+ Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 1 3
Results 41 to 47 of 47

Thread: Bigfoot / Sasquatch

  1. Link to Post #41
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    20,223
    Thanks
    66,529
    Thanked 256,531 times in 18,664 posts

    Default Re: Bigfoot / Sasquatch

    Quote Posted by 21g (here)
    Looking around the forum and their is no dedicated threads to Sasquatch ! ?
    Yes, there are several... do make sure you search for 'Bigfoot' as well as 'Sasquatch'.

    Here's one interesting thread... there are others:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ace-of-Bigfoot

    On that thread, I posted this... in my mind still the most compelling Bigfoot report of all time. Read with interest.

    (copied post from here)


    -------

    The following is the the most compelling and (in my view) important Bigfoot/ Sasquatch report I've ever seen.

    From http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2011/07/bigfoot-injured-by-forest-fire-was.html:

    Bigfoot Recovered : injured in Forest Fire

    On August 6, 1999, Battle Mountain, Nevada, exploded into several simultaneous range fires in what would be known as the Battle Mountain Complex Fire. A Bigfoot was hurt in the fire according to an anonymous government employee, who alerted the Bigfoot Field Research Organization (BFRO). The story was later dismissed but acclaimed author and science teacher Thom Powell believe it really happened and that the whole story was an elaborate cover-up.

    In a letter to BFRO dated "7 August 1999, Battle Mountain, Nevada" the anonymous government employee, states:

    "I observed an animal wounded by fire moving on all fours not like a bear. More like ape. Fire fighters captured animal, contacted local vet and medical doctor. U.S. Department of Fish and Wildlife, Department of Interior, and Bureau of Land Management on the scene.

    Animal tranquilized and moved to unknown location. Those at scene told not to talk about what they saw.

    Animal approximately 7.5 feet long/tall, human like arms and legs, face not like man or ape but mixed between. Genitalia: male, uncircumcised and human-like. Hair covering most of body except chest, chest has hair but sparse, hands with sparse hair, palms bare, with five digits with human opposition of thumb and 5th digit.

    Multiple burns

    Speech - attempted to communicate with care-givers once it realized they were attempting to care for it. Multiple burns on hands, feet, legs and body; some 2nd and 3rd degree burns, using "rule of nines" approximately 45 per cent of body with burns.

    Doctor and Vet working together providing care and moved it to unknown location locally. This notice given in violation of orders given by BLM, DOI and DF&W. Witnesses numbered in the area of 30-25. Word is out in the government agencies, and among the firefighters, since an M.D. was called out. Many thought a firefighter was injured.

    Please note that I am a government employee of one of the listed agencies fighting brush fire in wilderness area of Nevada (large scale fire approximately 70,000 acres burned) and under orders not to disclose information.

    Protected area

    I believe a cover up is in the making, people need ro know, the animal needs to be kept alive and studied and released in protected area".

    The BFRO didn't know what to believe and on top of that they had been unable to verify that there had been a fire in the Battle Mountain area. Thom Powell: "Late Monday (August 9) I was finally able to determine from Forest Service sources that there was most certainly a large range fire in this area of Nevada".

    The Battle Mountain Complex Fire had extended to 180,000 acres by Monday and had 610 personnel fighting it at that time.

    Nothing else was heard from their witness despite e-mail attempts to reach him. Then, some ten days after the initial report, the witness contacted their BFRO investigator by phone. Here is parts of the report that the investigator prepared after speaking with the witness:

    Strict anonymity

    "Much to my surprise, tonight at about 9 PM the reporting party of the Battle Mountain incident called me. I talked with the gentleman for about 70 minutes. Although he is maintaining strict anonymity, I was able to put together a bit of a profile of the individual.

    This fellow, whom I will give the pseudonym 'Marty', is a male, full-time worker for a federal agency. Currently he is involved in the joint fire fighting efforts in Nevada. He has extensive EMT training and experience.

    He says that until this incident he had "seen it all" in fire fighting, and these days he stays mostly in the truck manning the radio. He is friendly, but not effusive. He is intelligent, likable, and fairly observant, but he isn't outstandingly articulate. He is a matter-of-fact, low-key, seen-it-all kind of character.

