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    Quote Did you know that the meat industry is tricking you into eating meat? Can your decisions really be altered by different wording and images surrounding meat? If you saw a live animal could you kill and it it? Have you ever felt uneasy about eating meat? If you knew what really happened to the animals we raise for food could you still eat them?
    I think it should be a requirement to meat purchasing, you have to kill, dress and prepare every type of meat you want to buy, just a one time thing, I wouldn't overly dramatize the situation, just make it real....
    Absolutely! It would turn half the western world vegan overnight!
    Half the Eastern world too...

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    Now that nutritionfacts.org is no longer on the propornot list of Russian collaborator websites............(lol)



    ........I feel confident in sharing Michael Greger's latest offering, safe in the knowledge that I won't be forwarding the agenda of those commie Russian b@st@rds. Propornot forever!
    (Incidentally, if you don't want yet another reason to stop eating eggs, avoid the following short video)

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    Poignant ramblings from Kerry McCarpet on the subject of empathy:

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    Quote All slaughterhouses across France will be equipped with CCTV cameras next year, the country’s parliament voted, after the emergence of numerous shocking videos of animal cruelty in the facilities.
    The cameras are to be installed “in areas where the animals are delivered, kept, immobilized, stunned, and slaughtered,” the MPs ruled late on Thursday. 
    The deputies voted 28-4 in favor of relevant amendments to be made to a bill on animal cruelty.
    In September, France's National Assembly issued a report, which suggested 65 measures to improve the "transparency and the inadequate controls" at French abattoirs.
    Setting up CCTV cameras and providing more qualified veterinarians at the facilities, in particular during stunning and killing, were among the top proposals on the list.
    The parliamentary report which was commissioned in March, but was made public after another slaughterhouse animal cruelty video shocked the country.
    Filmed by animal activists from the L214 group at what is called an “animal-friendly” abattoir in Vigan, southern France, it showed workers cutting throats and cattle animals hung by the legs, while shaking and trying to break free.
    The group has released several videos of “violent and sadistic” behavior of slaughterhouse staff that, among others, included scenes of workers punching and hitting sheep, throwing a lamb at a wall and decapitating a cow.....
    full article here
    One of the L2141s undercover videos which has led to the monumental decision by the French government:



    A famous person said “if slaughterhouses had glass walls, we’d all be vegetarian”. The well known quote should really have replaced vegetarian with vegan given that all livestock ends up in the slaughterhouse even if they are just hens bred for laying, cows bred for milk or sheep bred for wool (or fill in the blank).
    The installation of CCTV cameras in all French slaughterhouses while not being identical to the idealistic glass-walled concept will no doubt go some way in assisting the ongoing trend towards a more compassionate relationship between human and non-human animals.
    I trust and hope more countries will follow.
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    Klaus from Plant Based News's round-up of all things vegan for the year of 2016:

    VEGAN - 2016 - The Movie

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    if you don't want yet another reason to stop eating eggs, avoid the following short video

    If only things were that simple

    This is an example of the logical fallacy: Correlation does not imply causation.

