody should and feel the same after having taken drugs. This would be like saying that everybody should feel the same after they've taken the same meal. Impossible.

We can't really know what is the reason for you issue until you go to the original cause of the effect, which is the issue you have at the present time, clear it, heal the reason of why have you taken drugs in the first place and break the agreements/ agreements of entrapment and the interferences that you've invited in; on all levels and all dimensions.

I would not recommend to take any official medicine that is given nowadays for this type of labels (schizophrenia, bipolar etc.) since they lower our defenses which results again in opening ourselves to other interferences. It's like we would open the door to our house to anybody or anything that can enter. Well be assured that somebody or something will then enter and will start to rearrange our home, take things out, destroying, using etc… i.e. making our home theirs. That's why people on psychotropic drugs can behave in unrecognizable way (because at the time when they act "weird" it is not their spirit that is driving their vehicle but those invading forces) and many times they commit a suicide, driven by those forces. There is a larger agenda behind this and much is written about it when we know how to connect the pieces of the puzzle.

You might want to have a look at Holographic Kinetics healing modality. It is based on Australian aboriginal knowledge of the laws of Lore and their understanding that all things in nature have a life force known as spirit, that can be communicated with.
It is a conscious and fast journey that takes you straight back to the original cause of your issues, clear them and heal them on all levels and all dimensions. You get to break the agreements and you get rid of interferences, if there is any present as a result of that issue.

Have a look at this video introduction of Steve Richards, the founder of Holographic Kinetics, talking about inter-dimensional interferences.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A-Texwhn91A

[uzn]

Hi amystic3434,
there is a good Chance that you are perfectly well. Fist of all there are 2 kinds of voices, and if not really well trained one should not listen to either of them. The first Kind are Spirits (non boby entities) and they always have an Agenda. Like you said, they are disappointed by you and want you to do this or think that. Untrained you cannot tell the difference between good and evil (lost) Spirits. The evil ones tend to lie whenever it suits them (sometimes posing as being good), the good ones will tell the truth. So no easy way to tell the difference. Spirits are easy called but hard to get rid of. DONT give up to them or if asked if they can enter you dont give them your permission, if you do your in big Trouble (possessed). If you are dealing with Spirits try to get their real names. Just ask them, if they do not comply dont talk to them anymore (that bugs them). If you have their Name you have power over them. You can call them whenever you like, call out their Name 3 times. You then can command them to leave you alone. The second Kind is hightec. Some BlackOps have the ability to put voices in your head over long distances (works with frequencies similar to brainwaves) and they can listen in to your surrounding so they know what you say. Either way if you feel that the voices have an Agenda (trying to get you to do something or believe something) than they are not the nice Kind.
To the other replies: Drugs are not Triggers, they are amplifiers. The voices would have come anyway, with drugs they came sooner.
Sorry about the large letters in the text (german Textcorrection).
be strong

[shadowstalker]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
It is either schizophrenia, or microwave hearing technology and you are a targeted individual IMO. The negative comments sounds like microwave hearing to me, but I am not an expert on schizophrenia. I just know lots of people are misdiagnosed due to targeting. They like to hit people with the voices so they get schizophrenia diagnosis and get on harmful meds, as well as the character assassination of such events.

If the meds do nothing for you and it continues after you stop smoking, it may be more likely targeting IMHO.

I agree with Omni, big time.

[Pam]

I have just been witness to a 67 year old man that started smoking marijuana after it was legalized. He had smoked it in his youth, but not for many, many years. To make a strong story short, it triggered a full blown psychotic state that lasted for months. Apparently, there is a portion of the population that cannot tolerate MJ.

I can't imagine a true spiritual guide would tell you that you are going to hell, so I suspect that you too are experiencing delusions, brought on by the MJ. I am guessing you will be very vulnerable to this and must guard your mental health. There are proactive things you can do as well. Making sure you have nutritious food and taking a good quality B complex vitamin for instance. It's also important to get enough good quality sleep.

Wishing you the best AMystic3434.

[Hervé]

It might also be worth your time to dig into the story of a (former) member going by the nickname "Justone" and who had similar side effects to MJ. The morale of his story: QUIT that stuff!

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
Ive been hearing voices for about 10 years on and off they mainly come when I smoke marijuana for about a month straight....

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[Flash]

Posted by Hervé (here)
It might also be worth your time to dig into the story of a (former) member going by the nickname "Justone" and who had similar side effects to MJ. The morale of his story: QUIT that stuff!