    Very tired

    His regular duties may be in personnel, as he mentioned that tomorrow he would be seeing the M.D. involved in this incident about other matters regarding firefighting crews. It was abvious during our conversation that he was very tired. Our talk ended with 'Marty' saying he had to get to bed to get some rest.

    Approximately 20 people were in the immediate vicinity of the incident. All were debriefed and informed in no uncertain terms that this incident was not to be discussed. There has not been a word about the incident at the BLM fire HQ.

    He is very concerned about keeping his job, and says he would not look forward to taking a lie detector test. He created an e-mail address exclusively for reporting this incident.

    Absolute privacy

    Although I had originally encouraged him to call me collect this lengthy call was on him so he could maintain absolute privacy. He is reporting the incident because he belives the information should get out. We agreed in any future communication to use the term "patient" to describe the Sasquatch. I'll use it here.

    The incident happened in the early afternoon. About 20 fire fighters were directly involved. The injured patient apparently wandered within sight of the fire crew, and was then surrounded.

    The patient "seemed to know that he was captured", because he soon gave up. Marty mentioned this several times - "he just gave up". The patient sat down on his buttocks, giving no evidence of a will to resist. "Like a dog gives up, and then you can do anything with it".

    Singed hair

    The patient was laid out on the ground at first. His injuries were rather serious, including burns to the hands, feet, legs, and trunk, as well as much singed hair.

    It didn't take long for medical services to get to the scene. The attending medical team included the regular M.D. for the fire crews, a vet that Marty didn't recognize, and one or more paramedics.

    The vet was taken aback at working on a creature so human-like, and he is reported to have allowed the physician to do most of the work. At some point Demerol and morphine were administered.

    The patient was placed on a spine board, which was too small. He was then placed on a regular ambulance stretcher. The sides were left down because part of the body hung over too far. The feet hung off the end.

    Bowel sounds

    A cut-down was performed to obtain an intravenous line, and fluids were administered. During the treatment of his wounds and the efforts at life support, the patient communicated with moans, groans and grumbling. Bowel sounds were heard by Marty, who was as close as three feet from the patient.

    No language-like vocalizations were heard. The patient responded to touch: specifically patting and stroking to calm him ("You're not going to find an ape or a monkey responding the same way").

    Two or three times Marty mentioned that the patient was especially responsive to a young Native American woman who started ministering to him right from the very beginning.

    The patient was removed from the scene in the back of a utility truck, not in an ambulance. Marty said an ambulance would have alerted townsfolk and possibly news reporters, thinking that a fire fighter had been injured. No one would follow a nondescript van. The total time from initial sighting to extraction was estimated at three hours.

    Blood

    There was no urination, defecation, or vomit at the scene. The patient did not eat anything during that time. Serum and blood were leaking from the burned areas of the body.

    The area of the arm on which the cut-down was performed was shaved. The hair probably fell to the ground. There was significant blood from the cut-down site and from the subsequent insertion of a venous line, and some of that blood dripped to the ground.

    No one knows where the patient was taken. No video cameras were on the scene to film any aspect of the incident. The fire commander was present. He had a camera, and he did record what he saw.

    The patient is described as being about seven feet tall - "Give or take a few inches". Marty does not give a weight estimate.

    Equine odor

    Most of the body is covered by brownish hair about two inches in length; no gray hairs are evident. There are no mats noted on the coat. There is an odor about the patient. It is not an especially obnoxious odor. Marty calls it a "natural" odor, but he had a hard time describing it. He said it is similar to a strong equine odor.

    The head is not "sloped", the forehead is "heavy boned", the lips large, but human-like, the ears human-like and tight to the head, with the ear lobe attached, not dangling.

    The patient is "strong jawed". He could not remember the color of the eyes, but thought they might be brown. The head is about two times the size of a human head. There is hair on the face, but not on the palms or soles of the feet.

    Great bulk

    There is great bulk to the patient, but there is no fat. He said hos observations of the form of the body did not match with "that film with the one running into the woods", and he called that film a probable hoax.

    The hands are about 1.5 times a human hand; five fingers with opposable thumb. The fingernails are thicker and heavier, and one was chipped. The feet are large; five ties on each foot; no evidence of fractures, injuries, arthritis, or deformation.

