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    I've been toying with the idea of starting a general vegan thread for a while now, primarily because I've wanted to share thoughts and content on the subject which, whilst in alignment with my existing, related thread here, were not necessarily addressing the question posited in that OP and if shared there, would have taken that thread off topic…..hence this one.

    This thread will also serve to minimise my vegan trolling on other threads too. From now on, I'll keep comments I want to make about other thread content to myself, i.e. I'll share them here with a link to the thread/post in question (thanks Carmen). Anyone else is welcome to take the same approach rather than becoming one of those accursed thread-killers - God forbid!

    I'll also be sharing vegan recipes once I've tried them out and I encourage everyone else to do the same, not to mention sharing related nutritional facts, news, commentary, discussion and anything else vegan!

    .....And.....for those wondering why I'm posting here at all, i.e. no reptilians, no NWO goss', no UFO stuff etc……to me at least, the Avalonian catchphrase of "where science and spirituality meet" as well as "Chronicles of the human awakening" bear direct relevance to humanity's transition to a plant-based diet, not to mention the ethical transitions synonymous with such metamorphosis. If folk want me to elaborate on that I will but I'm sure most can understand that if science and spirituality don't meet at the dinner table we will eventually have issues as a conscious species.

    So I guess that wraps up the OP except that, as in previous threads, I would ask everyone to maintain sufficient levels of civility in order to avoid the once inevitable descent into food fight territory, although I think the "Does our treatment of animals affect how we treat each other?" thread has proved that we have, as a collective, evolved beyond such behaviour.
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    The biology of us needs only 3 things to be here, and in this order of importance: O2, H2O, and Amino Acids. I can only go 3 minutes, tops, without a sufficient supply of oxygen, up to three days without any water, and up to 3 weeks without any amino acids. If those basic needs are not met, my body will perish. AND amino acids are made by plants and are not made by animals. There are something like 91 amino acids, and my body will store all but 9 of those, because those 9 are common to all food, so, they don't ever need to be stored as they will recur every time I eat, and the rest can be found by simply eating foods of different colours. The best meals I make myself have whites (rice, potatoes, nuts) greens (take your pick) and reds/yellows/purples etc. which are the fruits and vegetables.
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    Veganism is perhaps the most important aspect of the human awakening and its path to freedom. Been thinking of making the transition for a long time but never made the time. I think sharing of recipes will be a great idea.

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    Quote Posted by andrewgreen (here)
    Veganism is perhaps the most important aspect of the human awakening and its path to freedom. Been thinking of making the transition for a long time but never made the time. I think sharing of recipes will be a great idea.
    I am also thinking I want to see some great vegan recipes, seriously. I love food, and am still rather omnivorous, but have come to rely much less on meat - the way I was raised, if I didn't have big lump of meat for every meal, I would be "malnutritioned". Of course I know now this isn't true, but one still needs to be aware of what their body needs and respond to it accordingly. I do know a couple vegetarians, that claim, "If I strongly crave meat out of the blue, I will indulge in poultry or fish, I have learned to listen to my body". Which I do agree with - listen to your body; however, if you keep everything balanced and get a large vegetable variety, an established vegetarian / vegan shouldn't have this issue. Everyone's body is different and transitioning sometimes take a fair while - in many cases, a body will need to actually change gene expression to be able to adapt to a vegan diet (from carnivorous), and it may take time to go through this transition (depending on metabolism and more specifically gut flora changeover); meanwhile one may feel ill through this process, but it is amazing the adaptability of a human body!

    I always look to Indian (East Indian, not natives) dishes for good vegan or vegetarian recipes - there's plenty of them in India, and for every good Indian meat dish, there is almost always a vegetarian or vegan equivalent. Plus it has flavour!
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    As a disciplined sort on a definite spiritual path -loosely Taoist (discipline) with good amounts of shamanic bits (actions in otherworld) thrown in-, I stick with an identical diet day to day for sensory training/negation/insight?
    I know it's important for me to do, not so much to explain it, anyway here's my diet:

    1st meal: Quinoa with powder supplement mix of 2 parts maca and 1 part each chlorella and spirulina -I sometimes use a green superfood blend. To this I add about 3 ozs of Udo's 3 6 9 oil blend
    2nd: fermented almonds rinsed then but in blender with the same powders mix above
    3rd: Kale, Broccoli, 1 jalapeno, a clove garlic and slice of onion with black beans, after cooked I add nutritional yeast.