    Quote this paper did not prove that eating choline-rich foods (or any other foods) increases TMAO levels over time. In fact, the researchers themselves seem to suggest this is unlikely in the discussion section of the paper. They said: “the high correlation between urine and plasma levels of TMAO argues for effective urinary clearance of TMAO.” In other words, even if eating food does increase total TMAO levels, most people are able to quickly and efficiently clear that TMAO from their blood by excreting it in the urine. This makes it doubtful that dietary factors alone explain chronic elevations in TMAO.Instead, there are several other factors that are more likely to explain such an increase, including:
    • Impaired urinary clearance of TMAO due to impaired kidney function. This is at least partially supported by data in the NEJM paper. Those with the highest levels of TMAO had an average glomerular filtration rate (GFR) of 69 mL/min. According to National Kidney Foundation guidelines, a GFR between 60–89 ml/min is indicative of a reduced capacity to filter blood through the kidneys. (2)
    • Differences in the gut microbiota that predispose toward increase TMAO production. Previous work by Dr. Hazen’s group has shown that people with higher levels of Prevotella bacteria in their gut produce higher levels of TMAO. (3) (Interestingly enough, other research has shown that consumption of whole grains—not animal products—is associated with higher levels of Prevotella bacteria.) (4)
    • Enhanced conversion of trimethylamine to TMAO in the liver. An enzyme called Fmo3 carries out this conversion, and its activity is affected by genetic factors, iron or salt overload, and a number of common pharmaceutical drugs used to treat arthritis, GERD and infections. (5)
    • Diabetes and metabolic syndrome. Fmo3 activity is upregulated in cases of insulin resistance and insulin deficiency. (6)
    If food really did make a significant contribution to TMAO levels, and high TMAO levels cause heart disease, then we’d expect to see much higher rates of CHD among people who eat more fish—since fish has a much greater effect on TMAO than eggs. Yet this is the opposite of what studies indicate: Eating more fish (especially cold-water, fatty fish) has consistently been shown in both observational and randomized controlled trials to reduce the risk of death from heart disease. (7, 8)
    Do choline-rich food cause heart disease?
    At the end of their paper, Dr. Hazen’s group cautions against “excessive consumption of dietary phosphatidylcholine and choline” and recommends a high-fiber, vegetarian diet as a means of protecting against heart disease.
    Yet as I’ve argued above, they failed to present convincing evidence that eating eggs significantly increases TMAO over time
    https://chriskresser.com/choline-and...heart-disease/

    our bodys are ultra complex colonies of trillions of cells.. no answer is as simple as that video makes it seem to be... haha

    I don't eat eggs, never have... but I should learn to!
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    Quote Posted by Akasha (here)
    if you don't want yet another reason to stop eating eggs, avoid the following short video

    If only things were that simple

    This is an example of the logical fallacy: Correlation does not imply causation.

    Quote this paper did not prove that eating choline-rich foods (or any other foods) increases TMAO levels over time. In fact, the researchers themselves seem to suggest this is unlikely in the discussion section of the paper. They said: “the high correlation between urine and plasma levels of TMAO argues for effective urinary clearance of TMAO.” In other words, even if eating food does increase total TMAO levels, most people are able to quickly and efficiently clear that TMAO from their blood by excreting it in the urine. This makes it doubtful that dietary factors alone explain chronic elevations in TMAO.Instead, there are several other factors that are more likely to explain such an increase, including:
    • Impaired urinary clearance of TMAO due to impaired kidney function. This is at least partially supported by data in the NEJM paper. Those with the highest levels of TMAO had an average glomerular filtration rate (GFR) of 69 mL/min. According to National Kidney Foundation guidelines, a GFR between 60–89 ml/min is indicative of a reduced capacity to filter blood through the kidneys. (2)
    • Differences in the gut microbiota that predispose toward increase TMAO production. Previous work by Dr. Hazen’s group has shown that people with higher levels of Prevotella bacteria in their gut produce higher levels of TMAO. (3) (Interestingly enough, other research has shown that consumption of whole grains—not animal products—is associated with higher levels of Prevotella bacteria.) (4)
    • Enhanced conversion of trimethylamine to TMAO in the liver. An enzyme called Fmo3 carries out this conversion, and its activity is affected by genetic factors, iron or salt overload, and a number of common pharmaceutical drugs used to treat arthritis, GERD and infections. (5)
    • Diabetes and metabolic syndrome. Fmo3 activity is upregulated in cases of insulin resistance and insulin deficiency. (6)
    If food really did make a significant contribution to TMAO levels, and high TMAO levels cause heart disease, then we’d expect to see much higher rates of CHD among people who eat more fish—since fish has a much greater effect on TMAO than eggs. Yet this is the opposite of what studies indicate: Eating more fish (especially cold-water, fatty fish) has consistently been shown in both observational and randomized controlled trials to reduce the risk of death from heart disease. (7, 8)
    Do choline-rich food cause heart disease?
    At the end of their paper, Dr. Hazen’s group cautions against “excessive consumption of dietary phosphatidylcholine and choline” and recommends a high-fiber, vegetarian diet as a means of protecting against heart disease.
    Yet as I’ve argued above, they failed to present convincing evidence that eating eggs significantly increases TMAO over time
    https://chriskresser.com/choline-and...heart-disease/

    our bodys are ultra complex colonies of trillions of cells.. no answer is as simple as that video makes it seem to be... haha