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
Ive been hearing voices for about 10 years on and off they mainly come when I smoke marijuana for about a month straight....

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A psychiatrist from one of a main hospital in our capital told me once that nowadays they have a lot of cases of Young people who end up in psychiatric wards whom would never had had any mental disease diagnosis just 20 years ago.

He told me that marijuana is soooooo much more potent than it was years ago, and that sooooo mixed with other stuff, both have independently a huge effect on the brain.

He also told me that lots of time the symptoms are irreversible, the brain has changed and won't go back.

In old hippie's terms, they have fried their brain.

Stop frying yours.

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I do not buy at all the targetted individual with microwaves for heavy pot smokers or cocaine addicts or heroin addicts or alcoolics. All these drugs make you hallucinate when over consumed.

But I do think that drugs may open interdimensional doors and get you with suckers who in turn make you hallucinate.

But this is not important, it is the drug that has to be stopped.

When younger after a full year of daily smoking stuff that was naturally biologically grown and which was much less potent than today's seeds, i was becoming paranoi pretty much. So I stopped smoking instead of losing my brain to it.

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And apart from being Joan of Arc, the voices should not be there, that they are nice or not, mostly when they bring nothing to your life or others life. Period. Do not excuse them or it.

[Innocent Warrior]

One thing has been bugging me, that the voices come and go. I've never heard of the voices etc. coming and going, varying in intensity on different days or at different times - yes, but coming and going - no. This also depends on how consistent you have been with taking your medication?

This has got me leaning more towards some adverse affect from mj and that Omni's approach is also worth considering.

P.S. I'd still go with the shaman, either way.

[regnak]

if you are hearing voices seek professional help it could any number of things from possession to channel we are divine I would open myself to the divine and request guidance I would personally seek out Qigong (healing ) one who specialist in daoist ( special in possession ) . herbs here I think are a necessity so go to your local herbalist I have read of herbs to take but seek expert advice one far more knowledge than me.

give up what your are smoking for if you continue it might come back or get worse

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hello there AMystic3434

First, although you report this issue to have been ongoing for 10 years,
remember that for many issues there are treatments constantly being discovered,
often far superior to the crap being tossed at us by "mainstream" medicine.

One recent factor that many doctors are starting to consider in mental illness, its development and diagnosis, and of course, treatment, is hereditary malnutrition!

What I mean by that is, some people are born with or acquire later, the inability for their bodies to tolerate their own Folate (vitamin B) receptors.

Which means that as a person ages and becomes more and more stressed, the body's reserves of folate and also its folate receptors become vastly depleted.

When the body reaches this point of vitamin B starvation, all kinds of weird symptoms arise.

A good disease to research to support the view that these illnesses may be nutritional is Pellagra.

Pellagra is acute folate-defiency that causes all manner of hallucination.

Do your finger nails have any deformations?
When I have low vitamins, mine have vertical ridges and small pits in them,
indicating that my body is missing some essential element or other.


And we, being physical machines on top of being spiritual beings, must have our parts in order, or we can't do our work.

Don't let people tell you, it's all in your head;
our quantum universe is way too wacky for that.





I've noticed recently that some doctors really don't want to give out the schizophrenia diagnosis even when a patient asks... so there could really be something to this vitamin thing.


The last big doctor I saw is retired now but he introduced me to a vitamin preparation called "D-Methylfolate" or DEPLIN for short.

It's new and expensive, but it could be possible to get it another way or through CRowdfunding. (a new wonderful thing).



I struggle all the time with my own issues that stem from Asperger's and hereditary vitamin deficiency, God knows what else lol, but dealing with the diet is #1 issue, #2 is controlling when you get up in the morning NOT when you go to bed, according to this doctor, and #3 was exercise.



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three years ago I stayed for a week or so in a homeless shelter.
When I told them about my PTSD they threw me in with the women who suffered OCD and schizophrenia, so I got to see first hand what those symptoms are like.

One woman had a hell of a time going to bed because she thought she was hearing or WAS hearing the upstairs neighbors play loud music. I no longer have amazing hearing and was unable to confirm/deny.

The other women told me awful things about this patient, i.e. "she's a witch" the whole nine yards, but honestly they didnt' understand her illness and were very afraid.



however yet another schizophrenic tenant had an extremely negative spiritual reaction to me personally out in the smoking area. SHe said "why have you been troubling me in the spirit for the last 3 years?" and the funny thing was I'd lived in that city for 3 years.