    I make a salad with one avocado with the same ingredients as third meal, uncooked, as an alternative a few times a week, some but not all weeks. I also supplement with Cell Food pretty often but not all the time.

    I'd love to try vegan recipes sometime, and get to know other vegans. Naturally this all supports the dietary part of my own path, it would be nice to meet like minded people, at least in the sense of diet and nutritional care.
    Great idea for a thread!
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    Eating meat is the #1 taboo on ProjectAvalon and I wonder why.
    Are we insidiously being manipulated in being Vegan? Why is being Vegan so closely linked to spirituality?

    In human terms, we seem te be on top of the food chain. We are also highly dependant on it. On the short term, a vegan diet kan clense the body very much.
    For a longer time, we will see a lot of infirtility problems. Being vegan simply is NOT sufficiënt for a human body.

    The people of earth knew this. THERE IS NOT 1 KNOWN PRIMITIVE FOLK WHO LIVED VEGAN. NOT EVEN VEGETARIAN!! They all lived highly on animal fats and organ meats.
    These people where highly developed spiritualy, mentally, fysically and emotionally. They where one with nature and the animal life and where capable of keeping themselves healthy for thousands of years.

    For reference: Check Weston Price for his pictures of these people and his findings. The photo's he made of these people are highly illustrative.
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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    .....I always look to Indian (East Indian, not natives) dishes for good vegan or vegetarian recipes - there's plenty of them in India, and for every good Indian meat dish, there is almost always a vegetarian or vegan equivalent. Plus it has flavour!
    Generic Vegan Curry - Customise It To Your Taste

    We knock up an Indian regularly (not sure that sounded entirely pc) usually gently frying onion and garlic and adding garam masala, madras or vindaloo curry powder depending on bravery levels, along with cumin seeds and freshly ground coriander seeds and cardamon seeds, normally followed by mushroom, aubergine, chopped tomatoes (tinned is ok), broccoli, chard, spinach, oodles of fresh coriander (cilantro to those over the pond) and basically whatever's in the fridge / garden at the time. Par-boiled (approx' 5 minutes in boiling water) spuds and carrots always work too. A good spoonful or two of tahini helps to give the sauce more body as well as home-made coconut cream (see below) if we're after a more korma-type dish. Water can obviously be added if it's not saucy enough. I'll then season with Himalayan salt and serve over basmati rice, brown or white depending on regularity status ; )

    Home-made Coconut Cream / Milk

    The coconut cream is very easy and doubles up as our staple milk when more water is added, making it suitable for cocoa (killa!) pouring over cereals, tea, coffee etc...or just drinking on its own.

    Basically first remove the liquid from a coconut. Coconuts have three dark spots at the top, two being hard and one being soft. Plunge the tip of the strongest knife in your draw into the soft spot and twist repeatedly until you have bored a hole 5-10mm in the shell. Then force a suitably sized wooden spoon handle through the hole in the shell and into the flesh beyond.

    Then, turn the coconut upside down and drain into a glass.

    Then the fun part - go outside and smash it on the concrete - I literally hurl it at the ground (great tension reliever).

    Collect the pieces, prise off any remaining shell with the knife, wash and then cut into 2mm thick slices. If you have a Vitamix (seriously hardcore blender) you probably don't need to cut them so thin.

    Then add to the blender jug along with 500ml hot / boiling water or at least warm enough to melt the oil within the flesh. If not it will congeal around the sides of the blender jug rather than emulsifying with the water.

    Blend on high (the way God does it lol) for about a minute.

    If it's to be cream for a curry (Thai or Indian) it can then be poured through a fine sieve over the contents of the frying pan (see above) and simmered for a few minutes to complete the dish.

    If it's going to be milk, empty the contents of the sieve back into the blender and repeat twice so you end up with 1.5 litres of coconut milk.

    Finally, add 2 teaspoons of sugar and 1/4 teaspoon of Himalayan salt to season (fine tune according to taste), then bottle and you're done. I Always put the bottles in the sink filled with cold water to cool them down quicker and then put them in the fridge. It helps the milk keep for longer - typically 3 days, but even when it does start to turn it can still be used for lassi-type smoothies.