    The sexual features are those of an uncircumcised male, matching the human anatomy. Marty made the comment several times that these are not monkey or ape features. He felt he was in the presence of a very human creature.

    Access to the area

    I have asked him to return to the scene and search for the hair from the shaved arm, or even the blood that dripped on the ground. He said he has access to the area, but probably won't be able to return until after the fires are controlled".

    In response to Doug's plea that someone return to the site and search for blood and hair evidence, Marty reported back to him on 26 September: "Dozer has torn up the area. Nothing left. Word is there is still life. Location unknown. Believe within couple hundred miles. Later, Marty".

    Thom Powell: "Doug concluded that the dozer work seemed a bit too convenient and was likely a cover story concocted by Marty to explain away his inability to recover any physical evidence. Doug strongly suspected that the whole matter was a hoax on this basis and that is where the situation pretty much ended".

    Precise detail

    But Thom Powell couldn't leave the case that easily and further on continues: "It is my feeling that this person (Marty) was not lying, and this set of described events really happened. There is simply too much precise detail and a complete absence of error or contradiction".

    The report was dismissed as a probable hoax and never posted for public inspection at the BFRO website, where it might have been seen by someone else who was present at the time and who might have contacted BFRO to confirm or deny the account.

    Three years after the event, Thom Powell dug up the old files on the Battle Mountain matter and decided to try and send Marty an e-mail message and see what happened. Less than twenty four hours later, he was surprised to receive this reply:

    Not disclosed

    "Thom, I had almost forgotten about the event until now. Have not spoken due to the classification that was put on it. The patient was taken to a university or some hospital that was not disclosed. As for verification, well other than my contact with you, I know of no one other than those there on the scene. An affidavit was signed under Department of Interior, and US Forest Service as:

    1. Confidential under penalty of felony arrest and jail time.

    2. Immediate loss of Government Service rank, loss of retirement, and benefits.

    Several meetings were held in reference to "him". I do respect his rights of life and will always be a believer of their existence beyond any shadow of a doubt as seen with my own eyes, smelled with my own nose and heard with my own ears.

    Native man

    His image is still visible as it was then. No monster, no animal but a linage of native man. His trust in us to take care of him and recognize him that harm was not meant when contact was made, knowing that care would be given to him... I am sure that Department of Interior knows where he may have been released.

    What more can I say? Specifics, features, anatomy? Well, stand in front of the mirror and think of man's evolution".

    Thom Powell: "I am left with two inescapable conclusions: First, Bigfoots do exist and second, the government does mot want us to know it. The big question that remains in my mind is: Why? I can think of six possible reasons why secrecy might be imposed".

    ***

    WHY THE BIG SECRETS? Is it that the American Government believes that the people of North America are so unstable that they could not deal with knowledge that the Sasquatch really exists ?

    1) GOVERNMENT PATERNALISM

    It is felt by decision makers in government agencies that the public is somehow not ready to accept the stunning fact that Bigfoot-style creatures exist and at least one species of primates is comfortably ensconced in the forests of North America.

    Perhaps the justification for this arrogant position is derived from the Christian paradigm that humans are the sole heirs to the planet. The acknowledgement of another species so close to our own, even superior in terms of some sensory capabilities would destabilize the Christian paradigm that currently dominates western religious thought.

    2) KEEP MYSTERIES CLASSIFIED

    Perhaps the government entities that we trust as protectors are really just as baffled by this matter as anyone. As with the UFO phenomenon the knee-jerk reaction to government, when confronted with a genuine and profund mystery, is to classify the entire matter as a secret.

    This avoids the uncomfortable alternative of having to stand up and acknowledge that the people we pay to understand threats and protect us from them have no real idea what is going on in this particular realm.

    There is an axiom that may exist within government that boils down to: If we don't understand something, keep it a secret. That way no one will ever ask us to explain it.

    3) LOVE OF SECRETS

    People feel mire important when they have secrets that must be kept. Government agency personnel need to feel their job is important and having important secrets that must be kept serves to validate their work.

    Every branch of government seems to have some kind of secret that must be protected and it is no surprise to me that the land management agencies want a secret also.

    Maybe some day they will even be called to Washington to brief the President or members of Congress on the big, important secret that the public is not prepared to know. What fun.