Go figure, lots of the other women said things that were true, in between the things that were crazy..

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p.p.s. about the Marijuana. Personally I don't think it's the cause of positive symptoms i.e. hallucinations. however it can send your metabolism trending toward the place where that can happen. some people need to watch their blood sugar and vitamin intake like hawks, as smoking ANY substances causes vitamin depletion and metabolic change

most serious potheads take a pot break, the naturopaths say about two days per month or you worry too much.



Think Twice before Blaming That Weed:

http://www.attn.com/stories/83/new-s...eimers-disease


New Study: Marijuana Slows Down Alzheimer's Disease

http://norml.org/library/item/amyotr...-sclerosis-als

recent preclinical findings indicate that cannabinoids can delay ALS progression, lending support to anecdotal reports by patients that cannabinoids may be efficacious in moderating the disease’s development and in alleviating certain ALS-related symptoms such as pain, appetite loss, depression and drooling.[1]


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Doctors really should get current before lambasting the weed.
Because lots of people would have had health issues either way,
and it's just an easy thing to blame.

I know MJ can change the brain but that does not mean it's destroying a thing...
how can something that prevents Alzheimers from killing you be bad?

I think it's a gift from God, and that's what I tell my family who suffers from cancer and other crap... they don't like hearing that from a low life but it's still the truth and the most recent truth, just ask Dr. Gupta from CNN

[Valley]

I have known a couple different people who have also dealt with voices similar like those you describe... and I've asked them a lot of questions about their experiences. What I found was that the negative voices would get quieter and disappear completely when these people were doing things that they enjoyed. Sometimes talking to and being with others they get along with, singing/chanting, listening to positive music, working on meaningful projects, or connecting with Nature would cause them to vanish... but it was always when they were doing the things that they enjoyed doing, activities that had positive meaning for them.

Both of these people had difficulties with bouts of depression and low self-esteem/self-love... This seems to be what could have attracted these beings. These 'dark' beings seem almost like a type of energetic parasite, feeding off the negative energies emitted by people in lower states of mind. ...Kind of like a fly attracted to manure.

So if you can get yourself to stay in more positive frames of mind by doing and thinking about the things you enjoy and has deeper meaning for you... I expect that these voices, will not be bothering you much at all. Identifying yourself with any 'problematic' words like schizoid will not help anything at all in my view. I think you can easily get this under control simply by moving forward in life and focusing on positive and meaningful activities and thinking. You are still in control of your mind, Yes?

Love & Blessings...

[Czarek]

[QUOTE=Omniverse;959574]It is either schizophrenia, or microwave hearing technology and you are a targeted individual IMO. The negative comments sounds like microwave hearing to me, but I am not an expert on schizophrenia. I just know lots of people are misdiagnosed due to targeting. They like to hit people with the voices so they get schizophrenia diagnosis and get on harmful meds, as well as the character assassination of such events.

If the meds do nothing for you and it continues after you stop smoking, it may be more likely targeting IMHO.[/QUOTE

can this attack be avoided? I wonder if Faraday cage would work. You can find one at your local hospital that has the MRI unit. All MRI units sit in massive rooms that are shielded. i.e. they are in fact massive faraday cages.

[ghostrider]

it is said that will long term use , cannabis destroys brain cells ... the PTB have weapons that makes you hear voices ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7yZUohJ8gg the HAARP conspiracy ... the scientist demonstrates how easy it is , to make voices in your mind ...

[Omni]

Posted by Czarek (here)
can this attack be avoided? I wonder if Faraday cage would work. You can find one at your local hospital that has the MRI unit. All MRI units sit in massive rooms that are shielded. i.e. they are in fact massive faraday cages.

With the highest priority targets in my experiences no technological attack can be avoided. I have been under 1,000 feet of rock in a cave, and still had my body controlled, electronic telepathy, and mind control. I would think they have to have interdimensional anti-grav flight capable satellites that follow people around for who knows how many targets(I am one). They have spent trillions on this I'm pretty sure so they are building more and more every day... Also I believe this can be done by orbital satellites. If it is an orbital satellite there are ways to shield from 'some' types of targeting. Some advanced technology like scalar waves travel through the Earth and environment as far as I know(I could be wrong but I did confirm that somewhere online).

With implants nothing can be avoided IMHO, unless benevolent ET intervention occurs. They are nano sized at times, removing them is impossible. Even if they were big, it's not like you can cut into the brain.... They can insert implants via teleportation, as well as with a device that crawls behind the eyes(I experienced such a device one night). They do not need to abduct to install any implant...