    I don't eat eggs, never have... but I should learn to!
    I am not a bio-chemist so suffice it to say that I can't comment in any meaningful way. Hence why I aim to only share scientific information on this thread by professionals, in this case Dr. Michael Greger (a qualified medical doctor unlike Chris Kresser, an acupuncturist and alternative medical practitioner - not that that’s a bad thing per sé) and the Cleveland Clinic, arguably the most prestigious cardiology clinic on the planet.

    I will still comment on as much as I can.

    Regarding Chris’s point on GFR, the kidney.org link was dead (hmmm) so I typed GFR into kidney.org’s search box, scrolled through the results and found this:

    Quote Estimated GFR number – Measures kidney function, over 60 is normal, under 60, talk to your doctor. GFR, or glomerular filtration rate, tells you how well your kidneys are...(here)
    Isn’t that the exact opposite of what he claims they say, i.e.

    Quote .....According to National Kidney Foundation guidelines, a GFR between 60–89 ml/min is indicative of a reduced capacity to filter blood through the kidneys.....
    So my alarm bells are already starting to ring a little bit because he’s just said the complete opposite of what kidney.org actually said and then given a dead link (perhaps in the hope that most will just assume it was an innocent web address error and take him at his word anyway?).

    Addressing his second point, he fails to mention the fact that the study group which had higher levels of Prevotella in their gut were children from rural Burkina Faso, selected specifically because of their close similarity to humans in existence around the beginning of the “Neolithic revolution”.

    I was hoping to read the source for his third and fourth points but unfortunately it’s behind a paywall ($89 / 24 hours).

    What do you think?
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    our bodys are ultra complex colonies of trillions of cells.. no answer is as simple as that video makes it seem to be... haha

    I don't eat eggs, never have... but I should learn to!
    I am not a bio-chemist so suffice it to say that I can't comment in any meaningful way. Hence why I aim to only share scientific information on this thread by professionals, in this case Dr. Michael Greger (a qualified medical doctor unlike Chris Kresser, an acupuncturist and alternative medical practitioner - not that that’s a bad thing per sé) and the Cleveland Clinic, arguably the most prestigious cardiology clinic on the planet.
    Two logical fallacies there, Appeal to authority (a qualified medical doctor) and Ad Homeniem ("acupuncturist and alternative medicine practitioner").

    oh, three, "most prestigious cardiology clinic on the planet" (that would be appeal to authority again).

    I'm looking for facts and logic, not credentials.

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    I was hoping to read the source for his third and fourth points but unfortunately it’s behind a paywall ($89 / 24 hours).

    What do you think?
    I think it's far more complex than "eating A = B", we know this from many other things.

    In fact the video really only proved that there's an issue with some microbes in our body, not necessarily what we are eating. I agree with that part becauese (I didn't check sources) they claimed to have an experiment with high dose antibiotics where the TMAO levels stayed at zero.

    That's about the only conclusive thing, the rest was conjecture and guesses.


    But here's the lynch pin on why I don't think this correlation is correct.

    TMAO alters cholesterol metabolism in the intestines, in the liver, and in artery wall. In the presence of TMAO, there is increased deposition of cholesterol in, and decreased removal of cholesterol from, peripheral cells such as those in the artery wall.[12]

    I"ll bet those are small Dense LDL cholesterol that are being deposited (because we pretty much know that's what gets "stuck" in vessel walls), and Small Dense LDL comes from high insulin, aka excessive sugar intake.

    This whole "egg" thing really should be about sugar, that's my guess.

    We are a vastly complex system, it's super rare to find an A<->B correlation like the video suggests.
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    Thanks for the post TargeT.