    Depending on the price of coconuts and your location, making your own milk will typically be anything from 200-1000% (west - tropics) cheaper than buying ready-made coconut milk, and of the ones I have bought, home made tastes infinitely better if and it's a big if, your coconut is not rancid. Basically if the nectar is tart instead of sweet or the flesh tastes / smells "soapy", launch it and get another one.
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    Quote Posted by Joey (here)
    Eating meat is the #1 taboo on ProjectAvalon and I wonder why.
    Are we insidiously being manipulated in being Vegan? Why is being Vegan so closely linked to spirituality?

    In human terms, we seem te be on top of the food chain. We are also highly dependant on it. On the short term, a vegan diet kan clense the body very much.
    For a longer time, we will see a lot of infirtility problems. Being vegan simply is NOT sufficiënt for a human body.

    The people of earth knew this. THERE IS NOT 1 KNOWN PRIMITIVE FOLK WHO LIVED VEGAN. NOT EVEN VEGETARIAN!! They all lived highly on animal fats and organ meats.
    These people where highly developed spiritualy, mentally, fysically and emotionally. They where one with nature and the animal life and where capable of keeping themselves healthy for thousands of years.

    For reference: Check Weston Price for his pictures of these people and his findings. The photo's he made of these people are highly illustrative.
    Hi Joey.

    The hostility I have repeatedly experienced as a vegan on Avalon suggests it is veganism which is taboo. Not the other way round. People rarely lose friends advocating a continuation of the status quo.

    Personally speaking, my heart told me to go vegan, rather than some insidious, hidden power structure, although with many high profile celeb's making the change I totally understand why you might ask that question.

    Regarding Weston Price, maybe check his wiki page (here).

    Quote Price made a whirlwind tour of primitive areas, examined the natives superficially, and jumped to simplistic conclusions. While extolling their health, he ignored their short life expectancy and high rates of infant mortality, endemic diseases, and malnutrition.
    Maybe cite sources for the claims you made so I can check them out.

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    Well, I see a lot of people claiming to be vegan these days. The discussions about food seem to be taken very polite and both camps seem very vulnerable, identifying very much with the subject.
    Here on Avalon I see a lot of people swearing by vegan or vegetarian diets, it seems like a religion to me. Which it shouldn't.

    Let me put this first: I am very sincere in the search for the perfect human food. And altough i would like it to be vegan, primarly for the ethics regarding animal suffering, I found it to be quite the opposite.

    The book of Weston Price is VERY detailed and he DID NOT jump to simplistic conclusions. He foudn those 'primitives' in very good physical condition, very well build, no cavaties and chronic disease seemed to be absent.
    These people did not know the degenerative diseases like we do (artritis, dementia, osteoarthritis, heart and vascular diseases, etc.) The Primitives had very well build teeth, while not knowing braces or dentists. They got very old, much older than we do now. The claim of the article that they knew these disease is a lie.

    This is al, like I said, very well documented. For more info from one of the leading faces of Weston Price these days, check this short interview, it's half an hour of listening and you will get the message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDA-f5r3RuQ

    I respect your choice regarding being Vegan and for your personal development it can be a very learning experience. Here in Holland, the government is promoting a semi vegetarian diet. We have a lot of sick people.

    I would like to open these taboos and join in a good conversation. It is important.
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    ummm ... biologically we do not have the teeth to be carnivores. At all. Only those species with scissor teeth, like wolves and cats, are natural carnivores. This isn't opinion, it's fact.

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    Quote Posted by Earthlink (here)
    ummm ... biologically we do not have the teeth to be carnivores. At all. Only those species with scissor teeth, like wolves and cats, are natural carnivores. This isn't opinion, it's fact.
    That is because we as humans have the capability to think, be creative and act. We don't have a pelt either and we don't have an inbuilt 'weapon' like a lot of animals. We are supposed to cook, fry or bake our food touroughly so it is digestible for the human body.

    We don't have multiple stomachs either, like cows for example. So we can't eat the most grass or even vegetables raw. The cells of the plant are simply to hard for us to digest. We have a very simple digestive system, made for naturally processed foods.
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    ummm ... biologically we do not have the teeth to be carnivores. At all. Only those species with scissor teeth, like wolves and cats, are natural carnivores. This isn't opinion, it's fact.
    Let's get terminology straight, to aid the discussion: The only human carnivores that exist are the extreme northern Inuit. No other humans on this planet are full carnivores. The Inuits have adapted to this and their bodies do work different than most other humans in order to be carnivores (likely due to a specific gene expression).

    Humans are generally omnivores, meaning they eat a diet of both meat and plants. The teeth in a humans mouth are omnivorous - we have both meat cutting and plant crushing teeth.