And with that being said I would say there is nothing to fear from targeting(if that even makes any sense). I am one of the most severe targets on Earth no doubt, and I am still happy with my life(my manifestation has a big deal to do with that). Like Bill Hicks says "It's just a ride" (talking about life). After so much torture I've reached a sort of type of enlightenment from it(not all encompassing , just a programming i would relate to enlightenment). May sound really weird, but I'm thankful torture can mean something good. Just goes to show the universe has all sorts of amazing qualities, including profoundly beautiful balancing factors.....

Edit: Forgot my biggest point(for me personally) not even bothering with a cage. I refuse to live that way. It isn't practical. And you do have to leave the cage.......

[BongoBob]

Posted by Wind (here)
Also this article is related to this topic... It's called What a Shaman Sees in A Mental Hospital.

With schizophrenia, there is a special “receptivity to a flow of images and information, which cannot be controlled,” stated Dr. Somé. “When this kind of rush occurs at a time that is not personally chosen, and particularly when it comes with images that are scary and contradictory, the person goes into a frenzy.”

What is required in this situation is first to separate the person’s energy from the extraneous foreign energies, by using shamanic practice (what is known as a “sweep”) to clear the latter out of the individual’s aura. With the clearing of their energy field, the person no longer picks up a flood of information and so no longer has a reason to be scared and disturbed, explains Dr. Somé.

Then it is possible to help the person align with the energy of the spirit being attempting to come through from the other world and give birth to the healer. The blockage of that emergence is what creates problems. “The energy of the healer is a high-voltage energy,” he observes. “When it is blocked, it just burns up the person. It’s like a short-circuit. Fuses are blowing. This is why it can be really scary, and I understand why this culture prefers to confine these people. Here they are yelling and screaming, and they’re put into a straitjacket. That’s a sad image.” Again, the shamanic approach is to work on aligning the energies so there is no blockage, “fuses” aren’t blowing, and the person can become the healer they are meant to be.

It needs to be noted at this point, however, that not all of the spirit beings that enter a person’s energetic field are there for the purposes of promoting healing. There are negative energies as well, which are undesirable presences in the aura. In those cases, the shamanic approach is to remove them from the aura, rather than work to align the discordant energies.

In my experiences, I've read the article linked by Wind previously (it was the first thing that came to mind when I read your first post), and I believe the message sent here is a strong one. Schizophrenia is prevalent in our society because we've evolved (as a 'civilized culture') in a way to ignore the natural order of life. The spirit world tends to seek those whom are most easily available to contact. Hallucinogens work as portals to quickly force open the doors to these other realms, and if you're not ready for them they will bite, and bite hard, into your spirit. There's a double-edged sword here though, because those who seek to use hallicinogenic substances are those who are most ready to seek escape from the constant sensory bombardment and ignorance of our physical mother earth. I know, I'm one who followed this dreaded path for too long, and in some instances, still can't get over the urge of simplicity to follow parts of it.

Drugs like LSD, DMT, psilocybin, and marijuana are a tool for the human experience, and just like a bandsaw, they can cut you to pieces if you don't prepare yourself. At the same time, they also allow you to build the structures that help you plan for a great experience of life if used responsibly. Schizophrenia, in our society, is viewed as a deep and terrifying wound. Read the article above carefully, and realize that there is always a deeper meaning to our struggles. May these voices in your head be the work of a funky short circuit in your brain, or just the ramblings of some lost souls? sure. But in either case, please, please realize that they are not YOU, the soul-level you. They are just another challenge to overcome. If they continue to trouble you though, I would seek out the assistance of a shaman to help guide you through this challenge, because sometimes we need a new person to help guide us through certain parts of our lives.


I can't remember if the article Wind linked provided this information, but I remember reading an article where someone had taken some people with schizophrenia from a mental hospital, and took them to an african tribe for healing. The gist of this article was that the person who was sent for healing was allowed the opportunity to convey themselves with the earth through working with the land, which cured them of the issue of schizophrenia.

Our minds in this current age become so jumbled and confronted with so many topics of discussion and experiences on a daily basis, that it's hard to reconcile every little blinking light in a responsible way. I'd suggest if you can, to convey yourself with the lands around you for a long period of time to ground yourself with the nature of the living worlds around you. Camping, hiking, meditating, and hugging the biggest and most loving trees around you if you can.. Best wishes on your journey.