    I won't eat eggs. Besides having an "allergy" to them, my feeling is they contribute (over time) to a build-up of Lipofuscin (a toxic cellular decay waste). When there is a buildup of Lipofuscin it is like a sewer system being clogged.. Wastes don't get out, and over time, cells die.. Some studies are saying neuro-degenerative diseases are coming from a combination of an immune response to cells which are overly "toxic" (from excessive lipofuscin build-up) and from the lipofuscin itself.

    Over time, with build-up of lipofuscin in the Macula of the eye, macular-degeneration is possible it has been hypothesized. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14604266

    Quote The accumulation of A2E, the major component of lipofuscin causes RPE cell apoptosis, thereby explaining age-related macular degeneration and macular degeneration characteristic of Stargardt disease. The drug isotretinoin (13-cis-retinoic acid) prevents accumulation of A2E in mice by slowing down the visual cycle and might therefore be used to prevent macular degeneration.

    My feeling is when there is an allergy, the body is trying it's best to get rid of the foreign protein to keep it from causing damage to the cells. Eggs=allergy at least for me. http://nutritionfacts.org/video/chic...-inflammation/

    Here are a few vid's and articles from Nutritional Facts dot Org dealing with why to NOT consume eggs:

    Quote Eggs

    Michael Greger M.D. · Last Updated on January 19, 2017

    Despite the powerful egg industry’s best efforts to put a “healthy” spin on egg consumption, eggs contain high levels of cholesterol and may contain carcinogenic retroviruses, heterocyclic amines, toxic pollutants (such as arsenic, perfluorochemicals like PCB, phthalates, flame retardant chemicals, dioxins), and Salmonella (see here and here).

    Consuming just one egg per day may significantly shorten our lifespans, increase the levels of the cancer-promoting growth hormone IGF-1, and increase our risk of heart disease, kidney stones, stroke, type 2 diabetes, gestational diabetes, and some types of cancer (such as pancreatic, breast, and prostate).

    Eating a plant-based diet may improve mood, lead to weight loss, lower the risk of cataracts, neurological diseases, food poisoning, heart disease, diabetes, asthma, help reverse rheumatoid arthritis, and may increase lifespan. This may be due in part to the arachidonic acid, cholesterol, sulfuric acid, choline, methionine, and sex hormones in eggs and the relative lack of antioxidant phytonutrients.
    "Freedom of Information Act documents reveal that the U.S. Department of Agriculture warned the egg industry that saying eggs are nutritious or safe may violate rules against false and misleading advertising."

    http://nutritionfacts.org/2014/03/06...-false-claims/



    "Chicken and eggs are the top sources of arachidonic acid in the diet—an omega-6 fatty acid involved in our body's inflammatory response."

    Arachidonic acid may play a role in cancer, asthma, inflammatory bowel disease, rheumatoid arthritis, and other autoimmune disorders.


    From https://www.caymanchem.com/article/2162 - Arachidonic acid (AA) induces cell death. (AA induces apoptosis in neurons such as in the brain).

    Lipofuscin and Arachidonic Acid then go hand in hand. Then following the logic, for inducing Alzheimers, or Macular-Degeneration, eat stuff which continually triggers allergic responses, such as Eggs... https://www.foodallergy.org/allergens/egg-allergy

    I won't eat eggs. I really am bothered with hidden eggs being added to so much foods (breads, cakes, pastas including Macaroni, Mayonnaise, Eggs have been used to create the foam or topping on specialty coffee drinks and are used in some bar drinks.)

    I don't want Lipofuscin being forced into my cells by "industry products" designed to create long term diseases and much $$ into the pockets of "treatment" medico's.

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    our bodys are ultra complex colonies of trillions of cells.. no answer is as simple as that video makes it seem to be... haha

    I don't eat eggs, never have... but I should learn to!
    I am not a bio-chemist so suffice it to say that I can't comment in any meaningful way. Hence why I aim to only share scientific information on this thread by professionals, in this case Dr. Michael Greger (a qualified medical doctor unlike Chris Kresser, an acupuncturist and alternative medical practitioner - not that that’s a bad thing per sé) and the Cleveland Clinic, arguably the most prestigious cardiology clinic on the planet.
    Two logical fallacies there, Appeal to authority (a qualified medical doctor) and Ad Homeniem ("acupuncturist and alternative medicine practitioner").

    oh, three, "most prestigious cardiology clinic on the planet" (that would be appeal to authority again).