    4) THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ARGUMENT

    If Bigfoots were officially acknowledged, it wouldn't be long before an injunction was issued and most timber removal from federal land was halted. It is held that environmentalists will immediately seize upon the idea, spotted owl-style.

    They will then find a sympathetic federal judge who would issue an injunction that stops all logging and mining on national forests and rangelands which qualify as Sasquatch habitat.

    While it is probably true that preservationists would try to get the Sasquatch declared as the ultimate endangered species, there is one big, but not so obvious problem with this whole line of thinking: Sasquatches are in no way endangered.

    They may be rare, but they are not endangered. On their own, they keep their numbers down, though I also suspect that most estimates of their numbers are too low.

    It is possible that recent increase in deer populations have also precipitated an increase in Bigfoot populations. They do eat deer and that is a good thing because there are not enough other natural predators to keep deer herds in check. Deer populations have exploded lately and we should hope that there are Sasquatches in this world or we are soon to be absolutely overrun with deer.

    Bigfoots do not seem to require virgin, old growth forests. All they seem to require is a food source and a place where they can be left alone.

    Short of clearing all of the forests away at once, I for one would strenuously argue that Bigfoots are in no way endangered by forest policy and there is virtually nothing we could do to reduce their numbers, even if we set about to do so.

    The Wilderness Act of 1964 and subsequent amendments to it have insured the fact that Sasquatches will always have safe haven.

    5) NATIONAL DEFENSE

    As previously stated, we will only be able to understand why the public is being denied available information about Sasquatches when we know more about the creatures and their capabilities. Since that information will not come from government sources, we are going to have to find out ourselves.

    We already have a good deal of information to suggest that all of the senses of these creatures are more acute than our own. Not only is their sight, hearing, and smell more acute than our own, but they quite likely possess other sensory capabilities that we absolutely lack. They can project a rancid smell much like a skunk and the smell is so overpowering as to nearly incapacitate a person.

    This capability alone suggests a tactical military value in better understanding the Sasquatch. I'm told that the military is already researching tactical use of overpowering but non-toxic smells.

    Other possibilities relating to national defense and tactical military value may not be as far-fetched as they first seem. Infrasound has already been discussed as a concept with tactical military value.

    The fact that Sasquatches possess infrasound capabilities seems likely. When it comes to mental capabilities that we humans do not have, it probably does not end there.

    Every researcher I know of who has been successful in putting themselves near a Sasquatch has mentioned a sixth sense that the creature seem to possess. I have tried to quantify this matter to the best of my ability, but, to attempt to quantify such a speculative matter is futile at present.

    6) GENETIC RESEARCH

    The final possibility centers on the fact that Sasquatches may be human ancestors of such a close lineage that their genetic makeup offers the most intriguing possibilities for genetic research and cross breeding that have ever been considered.

    Sasquatches may be the enduring descendants of the Homo erectus lineage that is generally considered to be extinct. Neanderthal man, Homo Neandertalensis by way of Homo Heidelbergensis, is another distinct possibility.

    If either or both of these human ancestors endures today in the manifestation we call Bigfoot, then the possibilities for interbreeding and other genetic experiments with humans become either intriguing or alarming, depending on which side of the ethical question one stands.

    Thom Powells final words are this bleak conclusion: "How tragic, yet how predictable it is that the government denies the public access to knowledge of a living human relative, an anthropological bombshell, and one of the planet's most remarkable beings".


    FOOTNOTE: Do YOU know anything about The Mountain Complex Fire of August 6, 1999, in Nevada, USA and the capture of the Bigfoot creature mentioned in this feature? Please email Jan Sundberg at GUST and we will forward your information to Thom Powell.

    Source: "The Locals: A Contemporary Investigation of the Bigfoot/Sasquatch Phenomenon" by Thom Powell, Hancock House Publishers USA 2003, ISBN 0-88839-552-3; Chapter 11 "Big Brother", pages 217 to 228, and pages 235 to 239. Bigfoot illustration: RobRoy Menzies. Feature: Jan Sundberg, GUST © 2004.