    In our past, as "primitives" survival of the fittest was well in play, and eating as much as you could find / catch was often imperative, there wasn't many choices except to be fully omnivorous if you wanted to survive. Things have changed, and meat eating is no longer a requirement for our species. I see the transition away from meat eating as a part of our evolutionary process, which echoes the transition away from mere "survival" phase into a more organized and collective species that has more freedom of choice about the foods we eat.

    I see in the far distant future, where humans won't need to eat plants or animals, but are able to be sustained directly from their connection with Source, (when we find that connection en mass) and we will see that both eating meat and eating plants as a mere transition to this state.
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    ok, however being from a species that is millions of years old (no, we did not evolve from monkeys, we have always been ourselves and different from them) we actually have hundreds of thousands of years before the first knife. If I gave you a leather jacket, and all you have are your fingernails and teeth, you will not be able to tear a hole into that hide. Please don't even try, for, you will break your teeth trying to do so.

    And you are correct about the thorough process we NEED to go through preparing meat for consumption. In all the years before refrigerators and salted meat, eating meat would very likely make you sick and/or kill you. Even today, with the massive amounts of antibiotics we inject into animals and the care we take in making sure people do not get sick or die from eating meat, many still do die every year, from eating meat. Further, if you've ever raised children, you should know that in order to get my kids to even be able to eat animal products in the first place, I had to wean them onto it. We had to put little pieces of meat into the mashed potato's, and give them animal products slowly, over time, to get them used to it. I could always feed them any plant based foods freely, but if I fed them big pieces of meat, they would just hurl it up, as in, throw up and puke it all out.

    and the only thing that really enabled the Inuit to have the diet they have, is the permanent freezer that exists outside their homes.

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    ….and you will get the message….
    Cheers Joey. To be honest I've been aware of Fallon's message for several years now. I think the proof of the pudding is in the eating and she looks like she's had more than her fair share don't you think? The photo is at least 2 years old too.



    Not to be accused of fat shaming or anything but if she's following what she advocates the results look less than ideal - if she isn't following what she advocates, why not?

    On the other hand here's 96 year old record breaking vegan yoga instructor, Tao Porchon Lynch in action:

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    We don't have multiple stomachs either, like cows for example. So we can't eat the most grass or even vegetables raw. The cells of the plant are simply to hard for us to digest. We have a very simple digestive system, made for naturally processed foods.
    Sorry Joey, but whilst you are correct in that we don't have multiple stomachs, the combined length of our small and large intestine is 7.5 meters (25 feet) making us more than capable of eating raw fruit and veggies. We might not be able to extract as much nutrition from grass as cows but it would still be less detrimental than the high animal fat diet Fallon et al promote.
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    Who do YOU take your health advice from?

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    ….and you will get the message….
    Cheers Joey. To be honest I've been aware of Fallon's message for several years now. I think the proof of the pudding is in the eating and she looks like she's had more than her fair share don't you think? The photo is at least 2 years old too.

    Not to be accused of fat shaming or anything but if she's following what she advocates the results look less than ideal - if she isn't following what she advocates, why not?

    On the other hand here's 96 year old record breaking vegan yoga instructor, Tao Porchon Lynch in action:
    What you are showing me is fragmented thinking. One doesn’t represent the whole. I do admit that this lady is looking very fit, altough she is veeeery skinny and looks like the wind can blow her of her socks. Sally Fallon looks forse. I don’t admit that is perfect. But our norms are that the skinny one is the most healthy, this also can be a distorted image.
    It is proof that Weston Price visited those people and found them in very envigorated health. That is something that can’t be denied. He looked at the way they lived and this where is conclusions. This is 1000’s of years of knowledge which in my view cant be denied.
    Of course there are stories of monks who lived very long healthy. But their way of living can’t be compared with the bombardement of toxic influences we experience each day. Besides they had very deep knowledge of life.
    Living vegan is an experiment which hasn’t faced the test of time. I think is a dangerous undertaking because it takes a lot to feed the body and mind properly in these times where we are bombarded with chemicals and radation

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    …..This is 1000’s of years of knowledge which in my view cant be denied…..
    This guy's denying it and he's a heart surgeon, and he's vegan, and he's 98 years old:



    Oooops, sorry, he's not 98, he's 99:



    Ohhh shoot, did I say 99? I meant 100:



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