    I'm looking for facts and logic, not credentials.

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    I was hoping to read the source for his third and fourth points but unfortunately it’s behind a paywall ($89 / 24 hours).

    What do you think?
    I think it's far more complex than "eating A = B", we know this from many other things.

    In fact the video really only proved that there's an issue with some microbes in our body, not necessarily what we are eating. I agree with that part becauese (I didn't check sources) they claimed to have an experiment with high dose antibiotics where the TMAO levels stayed at zero.

    That's about the only conclusive thing, the rest was conjecture and guesses.


    But here's the lynch pin on why I don't think this correlation is correct.

    TMAO alters cholesterol metabolism in the intestines, in the liver, and in artery wall. In the presence of TMAO, there is increased deposition of cholesterol in, and decreased removal of cholesterol from, peripheral cells such as those in the artery wall.[12]

    I"ll bet those are small Dense LDL cholesterol that are being deposited (because we pretty much know that's what gets "stuck" in vessel walls), and Small Dense LDL comes from high insulin, aka excessive sugar intake.

    This whole "egg" thing really should be about sugar, that's my guess.

    We are a vastly complex system, it's super rare to find an A<->B correlation like the video suggests.


    We certainly are complex systems.

    Lots of "may"s on both sides of this one.

    BTW did you notice the sentence near the bottom of the TMAO Wiki' page you linked to?

    Quote Vegan and vegetarian diets appear to select against gut flora that metabolize carnitine (in favor of other gut flora more coordinated with their food supply). This apparent difference in their microbiome is associated with substantially reduced gut bacteria capable of converting carnitine to trimethylamine, which is later metabolized in the liver to TMAO.[10]
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    hidden eggs being added to so much foods (breads, cakes, pastas including Macaroni, Mayonnaise, Eggs have been used to create the foam or topping on specialty coffee drinks and are used in some bar drinks.)
    Ok, i guess I do eat eggs... haha just not directly.


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    I don't want Lipofuscin being forced into my cells by "industry products" designed to create long term diseases and much $$ into the pockets of "treatment" medico's.
    I've not read up on lipofuscin (first I've heard of it). Chicken eggs seem to be some of the oldest food out there, however I do know that eggs have been consumed by humans since as far back as we can remember.

    Jungle fowl were domesticated in India by 3200 B.C.E. Record from China and Egypt show that fowl were domesticated and laying eggs for human consumption around 1400 B.C.E., and there is archaeoligical evidence for egg consumption dating back to the Neolithic age. The Romans found egg-laying hens in England, Gaul, and among the Germans. The first domesticated fowl reached North America with the second voyage of Columbus in 1493.

    And when in doubt, I lean heavily on "old knowledge" especially from times like the Renaissance when there were FAR less distractions and people had a lot more time to pay attention to... well, everything.
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    I think over-all, society has been hoping for "longevity".. With the eating of eggs by primates, heck monkeys go wild when they can find eggs and raid the nest.. bodies do die tho when sufficiently "aged".

    I recall back about 1968'ish looking at life prolongation research, and that was my first exposure to Lipofuscin (the waste product) and back then the only thing that the life prolongation group found to eliminate (or prevent the formation there of) was cystein products. (2 amino ethane thiol hydrochloride is the name I seem to recall).. Where the cystein blocked lipofuscin formation.

    Here is a reference in a google book - https://books.google.com/books?id=LT...fuscin&f=false

    After understanding the lipofuscin connect it started to make sense.. Sorta like what type of protection could an EGG have against predators who raid the nest? Lipofuscin and Arachidonic Acid sources present in the egg would over time, kill or, or limit the predator (to a very small extent).. Kinda lame as far as a biological deterrent goes I suppose.. But that Lipofuscin and Arachidonic Acid issue is real.. And we are trying to find the life prolongation insights..

    Inflammation and cellular garbage buildup which can't be simply removed appear to be the assaults on longevity and good health.. So to me, eliminate the buildup of the cellular wastes that can't get out easily without the cell dying..

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    .....when in doubt, I lean heavily on "old knowledge" especially from times like the Renaissance.....
    Well in that case.........

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    Inflammation and cellular garbage buildup which can't be simply removed appear to be the assaults on longevity and good health.. So to me, eliminate the buildup of the cellular wastes that can't get out easily without the cell dying..
    That sounds hard, I'll take stem cell injections and gene therapy

    Maybe some "young blood" transfusions... haha there's a lot of promising stuff for longevity, almost none of it concerns itself with diet from what I've read,, but that's the allopathic way....

    I think diet is where we should start, but it's so complex and there's a lot of shady industry "alternative facts" ... haha
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    Inflammation and cellular garbage buildup which can't be simply removed appear to be the assaults on longevity and good health.. So to me, eliminate the buildup of the cellular wastes that can't get out easily without the cell dying..
    That sounds hard, I'll take stem cell injections and gene therapy

    Maybe some "young blood" transfusions... haha there's a lot of promising stuff for longevity, almost none of it concerns itself with diet from what I've read,, but that's the allopathic way....

    I think diet is where we should start, but it's so complex and there's a lot of shady industry "alternative facts" ... haha
    I actually did an immense study from about 1968-1980 (personally) with the cysteine compounds and they do work

    My gut feeling is when knowing what substances can specifically go after cellular waste products (like a right "pill" combination), then it's chemistry. Having researched also, the "cellular repair" triggers in the DNA, kicking those on one by one (which I suppose could be through diet), would induce repairs.. I am not thrilled with a massive detox reaction with a whole host of contaminated cells dying and being lysed.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysis

    So a graceful removal of lipofuscin (with the right reagent) such as was pointed about about potentially reversing and stopping Macular-Degeneration really gets me excited Clean up then turn on repair gene triggers. I've been building up a list of the repair triggers since about 1986.. The group has talked about "telomeres" and that is only one factor in genetic code ageing.. A lot of gene systems are like cyclic redundancy code repairs of datasets.. Sorta says something about our DNA, that a cyclic redundancy check/reconstruction can rebuild damaged DNA code

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    Putting the "soy promotes breast cancer" myth to bed:

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    What started off as rather a hostile response to one of the many Earthlings Experiences taking place across the UK recently concluded in a very positive manner.

    The dialogue tackled many if not all of the issues and questions everyone who contemplates the subject of veganism has.

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    Almond milk sales continue to surge, as dairy milk contracts, Nielsen data shows

    With plant-based diets all the rage in the US currently, milk alternatives – and particularly those from almonds – are seeing strong sales growth and increased innovation, while sales of dairy milk are contracting.....(full article here)
    I wonder if the unique approach to advertising's got anything to do with it?

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    Campaign group Mighty Earth says aerial drones, satellite imaging and field research show farmers carried out forest-burning for fast food giant’s soy suppliers


    The hamburger chain Burger King has been buying animal feed produced in soy plantations carved out by the burning of tropical forests in Brazil and Bolivia, according to a new report.

    Jaguars, giant anteaters and sloths have all been affected by the disappearance of around 700,000 hectares (1,729,738 acres) of forest land between 2011 and 2015.

    The campaign group Mighty Earth says that evidence gathered from aerial drones, satellite imaging, supply-chain mapping and field research shows a systematic pattern of forest-burning.....(read more here)
    ....And here's an interview on the subject with Mighty Earth's CEO Glenn Hurowitz:

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    Some may be aware of The Biggest Loser's Bob Harper having a heart attack recently. He was widely recognised as the vegan trainer on that programme and so the news of his heart attack may have been somewhat alarming for those following or considering a plant based diet. However.......he actually stopped being vegan quite a while back asserting the usual spiel that he needed to listen to his body which was saying "I need something".

    Quote “In the beginning, I was quietly eating my egg whites in the morning. Oh my God, I felt so bad. I just couldn’t help it. I just couldn’t hide it anymore. It works for me.” (excerpt from here)
    Yeah.....worked a treat, Bob.

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