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    Ok, this is an honest question. For philosophical reasons, I would very much like to be vegan. However, when I have tried to be so, it didn't go well. My energy levels suffered a big hit, and I had to reluctantly add animal foods back into my diet. I thought I had done a good job of things. I used information from Barnard and Fuhrman to construct my diet. I have found, though, that I thrive best on a low-carb high-fat diet. Frankly, I have no idea how to do that without animal foods. Grains put me to sleep, so those won't work for me. Beans scrub too much cholesterol out of my body, creating a situation where my blood levels of cholesterol are WAY too low, putting me at risk for mental health issues. Fruit doesn't work well for me, either. With Blood Type O+, according to D'Adamo, I need red meat to thrive. At least one source has said that our DNA is changing so that we can thrive on a higher carb diet, but this doesn't seem to have happened for me yet. I still feel less than optimal when there's too much carb. So how can I be kind to animals and thrive at the same time?


    I am an O+ as are scores of other thriving *famous* vegans and we have not bought into the D'Adamo theory. That said, I think actual genetics play a larger role (for example I am an APOE4) - the kind that needs to eat a lower fat plant diet, in fact paleo/primal cardiothoracic surgeon Dr, Steven Gundry warns people that have the 3/4 or 4/4 allele and eat a paleo/primal diet. You can listen to the show right here:http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/a...d-vs-bad/17547 I have also been tested metabolic type wise and on an Assyra machine and both stated a plant diet is best for my body (this was in addition to genetic testing) I point this out only to show that the blood type theory has it's limitations. The Assyra scan actually said I should eat the D/Adamo veg diet (I couldn't as I think it contains stuff I don't eat like soy and spelt and all that).


    Your particular gut biome may not support an all plant diet- mine doesn't support grain eating (I ate small amount of quinoa today) so it's something I avoid. I have tried mostly fruit diets (80/10/10 RV) and that didn't fare well for me either. In my teens and early 20's I was grain based macrobiotic and I had no energy at all............that diet didn't fare well for me so I tried everything in between from raw paleo to raw primal, cooked primal and paleo, NT, Body Ecology, Gerson, various forms of raw veganism. In the end I cured my gut (with frog medicine- something I became a practitioner of) and eating the way I do ( a variety I combined from various diet practices) works! It works on my blood tests and on energy levels, despite having lyme disease (which went undiagnosed for many years).

    If I ate from Fuhrman's model- the diet is too high in legumes for me............Barnard's veganism I never tried so I can't say one way or the other.



    Some of the topics covered in show I linked:

    In Episode 35 of “Jimmy Moore Presents: Ask The Low-Carb Experts,” we hit on a critically important topic for those of us who describe our healthy low-carb lifestyle as “high-fat.” Depending on who you ask these days, a diet described as “high-fat” can either be a very good thing or a really bad thing for your health. For those of us who embrace a healthy low-carb lifestyle change, we understand the significant role that dietary fat plays in providing satiety, as an alternative fuel for our body in the absence of significant amounts of carbohydrates and other important health functions. But are all fats created equal? Absolutely not!

    That’s why we’re so pleased to welcome a bona fide expert in this area who knows just a thing or two on differentiating between the outstanding good fats and the truly bad fats. His name is Dr. Steven Gundry and he is one of the top heart surgeons and researchers in the world. But his real passion is in helping people stay off of his operating room table through the healthy nutritional principles he shares in his book Dr. Gundry’s Diet Evolution: Turn Off the Genes That Are Killing You and Your Waistline (listen to my two-part “Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show” interview with Dr. Gundry about his book in Episode 179 and Episode 180). He joined us for an instant classic podcast conversation in EPISODE 35 on the topic “High-Fat Diets: Good vs. Bad” that aired LIVE on January 17, 2013.

    Listen to Dr. Steven Gundry discuss the good and bad fats:

    Mainstream MDs taught that high-fat lead to heart disease
    They’ve been told plant-based fats are better for people
    But “we got it wrong” and grain-based PUFAs horrible
    Humans were not intended to eat grain or grass-like products
    The wrong experimental model was taught and still taught
    Polyunsaturated fats from seeds and grains are “disastrous”
    Good PUFAs are end products DHA and EPA in omega-3 fats
    Your brain uses DHA and EPA to function very well
    Our brain is 70% fat, so you are indeed a “fat head”
    Our brain is equal proportion DHA and arachodonic acid
    DHA is in the fats of fish and shellfish primarily
    We have larger brains today because ancestors shore-based
    You build a big brain by getting the right kinds of fat
    The only large-brained animals are humans, dolphins, whales
    All of these are “aquatic animals” including humans
    Arachodonic acid comes from pastured eggs with a good diet
    Don’t use factory farms eggs–“they are poison!”
    Organ meats like liver gives you good arachodonic acid, too
    It helps you make LESS inflammatory hormones
    The shocking experiment of arachodonic acid on athletes
    Why most omega-6 fats are bad news to be consuming
    MCT oil and coconut oil help improve your “gut buddies”
    Bugs living in intestines hitch a ride on saturated fat
    Long-chain saturated fats allow these bugs into bloodstream
    Medium chain and short chain saturated fats act differently
    They do not allow the bacterial particles to be absorbed
    MCT oil, coconut oil and butter are different saturated fat
    These should not be lumped into the “evil saturated fats”
    Lard is also a pretty good saturated fat to be consuming
    Goat milk and goat milk products mimics human milk for MCTs
    Goat yogurt is an excellent food his patients are consuming
    Monounsaturated fats come from olive oil and avocados
    These fats are “fairly neutral” as a fat in the body
    Polyphenols are a compound that is protective to the body
    Study drinking a liter of olive oil weekly for polyphenols
    He and his wife go through about a liter between them weekly
    Italians say the purpose of food is to eat more olive oil
    Almost all trans fats are locked together for long chain
    “Partially hydrogenated” a lethal long-chain saturated fat
    The sneaky way manufacturers attempt to describe ingredients
    If you have gluten sensitivity, never do American dairy
    Raw milk products from France, Italy, Switzerland fine
    Casein is the big culprit in the American dairy
    Stearic acid is not going to harm your cholesterol levels
    This also happens to be the fat in high dark chocolate
    People with heart disease history need an ApoE genotype test
    If you carry 3/4 or 4/4 gene, animal fats are not good
    Plant fats and shellfish are “great for you”
    About 20% of people have this genotype and need special diet
    Most people who won’t give up carbs want their grains
    The grains in your diet are “the killers” and addictive
    Saturated fat with grains puts a “sword through your heart”
    The Kitivans don’t eat any grain or seed-based oils or carbs
    They consume tubers, oils, fish and “smoke like fiends”
    Their diet is 50-60% carbohydrates but the rest is good fat
    What they don’t do is consume any grains or beans at all
    Low-carb can restore “set point to where it needs to be”
    Some people are so addicted that they can’t ever eat them
    It’s like telling an alcoholic to go to bar to eat peanuts
    Get your ApoE genotype tested once since it’s a genetic test
    ApoE is known as the “frailty gene” and 3/4 or 4/4 is worst
    Even if you eat Paleo, these genotypes can do worse
    Macadamia nuts are probably the best nut you can eat
    You can absolutely overdo it on the nuts and gain weight
    To stop losing weight, just add in more nuts to your diet
    They will curb your appetite (walnuts actually are better)
    Not omega-6 fats that are the culprit in thyroid disease
    Lectins are the primary problems people have with thyroid
    A change in your intestinal microflora happens from lectins
    Removing lectin-containing foods will improve thyroid
    Many Paleo eaters are already removing lectin-based foods
    The use of sea salt instead of iodized salt may be problem
    Epidemic of hypothyroidism because of a lack of iodine
    Healthy Paleo eaters using just sea salt neglect iodine
    Eat high shellfish, small fish, seaweed or even kelp
    You’re not doing yourself a favor just using sea salt
    The iodine is important for keeping your thyroid healthy
    The grain-fed meats are very deficient in iodine as well
    You either love eating seaweed or you hate it!
    Eating properly during pregnancy is of “critical importance”
    Women who have two children quickly will be depleted of DHA
    The second child will not have enough DHA for development
    This is why women have postpartum depression
    Taking nine fish oil pills daily better than antidepressants
    Two-thirds of the world eats white rice, not brown rice
    The hull in the “healthy” whole grain has “the bad stuff”
    When we added whole grains, that’s when health decline began
    Animals can only be fattened up on whole grains and beans
    Best way to produce heart disease in animals is wheat germ
    Don’t tell mother-in-law you’ll be “dancing on her grave”
    How you can explain to people that consuming fat is good
    The Eskimos consume blubber primarily with no disease
    If you’re exposed to American diet, they’ll eat it
    Eskimos have 11% body fat because of their excellent diet
    Masai in Africa eat a “ton of fat” with no heart disease
    Average American in 1950 ate 5 eggs/day and lots of bacon
    Watch out for expeller-pressed oils with “organic” warning
    “All-natural” should make you screaming other direction
    It’s totally legal to put arsenic in chicken feed
    It’s organic and they don’t have to reveal on label
    This is yet another reason I’m not eating chicken much
    It could be the “scariest Frankenfood ever devised”
    Unless you know the farmer and ask him key questions
    Chicken is a “modern food” and rise in obesity correlates
    Steer clear of the 99% fat free chicken breasts sold
    What the proper amounts of fats are on a ketogenic diet
    Overweight, insulin resistant patients can’t get in ketotis
    This is why MCT and coconut oil helps people early on
    Mixing MCT oil with olive oil and for sautéing your food
    Most Australian and American lamb is grain-fed now
    Grains are how we fatten up the animals
    Chicken livers from pastured chickens cooked in good oils
    MCT oil only has 8 calories per gram than 9 like most fats
    MCT oil cannot be converted to fat, used as fuel
    MCTs are “preformed ketones” your body runs on
    The more you eat like a gorilla, you’ll get lots of fat
    But it produces “lots of flatulence” in you when you do
    We have no ability to digest the cell wall of a plant
    Get your fat in oleic acid which mimics fat in the body
    Sardines are great and make a “burrito” out of it
    It’s really not possible to eat too much fat
    There’s no requirement to consume carbohydrates ever
    It’s possible to eat too much protein in your diet
    Too much protein is “extremely bad for longevity”
    I had to cut back on my protein to see weight loss happen
    We have no system for storing protein in our bodies
    That’s why excess protein is turned into sugar (glucose)
    This glucose is then converted into stored body fat
    Is cold-water fish vs. warm-water fish important?
    It comes down to the “small fish” with little mercury
    The more small fish you can eat, the better nutrition
    His patients with highest DHA/EPA are sardine eaters
    ApoE 3/4 and 4/4 need to steer clear of larger fish
    Eat up on the Alaskan and wild salmon all you want
    Whether a whole avocado daily is a good or bad thing
    He consumes at least a half avocado daily in his diet
    The absorption of polyphenols allowed by avocados
    Weight loss has been enhanced in studies with avocados
    I eat a whole avocado every single day in my diet
    “Do what you can do with what you’ve got wherever you are”
    Then as soon as you can get back to it, then DO IT
    Every restaurant has a menu with all the food they have
    If you order off appetizer menu, you can find something
    The top causes of gout are eating fruit and beer
    Please DO NOT buy supermarket eggs fed corn and soybeans
    Even “organic vegetarian” eggs have GMO feed in them
    Get the “non-vegetarian” chicken eggs (they eat bugs)
    Omega-3 eggs are great for giving you good nutrition
    He puts new patients on 8-10 of these eggs daily
    Eggs will LOWER your cholesterol levels and get healthy
    I get a dozen pastured eggs for just $2/dozen
    He’s so impressed with intermittent fasting
    From January to May, he eats all calories from 6-8PM
    He eats a “full day’s calories” in that one meal
    Fasting was the rule rather than the exception ancestrally
    You athletically perform better fasted than when full
    Fasting is one of the safest ways for healthy gut flora
    All the great religions of the world have fasting
    I spontaneously started doing IF and eating around midday
    I’ll go to the gym in fully-fasted state of 18-24 hours
    No hunter-gatherer goes looking for food when they’re full
    Ketones can give you plenty of energy in the interim
    You only need insulin to handle carbohydrates and protein
    Lessen carbs and protein, your BG up from gluconeogensis
    Your blood sugar will go down if you lower these foods
    Advanced glycation end products (AGEs) should be dropped
    The “little brown bits” in your fry pan need to be avoided
    Protein and sugar form these AGEs inside your body
    Cut the sugar and moderate protein to prevent these AGEs
    His older patients have “big black spots” on their body
    The story about how one patient nearly wreaked his car
    Age spots on your body are from the AGEs consumed
    Ghee is perfectly safe because it has no casein in it
    Ghee is clarified butter from grass-fed American cows
    Macadamia nut oil can go rancid very quickly
    Try not to buy raw macadamia nuts cut in half
    It’s perfectly legal to keep chickens cooped up all day
    Organic food is legal to have GMO chicken feed
    As long as they were grown organically, GMO can be present
    Soybeans are an incredibly rich source of estrogen
    Estrogen in chicken breast exceeds birth control pill
    Nobody ever ate these things before–drugging ourselves
    We aren’t what we eat, but we are what we’re eating ate
    This is all just a slick marketing of food
    Bacon fat (lard) in cooking is perfectly fine
    Pastured pigs are a much better source of fat to eat
    Otherwise, he’s a delivery device for the bad fats
    If you want to be a diabetic, eat low-fat, high-protein
    Eating too much protein makes insulin work hard too
    You want more ketones from a high-fat, low-carb diet
    This will take you off insulin and medications quickly
    American Diabetes Association is low-fat, high grain diet
    Nuts and avocados will give you a good amount of fiber
    This is fiber that our “gut buddies” think is dessert
    Gut bacteria thrive on the fiber in these plant food
    The fiber in grain cannot be utilized by our gut flora
    Beware of “high-fiber cereals” because they’re not good
    Africans eating fiber was tubers and plant materials
    Whole grains fiber is not the same kind of fiber
    “A fiber is not a fiber is not a fiber”
    The new book he is working on releasing in late 2013
    Common factor at work in most every autoimmune diseases
    More we get the bad foods out, good foods in the better
    So many improvements are happening in chronic disease
    What I’m going to tell you is unbelievable…but true!
    Paleo has exploded on the scene last couple of years
    He’s pitching his book to several different publishers
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    I think a head-to-head between Michael Greger or Plant Positive and Steven Gundry would be illuminating. Not so sure it would help Gundry's book sales though.
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    I lived almost 6 years ( when in Himalayas ) on milk tea and biscuits , and fruits and some vegetable soup and potatoes occasionally ,
    and that was it . I was in great health , could run up n down the mountains and when I came back to Europe and stepped on scale ( after all those years ) it was the same cipher as when I left - and , 10 pounds more than I have now,
    fighting with European food . I suppose it was all the fresh air and meditation equipoise and spiritual powers keeping me up n running .

    We had home made tofu made by local village ladies too .. and rhododendron jam .. ( too sweet ) .

    I got used off eating warm food - but what struck me the most was the attitude people had to food here , in general , wasting it on and off .
    My first dinner at home was spinach omelette though I said I don't eat egg mum got so upset about my looks that she almost threw plates to the air .

    The next day it was 'shrimp salad' and it was certainly delicious but poor dear shrimps , jumped out of my stomach the moment they touched , like you'd expect a frog to jump out of you and I spent the rest of night running to bathroom , with empty stomach but unstoppable nausea , every 5 minutes . It was real bad .. but then we figured out it was ''allergy reaction'' to sea food .

    There it stopped .. I always agreed on sandwiches and/or potatoes and cakes on Sundays .

    I don't know how people go on 'diets' unless they are actually overweight because then you can experiment and loose free .

    If you don't eat and are not used to eat all the time and are hungry but can tolerate only small amounts of food at times , diet is not an issue .

    There are things I could munch on without restraint like popcorn ( popcorn is great and birds like it too ) or Belgian pralines .
    Cheap , processed foods from supermarket are best to avoid .

    I am not good with complicated, over-spiced foods either . Had a veg ratatouille once in Kathmandu and figured out where the name comes from ( in jest ) : it's a fast weapon , like one of those automatic guns you hear in movies ...

    When I go to store my eyes would eat it all on some days but that's why I go there , it looks good

    But .... having good memories of aubergines I once grilled , with oil and salt , so delicious . Mashed potatoes . Rice if you're really hungry .
    Coconut milk , it's so expensive here but one of the yummiest things to have .

    Should have something ... but it's so hard to focus to get to the point . See you then ....

    I go sandwich hunting



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    Quote Posted by Akasha (here)
    I think a head-to-head between Michael Greger or Plant Positive and Steven Gundry would be illuminating. Not so sure it would help Gundry's book sales though.


    Ypu may be surprised to learn Gundry eats mostly plants (and raw) himself. He does eat a little bit of fish/seafood but they are in minute amounts so that it doesn't stimulate mTOR pathways. He's a 4 allele just like myself, hence his caution when it comes to animal food and fats for himself.

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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    I lived almost 6 years ( when in Himalayas ) on milk tea and biscuits , and fruits and some vegetable soup and potatoes occasionally ,
    and that was it . I was in great health , could run up n down the mountains and when I came back to Europe and stepped on scale ( after all those years ) it was the same cipher as when I left - and , 10 pounds more than I have now,
    fighting with European food . I suppose it was all the fresh air and meditation equipoise and spiritual powers keeping me up n running .

    We had home made tofu made by local village ladies too .. and rhododendron jam .. ( too sweet ) .

    I got used off eating warm food - but what struck me the most was the attitude people had to food here , in general , wasting it on and off .
    My first dinner at home was spinach omelette though I said I don't eat egg mum got so upset about my looks that she almost threw plates to the air .

    The next day it was 'shrimp salad' and it was certainly delicious but poor dear shrimps , jumped out of my stomach the moment they touched , like you'd expect a frog to jump out of you and I spent the rest of night running to bathroom , with empty stomach but unstoppable nausea , every 5 minutes . It was real bad .. but then we figured out it was ''allergy reaction'' to sea food .

    There it stopped .. I always agreed on sandwiches and/or potatoes and cakes on Sundays .

    I don't know how people go on 'diets' unless they are actually overweight because then you can experiment and loose free .

    If you don't eat and are not used to eat all the time and are hungry but can tolerate only small amounts of food at times , diet is not an issue .

    There are things I could munch on without restraint like popcorn ( popcorn is great and birds like it too ) or Belgian pralines .
    Cheap , processed foods from supermarket are best to avoid .

    I am not good with complicated, over-spiced foods either . Had a veg ratatouille once in Kathmandu and figured out where the name comes from ( in jest ) : it's a fast weapon , like one of those automatic guns you hear in movies ...

    When I go to store my eyes would eat it all on some days but that's why I go there , it looks good

    But .... having good memories of aubergines I once grilled , with oil and salt , so delicious . Mashed potatoes . Rice if you're really hungry .
    Coconut milk , it's so expensive here but one of the yummiest things to have .

    Should have something ... but it's so hard to focus to get to the point . See you then ....

    I go sandwich hunting





    When I get lazy to prepare dinner for my crowd, we get vegan Nepalese food. We are lucky we have a wide variety of places here to obtain this food from. Yum.

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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    .....Coconut milk , it's so expensive here but one of the yummiest things to have ......
    Did you try my coconut milk recipe yet? Certainly much cheaper, creamier and tastier than all the bought ones I've tried.
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    .....When I get lazy to prepare dinner for my crowd, we get vegan Nepalese food. We are lucky we have a wide variety of places here to obtain this food from. Yum.
    Damn. You Yanks don't know how lucky you are!
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    .....When I get lazy to prepare dinner for my crowd, we get vegan Nepalese food. We are lucky we have a wide variety of places here to obtain this food from. Yum.
    Damn. You Yanks don't know how lucky you are!

    I live in a town with a large Nepalese community here so there are plenty of places to get authentic food. Thank goodness nowadays they offer vegan and gluten free menus.

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    I'm 100 clicks south of Budapest where ham and cheese is the vegetarian option. In Hungary's defence there are some veggie restaurants in Budapest.
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    I'm 100 clicks south of Budapest where ham and cheese is the vegetarian option. In Hungary's defence there are some veggie restaurants in Budapest.

    My 11 year old son's favorite dinner is the vegan Hungarian goulash I make.

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    Whenever I read/see/hear about those having difficulty finding a plant-based diet that works for them I feel extremely blessed. I could probably eat a ( organic ) car bumper and digest it without a 'hitch'. Hitch, get it?

    You just have to keep trying different healthy food stuffs until you find the right combination that works for you. Seek and ye shall find. And when you do you'll never look back. ( Except for the very rare occasion when you happen to run into Betty Crocker -- if you catch my drift. )


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    Quote Posted by Akasha (here)
    I'm 100 clicks south of Budapest where ham and cheese is the vegetarian option. In Hungary's defence there are some veggie restaurants in Budapest.

    My 11 year old son's favorite dinner is the vegan Hungarian goulash I make.
    Just might be MY new favorite.

    So again, what time's dinner?

    I keep missing it.

    or you keep not inviting me.

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    I would really like to see Melanie Joy and whom I call her arch nemesis, Nina Teicholz have a one-on-one debate. Nina Teicholz is an author who makes the audacious claim that eating saturates fats (meat, butter, and cheese) are actually good for our health, often citing government-based studies and overlooking the plethora of studies that go against her theory.



    I think that Nina is extremely misguided, and that she is doing irreparable harm by spreading misinformation. One quote from the above video summaries her and most carnists' attitude quite well (starting a bit after 7 minutes):

    "I will also tell you how you can advise your children on how to defend bacon to their progressive vegetarian Hippie Day Camp counselors, which has been my particular challenge this week."
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    .....One quote from the above video summaries her and most carnists' attitude quite well (starting a bit after 7 minutes):

    "I will also tell you how you can advise your children on how to defend bacon to their progressive vegetarian Hippie Day Camp counselors, which has been my particular challenge this week."
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    I would really like to see Melanie Joy and whom I call her arch nemesis, Nina Teicholz have a one-on-one debate

    Debates are often fun to watch but IMO, especially this topic, seldom changes anyone's mind. Those for a healthy diet ( YOU know what healthy is ) find the points 'for' and those against the same.

    We, as vegan/vegetarian KNOW the benefits because here we are. In many cases this way of life saved our 'life'. It did mine. What better motivation. And those that 'tried' and failed did just that -- they 'tried'. Try to read what I'm writing. Okay, keep trying. There! You did it! Now, don't you feel great!? You either do or you don't do something. Remove try and can't from the english language and watch the difference it makes in society.

    Oh, boy. What a can of worms that statement just opened.

    The point here is that you can't fix stupid.

    Hey, I say it as I see it. I also say "Let them eat cake!" ( Look up the meaning if you don't know the origin. )
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    Whenever I read/see/hear about those having difficulty finding a plant-based diet that works for them I feel extremely blessed. I could probably eat a ( organic ) car bumper and digest it without a 'hitch'. Hitch, get it?

    You just have to keep trying different healthy food stuffs until you find the right combination that works for you. Seek and ye shall find. And when you do you'll never look back. ( Except for the very rare occasion when you happen to run into Betty Crocker -- if you catch my drift. )


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    I'm 100 clicks south of Budapest where ham and cheese is the vegetarian option. In Hungary's defence there are some veggie restaurants in Budapest.

    My 11 year old son's favorite dinner is the vegan Hungarian goulash I make.
    Just might be MY new favorite.

    So again, what time's dinner?

    I keep missing it.

    or you keep not inviting me.

    Dinner tonight~ (3 YO and I just put it up, he loves to help). Vegan (chilled) vichyssoise soup, a salad with butter lettuce, Nicoise olives, cherry tomatoes, small string beans (haricot vert) and da da my favorite Kite Hill vegan cheese http://www.kite-hill.com/ with a creamy maple/mustard dressing.

    Fresh berries and *creme* for dessert (raspberry and strawberry) served with some cashew creme anglaise (I make mine on the thinner side and it's very lightly sweetened but heavily laced with vanilla pod).

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    Quote Posted by Robin (here)
    I would really like to see Melanie Joy and whom I call her arch nemesis, Nina Teicholz have a one-on-one debate. Nina Teicholz is an author who makes the audacious claim that eating saturates fats (meat, butter, and cheese) are actually good for our health, often citing government-based studies and overlooking the plethora of studies that go against her theory.



    I think that Nina is extremely misguided, and that she is doing irreparable harm by spreading misinformation. One quote from the above video summaries her and most carnists' attitude quite well (starting a bit after 7 minutes):

    "I will also tell you how you can advise your children on how to defend bacon to their progressive vegetarian Hippie Day Camp counselors, which has been my particular challenge this week."



    ^^^ This is my issue with people who blog (mostly on paleo/primal diets). They have zero experience in the OR. When was the last time they performed a triple bypass?

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    I would really like to see Melanie Joy and whom I call her arch nemesis, Nina Teicholz have a one-on-one debate

    Debates are often fun to watch but IMO, especially this topic, seldom changes anyone's mind. Those for a healthy diet ( YOU know what healthy is ) find the points 'for' and those against the same.

    We, as vegan/vegetarian KNOW the benefits because here we are. In many cases this way of life saved our 'life'. It did mine. What better motivation. And those that 'tired' and failed did just that -- they 'tried'. Try to read what I'm writing. Okay, keep trying. There! You did it! Now, don't you feel great!? You either do or you don't do something. Remove try and can't from the english language and watch the difference it makes in society.

    Oh, boy. What a can of worms that statement just opened.

    The point here is that you can't fix stupid.

    Hey, I say it as I see it. I also say "Let them eat cake!" ( Look up the meaning if you don't know the origin. )


    This is what happened to me...................it honestly took me years to tweak my diet to the point of my thriving~ having failed on various vegan regimes. Along the way though I had to make an internal shift with my mind and after I did that it all fell into place. I then stopped searching for the *perfect* diet. I no longer read every latest book that comes out on nutrition, don't read diet blogs and so on. I just prepare fresh whole organic food, have an attitude of gratitude, get fresh air and exercise (outside) daily and enjoy. It's worked for my mom who has been 100% plant since she was born and she's 86...........and no typical 86 year old.

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    .....The point here is that you can't fix stupid.....
    .....unless it's forced to look death in the face, perhaps. By no means meant as an insult, but isn't the fact that your dietary ignorance led to arriving at that ultimate crossroads, and consequently a life-saving change of direction, testament to the fact that it can be fixed? Which, if so, would be encouraging for the rest of us currently still getting it wrong...........right?
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    .....Coconut milk , it's so expensive here but one of the yummiest things to have ......
    Did you try my coconut milk recipe yet? Certainly much cheaper, creamier and tastier than all the bought ones I've tried.

    Thank you Akasha , explains to me how the coconut cream is really made ( had some now and then in deserts, the one I remember from my Thai friends best reception was made with bananas and cashew nuts and the taste was .. divine ) .

    Part 1 : It's exactly what I do with coconuts , great stress releaser too ....

    Part 2 : I don't have blender quite yet - don't ask me why , mum did not like machines in the kitchen . Even grandma have couple of those appliances . Each time I offered to buy a blender it was 'no'. And I know it would have spared mum great deal of effort
    but she simply did not like it .
    She dwelled on doing things by hand thinking it tastes better .

    So , I usually eat the coconut as such . When I was kid I soaked those pieces in sweet water because they tasted much better next day .
    It's one of those pure tastes I like . Bananas are also good , gentle to the digestive system .

    My mum was on diet for most of her life for medical reasons though , one time suffered from chronic diarrhoea and guess what doctor told her ,
    eat bananas . It would have helped if she ate only bananas I suppose .

    One secret recipe I learned in India many years ago , presumed cure for every ailment and a yogi food ( it's written somewhere in scriptures that if you eat this for 2 or 3 years you will be able to fly - no doubts - ) is called 'kanchi' and it's the left over water from boiled rice .


    Basically , you boil rice with double or triple times the amount of water than for normal rice cooking and save it aside and drink it when it cools down .
    It's recommended for every patient who have any sort of ailment difficult to cure , to drink this instead of your normal meal , at least once a day .
    It's a great purifier .

    But then .. you have to feed the rice to someone else .

    Some things work best only in India ..

    Quote When I get lazy to prepare dinner for my crowd, we get vegan Nepalese food. We are lucky we have a wide variety of places here to obtain this food from. Yum.

    Lucky you are yes . We have 'pukka' Indian dhabas in Prague too , what I don't like is they're slightly overpriced .
    Libanese restaurant has great falafel and salads .


    Plenty of Chinese restaurants here .. I like the way they prepare vegetables . I think it's something the other cooks should learn , for taste and to preserve vitamins .

    Most of our traditional recipes - and this goes for India as well though times are changing - behave totally barbarian towards vegetables , they boil or fry things for an hour or two , then add cream and give it another 20 minutes .
    What you get in result is what people supposedly like , the 'cream' . Sauce . With seasonings .
    Then they add steak and a plate of dumplings , potatoes , rice , fries , what else .

    And when they talk they say , I ate healthy today , I had spinach .



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    Well, I didn't watch the debate for the reason I mentioned in my above post but I did shuffle through it and did notice two things in particular:

    1) Without pages of copious notes Nina would be speechless. ( Reminds me of the current U.S. President )

    2) Nina looks as though she could lighten up on some of the saturated fat she's obviously consuming way too much of.

    ERK:
    This is my issue with people who blog (mostly on paleo/primal diets). They have zero experience in the OR. When was the last time they performed a triple bypass?


    Mine was a CABGx4 ( quadruple bypass ) thanks to all that healthy saturated fat.

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