  2. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    21g (27th June 2015), craig mitchell (9th June 2015), hohoemi (11th June 2015), Jean-Marie (9th June 2015), Krist (10th June 2015), Rex (8th June 2015), RunningDeer (8th June 2015), Soul Safari (9th June 2015), sunflower (9th June 2015), william r sanford72 (8th June 2015)

  3. Link to Post #42
    Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    2nd January 2011
    Posts
    361
    Thanks
    1,006
    Thanked 1,355 times in 300 posts

    Default Re: Bigfoot / Sasquatch

    For those that don't know, Thom Powell is author to "The Locals", a research book about Bigfoot/Sasquatch. My favorite part of the book is when he gets a hunter who had encountered them, to go back and follow his instructions. I won't spoil it for you. Highly recommended.

  4. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Rex For This Post:

    21g (27th June 2015), Bill Ryan (8th June 2015), craig mitchell (10th June 2015), Krist (10th June 2015), sunflower (9th June 2015), william r sanford72 (8th June 2015)

  5. Link to Post #43
    Canada Avalon Member Spellbound's Avatar
    Join Date
    21st December 2010
    Location
    Toronto
    Age
    50
    Posts
    1,017
    Thanks
    5,912
    Thanked 5,961 times in 940 posts

    Default Re: Bigfoot / Sasquatch

    According to John Lear, Sasquatch is an ET that visits the earth as a vacation spot. Ancient Aliens has an entire episode dedicated to Bigfoot is ET theory as well. All I know is, ever since watching that Six Million Dollar Man episode (Secret Of Bigfoot) as a kid, I've long been fascinated by the subject.

    Dave - Toronto

  6. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Spellbound For This Post:

    21g (27th June 2015), craig mitchell (10th June 2015), Krist (10th June 2015)

  7. Link to Post #44
    United States Avalon Member Krist's Avatar
    Join Date
    17th September 2013
    Age
    49
    Posts
    148
    Thanks
    10,307
    Thanked 849 times in 141 posts

    Default Re: Bigfoot / Sasquatch

    "six million dollar man" lol I think they showed a speedometer when bigfoot was running.Funny, forgot about that one Dave!

  8. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Krist For This Post:

    21g (27th June 2015), Spellbound (11th June 2015)

  9. Link to Post #45
    England Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    26th October 2014
    Age
    51
    Posts
    73
    Thanks
    609
    Thanked 367 times in 70 posts

    Default Re: Bigfoot / Sasquatch

    Their are so many documented bigfoot sightings, ranging from the absurd
    to the credible. Every now and then, i come across a witness that makes
    me sit up and take notice.

    Matthew Johnson is one such witness. A career psychologist resident in Oregon.
    He was unsuprisingly a sceptic until his encounter. The way he describes how the encounter
    affected him, is, pretty compelling stuff.

    Sasquatch has an uncanny ability to move people like this. The story is in two parts.

    Here is the first bit.



  10. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to 21g For This Post:

    craig mitchell (29th June 2016), Krist (16th November 2015), sunflower (16th November 2015)

  11. Link to Post #46
    England Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    26th October 2014
    Age
    51
    Posts
    73
    Thanks
    609
    Thanked 367 times in 70 posts

    Default Re: Bigfoot / Sasquatch

    The Almasty - Aka the Russian Bigfoot.

    This is a BBC documentary, 47 mins long, which features a british vet and scientist who endeavour to solve the mystery
    of Bigfoot by collecting and analysing D.N.A. samples. These samples come from what they consider to be the best available sources.

    At the 31 min mark, the crew visit southern Siberia, where they talk with the family and children who filmed an alledged Almasty encounter.
    This videoclip did the rounds on youtube but as far as i know, was not fully debunked.


  12. The Following User Says Thank You to 21g For This Post:

    craig mitchell (29th June 2016)

  13. Link to Post #47
    England Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    26th October 2014
    Age
    51
    Posts
    73
    Thanks
    609
    Thanked 367 times in 70 posts

    Default Re: Bigfoot / Sasquatch

    Possible Almasty ?

    Another youtube video that has yet to be debunked, as far as i am aware. Under 2 mins long.
    Included this as while it may be a technical hoax, i feel pretty sure it is not a man in a monkey suit.


  14. The Following User Says Thank You to 21g For This Post:

    craig mitchell (29th June 2016)

+ Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 1 3

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts